On offense, you gotta have a QB run out there....this narrative that Eli is overpaid & cant play is a crock. It really is. Defends way Eli finishes the season. There really wasnt a decision to make.
This is the perfect collision of insanity and predictability.
RE: RE: I do enjoy the certainty with which people state that
if you are able to be even the least bit objective
Yeah...I don't think this is possible for Greg. Its gotten to the point where you scroll down and the second you see his name you know its going to be an opportunity to shit on something.
On offense, you gotta have a QB run out there....this narrative that Eli is overpaid & cant play is a crock. It really is. Defends way Eli finishes the season. There really wasnt a decision to make.
This is the perfect collision of insanity and predictability.
Yet you have been the one that the Giants shouldnt take a QB this year.
I can't disagree with a lot of what Joey said. I'm looking forward to this Giants' season more than I have any other in 6 or 7 years. These Giants teams of the last few years have been my least favorite as a fan...just hugely unlikable.
That said, if you're going to keep Eli at $23M this year, you'd better win. 6-10 and Gettleman and Shurmur should both be shown the door.
I do think the odds of winning went up this past week. Cut out a lot of cancer.
In that scenario, Shurmur probably goes but DG will stay. I'm still not sure what the alternative to Eli is at this point, if you cut him you are forced to pick a QB. And what Free Agent is out there to be signed with the cap savings? Better to keep that savings on the books for 2021.
if you are able to be even the least bit objective
Yeah...I don't think this is possible for Greg. Its gotten to the point where you scroll down and the second you see his name you know its going to be an opportunity to shit on something.
Why? The offense looked good at the end of the year.
Because one year doesn't carry into the next. And it ignores the fact that the offense was an atrocity for most of the season. It also ignores that the Giants lost the last three games of the season regardless...two of those at home, and one via shutout.
Last year was an abysmal failure. I wouldn't be citing it at all if I were Gettleman or Shurmur, and they've been doing just that all offseason.
On offense, you gotta have a QB run out there....this narrative that Eli is overpaid & cant play is a crock. It really is. Defends way Eli finishes the season. There really wasnt a decision to make.
This is the perfect collision of insanity and predictability.
Yet you have been the one that the Giants shouldnt take a QB this year.
my opinion of him gets worse. Comes across as a complete buffoon. He just loves changing the narrative to suit whatever dimwitted point he's trying make.
Peppers cap hit next 4 years: $7.5M total
Collins cap hit next 4 years: $62M total
Peppers is a MASSIVE upgrade over Collins at those figures.
Well Peppers is only signed for 2 years, though year 3 will hopefully be his option ~$10M. Still a bargain relative to Collins and should provide comparable performance at a minimum.
that the OLine has everything to do with the success of this offense, as shown in the 2nd half of last year. Why does it have to have any other meaning? What's so wrong with that?
Peppers cap hit next 4 years: $7.5M total
Collins cap hit next 4 years: $62M total
Peppers is a MASSIVE upgrade over Collins at those figures.
Well Peppers is only signed for 2 years, though year 3 will hopefully be his option ~$10M. Still a bargain relative to Collins and should provide comparable performance at a minimum.
Behind DG, I was a fan of the hire, I like what he's done and I like what he's doing. He's getting rid of the rot and making the culture what he thinks it should be. This isn't an overnight fix, we had a locker room full of big mouths and dopes and guys who put themselves over the team on multiple occasions. He wants guys who want to play football first and tweet second or third or not at all. Every single player we have traded away or cut has been a me first type, look at me type and that doesn't get it done in football unless the talent is overwhelming and it isn't.
Reese and Ross gutted the OL, ignored RBs and just marveled at the basketball on grass idea and we had a soft flimsy roster because of it. This is and always will be a physical game for big men and we didn't have enough size, grit or toughness. Now the diva is gone, the lawyer is gone, the "humble" my ass 21 is gone and pouty moody Vernon is gone. In their place is a tenacious WR who is physical in all aspects, a RG in the top 5 of the league who plays with an edge and a young promising S who looks to be versatile, talented and smart. Throw in Markus Golden, who has had some rough years but clearly has talent and was beloved in AZ and you see what he's doing.
Last year he adds Barkley, Hernandez, Hill, and Carter, 3 sure fire starting caliber players at RB, LG and DE and a big fast OLB who should be starting in year 2. He has 12 picks this year and he's going to keep building and I can't wait to watch it unfold.
Agree 100%
And the more he pisses off the eternal whiners the more I like him
Peppers cap hit next 4 years: $7.5M total
Collins cap hit next 4 years: $62M total
Peppers is a MASSIVE upgrade over Collins at those figures.
Well Peppers is only signed for 2 years, though year 3 will hopefully be his option ~$10M. Still a bargain relative to Collins and should provide comparable performance at a minimum.
Jabrill fucking Peppers, who has done virtually nothing in two years in the league, is such an upgrade on Collins.
And no one is surprised to know you feel that way either.
Facts are inconvenient things. Peppers hasn't done much. As a former 1st round pick, he has to be chalked up at this point as "disappointing" which is why he was available in the first place.
Collins was an All-Pro and 2 or 3 time Pro Bowler who spent a lot of time covering up for the dreck at one corner spot and free safety and in the process covering up for the mistakes of others. It didn't take long for Gettlemen to throw 3+ million guaranteed a 32+ year old safety rather than put up with another season by Curtis Riley.
lately, you guys are gonna bitch. Anything he does, you're going to disagree with. And then if he said nothing, you'd be bitching about that too. It's just the way it is.
And the more he pisses off the eternal whiners the more I like him
You know, this comment is instructive. There are a whole bunch of people for whom this is paramount, much more important than the Giants not being a laughingstock. That, and making sure Eli Manning is Quarterback for Life.
Gettleman's awesome - he pisses off the right people and refuses to address the decline of Eli's play! Win-win even if the team is going nowhere.
lately, you guys are gonna bitch. Anything he does, you're going to disagree with. And then if he said nothing, you'd be bitching about that too. It's just the way it is.
lately, you guys are gonna bitch. Anything he does, you're going to disagree with. And then if he said nothing, you'd be bitching about that too. It's just the way it is.
lately, you guys are gonna bitch. Anything he does, you're going to disagree with. And then if he said nothing, you'd be bitching about that too. It's just the way it is.
No, that's not really fair. I've given him a lot of credit for the moves made over the past week.
But that doesn't undo the brutal first year he had with this team, and it doesn't make it OK to keep citing last year as though it were a sign of upcoming success. 2019 will be its own animal...stop trying to sell us that 2018 was something other than a total nightmare.
RE: RE: RE: I do enjoy the certainty with which people state that
Facts are inconvenient things. Peppers hasn't done much. As a former 1st round pick, he has to be chalked up at this point as "disappointing" which is why he was available in the first place.
Take a look at Peppers year this year. He was pretty damn productive. Williams used him very wisely.
He got overpaid. No argument there. The problem is not realizing that he was likely going to get an offer for more than the Giants were willing to pay and making a deal last year for him. THAT'S what was foolish and short-sighted.
And the more he pisses off the eternal whiners the more I like him
You know, this comment is instructive. There are a whole bunch of people for whom this is paramount, much more important than the Giants not being a laughingstock. That, and making sure Eli Manning is Quarterback for Life.
Gettleman's awesome - he pisses off the right people and refuses to address the decline of Eli's play! Win-win even if the team is going nowhere.
He might have his faults, but DG has 100% addressed the OL which is arguably the biggest reason behind Eli's poor play. And I would've had no problem moving on from Eli last year.
Hell, you can argue that fixing the OL is paramount to ensuring the next QB has a chance to succeed.
And the more he pisses off the eternal whiners the more I like him
You know, this comment is instructive. There are a whole bunch of people for whom this is paramount, much more important than the Giants not being a laughingstock. That, and making sure Eli Manning is Quarterback for Life.
Gettleman's awesome - he pisses off the right people and refuses to address the decline of Eli's play! Win-win even if the team is going nowhere.
Please, he could have gotten three 1st rounders and you would have bitched and told him to go watch "I dream of Jeannie" for the 10th time.
And the more he pisses off the eternal whiners the more I like him
You know, this comment is instructive. There are a whole bunch of people for whom this is paramount, much more important than the Giants not being a laughingstock. That, and making sure Eli Manning is Quarterback for Life.
Gettleman's awesome - he pisses off the right people and refuses to address the decline of Eli's play! Win-win even if the team is going nowhere.
I believe he's addressed it. They didn't restructure, and right now there isn't an extension. We will know more come draft time on how he feels about the replacement being there this year.
What exactly do you want him to say prior to the draft? I'm genuinely curious what he could realistically say that would satisfy you.
Jabrill fucking Peppers, who has done virtually nothing in two years in the league, is such an upgrade on Collins.
And no one is surprised to know you feel that way either.
Facts are inconvenient things. Peppers hasn't done much. As a former 1st round pick, he has to be chalked up at this point as "disappointing" which is why he was available in the first place.
Collins was an All-Pro and 2 or 3 time Pro Bowler who spent a lot of time covering up for the dreck at one corner spot and free safety and in the process covering up for the mistakes of others. It didn't take long for Gettlemen to throw 3+ million guaranteed a 32+ year old safety rather than put up with another season by Curtis Riley.
Its great how you go into this big defense about why Collins performance hasn't been what it was since 2016, and yet all you can say about Peppers is that he hasn't done much. Thats probably because you don't know anything about how he was used and are just looking at his statistics.
and some of you do not even realize what he is doing or why he says what he does.
When he talks about something that was in the past, he is more likely to give an honest comment.
When he talks about something that could happen in the future, every word will be calculated in a way to..
A. not tip his hand on what the real plan is
B. not lose leverage in a potential future deal
So, when some of you get triggered by a comment about Eli for example.. what benefit does it do to say anything other than something that shows total confidence in Eli? In fact, if he did otherwise, I would have a serious problem with that.
Look back at the OBJ comments from months ago. He said the plan was to keep Odell and you dont give up on talent. The simpletons now are freaking out "but but but he said..." The guy would have lost some leverage in a potential future negotiation if he came out and said "yeah we are seriously considering trading Odell."
(1) He's not afraid of change;
(2) He needs more than one year to be evaluated;
(3) In all fairness, I think he should be given a minimum of three years;
(4) But, if there is no sign of overall team performance in 2019, then I think he's on very shaky ground;
(5) There has got to be forward "progress" in 2019; not a play-off spot, but the general feeling that things are moving in the right direction.
(6) If by the end of 2020 Season, there isn't a positive development in the team's direction, Gettleman will be dropped, fired, kicked out the door.
(7) And, so too, the Head Coach.
(8) Bottom line, they both have two more years to show us what they've got!
This is the perfect collision of insanity and predictability.
if you are able to be even the least bit objective
Yeah...I don't think this is possible for Greg. Its gotten to the point where you scroll down and the second you see his name you know its going to be an opportunity to shit on something.
This is the perfect collision of insanity and predictability.
Yet you have been the one that the Giants shouldnt take a QB this year.
Do you complain jsut to complain?
That said, if you're going to keep Eli at $23M this year, you'd better win. 6-10 and Gettleman and Shurmur should both be shown the door.
I do think the odds of winning went up this past week. Cut out a lot of cancer.
In that scenario, Shurmur probably goes but DG will stay. I'm still not sure what the alternative to Eli is at this point, if you cut him you are forced to pick a QB. And what Free Agent is out there to be signed with the cap savings? Better to keep that savings on the books for 2021.
(1) We'll see real progress in terms of becoming a tougher, more physical, smarter football team (may or may not translate to many more wins).
(2) Or it will feel like the movie "Ground Hog Day" all over again.
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Paul Schwartz
Verified account @NYPost_Schwartz
1m1 minute ago
Gettleman says Giants got two first round picks and a third-round pick for Beckham.
LOL the 3rd rounder is basically a 4th rounder. Cool Dave.
Its a 3rd round pick. Not a fourth. Thanks.
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In comment 14344790 Greg from LI said:
if you are able to be even the least bit objective
Yeah...I don't think this is possible for Greg. Its gotten to the point where you scroll down and the second you see his name you know its going to be an opportunity to shit on something.
He's not the only one by a longshot.
Because one year doesn't carry into the next. And it ignores the fact that the offense was an atrocity for most of the season. It also ignores that the Giants lost the last three games of the season regardless...two of those at home, and one via shutout.
Last year was an abysmal failure. I wouldn't be citing it at all if I were Gettleman or Shurmur, and they've been doing just that all offseason.
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On offense, you gotta have a QB run out there....this narrative that Eli is overpaid & cant play is a crock. It really is. Defends way Eli finishes the season. There really wasnt a decision to make.
This is the perfect collision of insanity and predictability.
Yet you have been the one that the Giants shouldnt take a QB this year.
Do you complain jsut to complain?
Take a QB in the first round.
I would do it for free. You can keep the beer. Pat is a smarmy piece of shit.
What a smug sham of a "reporter".
I can't wait until this sorry excuse moves on from covering the Giants.
Can we have him cover the Jets instead?
Collins cap hit next 4 years: $62M total
Peppers is a MASSIVE upgrade over Collins at those figures.
Well Peppers is only signed for 2 years, though year 3 will hopefully be his option ~$10M. Still a bargain relative to Collins and should provide comparable performance at a minimum.
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Peppers cap hit next 4 years: $7.5M total
Collins cap hit next 4 years: $62M total
Peppers is a MASSIVE upgrade over Collins at those figures.
Well Peppers is only signed for 2 years, though year 3 will hopefully be his option ~$10M. Still a bargain relative to Collins and should provide comparable performance at a minimum.
My mistake. Misread the Spotrac page.
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Behind DG, I was a fan of the hire, I like what he's done and I like what he's doing. He's getting rid of the rot and making the culture what he thinks it should be. This isn't an overnight fix, we had a locker room full of big mouths and dopes and guys who put themselves over the team on multiple occasions. He wants guys who want to play football first and tweet second or third or not at all. Every single player we have traded away or cut has been a me first type, look at me type and that doesn't get it done in football unless the talent is overwhelming and it isn't.
Reese and Ross gutted the OL, ignored RBs and just marveled at the basketball on grass idea and we had a soft flimsy roster because of it. This is and always will be a physical game for big men and we didn't have enough size, grit or toughness. Now the diva is gone, the lawyer is gone, the "humble" my ass 21 is gone and pouty moody Vernon is gone. In their place is a tenacious WR who is physical in all aspects, a RG in the top 5 of the league who plays with an edge and a young promising S who looks to be versatile, talented and smart. Throw in Markus Golden, who has had some rough years but clearly has talent and was beloved in AZ and you see what he's doing.
Last year he adds Barkley, Hernandez, Hill, and Carter, 3 sure fire starting caliber players at RB, LG and DE and a big fast OLB who should be starting in year 2. He has 12 picks this year and he's going to keep building and I can't wait to watch it unfold.
Agree 100%
And the more he pisses off the eternal whiners the more I like him
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Peppers cap hit next 4 years: $7.5M total
Collins cap hit next 4 years: $62M total
Peppers is a MASSIVE upgrade over Collins at those figures.
Well Peppers is only signed for 2 years, though year 3 will hopefully be his option ~$10M. Still a bargain relative to Collins and should provide comparable performance at a minimum.
My mistake. Misread the Spotrac page.
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Jabrill fucking Peppers, who has done virtually nothing in two years in the league, is such an upgrade on Collins.
And no one is surprised to know you feel that way either.
Collins was an All-Pro and 2 or 3 time Pro Bowler who spent a lot of time covering up for the dreck at one corner spot and free safety and in the process covering up for the mistakes of others. It didn't take long for Gettlemen to throw 3+ million guaranteed a 32+ year old safety rather than put up with another season by Curtis Riley.
Tom Rock
Verified account @TomRock_Newsday
3s4 seconds ago
Gettleman: "You can win while you are building... They're not separate pieces."
True..they can win 5 games
And the more he pisses off the eternal whiners the more I like him
You know, this comment is instructive. There are a whole bunch of people for whom this is paramount, much more important than the Giants not being a laughingstock. That, and making sure Eli Manning is Quarterback for Life.
Gettleman's awesome - he pisses off the right people and refuses to address the decline of Eli's play! Win-win even if the team is going nowhere.
(1) We'll see real progress in terms of becoming a tougher, more physical, smarter football team (may or may not translate to many more wins).
(2) Or it will feel like the movie "Ground Hog Day" all over again.
This is what you need to look at. You're going into year two with this regime. Arrow needs to start pointing upward...........
1000% agree
1000% correct
No, that's not really fair. I've given him a lot of credit for the moves made over the past week.
But that doesn't undo the brutal first year he had with this team, and it doesn't make it OK to keep citing last year as though it were a sign of upcoming success. 2019 will be its own animal...stop trying to sell us that 2018 was something other than a total nightmare.
Facts are inconvenient things. Peppers hasn't done much. As a former 1st round pick, he has to be chalked up at this point as "disappointing" which is why he was available in the first place.
Take a look at Peppers year this year. He was pretty damn productive. Williams used him very wisely.
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And the more he pisses off the eternal whiners the more I like him
You know, this comment is instructive. There are a whole bunch of people for whom this is paramount, much more important than the Giants not being a laughingstock. That, and making sure Eli Manning is Quarterback for Life.
Gettleman's awesome - he pisses off the right people and refuses to address the decline of Eli's play! Win-win even if the team is going nowhere.
He might have his faults, but DG has 100% addressed the OL which is arguably the biggest reason behind Eli's poor play. And I would've had no problem moving on from Eli last year.
Hell, you can argue that fixing the OL is paramount to ensuring the next QB has a chance to succeed.
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And the more he pisses off the eternal whiners the more I like him
You know, this comment is instructive. There are a whole bunch of people for whom this is paramount, much more important than the Giants not being a laughingstock. That, and making sure Eli Manning is Quarterback for Life.
Gettleman's awesome - he pisses off the right people and refuses to address the decline of Eli's play! Win-win even if the team is going nowhere.
Please, he could have gotten three 1st rounders and you would have bitched and told him to go watch "I dream of Jeannie" for the 10th time.
GiantsWFAN
@giantswfan
53s54 seconds ago
#Giants Gettleman - on Eli and possible extension..... "we discussed it. today is the day when he gets his bonus and we just keep moving"
And there it is! Extending eli til he's 60!
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And the more he pisses off the eternal whiners the more I like him
You know, this comment is instructive. There are a whole bunch of people for whom this is paramount, much more important than the Giants not being a laughingstock. That, and making sure Eli Manning is Quarterback for Life.
Gettleman's awesome - he pisses off the right people and refuses to address the decline of Eli's play! Win-win even if the team is going nowhere.
I believe he's addressed it. They didn't restructure, and right now there isn't an extension. We will know more come draft time on how he feels about the replacement being there this year.
What exactly do you want him to say prior to the draft? I'm genuinely curious what he could realistically say that would satisfy you.
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In comment 14344790 Greg from LI said:
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Jabrill fucking Peppers, who has done virtually nothing in two years in the league, is such an upgrade on Collins.
And no one is surprised to know you feel that way either.
Facts are inconvenient things. Peppers hasn't done much. As a former 1st round pick, he has to be chalked up at this point as "disappointing" which is why he was available in the first place.
Collins was an All-Pro and 2 or 3 time Pro Bowler who spent a lot of time covering up for the dreck at one corner spot and free safety and in the process covering up for the mistakes of others. It didn't take long for Gettlemen to throw 3+ million guaranteed a 32+ year old safety rather than put up with another season by Curtis Riley.
Its great how you go into this big defense about why Collins performance hasn't been what it was since 2016, and yet all you can say about Peppers is that he hasn't done much. Thats probably because you don't know anything about how he was used and are just looking at his statistics.
Facts are inconvenient things indeed.
Please stop.
If you look at his body of work in its entirety for past 4 seasons - any sane person can see it's time to move on.
He really did make it seem like is was fait accompli.
Then again, it was...
When he talks about something that was in the past, he is more likely to give an honest comment.
When he talks about something that could happen in the future, every word will be calculated in a way to..
A. not tip his hand on what the real plan is
B. not lose leverage in a potential future deal
So, when some of you get triggered by a comment about Eli for example.. what benefit does it do to say anything other than something that shows total confidence in Eli? In fact, if he did otherwise, I would have a serious problem with that.
Look back at the OBJ comments from months ago. He said the plan was to keep Odell and you dont give up on talent. The simpletons now are freaking out "but but but he said..." The guy would have lost some leverage in a potential future negotiation if he came out and said "yeah we are seriously considering trading Odell."
(1) He's not afraid of change;
(2) He needs more than one year to be evaluated;
(3) In all fairness, I think he should be given a minimum of three years;
(4) But, if there is no sign of overall team performance in 2019, then I think he's on very shaky ground;
(5) There has got to be forward "progress" in 2019; not a play-off spot, but the general feeling that things are moving in the right direction.
(6) If by the end of 2020 Season, there isn't a positive development in the team's direction, Gettleman will be dropped, fired, kicked out the door.
(7) And, so too, the Head Coach.
(8) Bottom line, they both have two more years to show us what they've got!
if we had no intentions on signing him we would've shipped him.
shit happens.
I need more rumors from JT!!!
(1) We'll see real progress in terms of becoming a tougher, more physical, smarter football team (may or may not translate to many more wins).
(2) Or it will feel like the movie "Ground Hog Day" all over again.