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GiantsRage2007 : 3/18/2019 9:55 am
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RE: No,  
2cents : 3/18/2019 12:56 pm : link
In comment 14345101 Go Terps said:
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the narrative is that if you went 5-11 last year you should stop citing any part of it as a success, because it wasn't.

Again, I like most of the moves Gettleman has made this offseason. But they don't offset his terrible 2018, and they don't make it OK to pay Eli $23M when we could have saved $17M by cutting him. That isn't OK.


I firmly belief ownership is calling the shots with eli, whether thats right or wrong can be debated. but i think if they were fully hands off, eli would not be on the team. Also there is still plenty of opportunity to bring in a young qb, it would leave them pretty desperate if they cut Eli before they have someone else on board and could handcuff them in trying to make a move. literally the only rationalize i have left.
RE: ...  
Greg from LI : 3/18/2019 12:58 pm : link
In comment 14345114 Eric from BBI said:
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But I think most of us feel like they were playing more competitive football than they were in 2017.


That is a really, really low bar to clear.
The common denominator  
Les in TO : 3/18/2019 1:00 pm : link
Through the losing has been number 10. He Dilfered two Super Bowls and unless the defense regains that form we’re in for a repeat of the last seven years. But with Eli, emotion trumps logic and Father Time.
RE: No,  
chuckydee9 : 3/18/2019 1:00 pm : link
In comment 14345101 Go Terps said:
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the narrative is that if you went 5-11 last year you should stop citing any part of it as a success, because it wasn't.

Again, I like most of the moves Gettleman has made this offseason. But they don't offset his terrible 2018, and they don't make it OK to pay Eli $23M when we could have saved $17M by cutting him. That isn't OK.


$17 Million can cover up a lot of holes for multiple years.. We could've had the top Rt and Center for that money and I believe that helps our team more than the drop from Someone like Eli to Fitzpatrick..
How exactly did they nail the draft last year?  
RollBlue : 3/18/2019 1:01 pm : link
Picked a great RB second overall - still to be determined if the opportunity cost (passing on taking a QB) will be steep. Hernandez looks ok so far, not sure he was better than Pugh as a rookie, but certainly has promise. Hill looked pretty good, Carter didn't do much - Lauletta???, McIntosh??? Picking second overall in each round, that group above doesn't jump out to me as a slam dunk by any means.

Reese obsolutely nailed the 2007 draft, which was a BIG factor in winning SB42. Then Got JPP and Cruz to help win 46, but he's labeled as a complete buffoon around here now.
Greg from LI  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/18/2019 1:01 pm : link
Yes it is. But it is not incorrect to say that the Giants were playing "better" as a team. They didn't quit. They didn't collapse.

And perhaps not coincidentally, the guy who left the field early, has issues with water, and couldn't play the last four games after playing the previous one with the same injury just got traded.
RE: The common denominator  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/18/2019 1:03 pm : link
In comment 14345123 Les in TO said:
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Through the losing has been number 10. He Dilfered two Super Bowls and unless the defense regains that form we’re in for a repeat of the last seven years. But with Eli, emotion trumps logic and Father Time.


"Dilfered two Super Bowls" - This may be the dumbest comment I've ever read in the 25 years of this site.
RE: RE: No,  
chuckydee9 : 3/18/2019 1:04 pm : link
In comment 14345115 2cents said:
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In comment 14345101 Go Terps said:


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the narrative is that if you went 5-11 last year you should stop citing any part of it as a success, because it wasn't.

Again, I like most of the moves Gettleman has made this offseason. But they don't offset his terrible 2018, and they don't make it OK to pay Eli $23M when we could have saved $17M by cutting him. That isn't OK.



I firmly belief ownership is calling the shots with eli, whether thats right or wrong can be debated. but i think if they were fully hands off, eli would not be on the team. Also there is still plenty of opportunity to bring in a young qb, it would leave them pretty desperate if they cut Eli before they have someone else on board and could handcuff them in trying to make a move. literally the only rationalize i have left.


This is what worries me and it scary as shit.. For the past 3 years decisions have been made differently for all other payers than Eli.. I personally won't be surprised if we extend Eli next year because Tua looks injury prone and other QBs are not guranteed to be good
it truly sounds  
santacruzom : 3/18/2019 1:05 pm : link
as though the Giants accept the first half of the season as the inevitable period of struggle that accompanies a massive roster turnover and new system, and then point to the offense's improved performance (or at least, higher scores) as evidence that things were finally clicking in a sustainable and repeatable way.

I'm... skeptical.
RE: RE: I don't know how you say Eli played well once they got the o line  
mikeinbloomfield : 3/18/2019 1:06 pm : link
In comment 14344966 Britt in VA said:
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In comment 14344950 mikeinbloomfield said:


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fixed. He was as up and down the end of the year as he was in the beginning. His passer rating was 99 against Dallas and 68 against Houston.

And now, you've traded the best player on offense.



Eli Manning's last 8 games:

66% comp - 1922 yards - 13 TD - 5 Int - 99.86 QB Rating

Here's Eli's final numbers for 2018 (full season)

66% comp - 4299 yards - 21 TD - 11 Int - 92.4 QB Rating

Here's what really changed from the first to last 8 games:

1st 8 games:

Sacked 31 times
623 rushing yards averaging 4.2 per carry
77.9 rushing yards per game avg.

last 8 games:

Sacked 16 times
1027 rushing yards averaging 5.0 per carry
128.4 rushing yards per game avg.


Offensive line was the difference.

What that tells me is that Manning's full season numbers, had he had the protection and running game in the first 8 games that he had in the last 8 games could actually be much higher.


Going by the numbers on ESPN (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/gamelog/_/id/5526/eli-manning) I get 99.85 for the first half and 92.06 for the last eight games. So, markedly worse. In addition, he was up and down like I said. Three of his below-80 rating games came in the back half and three in first half.
RE: RE: The common denominator  
dep026 : 3/18/2019 1:07 pm : link
In comment 14345129 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 14345123 Les in TO said:


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Through the losing has been number 10. He Dilfered two Super Bowls and unless the defense regains that form we’re in for a repeat of the last seven years. But with Eli, emotion trumps logic and Father Time.



"Dilfered two Super Bowls" - This may be the dumbest comment I've ever read in the 25 years of this site.


He's been trolling this site for years. Its amazing no one else sees it.
RE: RE: The common denominator  
lax counsel : 3/18/2019 1:10 pm : link
In comment 14345129 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 14345123 Les in TO said:


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Through the losing has been number 10. He Dilfered two Super Bowls and unless the defense regains that form we’re in for a repeat of the last seven years. But with Eli, emotion trumps logic and Father Time.



"Dilfered two Super Bowls" - This may be the dumbest comment I've ever read in the 25 years of this site.


By definition, you cannot "Dilfer" two superbowls. Brad Johnson "Dilfered" a SB, Nick Foles, slightly more than "Dilfered" a SB. Eli Manning was anything but a Dilfer in those runs.
RE: Two things  
The 12th Man : 3/18/2019 1:12 pm : link
In comment 14345076 Go Terps said:
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One - you don't get to just cut the season up however you want. Last year's Giants averaged 23 points a game. It wasn't a good offense.

Two - Even if they'd averaged 50 points a game last year, this is a different year and a different team.

What we know is the Giants are paying $23M for a 38 year old QB who is far from an elite player. That is bad business.


Oh, I get it, you have to look at the total train wreck. You can not evaluate players when they came in and played better at the end of the year. So when we evaluate players and positions we have to focus from game 1 only. Thank God you are not the GM. Some of the people or should I say most of the people that made the O suck are gone. You never answer the actual question, Does Rivers, Ben R, Brady, Brees suck? Why don't they suck? BECAUSE THEY HAVE A FUCKING OL!!!!!!!! next question WHY ARE YOU SO THICK IN THE HEAD? ELI IS NOT THE PROBLEM. If he is unsuccessful with the OL we are putting together this year then knock yourself out. When your QB is always on his back right after the snap how do you expect him to function? You need to have a quality OL we have not had that in a long time.
Gettleman  
Carson53 : 3/18/2019 1:13 pm : link
is a 'crock', every time somebody disagrees with what he has said or done, 'that's a crock'.
When somebody points out during his end of season presser, that some of their wins came against backup QB's,
'that's a crock'.
Eli is overpaid, 'that's a crock'.
He amuses himself at least.
To not make Eli with a 23 mill. cap hit take a pay cut,
is just plain ludicrous!
To zero surprise  
The_Boss : 3/18/2019 1:14 pm : link
Gettleman getting absolutely lit up on WFAN.
DG has been a terrific  
Jimmy Googs : 3/18/2019 1:14 pm : link
what?
RE: To zero surprise  
DavidinBMNY : 3/18/2019 1:15 pm : link
In comment 14345169 The_Boss said:
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Gettleman getting absolutely lit up on WFAN.
Why the heck did they make him do this conference? No sense.
RE: I'm unabashedly  
LIbud : 3/18/2019 1:16 pm : link
In comment 14344760 Joey in VA said:
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Behind DG, I was a fan of the hire, I like what he's done and I like what he's doing. He's getting rid of the rot and making the culture what he thinks it should be. This isn't an overnight fix, we had a locker room full of big mouths and dopes and guys who put themselves over the team on multiple occasions. He wants guys who want to play football first and tweet second or third or not at all. Every single player we have traded away or cut has been a me first type, look at me type and that doesn't get it done in football unless the talent is overwhelming and it isn't.

Reese and Ross gutted the OL, ignored RBs and just marveled at the basketball on grass idea and we had a soft flimsy roster because of it. This is and always will be a physical game for big men and we didn't have enough size, grit or toughness. Now the diva is gone, the lawyer is gone, the "humble" my ass 21 is gone and pouty moody Vernon is gone. In their place is a tenacious WR who is physical in all aspects, a RG in the top 5 of the league who plays with an edge and a young promising S who looks to be versatile, talented and smart. Throw in Markus Golden, who has had some rough years but clearly has talent and was beloved in AZ and you see what he's doing.

Last year he adds Barkley, Hernandez, Hill, and Carter, 3 sure fire starting caliber players at RB, LG and DE and a big fast OLB who should be starting in year 2. He has 12 picks this year and he's going to keep building and I can't wait to watch it unfold.




Me too
RE: RE: Two things  
Carson53 : 3/18/2019 1:16 pm : link
In comment 14345164 The 12th Man said:
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In comment 14345076 Go Terps said:


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One - you don't get to just cut the season up however you want. Last year's Giants averaged 23 points a game. It wasn't a good offense.

Two - Even if they'd averaged 50 points a game last year, this is a different year and a different team.

What we know is the Giants are paying $23M for a 38 year old QB who is far from an elite player. That is bad business.



Oh, I get it, you have to look at the total train wreck. You can not evaluate players when they came in and played better at the end of the year. So when we evaluate players and positions we have to focus from game 1 only. Thank God you are not the GM. Some of the people or should I say most of the people that made the O suck are gone. You never answer the actual question, Does Rivers, Ben R, Brady, Brees suck? Why don't they suck? BECAUSE THEY HAVE A FUCKING OL!!!!!!!! next question WHY ARE YOU SO THICK IN THE HEAD? ELI IS NOT THE PROBLEM. If he is unsuccessful with the OL we are putting together this year then knock yourself out. When your QB is always on his back right after the snap how do you expect him to function? You need to have a quality OL we have not had that in a long time.
.

Well Eli is certainly no solution around here, it's been
like that for a few years now. So if you are not part of the solution, hence you are part of the problem.
Sure there are other problems here as well.
For me, that presser...  
bw in dc : 3/18/2019 1:19 pm : link
just underscored that they think Eli is still the right trigger man to help them compete for big prizes.

And for a number of years with Eli.

I continue to find that absolutely impossible to reconcile as a legitimate strategy.

...  
christian : 3/18/2019 1:21 pm : link
It's not that Manning can't function when paired with an adequate line and adequate weapons. That's obvious.

The primary question is how long will it take for that to happen and how many functional years does Manning have left.

Yet again the Giants likely have 3/5 of a new line. The Giants have a pretty unimpressive core of receivers. Defenses will sell out to stop Barkley, and Manning is a year older.
RE: To zero surprise  
dep026 : 3/18/2019 1:22 pm : link
In comment 14345169 The_Boss said:
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Gettleman getting absolutely lit up on WFAN.


By people who dont understand how to tie their shoes. The mob mentality over this OBJ trade is quite humorous.

The analysis of Eli Manning's  
Dnew15 : 3/18/2019 1:22 pm : link
stats during this period vs that period OR in this game vs that game is ridiculous.

No one cares any more. He's getting paid more than anyone on this team, plays the most important position on the field, and HAS to take more responsibility for what actually plays out on the field more than any other PLAYER on the team.

He is 38-57 the past 6 years.
He has led the Giants to one playoff birth in the last 6 years.
He has led this team to a last or 2nd to last finish in the NFC east 5 of the last six years.

Who gives a shit how well he played against the Eagles two years ago in a regular season game.
Who gives a shit about how the offense was marginally better against a run of BS games to close out a meaningless season.

I love him - but his HofF career is over. Everyone knows how this scenario plays out. We've seen this move over and over again. It's time to move on b/c we've seen how it ends. At this point anyone trying to defend this move of running Eli out there as the only QB option again this year is either overly optimistic or just plain dumb.


I also don't know  
Carson53 : 3/18/2019 1:25 pm : link
how DG can say with a straight face, that trading OBJ was
because they 'got an offer they couldn't refuse'.
I am not too sure about that, the third round pick is the
Pats pick at the end of the round. I believe the Pats had traded that 3rd pick to the Brownies, for Danny Shelton.
I think he could have got a little more, that's how I feel.
Maybe a first, second and Peppers. At least, their earlier
3rd Rd. Pick (their own pick).
RE: The common denominator  
bw in dc : 3/18/2019 1:25 pm : link
In comment 14345123 Les in TO said:
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Through the losing has been number 10. He Dilfered two Super Bowls and unless the defense regains that form we’re in for a repeat of the last seven years. But with Eli, emotion trumps logic and Father Time.


I think you post some great stuff. And nobody is more irritated with Eli and the Mannings more than me. But Dilfer was a total passenger on that Ravens team in 2000.

If that D had their way that year, they would have run the Wildcat with Jamal.
RE: Greg from LI  
Giants38 : 3/18/2019 1:26 pm : link
In comment 14345127 Eric from BBI said:
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Yes it is. But it is not incorrect to say that the Giants were playing "better" as a team. They didn't quit. They didn't collapse.

And perhaps not coincidentally, the guy who left the field early, has issues with water, and couldn't play the last four games after playing the previous one with the same injury just got traded.


I honestly don’t care what we looked like in a small sample size without Beckham. If you want to see the horrifying splits, look at Eli’s numbers with and without OBJ since OBJ entered the league. That will not paint a pretty picture for the gallery here.

This is Groundhog Day, and I voted according on the BBI poll. But DAG has pulled the wool over many eyes here. A whopping 49% are optimistic. I have no idea where that comes from. Just look at Twitter and see the laughingstock we’ve become to objective people. But some numbnut GM wants to run it back with Eli again and will build around him to this team’s long term detriment, again. I can’t believe this.
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arcarsenal : 3/18/2019 1:27 pm : link
Lol. Anyone who says Eli "Dilfered" two super bowls should have their fucking handle deleted.
RE: RE: Two things  
Go Terps : 3/18/2019 1:29 pm : link
In comment 14345164 The 12th Man said:
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In comment 14345076 Go Terps said:


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One - you don't get to just cut the season up however you want. Last year's Giants averaged 23 points a game. It wasn't a good offense.

Two - Even if they'd averaged 50 points a game last year, this is a different year and a different team.

What we know is the Giants are paying $23M for a 38 year old QB who is far from an elite player. That is bad business.



Oh, I get it, you have to look at the total train wreck. You can not evaluate players when they came in and played better at the end of the year. So when we evaluate players and positions we have to focus from game 1 only. Thank God you are not the GM. Some of the people or should I say most of the people that made the O suck are gone. You never answer the actual question, Does Rivers, Ben R, Brady, Brees suck? Why don't they suck? BECAUSE THEY HAVE A FUCKING OL!!!!!!!! next question WHY ARE YOU SO THICK IN THE HEAD? ELI IS NOT THE PROBLEM. If he is unsuccessful with the OL we are putting together this year then knock yourself out. When your QB is always on his back right after the snap how do you expect him to function? You need to have a quality OL we have not had that in a long time.


It's harder to build an offensive line when you're overpaying your QB.

As for me not being the GM, I don't know. I could argue I've been ahead of the GMs on this team on some major shit since about 2016.



RE: RE: I don't know how you say Eli played well once they got the o line  
clatterbuck : 3/18/2019 1:31 pm : link
In comment 14344966 Britt in VA said:
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In comment 14344950 mikeinbloomfield said:


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fixed. He was as up and down the end of the year as he was in the beginning. His passer rating was 99 against Dallas and 68 against Houston.

And now, you've traded the best player on offense.



Eli Manning's last 8 games:

66% comp - 1922 yards - 13 TD - 5 Int - 99.86 QB Rating

Here's Eli's final numbers for 2018 (full season)

66% comp - 4299 yards - 21 TD - 11 Int - 92.4 QB Rating

Here's what really changed from the first to last 8 games:

1st 8 games:

Sacked 31 times
623 rushing yards averaging 4.2 per carry
77.9 rushing yards per game avg.

last 8 games:

Sacked 16 times
1027 rushing yards averaging 5.0 per carry
128.4 rushing yards per game avg.


Offensive line was the difference.

What that tells me is that Manning's full season numbers, had he had the protection and running game in the first 8 games that he had in the last 8 games could actually be much higher.


There you go letting facts get in the way of a narrative.
You would think this guy is George Young the way being critical  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/18/2019 1:31 pm : link
incites people.
Don't shoot the messenger....  
Britt in VA : 3/18/2019 1:32 pm : link
people asked about the supposed mirage of improvement of the offensive line in the second half of the season.

I posted the numbers. Sacks went way down. Rushing went way up. Passing stayed steady. We scored a lot of points. That's improvement of the offensive line. I'm sorry if it doesn't fit with what some of you thought you saw.
RE: .  
Carson53 : 3/18/2019 1:34 pm : link
In comment 14345214 arcarsenal said:
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Lol. Anyone who says Eli "Dilfered" two super bowls should have their fucking handle deleted.
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That's right, give Eli his due, he was great the entire
2011 season IMO. He was clutch at the end of 2007 SB run.
I may not be happy with him now, folks lets not get carried away with it. When he is gone, I'll certainly appreciate
his durability at QB.
And Zeitler is going to make it even better this year.  
Britt in VA : 3/18/2019 1:35 pm : link
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How is the full video of this not up yet on the Giants website?  
Torrag : 3/18/2019 1:36 pm : link
Fail. Same goes for BBI front page. The GM holds his post 1st wave of FA and not a mention.

Guess the Mods are too busy running and stickying their own Mock drafts. LOL.
It was a conference call.  
Britt in VA : 3/18/2019 1:37 pm : link
Not a traditional press conference.
RE: RE: RE: Two things  
The 12th Man : 3/18/2019 1:38 pm : link
In comment 14345221 Go Terps said:
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In comment 14345164 The 12th Man said:


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In comment 14345076 Go Terps said:


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One - you don't get to just cut the season up however you want. Last year's Giants averaged 23 points a game. It wasn't a good offense.

Two - Even if they'd averaged 50 points a game last year, this is a different year and a different team.

What we know is the Giants are paying $23M for a 38 year old QB who is far from an elite player. That is bad business.



Oh, I get it, you have to look at the total train wreck. You can not evaluate players when they came in and played better at the end of the year. So when we evaluate players and positions we have to focus from game 1 only. Thank God you are not the GM. Some of the people or should I say most of the people that made the O suck are gone. You never answer the actual question, Does Rivers, Ben R, Brady, Brees suck? Why don't they suck? BECAUSE THEY HAVE A FUCKING OL!!!!!!!! next question WHY ARE YOU SO THICK IN THE HEAD? ELI IS NOT THE PROBLEM. If he is unsuccessful with the OL we are putting together this year then knock yourself out. When your QB is always on his back right after the snap how do you expect him to function? You need to have a quality OL we have not had that in a long time.



It's harder to build an offensive line when you're overpaying your QB.

As for me not being the GM, I don't know. I could argue I've been ahead of the GMs on this team on some major shit since about 2016.



What is the going rate for an NFL QB. They are paying him what he is worth?
RE: And Zeitler is going to make it even better this year.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/18/2019 1:39 pm : link
In comment 14345247 Britt in VA said:
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Right up until the point where they play a defense that knows what they're doing and wants to make a point.
RE: How is the full video of this not up yet on the Giants website?  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/18/2019 1:40 pm : link
In comment 14345254 Torrag said:
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Fail. Same goes for BBI front page. The GM holds his post 1st wave of FA and not a mention.

Guess the Mods are too busy running and stickying their own Mock drafts. LOL.


The press conference was held at 11AM. I don't have the transcript yet. As soon as it is released, I will post it. As I always do. There is no video because it was a conference call.

RE: .  
Pep22 : 3/18/2019 1:40 pm : link
In comment 14345214 arcarsenal said:
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Lol. Anyone who says Eli "Dilfered" two super bowls should have their fucking handle deleted.



Agreed. Too strong of a statement. Were either great performances? Was scoring 17 and 21 the kind of output we thought necessary to win those SBs? No and no. But they surely weren't "Dilfer'd". They were solid and most important, mistake free.
'It was a conference cal'..l.  
Torrag : 3/18/2019 1:41 pm : link
Thx but then where is the link to the full transcript? And why isn't that up on Giants.com? Still a fail.
RE: You can't pigeon hole a GM after 1 season...  
TMS : 3/18/2019 1:43 pm : link
In comment 14345090 ryanmkeane said:
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Gettleman has been the GM of the team for yup...all of 1 season. He made some good draft picks, and just corrected our cap situation for 2020. We will have possibly the most cap room in all of football next year. Guess nobody wants to talk about that part.
Agree and the rest have done a good job so far. But typical Giant, dark side critics, will criticize most things, then join the band wagon, if it works and never mention their past BS. Used to it myself.
RE: RE: The common denominator  
OBJ_AllDay : 3/18/2019 1:47 pm : link
In comment 14345129 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 14345123 Les in TO said:


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Through the losing has been number 10. He Dilfered two Super Bowls and unless the defense regains that form we’re in for a repeat of the last seven years. But with Eli, emotion trumps logic and Father Time.



"Dilfered two Super Bowls" - This may be the dumbest comment I've ever read in the 25 years of this site.


Agreed
RE: Greg from LI  
TMS : 3/18/2019 1:50 pm : link
In comment 14345127 Eric from BBI said:
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Yes it is. But it is not incorrect to say that the Giants were playing "better" as a team. They didn't quit. They didn't collapse.

And perhaps not coincidentally, the guy who left the field early, has issues with water, and couldn't play the last four games after playing the previous one with the same injury just got traded.
like your comments on OBJ sitting the last four games because of injury. Think he was sending a message. I want out. He got his wish. We will see.
RE: It was a conference call.  
Diver_Down : 3/18/2019 2:04 pm : link
In comment 14345257 Britt in VA said:
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Not a traditional press conference.


Even still the audio should have been streamed or at the least available (by now) for listening. Instead, fans are left to discern what DG said based on twitter posts by some reporters who frankly have an agenda (Pat Leonard). I've been listening to sound bytes on NFL Live, and quite frankly the Eli part sounds different coming direct from DG than the twitter posts.
RE: RE: DG's ability to  
Dnew15 : 3/18/2019 2:04 pm : link
In comment 14345102 The 12th Man said:
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In comment 14344887 Dnew15 said:


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cherry pick games from Eli's previous year to defend why he is the starting QB again the next year is nauseating.

Please stop.

If you look at his body of work in its entirety for past 4 seasons - any sane person can see it's time to move on.



This is the part where people start banging their heads against the wall. Over the last 4 years we all knew that the OL has been the issue. Yet, you can not give credit where credit is due. Eli played better down the stretch when he had protection this is an absolute fact. Now read between the lines, he told you they discussed a contract extension. If DG wanted to give one he would have done it before this bonus hit today. This means ELI needs to prove it with the new OL to stay or he is gone after this year.


Are you kidding me with this?
The Eli Manning led Giants won 4 of the last 8.
They beat three equally hopeless teams (SF, TB, Wash) playing for nothing with backup QBs and had a nice showing against the Bears (who were also playing with a backup QB - but put up a good game against a good def).
Eli Manning passing yardages those last 8 games were:
180,196,276,197,175,213,309,298.
To blindly follow the idea that Eli's 2nd half "resurgence" is clearly going to set this team up for future success is just silly.
Said it before I'll say it again.  
Johnny5 : 3/18/2019 2:12 pm : link
Honestly I SO want this offense to just really kick ass this year just to shut everyone the hell up about Eli already.
When Gettleman called the Bills after seeing their interest  
GeofromNJ : 3/18/2019 2:14 pm : link
in Antonio Brown, he may have asked for Josh Allen and the Bills said, no way. Just a guess on my part, but if DG did this, credit to him for trying. It would have been a franchise saving trade.
RE: Said it before I'll say it again.  
Dnew15 : 3/18/2019 2:16 pm : link
In comment 14345390 Johnny5 said:
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Honestly I SO want this offense to just really kick ass this year just to shut everyone the hell up about Eli already.


What if it doesn't?
You going to say the same thing again next year?
RE: RE: Said it before I'll say it again.  
Johnny5 : 3/18/2019 2:16 pm : link
In comment 14345415 Dnew15 said:
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In comment 14345390 Johnny5 said:


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Honestly I SO want this offense to just really kick ass this year just to shut everyone the hell up about Eli already.



What if it doesn't?
You going to say the same thing again next year?

No, why would I?
It's not about Eli leading us for the next 10 years. It's about  
yatqb : 3/18/2019 2:21 pm : link
trying to win as many games as possible while rebuilding AND finding our next QB.

The FO has said time and again that finding our next QB is one of the major tasks going forward. They've also said that picking the wrong guy can set you back years.

Imo they're trying hard to find the next guy, but also recognizing that we need a lot more talent all around the roster to be a good team. So they're trying to do two things at once in a situation where there isn't an easy fix.

Maybe they were wrong not to take Darnold, Allen or Rosen last year. Time will tell whether any of those guys are franchise QBs. But at this point there's no one better equipped than Eli to lead the team this year. He's older, worse, perhaps shell shocked from past OL play, but still better than anyone else available.

I'm hoping that we select one of the 1st round QBs this year. But if not I'm hoping that we add the final piece to the OL and then make our defense as physical and fast as possible, and perhaps become a team that can win with a game manager because it's so good elsewhere.

This may be a two season project. We're 8/24 over the past two years, so it may take two drafts to bring us up to the quality of teams in our Division like Dallas and Philly. But I'd argue that we have more potential to do so after the OBJ trade and acquisition of Zeitler than we were two weeks ago.
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