and some of you do not even realize what he is doing or why he says what he does.
When he talks about something that was in the past, he is more likely to give an honest comment.
When he talks about something that could happen in the future, every word will be calculated in a way to..
A. not tip his hand on what the real plan is
B. not lose leverage in a potential future deal
So, when some of you get triggered by a comment about Eli for example.. what benefit does it do to say anything other than something that shows total confidence in Eli? In fact, if he did otherwise, I would have a serious problem with that.
Look back at the OBJ comments from months ago. He said the plan was to keep Odell and you dont give up on talent. The simpletons now are freaking out "but but but he said..." The guy would have lost some leverage in a potential future negotiation if he came out and said "yeah we are seriously considering trading Odell."
You’ve been too positive of late. That in itself is scaring me..:)
and some of you do not even realize what he is doing or why he says what he does.
When he talks about something that was in the past, he is more likely to give an honest comment.
When he talks about something that could happen in the future, every word will be calculated in a way to..
A. not tip his hand on what the real plan is
B. not lose leverage in a potential future deal
So, when some of you get triggered by a comment about Eli for example.. what benefit does it do to say anything other than something that shows total confidence in Eli? In fact, if he did otherwise, I would have a serious problem with that.
Look back at the OBJ comments from months ago. He said the plan was to keep Odell and you dont give up on talent. The simpletons now are freaking out "but but but he said..." The guy would have lost some leverage in a potential future negotiation if he came out and said "yeah we are seriously considering trading Odell."
“This narrative that Eli’s overpaid and can’t play is a crock. With the way we ended the season, and what he's making, there really wasn't a decision to make."
Ummm....what in the f***ing f***?
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You’ve been too positive of late. That in itself is scaring me..:)
LOL !! No... I am not positive. I am just not going to be negative until I see more. We dont know how the trade will play out yet. Not only does it depend upon the draft picks but also how Peppers and Odell perform over the next couple of years. We also do not know what this final roster is going to be yet for this upcoming season.
Behind DG, I was a fan of the hire, I like what he's done and I like what he's doing. He's getting rid of the rot and making the culture what he thinks it should be. This isn't an overnight fix, we had a locker room full of big mouths and dopes and guys who put themselves over the team on multiple occasions. He wants guys who want to play football first and tweet second or third or not at all. Every single player we have traded away or cut has been a me first type, look at me type and that doesn't get it done in football unless the talent is overwhelming and it isn't.
Reese and Ross gutted the OL, ignored RBs and just marveled at the basketball on grass idea and we had a soft flimsy roster because of it. This is and always will be a physical game for big men and we didn't have enough size, grit or toughness. Now the diva is gone, the lawyer is gone, the "humble" my ass 21 is gone and pouty moody Vernon is gone. In their place is a tenacious WR who is physical in all aspects, a RG in the top 5 of the league who plays with an edge and a young promising S who looks to be versatile, talented and smart. Throw in Markus Golden, who has had some rough years but clearly has talent and was beloved in AZ and you see what he's doing.
Last year he adds Barkley, Hernandez, Hill, and Carter, 3 sure fire starting caliber players at RB, LG and DE and a big fast OLB who should be starting in year 2. He has 12 picks this year and he's going to keep building and I can't wait to watch it unfold.
Agree 100%
And the more he pisses off the eternal whiners the more I like him
“This narrative that Eli is overpaid and can't play is a crock.”
1000% correct
Maybe not 1000% correct? I mean that statement is also him covering his ass a bit, no? I'm behind his moves and an Eli supporter, but it would have been nice to work out a 'restructured' deal...lower the cap hit, extend it so when it comes time to cut bait it makes it easier on the giants.....
this whole no plan/no vision thing is such a load of bullshit. They have a plan - they just don't spell it out for everyone to hear, and it doesn't jive with what the media or fans want to hear.
Last year we thought we good plug some gaps and compete for a playoff run. we were wrong.
instead of pretending he came in here with a plan and its evolving as envisioned.
Hitdog, I think we need to make a distinction here. He probably should have said..
1. Our plan has not changed
2. The first year did not turn out as expected but we are going through the process and sticking to the plan.
This means the personnel was not what they expected... combination of people who were here + a few he brought in.
After listening to him for a year,I've come to the Â
conclusion the main reason he's here is he makes John Mara comfortable.I can't help but think if Louis Riddick had become the GM,we'd already be on our way to rebuilding,w/a possible contention by next season. I'll give Gettleman one more season to right this before I believe we're headed towards a late 1960's-70's run. John is slowly morphing into the bad Wellington. Everyone remembers Wellington as the grandfatherly head of the Giants but most don't realize how badly he fucked them up.It took Rozelle coming in,demanding Wellington name George Young as his GM to help the Giants finally become competitive again!Gettleman's "rebuilding" so far are band aids all around! The reason he won't tell the press "his plan", is because he continues to try to figure it out on the fly.......
Louis Riddick works for ESPN, and hasn't been hired by anyone lately, let alone us. This myth that he would be our savior is BS. I'm sure if he was some great GM in the making, he would have been hired by now.
Behind DG, I was a fan of the hire, I like what he's done and I like what he's doing. He's getting rid of the rot and making the culture what he thinks it should be. This isn't an overnight fix, we had a locker room full of big mouths and dopes and guys who put themselves over the team on multiple occasions. He wants guys who want to play football first and tweet second or third or not at all. Every single player we have traded away or cut has been a me first type, look at me type and that doesn't get it done in football unless the talent is overwhelming and it isn't.
Reese and Ross gutted the OL, ignored RBs and just marveled at the basketball on grass idea and we had a soft flimsy roster because of it. This is and always will be a physical game for big men and we didn't have enough size, grit or toughness. Now the diva is gone, the lawyer is gone, the "humble" my ass 21 is gone and pouty moody Vernon is gone. In their place is a tenacious WR who is physical in all aspects, a RG in the top 5 of the league who plays with an edge and a young promising S who looks to be versatile, talented and smart. Throw in Markus Golden, who has had some rough years but clearly has talent and was beloved in AZ and you see what he's doing.
Last year he adds Barkley, Hernandez, Hill, and Carter, 3 sure fire starting caliber players at RB, LG and DE and a big fast OLB who should be starting in year 2. He has 12 picks this year and he's going to keep building and I can't wait to watch it unfold.
After listening to him for a year,I've come to the
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conclusion the main reason he's here is he makes John Mara comfortable.I can't help but think if Louis Riddick had become the GM,we'd already be on our way to rebuilding,w/a possible contention by next season.
Meanwhile, Louis Riddick works for ESPN for the last 6 years.
That 4 and out against Dallas with the game on the line Â
was the epitome of our offense in the second half-- Clueless, just like the GM. He must be counting the two pick sixes in our numbers or ignoring the four second string or worse QBs that gave us good field position. What a moron. No wonder they ran him out of Carolina.
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Louis Riddick works for ESPN, and hasn't been hired by anyone lately, let alone us. This myth that he would be our savior is BS. I'm sure if he was some great GM in the making, he would have been hired by now.
Perhaps,but you've followed the NFL long enough to know it's an old boys network (especially w/the Giants) & Gettleman was one of those old boys that Mara was comfortable with!
After listening to him for a year,I've come to the
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conclusion the main reason he's here is he makes John Mara comfortable.I can't help but think if Louis Riddick had become the GM,we'd already be on our way to rebuilding,w/a possible contention by next season.
Meanwhile, Louis Riddick works for ESPN for the last 6 years.
we’re this universally mocked by the national media.
-Blindly sticking with Eli
-Old man Gettleman still thinks it’s the 60’s
-No plan/no vision
It’s amazing to me, I really hope Gettleman proves everyone wrong.
Unfortunately, don't expect it to stop anytime soon. This guy is getting absolutely killed nationally and locally in print media, online media, and on sports radio. The guys on ESPN Radio NY (Canty, Rothenberg, DiPietro) eviscerate him every damn day. If they NYG get off to a bad start next year, you might want to hide under a rock.
we’re this universally mocked by the national media.
-Blindly sticking with Eli
-Old man Gettleman still thinks it’s the 60’s
-No plan/no vision
It’s amazing to me, I really hope Gettleman proves everyone wrong.
I do to and not for Gettlemans sake, as he seems to be a bit douchy too but for the sake of the Giants. I mean, does why does the media think its time to cut Eli and really gives Big (scumbag) Ben and Phil (chokey) Rivers a pass? Do they think its in DG and the Giants best interest to let the media in on 'the plan'? Does that even come close to reality? On the other hand his cockiness and some of his statements really seem to be unnecessarily condescending towards the media and fans...
I like most of what DG said today except the part about Eli. It makes me really question his ability to evaluate the most important position on the field. I did not see what he saw the second half of the season. I saw an average QB playing against bad teams or teams that were playing for nothing that was neither consistent or clutch. He complained of a narrative but I think he is running with the narrative that Eli is fine everything else was broken.
I feel that he should be judged on this. If the 2019 NYGs are no better than the 2018 NYGs, DG should go. If the 2019 Eli is no better than 2018 Eli and there is no QB of the of the future on the roster to evaluate, DG should go. If he is right about both Eli and the Giants, extend the motherfucker and we should not doubt him anytime time soon. He made bold statements, I like that. He should be held accountable to those statements.
I want him to be correct so badly it hurts. Nothing would make me happier than the Giants and Eli doing well in 2019. It would be even better if OBJ and the Browns struggle.
After listening to him for a year,I've come to the
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conclusion the main reason he's here is he makes John Mara comfortable.I can't help but think if Louis Riddick had become the GM,we'd already be on our way to rebuilding,w/a possible contention by next season.
Meanwhile, Louis Riddick works for ESPN for the last 6 years.
That's true but in a Catch-22 league where it's like a 16 year old trying to get his first job,"We can't hire you w/o experience" "But,how can I get experience if you won't hire me?" John Mara always goes w/comfort especially after the McAdoo debacle!
After listening to him for a year,I've come to the
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conclusion the main reason he's here is he makes John Mara comfortable.I can't help but think if Louis Riddick had become the GM,we'd already be on our way to rebuilding,w/a possible contention by next season.
Meanwhile, Louis Riddick works for ESPN for the last 6 years.
They do get responsive. We saw that in full affect during Eli benching last year. A year later, they are following up a poor season with DG taking heat over Collins and Odell. Wonder how many letters have reached Mara in the past couple weeks.
This number one thing this team needs to do to start restoring confidence is land their franchise QB. Its the biggest question for the franchise. A year ago they elected to pass in favor of their hand of god/ generational running back and I think many are saying that's all fine, but we still need an answer for the most important position --here we are with two first round picks including one in the top 10, are we going to use them in some way, or punt on the QB again?
I said when DG was hired, the huge decisions were coach, the #2 pick, Odell contract, and Eli transition. We are still watching it all unfold, and the jury is very much out.
That’s just it, the number one thing this franchise needs to do is WIN. The qb narrative is out of control. You’re trying to tell me if the giants go 9-7 in 2019 with eli throwing for 4300 yards, 25 tds and 12 ints that the fan base and stupid fucking media wont calm down a bit?
We are in the offseason now. We are talking from the context of team building. Of course it's about winning. The question is how do you build for sustained success.
(1) He's not afraid of change;
(2) He needs more than one year to be evaluated;
(3) In all fairness, I think he should be given a minimum of three years;
(4) But, if there is no sign of overall team performance in 2019, then I think he's on very shaky ground;
(5) There has got to be forward "progress" in 2019; not a play-off spot, but the general feeling that things are moving in the right direction.
(6) If by the end of 2020 Season, there isn't a positive development in the team's direction, Gettleman will be dropped, fired, kicked out the door.
(7) And, so too, the Head Coach.
(8) Bottom line, they both have two more years to show us what they've got!
Agree on all counts.
I keep saying that we are all frustrated since 2012, having not won anywhere near consistently, but DG can't worry about that. He's not worried about past failures in as much as he's got to follow his plan. Last year was rocky. On to the second year.
Next two years are huge, esp with the OBJ trade in the books.
Behind DG, I was a fan of the hire, I like what he's done and I like what he's doing. He's getting rid of the rot and making the culture what he thinks it should be. This isn't an overnight fix, we had a locker room full of big mouths and dopes and guys who put themselves over the team on multiple occasions. He wants guys who want to play football first and tweet second or third or not at all. Every single player we have traded away or cut has been a me first type, look at me type and that doesn't get it done in football unless the talent is overwhelming and it isn't.
Reese and Ross gutted the OL, ignored RBs and just marveled at the basketball on grass idea and we had a soft flimsy roster because of it. This is and always will be a physical game for big men and we didn't have enough size, grit or toughness. Now the diva is gone, the lawyer is gone, the "humble" my ass 21 is gone and pouty moody Vernon is gone. In their place is a tenacious WR who is physical in all aspects, a RG in the top 5 of the league who plays with an edge and a young promising S who looks to be versatile, talented and smart. Throw in Markus Golden, who has had some rough years but clearly has talent and was beloved in AZ and you see what he's doing.
Last year he adds Barkley, Hernandez, Hill, and Carter, 3 sure fire starting caliber players at RB, LG and DE and a big fast OLB who should be starting in year 2. He has 12 picks this year and he's going to keep building and I can't wait to watch it unfold.
Once again confirming that Joey is my all time favorite football poster on this site.
He might have his faults, but DG has 100% addressed the OL which is arguably the biggest reason behind Eli's poor play. And I would've had no problem moving on from Eli last year.
Hell, you can argue that fixing the OL is paramount to ensuring the next QB has a chance to succeed.
He certainly has *tried*. I do think that Zeitler is going to help, but last year's OL had a lot of 'try' and not a lot of success. We'll have to wait and see if that improves this year, or maybe there was a reason the Browns decided to move on from Zeitler (beyond having a younger player waiting in the wings to move up).
I don't know how you say Eli played well once they got the o line Â
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In comment 14344760 Joey in VA said:
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Behind DG, I was a fan of the hire, I like what he's done and I like what he's doing. He's getting rid of the rot and making the culture what he thinks it should be. This isn't an overnight fix, we had a locker room full of big mouths and dopes and guys who put themselves over the team on multiple occasions. He wants guys who want to play football first and tweet second or third or not at all. Every single player we have traded away or cut has been a me first type, look at me type and that doesn't get it done in football unless the talent is overwhelming and it isn't.
Reese and Ross gutted the OL, ignored RBs and just marveled at the basketball on grass idea and we had a soft flimsy roster because of it. This is and always will be a physical game for big men and we didn't have enough size, grit or toughness. Now the diva is gone, the lawyer is gone, the "humble" my ass 21 is gone and pouty moody Vernon is gone. In their place is a tenacious WR who is physical in all aspects, a RG in the top 5 of the league who plays with an edge and a young promising S who looks to be versatile, talented and smart. Throw in Markus Golden, who has had some rough years but clearly has talent and was beloved in AZ and you see what he's doing.
Last year he adds Barkley, Hernandez, Hill, and Carter, 3 sure fire starting caliber players at RB, LG and DE and a big fast OLB who should be starting in year 2. He has 12 picks this year and he's going to keep building and I can't wait to watch it unfold.
Agree 100%
+2. Me too. I don't get the bashing, he's been here for 1 year. He had a really good draft and we improved. IMO for some its all, and only, about not picking a QB last year.
I'm as skeptical as any, but the media is mostly effing clueless. I'm not sure what their opinion is some sort of bar for how good these decisions are.
A year ago the market determined that OBJ was worth $18MM per year. Now we get that money back (except for the dead money loss this year) plus a first round pick, a second round pick, and Peppers (plus turned a 5th round pick into a fourth rounder).
If Gettleman can turn that haul into 4 or 5 quality starters -- and I think he can -- this trade was an absolute steal for the Giants.
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we’re this universally mocked by the national media.
-Blindly sticking with Eli
who says we are blindly sticking with Eli? please elaborate
Referencing the Philly game last year as a reason. Referencing the second half this year as a reason.
That seems like blindly sticking with Eli to me.
So what would your response have been? Please choose one or make up another if you dont like these choices..
1. Bench Eli for Lauletta who clearly is not the answer and NOT better than Eli.
2. Make a comment that Eli is not in our future (which is what people here want him to say).
3. Cut Eli before we owed him the salary bonus AND before we had a replacement. Then, the no plan talk would have been at an all time high.
4. Signed Fitzpatrick who is 36 yrs old
So, where is the blind part? I just want to know what DG should have done thus far about Eli. What would have been your plan?
Here's what really changed from the first to last 8 games:
1st 8 games:
Sacked 31 times
623 rushing yards averaging 4.2 per carry
77.9 rushing yards per game avg.
last 8 games:
Sacked 16 times
1027 rushing yards averaging 5.0 per carry
128.4 rushing yards per game avg.
Offensive line was the difference.
What that tells me is that Manning's full season numbers, had he had the protection and running game in the first 8 games that he had in the last 8 games could actually be much higher.
A year ago the market determined that OBJ was worth $18MM per year. Now we get that money back (except for the dead money loss this year) plus a first round pick, a second round pick, and Peppers (plus turned a 5th round pick into a fourth rounder).
If Gettleman can turn that haul into 4 or 5 quality starters -- and I think he can -- this trade was an absolute steal for the Giants.
Did the market determine that or did the Giants along with OBJ's agents? I'm not naive enough to think that there weren't some conversations with teams, but at no point was he freely available to be signed elsewhere.
Further - that absolute 'steal' could have been had prior to re-signing him, without the $23M cap hit. That kind of kills the return on the deal.
And that was WITHOUT Beckham for the final four games. Â
Last year we thought we good plug some gaps and compete for a playoff run. we were wrong.
instead of pretending he came in here with a plan and its evolving as envisioned.
See, I don't understand this logic. What else did you expect him to do? He eliminated like half the roster, and jettisoned dead weight. What else, seriously, are people expecting that he should have done? Are people really that hurt that we sucked again? Shouldn't that have been expected when we have had shitty drafts for 10 years, another new GM and a brand new coaching staff and new schemes? And did you want him to pull a decent OL out of his ass day one?
As stupid as that 'Mara listens to Francesa' report sounds Â
Over the last 2 years they've done exactly what Francesa has rambled on about on his show. Almost completely everything he has rambled about. Even right down to the type of compensation they should be seeking in trades. And now I see they're putting Gettleman on the program this afternoon when there's no reason to.
As moronic a take as I first viewed that report to be, I'm going to start believing it soon if the Giants don't give me any reason not to.
No. It's irrefutable.
When he talks about something that was in the past, he is more likely to give an honest comment.
When he talks about something that could happen in the future, every word will be calculated in a way to..
A. not tip his hand on what the real plan is
B. not lose leverage in a potential future deal
So, when some of you get triggered by a comment about Eli for example.. what benefit does it do to say anything other than something that shows total confidence in Eli? In fact, if he did otherwise, I would have a serious problem with that.
Look back at the OBJ comments from months ago. He said the plan was to keep Odell and you dont give up on talent. The simpletons now are freaking out "but but but he said..." The guy would have lost some leverage in a potential future negotiation if he came out and said "yeah we are seriously considering trading Odell."
You’ve been too positive of late. That in itself is scaring me..:)
He's an idiot
Nilay is waiting for 2025 to be able to stream live video.
When he talks about something that was in the past, he is more likely to give an honest comment.
When he talks about something that could happen in the future, every word will be calculated in a way to..
A. not tip his hand on what the real plan is
B. not lose leverage in a potential future deal
So, when some of you get triggered by a comment about Eli for example.. what benefit does it do to say anything other than something that shows total confidence in Eli? In fact, if he did otherwise, I would have a serious problem with that.
Look back at the OBJ comments from months ago. He said the plan was to keep Odell and you dont give up on talent. The simpletons now are freaking out "but but but he said..." The guy would have lost some leverage in a potential future negotiation if he came out and said "yeah we are seriously considering trading Odell."
Spot on.
See "we didn't sign Beckham to trade him..."
“This narrative that Eli’s overpaid and can’t play is a crock. With the way we ended the season, and what he's making, there really wasn't a decision to make."
Ummm....what in the f***ing f***?
You’ve been too positive of late. That in itself is scaring me..:)
LOL !! No... I am not positive. I am just not going to be negative until I see more. We dont know how the trade will play out yet. Not only does it depend upon the draft picks but also how Peppers and Odell perform over the next couple of years. We also do not know what this final roster is going to be yet for this upcoming season.
Cannot make any predictions yet
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why this wasn't on the app.
Nilay is waiting for 2025 to be able to stream live video.
It was a conference call. Not sure what there really was to stream, unless they wanted fans to be able to listen to live audio of the call.
instead of pretending he came in here with a plan and its evolving as envisioned.
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Behind DG, I was a fan of the hire, I like what he's done and I like what he's doing. He's getting rid of the rot and making the culture what he thinks it should be. This isn't an overnight fix, we had a locker room full of big mouths and dopes and guys who put themselves over the team on multiple occasions. He wants guys who want to play football first and tweet second or third or not at all. Every single player we have traded away or cut has been a me first type, look at me type and that doesn't get it done in football unless the talent is overwhelming and it isn't.
Reese and Ross gutted the OL, ignored RBs and just marveled at the basketball on grass idea and we had a soft flimsy roster because of it. This is and always will be a physical game for big men and we didn't have enough size, grit or toughness. Now the diva is gone, the lawyer is gone, the "humble" my ass 21 is gone and pouty moody Vernon is gone. In their place is a tenacious WR who is physical in all aspects, a RG in the top 5 of the league who plays with an edge and a young promising S who looks to be versatile, talented and smart. Throw in Markus Golden, who has had some rough years but clearly has talent and was beloved in AZ and you see what he's doing.
Last year he adds Barkley, Hernandez, Hill, and Carter, 3 sure fire starting caliber players at RB, LG and DE and a big fast OLB who should be starting in year 2. He has 12 picks this year and he's going to keep building and I can't wait to watch it unfold.
Agree 100%
And the more he pisses off the eternal whiners the more I like him
+infinity
-Blindly sticking with Eli
-Old man Gettleman still thinks it’s the 60’s
-No plan/no vision
It’s amazing to me, I really hope Gettleman proves everyone wrong.
1000% correct
Maybe not 1000% correct? I mean that statement is also him covering his ass a bit, no? I'm behind his moves and an Eli supporter, but it would have been nice to work out a 'restructured' deal...lower the cap hit, extend it so when it comes time to cut bait it makes it easier on the giants.....
instead of pretending he came in here with a plan and its evolving as envisioned.
Exactly. Last year most everything he did blew up in his face and yet he's pretending that it all played out the way he expected.
instead of pretending he came in here with a plan and its evolving as envisioned.
Hitdog, I think we need to make a distinction here. He probably should have said..
1. Our plan has not changed
2. The first year did not turn out as expected but we are going through the process and sticking to the plan.
This means the personnel was not what they expected... combination of people who were here + a few he brought in.
-Blindly sticking with Eli
who says we are blindly sticking with Eli? please elaborate
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Behind DG, I was a fan of the hire, I like what he's done and I like what he's doing. He's getting rid of the rot and making the culture what he thinks it should be. This isn't an overnight fix, we had a locker room full of big mouths and dopes and guys who put themselves over the team on multiple occasions. He wants guys who want to play football first and tweet second or third or not at all. Every single player we have traded away or cut has been a me first type, look at me type and that doesn't get it done in football unless the talent is overwhelming and it isn't.
Reese and Ross gutted the OL, ignored RBs and just marveled at the basketball on grass idea and we had a soft flimsy roster because of it. This is and always will be a physical game for big men and we didn't have enough size, grit or toughness. Now the diva is gone, the lawyer is gone, the "humble" my ass 21 is gone and pouty moody Vernon is gone. In their place is a tenacious WR who is physical in all aspects, a RG in the top 5 of the league who plays with an edge and a young promising S who looks to be versatile, talented and smart. Throw in Markus Golden, who has had some rough years but clearly has talent and was beloved in AZ and you see what he's doing.
Last year he adds Barkley, Hernandez, Hill, and Carter, 3 sure fire starting caliber players at RB, LG and DE and a big fast OLB who should be starting in year 2. He has 12 picks this year and he's going to keep building and I can't wait to watch it unfold.
Agree 100%
Me too.
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conclusion the main reason he's here is he makes John Mara comfortable.I can't help but think if Louis Riddick had become the GM,we'd already be on our way to rebuilding,w/a possible contention by next season.
Meanwhile, Louis Riddick works for ESPN for the last 6 years.
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we’re this universally mocked by the national media.
-Blindly sticking with Eli
who says we are blindly sticking with Eli? please elaborate
Referencing the Philly game last year as a reason. Referencing the second half this year as a reason.
That seems like blindly sticking with Eli to me.
Perhaps,but you've followed the NFL long enough to know it's an old boys network (especially w/the Giants) & Gettleman was one of those old boys that Mara was comfortable with!
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conclusion the main reason he's here is he makes John Mara comfortable.I can't help but think if Louis Riddick had become the GM,we'd already be on our way to rebuilding,w/a possible contention by next season.
Meanwhile, Louis Riddick works for ESPN for the last 6 years.
Makes you wonder why he hasn't been hired
-Blindly sticking with Eli
-Old man Gettleman still thinks it’s the 60’s
-No plan/no vision
It’s amazing to me, I really hope Gettleman proves everyone wrong.
Unfortunately, don't expect it to stop anytime soon. This guy is getting absolutely killed nationally and locally in print media, online media, and on sports radio. The guys on ESPN Radio NY (Canty, Rothenberg, DiPietro) eviscerate him every damn day. If they NYG get off to a bad start next year, you might want to hide under a rock.
-Blindly sticking with Eli
-Old man Gettleman still thinks it’s the 60’s
-No plan/no vision
It’s amazing to me, I really hope Gettleman proves everyone wrong.
I do to and not for Gettlemans sake, as he seems to be a bit douchy too but for the sake of the Giants. I mean, does why does the media think its time to cut Eli and really gives Big (scumbag) Ben and Phil (chokey) Rivers a pass? Do they think its in DG and the Giants best interest to let the media in on 'the plan'? Does that even come close to reality? On the other hand his cockiness and some of his statements really seem to be unnecessarily condescending towards the media and fans...
I feel that he should be judged on this. If the 2019 NYGs are no better than the 2018 NYGs, DG should go. If the 2019 Eli is no better than 2018 Eli and there is no QB of the of the future on the roster to evaluate, DG should go. If he is right about both Eli and the Giants, extend the motherfucker and we should not doubt him anytime time soon. He made bold statements, I like that. He should be held accountable to those statements.
I want him to be correct so badly it hurts. Nothing would make me happier than the Giants and Eli doing well in 2019. It would be even better if OBJ and the Browns struggle.
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conclusion the main reason he's here is he makes John Mara comfortable.I can't help but think if Louis Riddick had become the GM,we'd already be on our way to rebuilding,w/a possible contention by next season.
Meanwhile, Louis Riddick works for ESPN for the last 6 years.
That's true but in a Catch-22 league where it's like a 16 year old trying to get his first job,"We can't hire you w/o experience" "But,how can I get experience if you won't hire me?" John Mara always goes w/comfort especially after the McAdoo debacle!
-Blindly sticking with Eli
-Old man Gettleman still thinks it’s the 60’s
-No plan/no vision
It’s amazing to me, I really hope Gettleman proves everyone wrong.
This team has had it coming for a while. They deserve zero benefit of the doubt...they have to earn it back.
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conclusion the main reason he's here is he makes John Mara comfortable.I can't help but think if Louis Riddick had become the GM,we'd already be on our way to rebuilding,w/a possible contention by next season.
Meanwhile, Louis Riddick works for ESPN for the last 6 years.
Makes you wonder why he hasn't been hired
Certainly does!
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They do get responsive. We saw that in full affect during Eli benching last year. A year later, they are following up a poor season with DG taking heat over Collins and Odell. Wonder how many letters have reached Mara in the past couple weeks.
This number one thing this team needs to do to start restoring confidence is land their franchise QB. Its the biggest question for the franchise. A year ago they elected to pass in favor of their hand of god/ generational running back and I think many are saying that's all fine, but we still need an answer for the most important position --here we are with two first round picks including one in the top 10, are we going to use them in some way, or punt on the QB again?
I said when DG was hired, the huge decisions were coach, the #2 pick, Odell contract, and Eli transition. We are still watching it all unfold, and the jury is very much out.
That’s just it, the number one thing this franchise needs to do is WIN. The qb narrative is out of control. You’re trying to tell me if the giants go 9-7 in 2019 with eli throwing for 4300 yards, 25 tds and 12 ints that the fan base and stupid fucking media wont calm down a bit?
(1) He's not afraid of change;
(2) He needs more than one year to be evaluated;
(3) In all fairness, I think he should be given a minimum of three years;
(4) But, if there is no sign of overall team performance in 2019, then I think he's on very shaky ground;
(5) There has got to be forward "progress" in 2019; not a play-off spot, but the general feeling that things are moving in the right direction.
(6) If by the end of 2020 Season, there isn't a positive development in the team's direction, Gettleman will be dropped, fired, kicked out the door.
(7) And, so too, the Head Coach.
(8) Bottom line, they both have two more years to show us what they've got!
Agree on all counts.
I keep saying that we are all frustrated since 2012, having not won anywhere near consistently, but DG can't worry about that. He's not worried about past failures in as much as he's got to follow his plan. Last year was rocky. On to the second year.
Next two years are huge, esp with the OBJ trade in the books.
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Reese and Ross gutted the OL, ignored RBs and just marveled at the basketball on grass idea and we had a soft flimsy roster because of it. This is and always will be a physical game for big men and we didn't have enough size, grit or toughness. Now the diva is gone, the lawyer is gone, the "humble" my ass 21 is gone and pouty moody Vernon is gone. In their place is a tenacious WR who is physical in all aspects, a RG in the top 5 of the league who plays with an edge and a young promising S who looks to be versatile, talented and smart. Throw in Markus Golden, who has had some rough years but clearly has talent and was beloved in AZ and you see what he's doing.
Last year he adds Barkley, Hernandez, Hill, and Carter, 3 sure fire starting caliber players at RB, LG and DE and a big fast OLB who should be starting in year 2. He has 12 picks this year and he's going to keep building and I can't wait to watch it unfold.
Once again confirming that Joey is my all time favorite football poster on this site.
He might have his faults, but DG has 100% addressed the OL which is arguably the biggest reason behind Eli's poor play. And I would've had no problem moving on from Eli last year.
Hell, you can argue that fixing the OL is paramount to ensuring the next QB has a chance to succeed.
He certainly has *tried*. I do think that Zeitler is going to help, but last year's OL had a lot of 'try' and not a lot of success. We'll have to wait and see if that improves this year, or maybe there was a reason the Browns decided to move on from Zeitler (beyond having a younger player waiting in the wings to move up).
And now, you've traded the best player on offense.
It won't happen until after the draft if it's their plan, I wouldn't rule it out.
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Behind DG, I was a fan of the hire, I like what he's done and I like what he's doing. He's getting rid of the rot and making the culture what he thinks it should be. This isn't an overnight fix, we had a locker room full of big mouths and dopes and guys who put themselves over the team on multiple occasions. He wants guys who want to play football first and tweet second or third or not at all. Every single player we have traded away or cut has been a me first type, look at me type and that doesn't get it done in football unless the talent is overwhelming and it isn't.
Reese and Ross gutted the OL, ignored RBs and just marveled at the basketball on grass idea and we had a soft flimsy roster because of it. This is and always will be a physical game for big men and we didn't have enough size, grit or toughness. Now the diva is gone, the lawyer is gone, the "humble" my ass 21 is gone and pouty moody Vernon is gone. In their place is a tenacious WR who is physical in all aspects, a RG in the top 5 of the league who plays with an edge and a young promising S who looks to be versatile, talented and smart. Throw in Markus Golden, who has had some rough years but clearly has talent and was beloved in AZ and you see what he's doing.
Last year he adds Barkley, Hernandez, Hill, and Carter, 3 sure fire starting caliber players at RB, LG and DE and a big fast OLB who should be starting in year 2. He has 12 picks this year and he's going to keep building and I can't wait to watch it unfold.
Agree 100%
+2. Me too. I don't get the bashing, he's been here for 1 year. He had a really good draft and we improved. IMO for some its all, and only, about not picking a QB last year.
I'm as skeptical as any, but the media is mostly effing clueless. I'm not sure what their opinion is some sort of bar for how good these decisions are.
A year ago the market determined that OBJ was worth $18MM per year. Now we get that money back (except for the dead money loss this year) plus a first round pick, a second round pick, and Peppers (plus turned a 5th round pick into a fourth rounder).
If Gettleman can turn that haul into 4 or 5 quality starters -- and I think he can -- this trade was an absolute steal for the Giants.
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we’re this universally mocked by the national media.
-Blindly sticking with Eli
who says we are blindly sticking with Eli? please elaborate
Referencing the Philly game last year as a reason. Referencing the second half this year as a reason.
That seems like blindly sticking with Eli to me.
So what would your response have been? Please choose one or make up another if you dont like these choices..
1. Bench Eli for Lauletta who clearly is not the answer and NOT better than Eli.
2. Make a comment that Eli is not in our future (which is what people here want him to say).
3. Cut Eli before we owed him the salary bonus AND before we had a replacement. Then, the no plan talk would have been at an all time high.
4. Signed Fitzpatrick who is 36 yrs old
So, where is the blind part? I just want to know what DG should have done thus far about Eli. What would have been your plan?
Oh, it's coming.
And now, you've traded the best player on offense.
Eli Manning's last 8 games:
66% comp - 1922 yards - 13 TD - 5 Int - 99.86 QB Rating
Here's Eli's final numbers for 2018 (full season)
66% comp - 4299 yards - 21 TD - 11 Int - 92.4 QB Rating
Here's what really changed from the first to last 8 games:
1st 8 games:
Sacked 31 times
623 rushing yards averaging 4.2 per carry
77.9 rushing yards per game avg.
last 8 games:
Sacked 16 times
1027 rushing yards averaging 5.0 per carry
128.4 rushing yards per game avg.
Offensive line was the difference.
What that tells me is that Manning's full season numbers, had he had the protection and running game in the first 8 games that he had in the last 8 games could actually be much higher.
A year ago the market determined that OBJ was worth $18MM per year. Now we get that money back (except for the dead money loss this year) plus a first round pick, a second round pick, and Peppers (plus turned a 5th round pick into a fourth rounder).
If Gettleman can turn that haul into 4 or 5 quality starters -- and I think he can -- this trade was an absolute steal for the Giants.
Did the market determine that or did the Giants along with OBJ's agents? I'm not naive enough to think that there weren't some conversations with teams, but at no point was he freely available to be signed elsewhere.
Further - that absolute 'steal' could have been had prior to re-signing him, without the $23M cap hit. That kind of kills the return on the deal.
instead of pretending he came in here with a plan and its evolving as envisioned.
See, I don't understand this logic. What else did you expect him to do? He eliminated like half the roster, and jettisoned dead weight. What else, seriously, are people expecting that he should have done? Are people really that hurt that we sucked again? Shouldn't that have been expected when we have had shitty drafts for 10 years, another new GM and a brand new coaching staff and new schemes? And did you want him to pull a decent OL out of his ass day one?
As moronic a take as I first viewed that report to be, I'm going to start believing it soon if the Giants don't give me any reason not to.