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"Age Doesn't Bother Me" - Dave Gettleman

Tesla : 3/18/2019 12:08 pm
Really explains a lot about where we are headed. Jonathan Stewart "hasn't lost a step" and no need for a QB succession plan cause Eli can still make all the throws.



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How about their best pass rusher?  
KWALL2 : 3/18/2019 2:24 pm : link
Lawrence didn't play.

The rookie LB may be their best defender. He never left the field all season. He played 36 snaps.
That game at the end of the  
Dnew15 : 3/18/2019 2:28 pm : link
season meant absolutely nothing to either team.
Who cares what happened.
RE: RE: Dallas played their entire defense?  
Greg from LI : 3/18/2019 2:29 pm : link
In comment 14345402 dep026 said:
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who didnt play?


Tyrone Crawford, inactive
Demarcus Lawrence, 11 snaps
Leighton Vander Esche, 36 snaps
RE: How about their best pass rusher?  
dep026 : 3/18/2019 2:29 pm : link
In comment 14345446 KWALL2 said:
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Lawrence didn't play.

The rookie LB may be their best defender. He never left the field all season. He played 36 snaps.


1. Lawrence has a sack and forced fumble in the game.
2. Vander Esch got hurt in the 3rd quarter and didnt come back.

Wanna try again? Or just admit you were wrong? I recommend the latter.
RE: RE: How about their best pass rusher?  
ajr2456 : 3/18/2019 2:31 pm : link
In comment 14345468 dep026 said:
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In comment 14345446 KWALL2 said:


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Lawrence didn't play.

The rookie LB may be their best defender. He never left the field all season. He played 36 snaps.



1. Lawrence has a sack and forced fumble in the game.
2. Vander Esch got hurt in the 3rd quarter and didnt come back.

Wanna try again? Or just admit you were wrong? I recommend the latter.


Lawrence may have had a sack and forced fumble but he played the equivalent of two drives.
lol, this whole pissing contest about the last game is pathetic  
Default : 3/18/2019 2:31 pm : link
the game meant nothing for either team.

Why not argue about a fucking pre-season game?
RE: RE: RE: How about their best pass rusher?  
dep026 : 3/18/2019 2:33 pm : link
In comment 14345475 ajr2456 said:
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In comment 14345468 dep026 said:


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In comment 14345446 KWALL2 said:


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Lawrence didn't play.

The rookie LB may be their best defender. He never left the field all season. He played 36 snaps.



1. Lawrence has a sack and forced fumble in the game.
2. Vander Esch got hurt in the 3rd quarter and didnt come back.

Wanna try again? Or just admit you were wrong? I recommend the latter.



Lawrence may have had a sack and forced fumble but he played the equivalent of two drives.


So he played? Ok. Thanks. And so did vander Esch until he got hurt.

So Tyrone Crawford - their BJ Hill type player sat. One guy. Their LBs played. Their Secondary played. They played. And the Giants did well against them.
He played 11 goddamned snaps  
Greg from LI : 3/18/2019 2:36 pm : link
Managed to make a major impact in those 11 snaps, too. But hey, he's only their best defensive player. I'm sure it made no difference that he sat for most of the game.

That game meant absolutely nothing at all to the Cowboys, and yet they still stuffed that supposedly much-improved Giants offense when the game was on the line. Here's where you pretend that doesn't matter.
RE: He played 11 goddamned snaps  
dep026 : 3/18/2019 2:38 pm : link
In comment 14345491 Greg from LI said:
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That game meant absolutely nothing at all to the Cowboys, and yet they still stuffed that supposedly much-improved Giants offense when the game was on the line. Here's where you pretend that doesn't matter.


4 plays. They gave up 17 goddamn points in the 4th quarter. But lets base it off..... 4 plays. Rational.
wait a minute  
Greg from LI : 3/18/2019 2:42 pm : link
I thought you were a big advocate of using a small sample size to offset an unfavorable larger sample??
RE: Tesla  
joeinpa : 3/18/2019 2:42 pm : link
In comment 14345077 Eric from BBI said:
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(1) What if Saquon Barkley turns into a Hall of Fame running back and Sam Darnold is another Drew Bledsoe? Too early to make that call. (And I was all for drafting Darnold last year, but right now, Barkley looks like the better player to me).

(2) Are the Cardinals willing to trade Rosen for a 2nd rounder? I keep seeing that posted here. Based on what evidence?


What if Darnold becomes Eli Manning.
RE: RE: Tesla  
rnargi : 3/18/2019 2:44 pm : link
In comment 14345510 joeinpa said:
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In comment 14345077 Eric from BBI said:


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(1) What if Saquon Barkley turns into a Hall of Fame running back and Sam Darnold is another Drew Bledsoe? Too early to make that call. (And I was all for drafting Darnold last year, but right now, Barkley looks like the better player to me).

(2) Are the Cardinals willing to trade Rosen for a 2nd rounder? I keep seeing that posted here. Based on what evidence?



What if Darnold becomes Eli Manning.


On Sirius this morning, Papa and Weis were pretty adament that the Cards wouldn't get more than a 3 or 3+ for Rosen. They thought a 1 was out of the question and a 2 would be pushing it.
Drew Bledsoe would be like the 2nd most prolific passer  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/18/2019 2:45 pm : link
in Giants history. If the next QB they draft turns out to be Bledsoe there would be cheers of success.
The Wash game is a joke to go off of as well....  
Tesla : 3/18/2019 2:45 pm : link
Our offense started that game with 3 drives that went nowhere then a FG on the 4th drive....but were saved because the defense kept getting the ball back for them immediately and then eventually scored on a pick 6. And other than Barkley breaking a few huge runs our offense didn't really do that much...it was the defense that dominated that game.

And of course we were shut out in the Titans game.



Hahahaha  
KWALL2 : 3/18/2019 2:47 pm : link
Lawrence played 10 snaps.
Oh yes...  
KWALL2 : 3/18/2019 2:49 pm : link
We ended the season strong on offense.

The Dallas game was a big factor in trading Beckham, keeping Eli, not trading or drafting a QB?

I saw enough in that game. We are ready to win now.
RE: Hahahaha  
dep026 : 3/18/2019 2:50 pm : link
In comment 14345529 KWALL2 said:
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Lawrence played 10 snaps.


So he played and contributed? Thanks for playing.
Jaylon Smith  
KWALL2 : 3/18/2019 2:54 pm : link
, along with the rookie LB, never missed a snap. Smith sat late.

Vander had a minor injury and sat. If the game meant something he would have played.

They didn't care about the game.
RE: Oh yes...  
Tesla : 3/18/2019 2:54 pm : link
In comment 14345534 KWALL2 said:
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We ended the season strong on offense.

The Dallas game was a big factor in trading Beckham, keeping Eli, not trading or drafting a QB?

I saw enough in that game. We are ready to win now.


Let's not forget Eli's performance vs. the Eagles in 2017. Certainly that alone is worthy of a 3 year extension.
joeinpa  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/18/2019 2:55 pm : link
In the end, it's all about the rings.

If you take off the 8-0 two playoff runs, Eli's career - aside from the cumulative numbers - isn't very special.

But that 8-0 playoff run changes everything.


So Darnold has to win the rings or become one of the better QB's in the league.

Barkley? I think his biggest challenge is going to be staying healthy. How long will his career be? If he stays healthy, he can be all-time great.
rnargi  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/18/2019 2:56 pm : link
At the same time, there have reports that the Cards want a #1 IF they trade him. If being the operative word.

So there's the rub.
Not just Stewart, also Barwin  
shyster : 3/18/2019 2:57 pm : link
Those were the two "age" signings last year that I can recall and both were total busts.

The Barwin mistake was compounded by effectively cutting Okwara to make room: a good, useful, much younger and cheaper player.

If DG said "age doesn't bother me; look how I was successful with so-and-so", I'd pay attention.

But the impression is that he just has his nuggets and won't change his approach no matter what the contrary data is.

Declining Vinny Curry next up.

There was a post in the PC thread praising DG while sneering at Landon Collins' "fake humble" pose.

Ironic because if LC is prince of fake humble, DG is king.

"I'm like Archie Bunker; every man is my equal because I may learn from him."

BS. All the evidence is that DG has no inclination to learn from anybody, or from any inconvenient empirical information, because he is quite sure he knows it all, already.
Both smith and Vander Esch  
dep026 : 3/18/2019 2:59 pm : link
Played in the 4th quarter.

Damn those facts...
RE: RE: I swear some of you would bitch  
Bill L : 3/18/2019 2:59 pm : link
In comment 14345008 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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if you won the lottery and only won a million dollars.



When's the last time this team did anything close to winning a lottery?


Saquon.
Cards will have a huge problem  
Dnew15 : 3/18/2019 3:02 pm : link
on their hands if they draft Murray and keep Rosen.
That will be complete disaster for them.
They may have to take pennies on the dollar now b/c it will be even worse later.
RE: RE: Tesla  
Bill L : 3/18/2019 3:02 pm : link
In comment 14345086 Tesla said:
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In comment 14345077 Eric from BBI said:


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(1) What if Saquon Barkley turns into a Hall of Fame running back and Sam Darnold is another Drew Bledsoe? Too early to make that call. (And I was all for drafting Darnold last year, but right now, Barkley looks like the better player to me).

(2) Are the Cardinals willing to trade Rosen for a 2nd rounder? I keep seeing that posted here. Based on what evidence?



Agree that the jury is very much still out on the Darnold/Barkley choice. Could very well turn out that DG made a great decision.

No idea on #2 either, but I think it's something we should aggressively pursue.

My real worry is that we'll end up drafting in the 6-10 range in 2020 and either miss out on the QB's or have to give up a kings ransom for one.


6-10 range with probably 4 potential franchise QB's in the draft.
Vander played 51% of the snaps  
KWALL2 : 3/18/2019 3:04 pm : link
Lawrence played 12%.

2 best defenders.

Damn those facts.

Your point that "he played" 10 snaps so I win is laughable. OK he played 10 snaps out of 70+. He wasn't out there when Giants did anything.

In the first half we had 7 total points.

Lawrence did not play in the 2nd half.
Vander played very little.

But you win? Sure.

The fact that both smith and vander esch played  
dep026 : 3/18/2019 3:06 pm : link
In the 4th quarter that Lawrence played has disputed everything you said so far.

Which is truly a fact.
And jaylon smith didn’t come out of the game  
dep026 : 3/18/2019 3:08 pm : link
He was in on our last drive. But keep making stuff up... lol
Hahaah  
KWALL2 : 3/18/2019 3:11 pm : link
Correction Lawrence played 12 out of 70+. Thats "not playing".

Crawford played 0 out of 70+

Vander played how many 2nd half snaps? 5? Thats "not playing" in the 2nd half.

But carry on. It was a stellar offensive performance and should be a key factor for team evaluation and our off season strategy.
For the previous 7 games  
KWALL2 : 3/18/2019 3:15 pm : link
Smith played 100% of the snaps.

He "rested" in our game and missed sat.

The 2 elite defenders on the team played a total of 48 snaps out of 140+. This right there is enough.

I win!

Guys  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/18/2019 3:17 pm : link
you are both right. Dallas sat some of their players, but they also took the game far more seriously than we thought they would. I vividly remember Dallas fans and pundits being pissed on twitter that their starters were still in the game because some of them were getting nicked up.

So to summarize  
dep026 : 3/18/2019 3:19 pm : link
Lawrence played
Smith played the whole game
And vander esch played into the 4th quarter before getting hurt.

Thanks for playing.
RE: For the previous 7 games  
dep026 : 3/18/2019 3:20 pm : link
In comment 14345617 KWALL2 said:
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Smith played 100% of the snaps.

He "rested" in our game and missed sat.

The 2 elite defenders on the team played a total of 48 snaps out of 140+. This right there is enough.

I win!


Smith played the whole game.
RE: “The way we ended the season”?  
Les in TO : 3/18/2019 3:21 pm : link
In comment 14345375 KWALL2 said:
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We beat a couple of backup QBs ( 3rd strong in Was) and a put up points on a Dallas team resting for the playoffs.

If this “late season run” is factoring into decisions were doomed.

There was nothing impressive about the play at the end of the year except Barkley. Maybe Engram too. Nothing else should be fooling the Giants FO. We still have a team full of enormous holes and an old QB.

Giants, Rutgers, Knicks? Its torture. I’ve got Barkley to watch. That’s about it.
yup this season smells like 1995. In 94 they went from 3-7 to 9-7 beating a bunch of middling teams or who were resting their starters in six close games and everyone was calling on them to unseat the cowboys the next year, only for that to be squashed in the 35-0 Monday night football debacle. The Giants will suck again next year and Shurmur will go back to being a coordinator where he belongs
No he didnt  
KWALL2 : 3/18/2019 3:24 pm : link
Smith played 61 snaps. Facts in your way again.

Crawford played 0. And then played a ton in the playoffs.

Lawrence played 12.

Vander played 36 snaps.

It wasn't a real game for Dallas. If it was, at the very least, Lawrence and Vander play all game.
We held Dallas to 51 yards rushing!  
KWALL2 : 3/18/2019 3:25 pm : link
What a defense. Nothing to do with this front 7!
Kwall  
dep026 : 3/18/2019 3:27 pm : link
Smith May have taken a play off but he was in their trying to stop us on the last drive. Vander Esch played into the 4th before getting hurt. Lawrence started the game.

They tried they’re fucking asses off on defenseZ they blitzed. They mixed coverages. They sold out on Barkley. These aren’t disputed.

Yes Lawrence took off. So that’s one player.

Jesus Christ this place is full of women on their periods.
hahahahaha  
KWALL2 : 3/18/2019 3:28 pm : link
100% in every game until ours.

And then we have the trio of Crawford, Vand, and Lawrence playing 45 out of 210+ snaps.

Lawrence played 12. But you want to tell us "he played". OK?
We scored 7 in the first half  
KWALL2 : 3/18/2019 3:31 pm : link
We sucked.

The 2nd half we had 3 long TD drives.

Vander played 5 out of 40 second half snaps.

Lawrence 0 out of 40.

Crawford 0 out of 40.

But they "mixed coverages"? OK. Thanks.
Vander Esch has 5 tackles  
dep026 : 3/18/2019 3:37 pm : link
Alone in the 2nd half. Guess he took the rest of the snaps off.

And we scored on the 2 drives in those “5 snaps.”

But smith took a a play off - so Dallas didn’t try onndefense.
RE: RE: RE: I swear some of you would bitch  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/18/2019 3:41 pm : link
In comment 14345570 Bill L said:
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if you won the lottery and only won a million dollars.



When's the last time this team did anything close to winning a lottery?



Saquon.


And yet when you suggest to people that they should have tanked for a higher pick for more players of his caliber, you get blowtorched.
RE: That game at the end of the  
santacruzom : 3/18/2019 3:51 pm : link
In comment 14345463 Dnew15 said:
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season meant absolutely nothing to either team.
Who cares what happened.


The Giants responsible for self-scouting sure as shit care!
RE: RE: I swear some of you would bitch  
djm : 3/18/2019 4:23 pm : link
In comment 14345008 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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In comment 14345001 dep026 said:


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if you won the lottery and only won a million dollars.



When's the last time this team did anything close to winning a lottery?


Last April. Pick 2. First round.
RE: RE: Eric...  
81_Great_Dane : 3/18/2019 4:29 pm : link
In comment 14345152 Eric from BBI said:
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I personally think his toughness (remember 2011 NFC Championship Game) is gone. I also wonder if the two rings, the kids, the $$$ have lessened his game.
Age can also figure into that. There's a lot of mileage on that body, and as you get older, it takes longer to recover. There's a lot of incentive to protect yourself because you know the bruises and aches aren't going away so fast.

Plus, who could blame him for being less willing to get himself beaten up for a losing team than for a team in contention? It doesn't even have to be conscious. These are split-second decisions.
Said the 67 year old GM  
arniefez : 3/18/2019 4:31 pm : link
who doesn't believe in analytics.
RE: Cards will have a huge problem  
81_Great_Dane : 3/18/2019 4:34 pm : link
In comment 14345579 Dnew15 said:
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on their hands if they draft Murray and keep Rosen.
That will be complete disaster for them.
They may have to take pennies on the dollar now b/c it will be even worse later.
I hear you, but what does "complete disaster" mean for the NFL's worst team from 2018?

So things go bad if they keep both. There's a quarterback controversy. Both guys are looking over their shoulder. It's a mess. So what? They already stink.

They can still trade Rosen when the price is right. If they think they're sitting on a valuable asset they don't have to dump him at fire-sale prices. The question is, what is his real value, and does it increase or decrease over time? It's certainly going to decrease after training camp, and maybe after OTAs.
Using Lawrence  
ajr2456 : 3/18/2019 4:54 pm : link
playing 12% of the snaps and none in the second half when the Giants scored most of their points as evidence to you being right is bad even for you.
RE: Using Lawrence  
dep026 : 3/18/2019 4:59 pm : link
In comment 14345933 ajr2456 said:
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playing 12% of the snaps and none in the second half when the Giants scored most of their points as evidence to you being right is bad even for you.


Someone made a comment that he didn’t play. He played. If that’s confusing to you.... I can’t help you.

He said Vander Esche played 5 snaps... he played into the 4th quarter. He even came back into the game after he got hurt.

He sat Smith sat at the end... he played the entire 2nd half.

I know you and facts don’t go well together... but those are the facts. And also the Cowboys busted their ass on defense from start to finish. But keep on with your shitty fucking narratives.
Regardless of what Cowboy defender  
santacruzom : 3/19/2019 12:08 pm : link
Played what percentage of snaps in one game at the end of the year that the Giants scored a lot of points in, I hope we all can agree that it's reckless as fuck to look at that offensive performance and declare: "The offensive problems have been figured out and we are guaranteed to perform similarly now that we have a new right guard."
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