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EJJ : 3/17/2019 11:53 pm
Understandably the majority of BBI are righting off the 2019 season.
IMHO Mark my words barring catastrophic injuries The NY Giants will contend for a play off birth!
This team will be made up of high character team first men.
Old school NY Giants football. Run first control the game. Hard hitting, aggressive blitzing Defense!
Barkley is a STUD! the line will be much improved with All Pro caliber RG Zeitler. LT Solder is in his second year on the team and should improve as well as LG Hernandez.. I expect either a free agent up grade at RT or an low round draft pick and the Center position should be improved with Halipino back.
Pound the rock let Eli be a game manager. Say what you want but Eli is a winner and knows this is it you don't think he will be ready?
Shermur and Shula will run a Ball control offence, beat the other team up and keep their O off the field.
We are going to draft into the strength of the draft Defense! This is the year to get a young , aggressive, fast D and DG is loading up on picks. Betcher will have the players to fit his scheme. Already DG brought in free agents who played well for him as well as the Safety Peppers in the OBJ trade who is just as good and defiantly better in pass coverage than Collins.
Lastly the schedule is much more favorable this year.
I know I know I'm a homer but I really feel this team is gonna fight for four quarters and with the addition of several blue chip draft picks they will be much improved.


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Hampton27 : 3/18/2019 12:34 am : link
Music to my ears! What can I say, I'm an optimist!
Peppers and Halipino  
Bill in UT : 3/18/2019 1:00 am : link
should spice things up for sure
if this is the plan then we must get Wilkins from Clemson  
markky : 3/18/2019 1:13 am : link
he is a known high character guy who would be good value at 6.

I am also irrationally optimistic and believe we can compete next year. i think the OL takes another jump forward and you'll see scores similar to the back half of last year from our O.

Mark me down as an optimist  
EB222 : 3/18/2019 4:52 am : link
It doesn't cost anything, and I smile more. Also an insomniac.
RE: Peppers and Halipino  
Ira : 3/18/2019 5:27 am : link
In comment 14344259 Bill in UT said:
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should spice things up for sure


Good one!
Every season is a fresh start  
Les in TO : 3/18/2019 5:28 am : link
However Giants fans have every reason to be negative after going 8-24 the last two years, under two different coach/GM combos. This isnít 1990 and we donít have the veteran leadership or a defense to carry the team to a championship
A couple of things in their favor  
George from PA : 3/18/2019 5:31 am : link
Schedule will be easier.

Cowboys without a 1st rd pick. Lawrence on tag

Washington will have new QB

No more foles magic with the Eagles.

Holding judgement until we see what draft brings, but potentially a much more athletic defense, OL solidified, and far less drama

Over / Under on the week Giants are unofficially  
Jimmy Googs : 3/18/2019 5:42 am : link
but realistically eliminated from playoff contention?

I say Week 10


RE: Peppers and Halipino  
Nomad Crow on the Madison : 3/18/2019 5:45 am : link
In comment 14344259 Bill in UT said:
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should spice things up for sure


Best comment of the week!
RE: A couple of things in their favor  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/18/2019 6:15 am : link
In comment 14344286 George from PA said:
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Schedule will be easier.

Cowboys without a 1st rd pick. Lawrence on tag

Washington will have new QB

No more foles magic with the Eagles.

Holding judgement until we see what draft brings, but potentially a much more athletic defense, OL solidified, and far less drama


What "drama" impacted their season last year?

They've gotten worse, not better.
It woukid be cool  
Paulie Walnuts : 3/18/2019 6:38 am : link
If we weren't out of playoff contention before Halloween, for a change
Yeah!!!  
Mike from Ohio : 3/18/2019 6:57 am : link
No dissenting opinions around here! Fall in line and letís all think alike! Thatís what makes a message board really fun. Everybody believing and saying the same things!

Great post!
It s the NFL, they might contend for playoffs  
joeinpa : 3/18/2019 6:59 am : link
But for me the point is to be a contender for a championship; that s not happening this season.

I will be much more excited about your proposal if they draft a quarterback even if he sits behind Eli for a season.

But the prospect of being on the fringes of the play offs with the quarterback question still unaddressed comes under the category of ďtreading waterĒ for me.

Also, ďEli is a winnerĒ....... he certainly has not been lately, and in 15 seasons they have won play off games in only two.

Granted in those 2 seasons he was the ultimate winner, but that s living in the past.

This team has had many deficiencies over the past several years, and Eli has done nothing to raise the level of play around him.
But then what happens to the 2020 QB plan...  
GFAN52 : 3/18/2019 7:02 am : link
if the Giants by some stroke of luck make the playoffs.
If Eli has time and the defense is middle of the road  
bradshaw44 : 3/18/2019 7:13 am : link
We will contend for the wild card. The OL is the life blood of the offense.
Having SB as a safety blanket and time to throw 4/7 yard passes on third down the Giants should be good enough to at least annoy teams.

The defense needs pass rushers. If we donít have those I donít care what our secondary looks like, we will suck and fold in the 4th qtr per usual. Pass rushers are everything. A good pass rush makes a mediocre secondary look good. I would be happy if three of the first four picks were all pass rush specialists. And one OL with the fourth pick. Just build the crap out of our lines.

Thatís how we compete with or with out Odell.

They will be competing  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 3/18/2019 7:18 am : link
for a top 10 pick.

I'm sorry. They have one of the worst overall rosters in football.
RE: But then what happens to the 2020 QB plan...  
joeinpa : 3/18/2019 7:40 am : link
In comment 14344322 GFAN52 said:
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if the Giants by some stroke of luck make the playoffs.


An inconvient truth for those that just havenít been ready to move on from Eli for last season and this.
RE: They will be competing  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 3/18/2019 7:48 am : link
In comment 14344335 Tim in Eternal Blue said:
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for a top 10 pick.

I'm sorry. They have one of the worst overall rosters in football.


Well they don't have a roster yet. There will be a large number of new players on the team.

They very well might be very bad this year, but the thing is that fans, and sports media are God awful at evaluating these things, and base there opinions mostly on what happened last year, and how many "names" a team has. Yet both seem very unaware of that fact and are surprised every damn year when teams that are "supposed" to be good are bad and vice versa.

Then they walk around saying shit like "gee this is a really weird year, who would have thunk it?" Every. Year.

BBI in particular is either black or white on the Giants, most years the general consensus is either that they are SuperBowl contenders or that they will be picking top 5. Everything is always blown out of proportion.

The only certainty is that everyone will be completely wrong about at least a third of the NFL.

That said, I agree with the op that the hyperbolic eeyore bullshit in every thread is getting tiresome.
RE: They will be competing  
micky : 3/18/2019 7:54 am : link
In comment 14344335 Tim in Eternal Blue said:
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for a top 10 pick.

I'm sorry. They have one of the worst overall rosters in football.


Unfortunately true

But off season brings optimism and dreams of super bowl for every teams
RE: RE: They will be competing  
.McL. : 3/18/2019 8:32 am : link
In comment 14344353 LakeGeorgeGiant said:
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In comment 14344335 Tim in Eternal Blue said:


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for a top 10 pick.

I'm sorry. They have one of the worst overall rosters in football.



Well they don't have a roster yet. There will be a large number of new players on the team.

They very well might be very bad this year, but the thing is that fans, and sports media are God awful at evaluating these things, and base there opinions mostly on what happened last year, and how many "names" a team has. Yet both seem very unaware of that fact and are surprised every damn year when teams that are "supposed" to be good are bad and vice versa.

Then they walk around saying shit like "gee this is a really weird year, who would have thunk it?" Every. Year.

BBI in particular is either black or white on the Giants, most years the general consensus is either that they are SuperBowl contenders or that they will be picking top 5. Everything is always blown out of proportion.

The only certainty is that everyone will be completely wrong about at least a third of the NFL.

That said, I agree with the op that the hyperbolic eeyore bullshit in every thread is getting tiresome.

our last 4 drafts positions...

2019: 6
2018: 2
2017: 23
2016: 9

Just saying... Carry on...
They're going to give "birth" in  
rebel yell : 3/18/2019 8:34 am : link
the playoffs? Cool. I wonder if it'll be a tar baby?
RE: RE: But then what happens to the 2020 QB plan...  
chuckydee9 : 3/18/2019 8:35 am : link
In comment 14344346 joeinpa said:
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In comment 14344322 GFAN52 said:


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if the Giants by some stroke of luck make the playoffs.



An inconvient truth for those that just havenít been ready to move on from Eli for last season and this.


4 year extension to ensure that Eli will be the highest paid QB in the league..
RE: RE: RE: They will be competing  
.McL. : 3/18/2019 8:57 am : link
In comment 14344388 .McL. said:
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our last 4 drafts positions...

2019: 6
2018: 2
2017: 23
2016: 9

Just saying... Carry on...


Whoops, ny bad... Correction..
Last 5 drafts positions:


2019: 6
2018: 2
2017: 23
2016: 10
2015: 9

I will also point out that the poster that started this chain of replies said competing for a top 10 draft choice, not a top 5...
Of all the years to complain about "negativity", it's the year  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/18/2019 9:03 am : link
they've sold off their established 26 year old studs for draft picks and tore the defense to shreds?

Sure, why not be optimistic?
RE: Over / Under on the week Giants are unofficially  
sb from NYT Forum : 3/18/2019 9:28 am : link
In comment 14344292 Jimmy Googs said:
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but realistically eliminated from playoff contention?

I say Week 10



Hard to say without knowing the schedule. Regardless, I can see the Giants opening 0-3.
RE: Of all the years to complain about  
ajr2456 : 3/18/2019 9:28 am : link
In comment 14344450 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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they've sold off their established 26 year old studs for draft picks and tore the defense to shreds?

Sure, why not be optimistic?


Exactly. Weíve gotten rid of two of our better players, one who will probably end up in the HOF. Still are without a QB of the future, and has MCL pointed out been picking top 10 a lot recently out side of one year.

Complaining about people being negative is crazy, because this team hasnít given anything to be optimistic about yet.
Not only will the Giants finish under .500 yet again, but  
GeofromNJ : 3/18/2019 9:48 am : link
'playoff' is one word and the other word you're looking for is 'berth', not 'birth'.

"IMHO Mark my words barring catastrophic injuries The NY Giants will contend for a play off birth!"

I would also add that the path  
.McL. : 3/18/2019 9:56 am : link
to self improvement is the recognition and acceptance of what you are, and what you are not.

Optimism for the sake of optimism, and pessimism for the sake of pessimism serves no purpose.

There are some posters on this site who are always optimists, others who are always pessimists. However, I think the majority try to be realists... If you are seeing a lot more pessimism than optimism, there is probably good reason.
And honestly...  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 3/18/2019 10:03 am : link
I'm not trying to be negative when I say we will be competing for a top 10 spot.

I understand the roster isn't complete yet... But (outside) Zeitler... You can argue that the Giants haven't upgraded a single position from last year.

The losses of OBJ, Collins, Snacks,JPP, Vernon. I don't think we've upgraded those positions (yet)... Peppers is still wait and see.

So... We have some rebuilding to do. Hopefully in 2020-21 this team is ready to be fully competitive.
Nobody here is righting off the season...  
Tesla : 3/18/2019 10:06 am : link
The more astute posters are, however, writing the season off.
Also, if Eli is a winner...  
Tesla : 3/18/2019 10:08 am : link
why does he lose so much?
I don't give a shit about positivity or negativity  
jcn56 : 3/18/2019 10:12 am : link
I care about the team competing. Not even winning - which would be ideal - but at least looking like they might have a chance at maybe being in the playoffs at some point past October.

That hasn't been the case for quite some time. This team starts the season having parted with LC and OBJ, two of their more talented, young players. In the meanwhile, we get 'well, they didn't win with those guys' - as if there was some solid foundation of winning consistently just before they got here. The team has been boned since 2012.
RE: And honestly...  
.McL. : 3/18/2019 10:15 am : link
In comment 14344588 Tim in Eternal Blue said:
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I'm not trying to be negative when I say we will be competing for a top 10 spot.

I understand the roster isn't complete yet... But (outside) Zeitler... You can argue that the Giants haven't upgraded a single position from last year.

The losses of OBJ, Collins, Snacks,JPP, Vernon. I don't think we've upgraded those positions (yet)... Peppers is still wait and see.

So... We have some rebuilding to do. Hopefully in 2020-21 this team is ready to be fully competitive.

Tim, I hear ya...
Although JPP was traded before the start of last season. And don't forget Apple being traded as well.

The Giants started last year 1-7. How many positions are arguably better right now. Yes we have 12 rookies coming. But that also brings lots of rookie growing pains.

And that is OK for a rebuilding team. It hopefully means 2020 things start getting much better. But its OK to still suck in 2019.
RE: Over / Under on the week Giants are unofficially  
micky : 3/18/2019 12:34 pm : link
In comment 14344292 Jimmy Googs said:
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but realistically eliminated from playoff contention?

I say Week 10



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Best thread starter of the day  
5BowlsSoon : 3/18/2019 1:32 pm : link
A breath of fresh air.
I hope all the malcontents stay away and let us have our own positive thread. They have enough negative whining threads, donít you think?
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