Probably, at first glance I thought no way, but why keep him at this point? We are not vying for a SB this year. This is honestly kind of exciting to see us build a brand new roster, we weren’t winning anything with the old one.
I would like to think the Giants value Ellison seeing they just acquired him last year. I don’t see how you devalue a guy that quickly.This tells me something about our managers....not very wise.
I would like to think the Giants value Ellison seeing they just acquired him last year. I don’t see how you devalue a guy that quickly.This tells me something about our managers....not very wise.
Ellison was a Reese signing two years ago. Not last year. But they already cut a guy they signed. Omameh...
Even more though. Every one of those contracts above that push another contract off you have to subtract the contracts coming off the books too.
Sure -- but then because of how top heavy the Giants roster is with salary, a number of these draft picks might cost more toward the cap than the incumbent.
Bottom line the Giants will need 11M+ (correcting for that errant 3rd round pick and accounting for top 51) -- whether that room comes from existing space or cutting other players.
If the Giants are going to add much more this offseason there will need to be corresponding moves to make room.
He's on a rookie contract. He plays a position that we need help and he has plenty of potential. Not EVERYTHING Reese did was a mistake. Reese at least has two Super Bowl rings as the GM and Gettleman will retire with none in the sale role.
Jenkins - Current Cap hit $14.75M; Cut Cap Savings $7.75M
Ellison - Current Cap hit $5.75M; Cut Cap Savings $3.25M
Those 2 alone is almost enough to sign the rookie class. It is also likely that we won't be making all 12 picks. Some picks will be used to trade up to target specific players.
There is also the probability that Shep is traded. Wouldn't be surprised if Engram finds a ticket out of town.
Then we can always restructure contracts. Zeitler is an obvious candidate, but we could also restructure Nate Solder's deal. I would prefer that we not touch Nate's so that we can get out from his contract sooner than later. And the obvious elephant in the room is Eli's contract. It would be an easy one to gain a chunk of cap room by tacking on a year or 2 with an extension.
Round 1, Pick #6 $4,634,581
Round 1, Pick #17 $2,394,232
Round 2, Pick #37 $1,382,122
Round 3, Pick #70 $762,070
Round 3, Pick #95 $702,609
Round 4, Pick #108 $686,254
Round 4, Pick #132 $655,076
Round 5, Pick #142 $580,080
Round 5, Pick #143 $578,407
Round 5, Pick #171 $553,276
Round 6, Pick #180 $541,127
Round 7, Pick #232 $517,917
Round 7, Pick #245 $513,750
Projected Draft Pool: $14,501,501
And probably $10-11M+ overall for the draft...
Round 1, Pick #6 $4,634,581
Round 1, Pick #17 $2,394,232
Round 2, Pick #37 $1,382,122
Round 3, Pick #70 $762,070
Round 3, Pick #95 $702,609
Round 4, Pick #108 $686,254
Round 4, Pick #132 $655,076
Round 5, Pick #142 $580,080
Round 5, Pick #143 $578,407
Round 5, Pick #171 $553,276
Round 6, Pick #180 $541,127
Round 7, Pick #232 $517,917
Round 7, Pick #245 $513,750
Projected Draft Pool: $14,501,501
But those later picks probably won't count against tye cap because of the top 51 rule.
That's a good target -- I also suspect Ogletree's contract was redone to spread his roster bonus into a signing bonus.
Probably, at first glance I thought no way, but why keep him at this point? We are not vying for a SB this year. This is honestly kind of exciting to see us build a brand new roster, we weren’t winning anything with the old one.
Makes sense to do that and then make corner a priority in the draft.
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According to Spotrac the Giants slot rookie pool needs to be:
Round 1, Pick #6 $4,634,581
Round 1, Pick #17 $2,394,232
Round 2, Pick #37 $1,382,122
Round 3, Pick #70 $762,070
Round 3, Pick #95 $702,609
Round 4, Pick #108 $686,254
Round 4, Pick #132 $655,076
Round 5, Pick #142 $580,080
Round 5, Pick #143 $578,407
Round 5, Pick #171 $553,276
Round 6, Pick #180 $541,127
Round 7, Pick #232 $517,917
Round 7, Pick #245 $513,750
Projected Draft Pool: $14,501,501
But those later picks probably won't count against tye cap because of the top 51 rule.
Yeah as of now pick 171 and down won't get into the top 51, so the cap implications are about 2M less.
its an edumacated opinion
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its an edumacated opinion
by the way - the Colts are looking to trade for a corner
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Yeah I immediately saw I f’ed that up after I submitted my post.
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According to Spotrac the Giants slot rookie pool needs to be:
Round 1, Pick #6 $4,634,581
Round 1, Pick #17 $2,394,232
Round 2, Pick #37 $1,382,122
Round 3, Pick #70 $762,070
Round 3, Pick #95 $702,609
Round 4, Pick #108 $686,254
Round 4, Pick #132 $655,076
Round 5, Pick #142 $580,080
Round 5, Pick #143 $578,407
Round 5, Pick #171 $553,276
Round 6, Pick #180 $541,127
Round 7, Pick #232 $517,917
Round 7, Pick #245 $513,750
Projected Draft Pool: $14,501,501
But those later picks probably won't count against tye cap because of the top 51 rule.
Yeah as of now pick 171 and down won't get into the top 51, so the cap implications are about 2M less.
Even more though. Every one of those contracts above that push another contract off you have to subtract the contracts coming off the books too.
unlikely -- they just re-signed him
jtgiants implied that there is likely to be more trades -- Shep, Engram and Jackrabbit remain the likely candidates
Round 1, Pick #6 $4,634,581
Round 1, Pick #17 $2,394,232
Round 2, Pick #37 $1,382,122
Round 3, Pick #70 $762,070
Round 3, Pick #95 $702,609
Round 4, Pick #108 $686,254
Round 4, Pick #132 $655,076
Round 5, Pick #142 $580,080
Round 5, Pick #143 $578,407
Round 5, Pick #171 $553,276
Round 6, Pick #180 $541,127
Round 7, Pick #232 $517,917
Round 7, Pick #245 $513,750
Projected Draft Pool: $14,501,501
Whoa....when did we get that extra 3rd round pick...at 70 no less
They are definitely going to do that to free up some space just like they did with Ogletree last season.
I would like to think the Giants value Ellison seeing they just acquired him last year. I don’t see how you devalue a guy that quickly.This tells me something about our managers....not very wise.
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I would like to think the Giants value Ellison seeing they just acquired him last year. I don’t see how you devalue a guy that quickly.This tells me something about our managers....not very wise.
Ellison was a Reese signing two years ago. Not last year. But they already cut a guy they signed. Omameh...
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It looks like Rhett Ellison is the best to cut.
unlikely -- they just re-signed him
jtgiants implied that there is likely to be more trades -- Shep, Engram and Jackrabbit remain the likely candidates
If you mean March 2017 is when they just resigned him,that is two years ago. At least that is what OTC says.
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Definitely looking forward to getting rid of our last good back line defensive player.
I would say the $34 million in DEAD MONEY is the bigger issue.
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It looks like Rhett Ellison is the best to cut.
unlikely -- they just re-signed him
jtgiants implied that there is likely to be more trades -- Shep, Engram and Jackrabbit remain the likely candidates
If you mean March 2017 is when they just resigned him,that is two years ago. At least that is what OTC says. Rhett Ellison contract - ( New Window )
my bad -- senility -- Penny was the one they re-signed not Ellison
Sure -- but then because of how top heavy the Giants roster is with salary, a number of these draft picks might cost more toward the cap than the incumbent.
Bottom line the Giants will need 11M+ (correcting for that errant 3rd round pick and accounting for top 51) -- whether that room comes from existing space or cutting other players.
If the Giants are going to add much more this offseason there will need to be corresponding moves to make room.
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Is that an opinion or fact?
its an edumacated opinion
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killing us...
I would say the $34 million in DEAD MONEY is the bigger issue.
All the more reason we needed Eli’s cap space...
That’s not how it goes during these times..No concern at all
That makes sense, Plato.
Ellison - Current Cap hit $5.75M; Cut Cap Savings $3.25M
Those 2 alone is almost enough to sign the rookie class. It is also likely that we won't be making all 12 picks. Some picks will be used to trade up to target specific players.
There is also the probability that Shep is traded. Wouldn't be surprised if Engram finds a ticket out of town.
Then we can always restructure contracts. Zeitler is an obvious candidate, but we could also restructure Nate Solder's deal. I would prefer that we not touch Nate's so that we can get out from his contract sooner than later. And the obvious elephant in the room is Eli's contract. It would be an easy one to gain a chunk of cap room by tacking on a year or 2 with an extension.