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Ryan Dunleavy & #10004; @rydunleavy Gettleman says reports he was offered a first-round pick for Landon Collins aren't close to true. As I reported, the best they were offered was a 4th: https://www.nj.com/giants/2019/03/giants-best-offer-for-landon-collins-before-trade-deadline-was-4th-round-nfl-draft-pick-can-they-get-better-now.html … #giants #nygiants #redskins |
Well, we'll see what the Comp Pick is (or isn't) when all of the dust settles on FA signings.
4th this yr, v hopes for a compensatory 3rd next?
And for everyone who is now suddenly jumping to the narrative of "well why didn't he take it!" - you'll probably never know. Things change. Its pretty obvious though that he'd prefer to get something from a player before they leave than to let them walk for nothing.
4th this yr, v hopes for a compensatory 3rd next?
If he took the 4th, BBI would be complaining he can't negotiate and didn't hold out for a 3rd!
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that is the weird part taht will never go away
4th this yr, v hopes for a compensatory 3rd next?
If he took the 4th, BBI would be complaining he can't negotiate and didn't hold out for a 3rd!
LOL, yup.
If he took the 4th, he'd get killed for "giving Collins away"
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that is the weird part taht will never go away
4th this yr, v hopes for a compensatory 3rd next?
If he took the 4th, BBI would be complaining he can't negotiate and didn't hold out for a 3rd!
LOL, yup.
If he took the 4th, he'd get killed for "giving Collins away"
Which is what he did anyway, they let him walk for nothing. Nothing about Collins should have taken the front office by surprise.
You can approximate the franchise tag value for safeties with a little bit of simple math. Having an idea of what it would cost to re-sign him is a phone call to an agent. There really isn't a valid reason for just letting him go like it's some spare part.
Don't believe me?
Check the Beckham threads regarding the compensation there.
I think he probably wanted to but held out hope that he can work something out with him, and worst case from there would be a comp pick.
Maybe he should have taken the sure thing (a 4th), time will tell. Its possible franchising was on the table then, but the injury happened and then that went out the window.
Don't believe me?
Check the Beckham threads regarding the compensation there.
People bitched about the returns on the Apple and Snacks trades.
They absolutely would have bitched about a 4th for Collins.
But if it was an early 4th, it is essentially like another 3rd!
That is the benefit of hindsight in these types of situations.
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of a 4th was essentially a 5th in BBI Land. Isn't that how it works?
But if it was an early 4th, it is essentially like another 3rd!
It would've been to a playoff team and likely KC.
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that is the weird part taht will never go away
4th this yr, v hopes for a compensatory 3rd next?
If he took the 4th, BBI would be complaining he can't negotiate and didn't hold out for a 3rd!
So true.
But really, it’s just adds to the history on a lot of bad moves this guy has done w good players over his career
Don't believe me?
Check the Beckham threads regarding the compensation there.
Couldn't agree with you more on this point!
I also think the risk associated with getting a compensatory pick in 2020 is more valuable than another 4th round pick this year. All we know about the formula for compensatory picks is
1. Average annual salary with his new team (likely the biggest factor). $14 million per year. Yep.
2. Playing time with his new team. Likely will play every snap on a defense I suspect might be on the field longer than the offense.
3. Post-Season honors with his new team. Not likely.
Of course beyond somehow grabbing Russel Wilson, I'm in the get a QB from the better class next year camp. Rosen for no higher than a 2nd wouldn't hurt my feelings though.
Gettleman has navigated this brutal terrain like a seasoned Delta Force command leader ruthlessly taking enemy territory without the enemy having the slightest suspicion of his actions... Collins and OBJ will go down as two of the most successful foistings in the history of sports...
Don't believe me?
Check the Beckham threads regarding the compensation there.
Or Snacks threads. Hell, people even thought the compensation for Eli Apple wasn't enough!
Nothing about DG makes me believe that this was the case.. it doesn't make sense.. Its just as believable as me saying Synder called me and said that He wanted collins in the middle of the year and he had offered 2 first..
Nothing about DG makes me believe that this was the case.. it doesn't make sense.. Its just as believable as me saying Synder called me and said that He wanted collins in the middle of the year and he had offered 2 first..
What does the contract he signed have to do with what teams were willing to offer at the deadline?
Would you give up a 3rd round pick for a few games of a safety you weren't likely to re-sign? Collins' contract was expiring, so he didn't have a whole lot of value.
The Redskins gave up a 4 for Clinton-Dix, who was in a similar boat.
That's pretty much what the market was. You can either believe it or don't.
Nothing about DG makes me believe that this was the case.. it doesn't make sense.. Its just as believable as me saying Synder called me and said that He wanted collins in the middle of the year and he had offered 2 first..
The Redskins signed him to the large contract. .. that organization is known for overpaying for free agents while Snyder is the owner.
Nothing about DG makes me believe that this was the case.. it doesn't make sense.. Its just as believable as me saying Synder called me and said that He wanted collins in the middle of the year and he had offered 2 first..
Your thinking makes no sense. The whole point is that Collins's value was low because his contract was expiring. Trading a 3rd rounder for him and getting him on your team was not a guarantee of anything except that he was going to play the last few games of 2018. Whatever team wanted him was going to have to sign him for $14M/year. If you're going to do that (Redskins) why give up a draft pick for him? Your idea of just "franchising" him wouldn't have worked, the tag also would have been worth a ton of money and a franchise tag does not guarantee the player is going to play for you (as we have seen as of late).
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I mean a team offered Collins $80+M.. You dont think they would've offered a high 3rd instead and franchise him?
Nothing about DG makes me believe that this was the case.. it doesn't make sense.. Its just as believable as me saying Synder called me and said that He wanted collins in the middle of the year and he had offered 2 first..
Your thinking makes no sense. The whole point is that Collins's value was low because his contract was expiring. Trading a 3rd rounder for him and getting him on your team was not a guarantee of anything except that he was going to play the last few games of 2018. Whatever team wanted him was going to have to sign him for $14M/year. If you're going to do that (Redskins) why give up a draft pick for him? Your idea of just "franchising" him wouldn't have worked, the tag also would have been worth a ton of money and a franchise tag does not guarantee the player is going to play for you (as we have seen as of late).
Franchise tag number for collins would've been $11M.. Collins hasn't made real NFL money to give up on $11M.. This isn't anywhere close to being on the same level Leveon Bell.. If I am a team that knows we need safety help and I'd be willing to pay $84M for to a player.. I'd rather have them franchised.. its guarantees me that a player would not play anywhere else and has no where else they can get offers from.. You know how much easier negotiations are when you the only party a player can deal with..
Depends how the comp pick situation plays out. Could end up with the same 4th. Or maybe a 3rd
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I mean a team offered Collins $80+M.. You dont think they would've offered a high 3rd instead and franchise him?
Nothing about DG makes me believe that this was the case.. it doesn't make sense.. Its just as believable as me saying Synder called me and said that He wanted collins in the middle of the year and he had offered 2 first..
Your thinking makes no sense. The whole point is that Collins's value was low because his contract was expiring. Trading a 3rd rounder for him and getting him on your team was not a guarantee of anything except that he was going to play the last few games of 2018. Whatever team wanted him was going to have to sign him for $14M/year. If you're going to do that (Redskins) why give up a draft pick for him? Your idea of just "franchising" him wouldn't have worked, the tag also would have been worth a ton of money and a franchise tag does not guarantee the player is going to play for you (as we have seen as of late).
Franchise tag number for collins would've been $11M.. Collins hasn't made real NFL money to give up on $11M.. This isn't anywhere close to being on the same level Leveon Bell.. If I am a team that knows we need safety help and I'd be willing to pay $84M for to a player.. I'd rather have them franchised.. its guarantees me that a player would not play anywhere else and has no where else they can get offers from.. You know how much easier negotiations are when you the only party a player can deal with..
Collins didn't want to be franchised. I guess you could say "tough shit" and do it anyway, but they didn't want to deal with more of a headache.
We got better and cheaper @ safety. What is the issue here?
We're probably going to wind up with the comp pick anyway.
4th this yr, v hopes for a compensatory 3rd next?
Because we likely get a 3rd or 4th in the comp formula.
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The fact still remains we got nothing for Collins when we could have had something.
Depends how the comp pick situation plays out. Could end up with the same 4th. Or maybe a 3rd
Signing Tate likely cost us the comp pick.
I'll gladly take the more versatile 23 year old safety who didn't just need shoulder surgery.
Pretty safe bet that Peppers/Bethea will be a better tandem than Collins/Riley.
Collins is a good player. His 2016 appears to be the outlier right now, though. The safety position isn't going to only improve by way of Riley not starting. I think both spots will see better production than we got last year.
Right now, if I had to guess, Giants will get a 5th round comp pick pick--and that can probably only go down since Giants don't have any free agents who will sign big contracts elsaewhere.
Btw, I think Dunleavy's report is nonsense too. Very convenient that a source tells him in March that they couldn't get better than what they will get as a comp pick. This is what Dunleavy said at the trade deadline:
If yes, they should keep him. If no, they should trade him for a 2019 third-round pick or better, because compensation draft picks for losing premium free agents begin at the end of the third round and do not come into effect for one year. So a compensation pick for Collins is in the 2020 draft.
The NFL Draft compensation pick formula is extremely complicated and not finalized until later, so there is no solid guarantee of Collins warranting a third-rounder.
It certainly seems we are going to get comp-3rd...
I am skeptical as well that only a 4th was offered. I think DG was holding out for a 2nd know he could get a 3rd as comp.