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GiantsRage2007 : 3/18/2019 9:55 am
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DG...  
bw in dc : 3/18/2019 11:32 am : link
On offense, you gotta have a QB run out there....this narrative that Eli is overpaid & cant play is a crock. It really is. Defends way Eli finishes the season. There really wasnt a decision to make.

This is the perfect collision of insanity and predictability.
RE: RE: I do enjoy the certainty with which people state that  
Brown Recluse : 3/18/2019 11:33 am : link
In comment 14344828 UConn4523 said:
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In comment 14344790 Greg from LI said:


if you are able to be even the least bit objective


Yeah...I don't think this is possible for Greg. Its gotten to the point where you scroll down and the second you see his name you know its going to be an opportunity to shit on something.
RE: DG...  
dep026 : 3/18/2019 11:33 am : link
In comment 14344840 bw in dc said:
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On offense, you gotta have a QB run out there....this narrative that Eli is overpaid & cant play is a crock. It really is. Defends way Eli finishes the season. There really wasnt a decision to make.

This is the perfect collision of insanity and predictability.


Yet you have been the one that the Giants shouldnt take a QB this year.

Do you complain jsut to complain?
RE: As a fan,  
RobCarpenter : 3/18/2019 11:34 am : link
In comment 14344795 Go Terps said:
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I can't disagree with a lot of what Joey said. I'm looking forward to this Giants' season more than I have any other in 6 or 7 years. These Giants teams of the last few years have been my least favorite as a fan...just hugely unlikable.

That said, if you're going to keep Eli at $23M this year, you'd better win. 6-10 and Gettleman and Shurmur should both be shown the door.

I do think the odds of winning went up this past week. Cut out a lot of cancer.


In that scenario, Shurmur probably goes but DG will stay. I'm still not sure what the alternative to Eli is at this point, if you cut him you are forced to pick a QB. And what Free Agent is out there to be signed with the cap savings? Better to keep that savings on the books for 2021.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/18/2019 11:34 am : link
We'll have to try to remember this moment a year from now, because:

(1) We'll see real progress in terms of becoming a tougher, more physical, smarter football team (may or may not translate to many more wins).

(2) Or it will feel like the movie "Ground Hog Day" all over again.
RE: RE: ...  
djm : 3/18/2019 11:34 am : link
In comment 14344736 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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In comment 14344734 Eric from BBI said:


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Paul Schwartz
‏Verified account @NYPost_Schwartz
1m1 minute ago

Gettleman says Giants got two first round picks and a third-round pick for Beckham.



LOL the 3rd rounder is basically a 4th rounder. Cool Dave.
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Its a 3rd round pick. Not a fourth. Thanks.
RE: RE: RE: I do enjoy the certainty with which people state that  
Harvest Blend : 3/18/2019 11:34 am : link
In comment 14344841 Brown Recluse said:
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In comment 14344828 UConn4523 said:


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In comment 14344790 Greg from LI said:


if you are able to be even the least bit objective



Yeah...I don't think this is possible for Greg. Its gotten to the point where you scroll down and the second you see his name you know its going to be an opportunity to shit on something.


He's not the only one by a longshot.
RE: RE: Gettleman does sound like a complete fool  
Go Terps : 3/18/2019 11:34 am : link
In comment 14344830 ryanmkeane said:
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Why? The offense looked good at the end of the year.


Because one year doesn't carry into the next. And it ignores the fact that the offense was an atrocity for most of the season. It also ignores that the Giants lost the last three games of the season regardless...two of those at home, and one via shutout.

Last year was an abysmal failure. I wouldn't be citing it at all if I were Gettleman or Shurmur, and they've been doing just that all offseason.

RE: RE: DG...  
bw in dc : 3/18/2019 11:35 am : link
In comment 14344842 dep026 said:
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In comment 14344840 bw in dc said:


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On offense, you gotta have a QB run out there....this narrative that Eli is overpaid & cant play is a crock. It really is. Defends way Eli finishes the season. There really wasnt a decision to make.

This is the perfect collision of insanity and predictability.



Yet you have been the one that the Giants shouldnt take a QB this year.

Do you complain jsut to complain?


Take a QB in the first round.
RE: First person to punch  
Diver_Down : 3/18/2019 11:35 am : link
In comment 14344815 antdog24 said:
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Pat in the face gets a free beer.


I would do it for free. You can keep the beer. Pat is a smarmy piece of shit.
every time this guy speaks  
Enzo : 3/18/2019 11:36 am : link
my opinion of him gets worse. Comes across as a complete buffoon. He just loves changing the narrative to suit whatever dimwitted point he's trying make.
there really are no words for how foolish this is  
Greg from LI : 3/18/2019 11:36 am : link
"He didn't shop Odell for a potential better offer b/c he felt making calls cedes leverage"
My biggest takeaway from the Tweets  
TommytheElephant : 3/18/2019 11:36 am : link
Is how almost all of the beat reporters do a great job transcribing the Conference, and then there is Pat Leonard.
What a smug sham of a "reporter".

I can't wait until this sorry excuse moves on from covering the Giants.

Can we have him cover the Jets instead?
RE: Peppers v. Collins  
giants#1 : 3/18/2019 11:36 am : link
In comment 14344836 Go Terps said:
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Peppers cap hit next 4 years: $7.5M total
Collins cap hit next 4 years: $62M total

Peppers is a MASSIVE upgrade over Collins at those figures.


Well Peppers is only signed for 2 years, though year 3 will hopefully be his option ~$10M. Still a bargain relative to Collins and should provide comparable performance at a minimum.
I took that comment to mean  
UConn4523 : 3/18/2019 11:36 am : link
that the OLine has everything to do with the success of this offense, as shown in the 2nd half of last year. Why does it have to have any other meaning? What's so wrong with that?
The quote  
ajr2456 : 3/18/2019 11:37 am : link
about not caring about adding players over 30 as long as they can play is something. I don't what it is, but it's something.
RE: RE: Peppers v. Collins  
Go Terps : 3/18/2019 11:37 am : link
In comment 14344853 giants#1 said:
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In comment 14344836 Go Terps said:


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Peppers cap hit next 4 years: $7.5M total
Collins cap hit next 4 years: $62M total

Peppers is a MASSIVE upgrade over Collins at those figures.



Well Peppers is only signed for 2 years, though year 3 will hopefully be his option ~$10M. Still a bargain relative to Collins and should provide comparable performance at a minimum.


My mistake. Misread the Spotrac page.
RE: RE: I'm unabashedly  
montanagiant : 3/18/2019 11:37 am : link
In comment 14344765 Britt in VA said:
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In comment 14344760 Joey in VA said:


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Behind DG, I was a fan of the hire, I like what he's done and I like what he's doing. He's getting rid of the rot and making the culture what he thinks it should be. This isn't an overnight fix, we had a locker room full of big mouths and dopes and guys who put themselves over the team on multiple occasions. He wants guys who want to play football first and tweet second or third or not at all. Every single player we have traded away or cut has been a me first type, look at me type and that doesn't get it done in football unless the talent is overwhelming and it isn't.

Reese and Ross gutted the OL, ignored RBs and just marveled at the basketball on grass idea and we had a soft flimsy roster because of it. This is and always will be a physical game for big men and we didn't have enough size, grit or toughness. Now the diva is gone, the lawyer is gone, the "humble" my ass 21 is gone and pouty moody Vernon is gone. In their place is a tenacious WR who is physical in all aspects, a RG in the top 5 of the league who plays with an edge and a young promising S who looks to be versatile, talented and smart. Throw in Markus Golden, who has had some rough years but clearly has talent and was beloved in AZ and you see what he's doing.

Last year he adds Barkley, Hernandez, Hill, and Carter, 3 sure fire starting caliber players at RB, LG and DE and a big fast OLB who should be starting in year 2. He has 12 picks this year and he's going to keep building and I can't wait to watch it unfold.



Agree 100%

And the more he pisses off the eternal whiners the more I like him
RE: RE: Peppers v. Collins  
Go Terps : 3/18/2019 11:37 am : link
In comment 14344853 giants#1 said:
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In comment 14344836 Go Terps said:


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Peppers cap hit next 4 years: $7.5M total
Collins cap hit next 4 years: $62M total

Peppers is a MASSIVE upgrade over Collins at those figures.



Well Peppers is only signed for 2 years, though year 3 will hopefully be his option ~$10M. Still a bargain relative to Collins and should provide comparable performance at a minimum.


My mistake. Misread the Spotrac page.
Wasnt even a decision on Eli?  
Rflairr : 3/18/2019 11:38 am : link
Jeesh folks. This front office is delusional.
RE: RE: I do enjoy the certainty with which people state that  
HomerJones45 : 3/18/2019 11:38 am : link
In comment 14344794 Brown Recluse said:
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In comment 14344790 Greg from LI said:


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Jabrill fucking Peppers, who has done virtually nothing in two years in the league, is such an upgrade on Collins.



And no one is surprised to know you feel that way either.
Facts are inconvenient things. Peppers hasn't done much. As a former 1st round pick, he has to be chalked up at this point as "disappointing" which is why he was available in the first place.

Collins was an All-Pro and 2 or 3 time Pro Bowler who spent a lot of time covering up for the dreck at one corner spot and free safety and in the process covering up for the mistakes of others. It didn't take long for Gettlemen to throw 3+ million guaranteed a 32+ year old safety rather than put up with another season by Curtis Riley.
RE: ...  
micky : 3/18/2019 11:39 am : link
In comment 14344750 Eric from BBI said:
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Tom Rock
‏Verified account @TomRock_Newsday
3s4 seconds ago

Gettleman: "You can win while you are building... They're not separate pieces."



True..they can win 5 games
Anything this guy says or does  
ryanmkeane : 3/18/2019 11:39 am : link
lately, you guys are gonna bitch. Anything he does, you're going to disagree with. And then if he said nothing, you'd be bitching about that too. It's just the way it is.
RE: RE: RE: I'm unabashedly  
Greg from LI : 3/18/2019 11:39 am : link
In comment 14344858 montanagiant said:
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And the more he pisses off the eternal whiners the more I like him


You know, this comment is instructive. There are a whole bunch of people for whom this is paramount, much more important than the Giants not being a laughingstock. That, and making sure Eli Manning is Quarterback for Life.

Gettleman's awesome - he pisses off the right people and refuses to address the decline of Eli's play! Win-win even if the team is going nowhere.
RE: ...  
BillKo : 3/18/2019 11:39 am : link
In comment 14344844 Eric from BBI said:
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We'll have to try to remember this moment a year from now, because:

(1) We'll see real progress in terms of becoming a tougher, more physical, smarter football team (may or may not translate to many more wins).

(2) Or it will feel like the movie "Ground Hog Day" all over again.


This is what you need to look at. You're going into year two with this regime. Arrow needs to start pointing upward...........
RE: Anything this guy says or does  
jvm52106 : 3/18/2019 11:40 am : link
In comment 14344865 ryanmkeane said:
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lately, you guys are gonna bitch. Anything he does, you're going to disagree with. And then if he said nothing, you'd be bitching about that too. It's just the way it is.


1000% agree
RE: Anything this guy says or does  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 3/18/2019 11:40 am : link
In comment 14344865 ryanmkeane said:
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lately, you guys are gonna bitch. Anything he does, you're going to disagree with. And then if he said nothing, you'd be bitching about that too. It's just the way it is.
Yes
Jones  
BigBlueCane : 3/18/2019 11:40 am : link
in the 2nd round it is.
Reading those tweets  
montanagiant : 3/18/2019 11:41 am : link
Is there any doubt that Pat Leonard really is nothing but a hacky shitstain?
Gettleman calling out the media here is cool.  
BBelle21 : 3/18/2019 11:41 am : link
This narrative that Eli is overpaid and can't play is a crock.

1000% correct
RE: Anything this guy says or does  
Go Terps : 3/18/2019 11:41 am : link
In comment 14344865 ryanmkeane said:
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lately, you guys are gonna bitch. Anything he does, you're going to disagree with. And then if he said nothing, you'd be bitching about that too. It's just the way it is.


No, that's not really fair. I've given him a lot of credit for the moves made over the past week.

But that doesn't undo the brutal first year he had with this team, and it doesn't make it OK to keep citing last year as though it were a sign of upcoming success. 2019 will be its own animal...stop trying to sell us that 2018 was something other than a total nightmare.
RE: RE: RE: I do enjoy the certainty with which people state that  
bw in dc : 3/18/2019 11:42 am : link
In comment 14344863 HomerJones45 said:
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Facts are inconvenient things. Peppers hasn't done much. As a former 1st round pick, he has to be chalked up at this point as "disappointing" which is why he was available in the first place.



Take a look at Peppers year this year. He was pretty damn productive. Williams used him very wisely.
No idea  
Phil in LA : 3/18/2019 11:42 am : link
why this wasn't on the app.
And ultimately I wasn't mad that they didn't sign Collins  
Greg from LI : 3/18/2019 11:42 am : link
He got overpaid. No argument there. The problem is not realizing that he was likely going to get an offer for more than the Giants were willing to pay and making a deal last year for him. THAT'S what was foolish and short-sighted.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I'm unabashedly  
giants#1 : 3/18/2019 11:42 am : link
In comment 14344866 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 14344858 montanagiant said:


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And the more he pisses off the eternal whiners the more I like him



You know, this comment is instructive. There are a whole bunch of people for whom this is paramount, much more important than the Giants not being a laughingstock. That, and making sure Eli Manning is Quarterback for Life.

Gettleman's awesome - he pisses off the right people and refuses to address the decline of Eli's play! Win-win even if the team is going nowhere.


He might have his faults, but DG has 100% addressed the OL which is arguably the biggest reason behind Eli's poor play. And I would've had no problem moving on from Eli last year.

Hell, you can argue that fixing the OL is paramount to ensuring the next QB has a chance to succeed.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I'm unabashedly  
montanagiant : 3/18/2019 11:43 am : link
In comment 14344866 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 14344858 montanagiant said:


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And the more he pisses off the eternal whiners the more I like him



You know, this comment is instructive. There are a whole bunch of people for whom this is paramount, much more important than the Giants not being a laughingstock. That, and making sure Eli Manning is Quarterback for Life.

Gettleman's awesome - he pisses off the right people and refuses to address the decline of Eli's play! Win-win even if the team is going nowhere.

Please, he could have gotten three 1st rounders and you would have bitched and told him to go watch "I dream of Jeannie" for the 10th time.
RE: INCOMING  
micky : 3/18/2019 11:43 am : link
In comment 14344772 Eric from BBI said:
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GiantsWFAN
‏ @giantswfan
53s54 seconds ago

#Giants Gettleman - on Eli and possible extension..... "we discussed it. today is the day when he gets his bonus and we just keep moving"



And there it is! Extending eli til he's 60!
Is it wrong to say the NYG are "all in on Eli" again?  
The_Boss : 3/18/2019 11:43 am : link
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RE: RE: RE: RE: I'm unabashedly  
UConn4523 : 3/18/2019 11:43 am : link
In comment 14344866 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 14344858 montanagiant said:


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And the more he pisses off the eternal whiners the more I like him



You know, this comment is instructive. There are a whole bunch of people for whom this is paramount, much more important than the Giants not being a laughingstock. That, and making sure Eli Manning is Quarterback for Life.

Gettleman's awesome - he pisses off the right people and refuses to address the decline of Eli's play! Win-win even if the team is going nowhere.


I believe he's addressed it. They didn't restructure, and right now there isn't an extension. We will know more come draft time on how he feels about the replacement being there this year.

What exactly do you want him to say prior to the draft? I'm genuinely curious what he could realistically say that would satisfy you.
You missed 1 tweet from the press conference  
ghost718 : 3/18/2019 11:43 am : link
In response to a question about this particular thread,luckily I have the video

For OBJ ^^^^  
montanagiant : 3/18/2019 11:44 am : link
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RE: RE: RE: I do enjoy the certainty with which people state that  
Brown Recluse : 3/18/2019 11:44 am : link
In comment 14344863 HomerJones45 said:
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In comment 14344794 Brown Recluse said:


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In comment 14344790 Greg from LI said:


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Jabrill fucking Peppers, who has done virtually nothing in two years in the league, is such an upgrade on Collins.



And no one is surprised to know you feel that way either.

Facts are inconvenient things. Peppers hasn't done much. As a former 1st round pick, he has to be chalked up at this point as "disappointing" which is why he was available in the first place.

Collins was an All-Pro and 2 or 3 time Pro Bowler who spent a lot of time covering up for the dreck at one corner spot and free safety and in the process covering up for the mistakes of others. It didn't take long for Gettlemen to throw 3+ million guaranteed a 32+ year old safety rather than put up with another season by Curtis Riley.


Its great how you go into this big defense about why Collins performance hasn't been what it was since 2016, and yet all you can say about Peppers is that he hasn't done much. Thats probably because you don't know anything about how he was used and are just looking at his statistics.

Facts are inconvenient things indeed.
DG's ability to  
Dnew15 : 3/18/2019 11:45 am : link
cherry pick games from Eli's previous year to defend why he is the starting QB again the next year is nauseating.

Please stop.

If you look at his body of work in its entirety for past 4 seasons - any sane person can see it's time to move on.
RE: Wasnt even a decision on Eli?  
bw in dc : 3/18/2019 11:45 am : link
In comment 14344860 Rflairr said:
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Jeesh folks. This front office is delusional.


He really did make it seem like is was fait accompli.

Then again, it was...
Why is Pat Leonard covering the Giants?  
BBelle21 : 3/18/2019 11:45 am : link
What have we done to deserve bizarre little man?
Dave Gettleman is playing a media game here..  
EricJ : 3/18/2019 11:46 am : link
and some of you do not even realize what he is doing or why he says what he does.

When he talks about something that was in the past, he is more likely to give an honest comment.

When he talks about something that could happen in the future, every word will be calculated in a way to..
A. not tip his hand on what the real plan is
B. not lose leverage in a potential future deal

So, when some of you get triggered by a comment about Eli for example.. what benefit does it do to say anything other than something that shows total confidence in Eli? In fact, if he did otherwise, I would have a serious problem with that.

Look back at the OBJ comments from months ago. He said the plan was to keep Odell and you dont give up on talent. The simpletons now are freaking out "but but but he said..." The guy would have lost some leverage in a potential future negotiation if he came out and said "yeah we are seriously considering trading Odell."
Gotta say this about Gettleman...  
M.S. : 3/18/2019 11:46 am : link

(1) He's not afraid of change;
(2) He needs more than one year to be evaluated;
(3) In all fairness, I think he should be given a minimum of three years;
(4) But, if there is no sign of overall team performance in 2019, then I think he's on very shaky ground;
(5) There has got to be forward "progress" in 2019; not a play-off spot, but the general feeling that things are moving in the right direction.
(6) If by the end of 2020 Season, there isn't a positive development in the team's direction, Gettleman will be dropped, fired, kicked out the door.
(7) And, so too, the Head Coach.
(8) Bottom line, they both have two more years to show us what they've got!
get it through your thick skulls  
Platos : 3/18/2019 11:46 am : link
We didn't trade Collins last year because we didn't expect him to finish the season on IR, AGAIN.

if we had no intentions on signing him we would've shipped him.

shit happens.
Does JT have any other news to share??  
jayg5 : 3/18/2019 11:46 am : link
Its painful to read all the quotes DG is making

I need more rumors from JT!!!
RE: ...  
Thegratefulhead : 3/18/2019 11:46 am : link
In comment 14344844 Eric from BBI said:
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We'll have to try to remember this moment a year from now, because:

(1) We'll see real progress in terms of becoming a tougher, more physical, smarter football team (may or may not translate to many more wins).

(2) Or it will feel like the movie "Ground Hog Day" all over again.
Yep
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