the previous approach was not working, inclusive of many that believed we could patch our way to postseason with Eli. No we are at foreclosure discussion and this was necessary. Fortunately we have some pieces (Barkley, etc) but need more to actually field a competitive team.
Tom Rock
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27s28 seconds ago
Gettleman: "You need a guy in the back end who can get everybody lined up and make all the adjustment calls. If you don;t have that, you can't function." Says Bethea is "an adult" and is "still effective."
This is not a good take and so many people parrot it. Is an early 3rd basically a 2nd rounder?
Never understood why it's always the late picks that are "basically" the next round, but the early rounders from the next round are never basically the earlier round.
all depends on the picture you want to paint.
A 3rd round pick is a 3rd round pick. Period. Yes, some are later than others, but none a "basically" 4th round picks.
It's gotta be middle of the round for a X round pick to really be an X round pick, come on now!
So we really dealt OBJ and a 5th for Peppers, 1st, 3rd (but really a 4th) and a 4th (but really a 3rd)!
He wants guys who want to play football first and tweet second or third or not at all. Every single player we have traded away or cut has been a me first type
Last year he adds Barkley, Hernandez, Hill, and Carter, 3 sure fire starting caliber players at RB, LG and DE and a big fast OLB who should be starting in year 2. He has 12 picks this year and he's going to keep building and I can't wait to watch it unfold.
What's the argument here that Beckham, Collins, or Harrison didn't play football first?
We sure do jump though the 'grit and toughness!!' hoops to blame individuals for management failure.
Tom Rock
Verified account @TomRock_Newsday
1m1 minute ago
Gettleman: "You're not gonna be able to give a Roman Coliseum thumbs up or thumbs down on this trade for a little bit." Have to see who the draft picks are and how Jabrill Peppers develops.
I can't disagree with a lot of what Joey said. I'm looking forward to this Giants' season more than I have any other in 6 or 7 years. These Giants teams of the last few years have been my least favorite as a fan...just hugely unlikable.
That said, if you're going to keep Eli at $23M this year, you'd better win. 6-10 and Gettleman and Shurmur should both be shown the door.
I do think the odds of winning went up this past week. Cut out a lot of cancer.
Tom Rock
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35s36 seconds ago
Gettleman on the pressure on Peppers: "Jabrill is a hell of a kid... He's coming here to play football. He'll have Antoine helping him out... He doesn't feel that pressure. He's just really excited about being a Giant."
Paul Schwartz
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1m1 minute ago
Gettleman says Giants got two first round picks and a third-round pick for Beckham.
LOL the 3rd rounder is basically a 4th rounder. Cool Dave.
This is not a good take and so many people parrot it. Is an early 3rd basically a 2nd rounder?
Never understood why it's always the late picks that are "basically" the next round, but the early rounders from the next round are never basically the earlier round.
all depends on the picture you want to paint.
A 3rd round pick is a 3rd round pick. Period. Yes, some are later than others, but none a "basically" 4th round picks.
It's the 95th pick and there are a few conditional draft picks after ours. Is there a huge difference between this being a 3rd rounder and 4th round draft pick. NO.
but is there a difference? YES.
Would you rather have pick 95 or pick 103 (which is the first pick in the 4th round). Or worse, pick 119 which is Cleveland's 4th round pick.
that's 8 picks difference, and if you look at a normal round that's a 25% difference in the round. In the 3rd round, that can be a very big difference. 95 to 108 is 32 points on the draft value chart. Just because maybe your mind doesn't understand the difference is no reason to continually repeat this tired silly opinion.
Simple fact, it's a 3rd round pick even if you want to for some reason make it seem worse.
Behind DG, I was a fan of the hire, I like what he's done and I like what he's doing. He's getting rid of the rot and making the culture what he thinks it should be. This isn't an overnight fix, we had a locker room full of big mouths and dopes and guys who put themselves over the team on multiple occasions. He wants guys who want to play football first and tweet second or third or not at all. Every single player we have traded away or cut has been a me first type, look at me type and that doesn't get it done in football unless the talent is overwhelming and it isn't.
Reese and Ross gutted the OL, ignored RBs and just marveled at the basketball on grass idea and we had a soft flimsy roster because of it. This is and always will be a physical game for big men and we didn't have enough size, grit or toughness. Now the diva is gone, the lawyer is gone, the "humble" my ass 21 is gone and pouty moody Vernon is gone. In their place is a tenacious WR who is physical in all aspects, a RG in the top 5 of the league who plays with an edge and a young promising S who looks to be versatile, talented and smart. Throw in Markus Golden, who has had some rough years but clearly has talent and was beloved in AZ and you see what he's doing.
Last year he adds Barkley, Hernandez, Hill, and Carter, 3 sure fire starting caliber players at RB, LG and DE and a big fast OLB who should be starting in year 2. He has 12 picks this year and he's going to keep building and I can't wait to watch it unfold.
I disagree. Last year he made a bunch of short sighted moves and we're going to be paying for it in the coming years. The realization that it wasn't a good team only dawned on them halfway through the season at which point they started the rebuild 5 months late.
I think the reason that the Giants have failed is because of a lack of talent. The culture argument is a red herring to me and is basically being used as justification to purge the roster. I would argue that we've done that to a detriment of the team with cuts that had greater ability than the people that were brought in because of their affiliation with the previous regime.
But that's an endless debate on this site, and I'm sure it's been stated more eloquently than me.
RE: I do enjoy the certainty with which people state that
It's the 95th pick and there are a few conditional draft picks after ours. Is there a huge difference between this being a 3rd rounder and 4th round draft pick. NO.
Yeah, those few picks are really nothing - oh but what happened when Jonathan Ogden was picked just ahead of the Giants and then the Giants got William Joseph? Extreme case yes. Point is, that 95 is still better than 96 or any other pick afterward.
At that point the talent differences are blurred, but it is still a 3rd round pick and maybe adding a 5th gets them to mid third round...
Tom Rock
Verified account @TomRock_Newsday
36s37 seconds ago
Gettleman: "I said it in Indianapoli sand I'll say it again: Once we got that o-line fixed (in second half of the year) look what we did on offense. This narrative that Eli is overpaid and can't play is a crock. I'm telling you!"
Behind DG, I was a fan of the hire, I like what he's done and I like what he's doing. He's getting rid of the rot and making the culture what he thinks it should be. This isn't an overnight fix, we had a locker room full of big mouths and dopes and guys who put themselves over the team on multiple occasions. He wants guys who want to play football first and tweet second or third or not at all. Every single player we have traded away or cut has been a me first type, look at me type and that doesn't get it done in football unless the talent is overwhelming and it isn't.
Reese and Ross gutted the OL, ignored RBs and just marveled at the basketball on grass idea and we had a soft flimsy roster because of it. This is and always will be a physical game for big men and we didn't have enough size, grit or toughness. Now the diva is gone, the lawyer is gone, the "humble" my ass 21 is gone and pouty moody Vernon is gone. In their place is a tenacious WR who is physical in all aspects, a RG in the top 5 of the league who plays with an edge and a young promising S who looks to be versatile, talented and smart. Throw in Markus Golden, who has had some rough years but clearly has talent and was beloved in AZ and you see what he's doing.
Last year he adds Barkley, Hernandez, Hill, and Carter, 3 sure fire starting caliber players at RB, LG and DE and a big fast OLB who should be starting in year 2. He has 12 picks this year and he's going to keep building and I can't wait to watch it unfold.
Agree 100%
+2. Me too. I don't get the bashing, he's been here for 1 year. He had a really good draft and we improved. IMO for some its all, and only, about not picking a QB last year.
Behind DG, I was a fan of the hire, I like what he's done and I like what he's doing. He's getting rid of the rot and making the culture what he thinks it should be. This isn't an overnight fix, we had a locker room full of big mouths and dopes and guys who put themselves over the team on multiple occasions. He wants guys who want to play football first and tweet second or third or not at all. Every single player we have traded away or cut has been a me first type, look at me type and that doesn't get it done in football unless the talent is overwhelming and it isn't.
Reese and Ross gutted the OL, ignored RBs and just marveled at the basketball on grass idea and we had a soft flimsy roster because of it. This is and always will be a physical game for big men and we didn't have enough size, grit or toughness. Now the diva is gone, the lawyer is gone, the "humble" my ass 21 is gone and pouty moody Vernon is gone. In their place is a tenacious WR who is physical in all aspects, a RG in the top 5 of the league who plays with an edge and a young promising S who looks to be versatile, talented and smart. Throw in Markus Golden, who has had some rough years but clearly has talent and was beloved in AZ and you see what he's doing.
Last year he adds Barkley, Hernandez, Hill, and Carter, 3 sure fire starting caliber players at RB, LG and DE and a big fast OLB who should be starting in year 2. He has 12 picks this year and he's going to keep building and I can't wait to watch it unfold.
Kimberly Jones
Verified account @KimJonesSports
29s29 seconds ago
Gettleman: On offense, you gotta have a QB run out there....this narrative that Eli is overpaid & cant play is a crock. It really is. Defends way Eli finishes the season. There really wasnt a decision to make. #nyg
its a team sport, highlight reel plays don't always translate into wins, and the object of the game is still to get the wins, not necessarily to get on sportscenter
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Gettleman: On offense, you gotta have a QB run out there....this narrative that Eli is overpaid & cant play is a crock. It really is. Defends way Eli finishes the season. There really wasnt a decision to make. #nyg
Peppers is 2 years younger, less injury prone, had a good season and was much improved from his rookie year. He's 23 years old and under control for a few seasons. Even if they are the same exact player (which they aren't), why the hell would you not want to have Peppers replace Collins for roughly 12M less at that position? My guess is they think he can be better than Collins and be the swiss army knife that Collins couldn't be because of coverage issues. Peppers has played corner as well.
Tom Rock
Verified account @TomRock_Newsday
36s37 seconds ago
Gettleman: "I said it in Indianapoli sand I'll say it again: Once we got that o-line fixed (in second half of the year) look what we did on offense. This narrative that Eli is overpaid and can't play is a crock. I'm telling you!"
Kimberly Jones
Verified account @KimJonesSports
29s29 seconds ago
Gettleman: On offense, you gotta have a QB run out there....this narrative that Eli is overpaid & cant play is a crock. It really is. Defends way Eli finishes the season. There really wasnt a decision to make. #nyg
Glad to see we are going the Dan Marino route with this.
Hopefully, we don't turn into the Miami Dolphins whenever Eli hangs them up.
RE: I do enjoy the certainty with which people state that
Jabrill fucking Peppers, who has done virtually nothing in two years in the league, is such an upgrade on Collins.
He didn't play deep safety much at Michigan and had to learn the position, which he has done. And he's faster and cheaper than Collins. Unlike Collins he can actually cover TEs.
They do get responsive. We saw that in full affect during Eli benching last year. A year later, they are following up a poor season with DG taking heat over Collins and Odell. Wonder how many letters have reached Mara in the past couple weeks.
This number one thing this team needs to do to start restoring confidence is land their franchise QB. Its the biggest question for the franchise. A year ago they elected to pass in favor of their hand of god/ generational running back and I think many are saying that's all fine, but we still need an answer for the most important position --here we are with two first round picks including one in the top 10, are we going to use them in some way, or punt on the QB again?
I said when DG was hired, the huge decisions were coach, the #2 pick, Odell contract, and Eli transition. We are still watching it all unfold, and the jury is very much out.
If the braintrust says none of these guys that are available are worth it (but perhaps the 2020 guys are), then you plow through full steam ahead and let the fans gripe. Like Parcells said, if you listen to the fans all the time, you'll join them.
Jabrill fucking Peppers, who has done virtually nothing in two years in the league, is such an upgrade on Collins.
It may simply be a wash, and that's fine considering the cost savings. We also have a better duo at Safety now than prior to letting Collins walk, so there's that too. Peppers also can help as a returner.
So nothing is certain, but if you are able to be even the least bit objective hear you can see that there's a lot to look forward to going this route, and this is coming from someone who really liked Collins.
its a team sport, highlight reel plays don't always translate into wins, and the object of the game is still to get the wins, not necessarily to get on sportscenter
Agreed, it's not just about highlights. But it's not like people care that much to look into the non-highlights, as there are still people trying to look for ways to accuse Beckham of questionable effort.
Plenty of tape out there of him run blocking his ass off. It's just easier to flap lips about diva nonsense.
And anyone suggesting Collins wasn't playing hard or wasn't tough is a fool. He played football through a torn labrum last year.
They do get responsive. We saw that in full affect during Eli benching last year. A year later, they are following up a poor season with DG taking heat over Collins and Odell. Wonder how many letters have reached Mara in the past couple weeks.
This number one thing this team needs to do to start restoring confidence is land their franchise QB. Its the biggest question for the franchise. A year ago they elected to pass in favor of their hand of god/ generational running back and I think many are saying that's all fine, but we still need an answer for the most important position --here we are with two first round picks including one in the top 10, are we going to use them in some way, or punt on the QB again?
I said when DG was hired, the huge decisions were coach, the #2 pick, Odell contract, and Eli transition. We are still watching it all unfold, and the jury is very much out.
Thats just it, the number one thing this franchise needs to do is WIN. The qb narrative is out of control. Youre trying to tell me if the giants go 9-7 in 2019 with eli throwing for 4300 yards, 25 tds and 12 ints that the fan base and stupid fucking media wont calm down a bit?
RE: RE: I do enjoy the certainty with which people state that
#Giants Gettleman - "it's not my responsibility to tell you guys "media" what i'm doing"..."trust me. we got a plan. over time, you've got to be patient."
Agreed - but his earlier comment about "having holes" and collecting draft capital does highlight that they are going to plug holes via the draft/. Maybe the first few picks are best player availble, but after that they will be filling needs.
its a team sport, highlight reel plays don't always translate into wins, and the object of the game is still to get the wins, not necessarily to get on sportscenter
Agreed, it's not just about highlights. But it's not like people care that much to look into the non-highlights, as there are still people trying to look for ways to accuse Beckham of questionable effort.
Plenty of tape out there of him run blocking his ass off. It's just easier to flap lips about diva nonsense.
And anyone suggesting Collins wasn't playing hard or wasn't tough is a fool. He played football through a torn labrum last year.
People arent questioning eithers effort (well maybe OBJ supposedly sitting out the last 4games healthy) but the point is simple with Beckham - his act wore thin. The staff and ownership had enough with him. They felt he was negative on the team. If thats the case, then its a wrap. He is a diva WR. Much like Owens, Moss, Ocho Cinco, Dez, etc.... sometimes their act was thin.
I think the majority of posters loved Collins all out play. I did. But thefact was he was going to get paid 14 million a year and was one dimensional with injury problems. Sometimes you have to know when to say no.
Ryan Dunleavy
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51s51 seconds ago
Gettleman says he had talks about restructuring Manning salary caps number but they didn't. "We just keep moving." #giants
New York Giants
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1m1 minute ago
"The rumor that we were offered a first-round draft pick for Landon Collins isn't even remotely accurate." - GM Dave Gettleman
If anyone offered a 1 or a 2 for Collins it would have been a done deal last season..
Tom Rock
Verified account @TomRock_Newsday
27s28 seconds ago
Gettleman: "You need a guy in the back end who can get everybody lined up and make all the adjustment calls. If you don;t have that, you can't function." Says Bethea is "an adult" and is "still effective."
"Age doesn't bother me."
This is not a good take and so many people parrot it. Is an early 3rd basically a 2nd rounder?
Never understood why it's always the late picks that are "basically" the next round, but the early rounders from the next round are never basically the earlier round.
all depends on the picture you want to paint.
A 3rd round pick is a 3rd round pick. Period. Yes, some are later than others, but none a "basically" 4th round picks.
It's gotta be middle of the round for a X round pick to really be an X round pick, come on now!
So we really dealt OBJ and a 5th for Peppers, 1st, 3rd (but really a 4th) and a 4th (but really a 3rd)!
Last year he adds Barkley, Hernandez, Hill, and Carter, 3 sure fire starting caliber players at RB, LG and DE and a big fast OLB who should be starting in year 2. He has 12 picks this year and he's going to keep building and I can't wait to watch it unfold.
What's the argument here that Beckham, Collins, or Harrison didn't play football first?
We sure do jump though the 'grit and toughness!!' hoops to blame individuals for management failure.
Tom Rock
Verified account @TomRock_Newsday
32s33 seconds ago
Gettleman: "Nobody wants to have that kind of dead money, but it's the long-term vision that we have... Sometimes you have to do those things."
This +1000. I don't understand why anyone is complaining about the dead money for this year. It means absolutely nothing in the grand scheme.
Tom Rock
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1m1 minute ago
Gettleman: "You're not gonna be able to give a Roman Coliseum thumbs up or thumbs down on this trade for a little bit." Have to see who the draft picks are and how Jabrill Peppers develops.
How can you not love this answer??
Awesome!
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New York Giants
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1m1 minute ago
"The rumor that we were offered a first-round draft pick for Landon Collins isn't even remotely accurate." - GM Dave Gettleman
If anyone offered a 1 or a 2 for Collins it would have been a done deal last season..
Not according to many of the boobs in the national media and BBI.
GiantsWFAN
@giantswfan
53s54 seconds ago
#Giants Gettleman - on Eli and possible extension..... "we discussed it. today is the day when he gets his bonus and we just keep moving"
Let me translate: Absolutely.
These dumb motherf-ckers at Jints Central are just the best...
Agreed. He's always got to add in something snarky and smarmy. Just report the news, f*ckface.
Greatest gif ever.
And no one is surprised to know you feel that way either.
That said, if you're going to keep Eli at $23M this year, you'd better win. 6-10 and Gettleman and Shurmur should both be shown the door.
I do think the odds of winning went up this past week. Cut out a lot of cancer.
Tom Rock
Verified account @TomRock_Newsday
35s36 seconds ago
Gettleman on the pressure on Peppers: "Jabrill is a hell of a kid... He's coming here to play football. He'll have Antoine helping him out... He doesn't feel that pressure. He's just really excited about being a Giant."
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Paul Schwartz
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1m1 minute ago
Gettleman says Giants got two first round picks and a third-round pick for Beckham.
LOL the 3rd rounder is basically a 4th rounder. Cool Dave.
This is not a good take and so many people parrot it. Is an early 3rd basically a 2nd rounder?
Never understood why it's always the late picks that are "basically" the next round, but the early rounders from the next round are never basically the earlier round.
all depends on the picture you want to paint.
A 3rd round pick is a 3rd round pick. Period. Yes, some are later than others, but none a "basically" 4th round picks.
It's the 95th pick and there are a few conditional draft picks after ours. Is there a huge difference between this being a 3rd rounder and 4th round draft pick. NO.
but is there a difference? YES.
Would you rather have pick 95 or pick 103 (which is the first pick in the 4th round). Or worse, pick 119 which is Cleveland's 4th round pick.
that's 8 picks difference, and if you look at a normal round that's a 25% difference in the round. In the 3rd round, that can be a very big difference. 95 to 108 is 32 points on the draft value chart. Just because maybe your mind doesn't understand the difference is no reason to continually repeat this tired silly opinion.
Simple fact, it's a 3rd round pick even if you want to for some reason make it seem worse.
Reese and Ross gutted the OL, ignored RBs and just marveled at the basketball on grass idea and we had a soft flimsy roster because of it. This is and always will be a physical game for big men and we didn't have enough size, grit or toughness. Now the diva is gone, the lawyer is gone, the "humble" my ass 21 is gone and pouty moody Vernon is gone. In their place is a tenacious WR who is physical in all aspects, a RG in the top 5 of the league who plays with an edge and a young promising S who looks to be versatile, talented and smart. Throw in Markus Golden, who has had some rough years but clearly has talent and was beloved in AZ and you see what he's doing.
Last year he adds Barkley, Hernandez, Hill, and Carter, 3 sure fire starting caliber players at RB, LG and DE and a big fast OLB who should be starting in year 2. He has 12 picks this year and he's going to keep building and I can't wait to watch it unfold.
I disagree. Last year he made a bunch of short sighted moves and we're going to be paying for it in the coming years. The realization that it wasn't a good team only dawned on them halfway through the season at which point they started the rebuild 5 months late.
I think the reason that the Giants have failed is because of a lack of talent. The culture argument is a red herring to me and is basically being used as justification to purge the roster. I would argue that we've done that to a detriment of the team with cuts that had greater ability than the people that were brought in because of their affiliation with the previous regime.
But that's an endless debate on this site, and I'm sure it's been stated more eloquently than me.
He cant be any worse. Again outside of 2016.... which is 3 years....
Collins averaged 0 sacks and 1 INT during 2015, 2017, and 2018 - is that the kid of production you want from a safety?
It's the 95th pick and there are a few conditional draft picks after ours. Is there a huge difference between this being a 3rd rounder and 4th round draft pick. NO.
Yeah, those few picks are really nothing - oh but what happened when Jonathan Ogden was picked just ahead of the Giants and then the Giants got William Joseph? Extreme case yes. Point is, that 95 is still better than 96 or any other pick afterward.
At that point the talent differences are blurred, but it is still a 3rd round pick and maybe adding a 5th gets them to mid third round...
Ryan Dunleavy
Verified account @rydunleavy
51s51 seconds ago
Gettleman says he had talks about restructuring Manning salary caps number but they didn't. "We just keep moving." #giants
Translate: John said no f-ckin way are we lowering his number. In fact, let's do a bump...
GiantsWFAN
@giantswfan
7s8 seconds ago
#Giants Gettleman - spent time with peppers when he visited carolina at the time he entered the draft.......always had positive feeling about him
I was the only asshole growing up with a Betamax vcr. Im still damaged to this day.
Tom Rock
Verified account @TomRock_Newsday
36s37 seconds ago
Gettleman: "I said it in Indianapoli sand I'll say it again: Once we got that o-line fixed (in second half of the year) look what we did on offense. This narrative that Eli is overpaid and can't play is a crock. I'm telling you!"
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Behind DG, I was a fan of the hire, I like what he's done and I like what he's doing. He's getting rid of the rot and making the culture what he thinks it should be. This isn't an overnight fix, we had a locker room full of big mouths and dopes and guys who put themselves over the team on multiple occasions. He wants guys who want to play football first and tweet second or third or not at all. Every single player we have traded away or cut has been a me first type, look at me type and that doesn't get it done in football unless the talent is overwhelming and it isn't.
Reese and Ross gutted the OL, ignored RBs and just marveled at the basketball on grass idea and we had a soft flimsy roster because of it. This is and always will be a physical game for big men and we didn't have enough size, grit or toughness. Now the diva is gone, the lawyer is gone, the "humble" my ass 21 is gone and pouty moody Vernon is gone. In their place is a tenacious WR who is physical in all aspects, a RG in the top 5 of the league who plays with an edge and a young promising S who looks to be versatile, talented and smart. Throw in Markus Golden, who has had some rough years but clearly has talent and was beloved in AZ and you see what he's doing.
Last year he adds Barkley, Hernandez, Hill, and Carter, 3 sure fire starting caliber players at RB, LG and DE and a big fast OLB who should be starting in year 2. He has 12 picks this year and he's going to keep building and I can't wait to watch it unfold.
Agree 100%
+2. Me too. I don't get the bashing, he's been here for 1 year. He had a really good draft and we improved. IMO for some its all, and only, about not picking a QB last year.
Reese and Ross gutted the OL, ignored RBs and just marveled at the basketball on grass idea and we had a soft flimsy roster because of it. This is and always will be a physical game for big men and we didn't have enough size, grit or toughness. Now the diva is gone, the lawyer is gone, the "humble" my ass 21 is gone and pouty moody Vernon is gone. In their place is a tenacious WR who is physical in all aspects, a RG in the top 5 of the league who plays with an edge and a young promising S who looks to be versatile, talented and smart. Throw in Markus Golden, who has had some rough years but clearly has talent and was beloved in AZ and you see what he's doing.
Last year he adds Barkley, Hernandez, Hill, and Carter, 3 sure fire starting caliber players at RB, LG and DE and a big fast OLB who should be starting in year 2. He has 12 picks this year and he's going to keep building and I can't wait to watch it unfold.
But what's his plan!?!?!?!?!?!?
Kimberly Jones
Verified account @KimJonesSports
29s29 seconds ago
Gettleman: On offense, you gotta have a QB run out there....this narrative that Eli is overpaid & cant play is a crock. It really is. Defends way Eli finishes the season. There really wasnt a decision to make. #nyg
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Gettleman: On offense, you gotta have a QB run out there....this narrative that Eli is overpaid & cant play is a crock. It really is. Defends way Eli finishes the season. There really wasnt a decision to make. #nyg
Tom Rock
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36s37 seconds ago
Gettleman: "I said it in Indianapoli sand I'll say it again: Once we got that o-line fixed (in second half of the year) look what we did on offense. This narrative that Eli is overpaid and can't play is a crock. I'm telling you!"
And there you have it...no QB drafted this year.
Kimberly Jones
Verified account @KimJonesSports
29s29 seconds ago
Gettleman: On offense, you gotta have a QB run out there....this narrative that Eli is overpaid & cant play is a crock. It really is. Defends way Eli finishes the season. There really wasnt a decision to make. #nyg
Glad to see we are going the Dan Marino route with this.
Hopefully, we don't turn into the Miami Dolphins whenever Eli hangs them up.
He didn't play deep safety much at Michigan and had to learn the position, which he has done. And he's faster and cheaper than Collins. Unlike Collins he can actually cover TEs.
One of the tragedies of modern history was VHS winning that war. The Betamax picture quality was so much better.
This number one thing this team needs to do to start restoring confidence is land their franchise QB. Its the biggest question for the franchise. A year ago they elected to pass in favor of their hand of god/ generational running back and I think many are saying that's all fine, but we still need an answer for the most important position --here we are with two first round picks including one in the top 10, are we going to use them in some way, or punt on the QB again?
I said when DG was hired, the huge decisions were coach, the #2 pick, Odell contract, and Eli transition. We are still watching it all unfold, and the jury is very much out.
If the braintrust says none of these guys that are available are worth it (but perhaps the 2020 guys are), then you plow through full steam ahead and let the fans gripe. Like Parcells said, if you listen to the fans all the time, you'll join them.
Citing the performance of the offense last year just makes him sound really dumb.
It may simply be a wash, and that's fine considering the cost savings. We also have a better duo at Safety now than prior to letting Collins walk, so there's that too. Peppers also can help as a returner.
So nothing is certain, but if you are able to be even the least bit objective hear you can see that there's a lot to look forward to going this route, and this is coming from someone who really liked Collins.
Agreed, it's not just about highlights. But it's not like people care that much to look into the non-highlights, as there are still people trying to look for ways to accuse Beckham of questionable effort.
Plenty of tape out there of him run blocking his ass off. It's just easier to flap lips about diva nonsense.
And anyone suggesting Collins wasn't playing hard or wasn't tough is a fool. He played football through a torn labrum last year.
Citing the performance of the offense last year just makes him sound really dumb.
Why? The offense looked good at the end of the year.
This number one thing this team needs to do to start restoring confidence is land their franchise QB. Its the biggest question for the franchise. A year ago they elected to pass in favor of their hand of god/ generational running back and I think many are saying that's all fine, but we still need an answer for the most important position --here we are with two first round picks including one in the top 10, are we going to use them in some way, or punt on the QB again?
I said when DG was hired, the huge decisions were coach, the #2 pick, Odell contract, and Eli transition. We are still watching it all unfold, and the jury is very much out.
Thats just it, the number one thing this franchise needs to do is WIN. The qb narrative is out of control. Youre trying to tell me if the giants go 9-7 in 2019 with eli throwing for 4300 yards, 25 tds and 12 ints that the fan base and stupid fucking media wont calm down a bit?
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Jabrill fucking Peppers, who has done virtually nothing in two years in the league, is such an upgrade on Collins.
He cant be any worse. Again outside of 2016.... which is 3 years....
Collins averaged 0 sacks and 1 INT during 2015, 2017, and 2018 - is that the kid of production you want from a safety?
Collins is living on 2016. He was great that year.
He's been nothing but average as an overall player every other year.
I'll take a younger player and manageable contract, roll the dice.
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#Giants Gettleman - "it's not my responsibility to tell you guys "media" what i'm doing"..."trust me. we got a plan. over time, you've got to be patient."
Agreed - but his earlier comment about "having holes" and collecting draft capital does highlight that they are going to plug holes via the draft/. Maybe the first few picks are best player availble, but after that they will be filling needs.
Citing the performance of the offense last year just makes him sound really dumb.
Incredibly arrogant and dumb. Disaster.
Collins cap hit next 4 years: $62M total
Peppers is a MASSIVE upgrade over Collins at those figures.
It's not that Peppers is an all pro, it's that Collins is still living off 2016, which was 3 seasons ago. Since then, he's averaged:
13.5 games 1 INT, 5 PD 1 FF 1 FR ~100 tackles 4 TFL 2 QBHits
That's not exactly an all pro statline...
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its a team sport, highlight reel plays don't always translate into wins, and the object of the game is still to get the wins, not necessarily to get on sportscenter
Agreed, it's not just about highlights. But it's not like people care that much to look into the non-highlights, as there are still people trying to look for ways to accuse Beckham of questionable effort.
Plenty of tape out there of him run blocking his ass off. It's just easier to flap lips about diva nonsense.
And anyone suggesting Collins wasn't playing hard or wasn't tough is a fool. He played football through a torn labrum last year.
People arent questioning eithers effort (well maybe OBJ supposedly sitting out the last 4games healthy) but the point is simple with Beckham - his act wore thin. The staff and ownership had enough with him. They felt he was negative on the team. If thats the case, then its a wrap. He is a diva WR. Much like Owens, Moss, Ocho Cinco, Dez, etc.... sometimes their act was thin.
I think the majority of posters loved Collins all out play. I did. But thefact was he was going to get paid 14 million a year and was one dimensional with injury problems. Sometimes you have to know when to say no.
Citing the performance of the offense last year just makes him sound really dumb.
This draft is important, Im going to take a wait & see approach. In terms of national PR though, hell get torched for that presser.