I'm a bit frustrated

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What are you looking for? You want people to change their minds, or just stop discussing it?

In either case, what have the Giants done the past few years that makes you think that's a reasonable expectation?

Thanks for providing this info - very helpful and one of the main reasons I am on this site...

at 6, that'd really be exciting. Perfect mix of talent, scheme fit, and need. Appreciate the info as always JT

even though you had me at "Pat Leonard".

It's a process and DG owes us nothing.

What were we expecting? "Eli Sucks..can't play anymore and I am targeting Drew Lock @6 or Daniel Jones @17"

Translation in giants land - we won’t end up resigning him when his deal runs out.

still has to get past OAK and TB too, who both need Edge Rushers. And the Bucs just switched to a 34.

at 6 --- ya mon!

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still has to get past OAK and TB too, who both need Edge Rushers. And the Bucs just switched to a 34.

But they just singed Shaq Barrett.

Thanks jt.

but what is the plan for his successor? Is there one?

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Can the fans get some beat reporters who are actually Giants fans at best and capable of being professionally unbiased, at least?

It IS frustrating. Agree totally.

Would be thrilled with the real Josh Allen @ 6.

a 4-3, and few coaches change schemes at his stage of the game.

with a line and running game, he can still be fine. is that what we are striving for? why does it make you upset that people might prefer to move on from someone who needs everything right to be solid? for the ripe price of 23m a year?

you should be upset that Reese missed on his OL picks and decisions during Elis late prime. dont be upset because people arent being sentimental about the QB anymore.

Allen would be a great fit/steal for them, lets hope it happens.

as soon as Remmers left, I knew it wasn't a good sign no matter what the agent said.

He would have been a good short-term fit.

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as soon as Remmers left, I knew it wasn't a good sign no matter what the agent said. He would have been a good short-term fit.

Agreed.

If the Giants think they're winning games this year, they better have another plan @ ORT... because we might as well punt the season if we're giving that job back to Wheeler.

Is 100% correct

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a 4-3, and few coaches change schemes at his stage of the game.

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a trade for what? QB? Receiver?

to try to placate the cut Eli and Gettleman has no plan crowd.
To be fair, I believe they should have cut Eli after trading Beckham, and pursued Rosen. I know JonC has said NFW the Giants want Rosen. But I still think he is best, and cheapest at that, option.

Hey, all you can do is provide information and let the rest of us process it.

He's not getting past the Jets(sticking with the 3-4) and Tampa Bay(switching to the 3-4). So stop drooling.

Would like to think Dillard is a prime target for 17.

As for FA, I’d rather call it a day than dumpster dive for the remaining scraps. Turn our attention to our 12 picks and any potential trades that might still be on the table.

Complete educated guess but I think the trade hint is Sterling Shepard. I saw some speculation online about the Pats for their 2nd. Sign me up.

I think you are right....Eli is NOT done yet. His second half showed me that. I would prefer to have the guy in waiting for 2020 on the roster though in 2019.

I’m not holding my breath on Remmers.i don’t think his wife wants to move the family to BIG NYC. Ha

I’m okay with Wynn and or Curry, but we only have 12 million left unless we cut a guy like Ellison. I’m okay with that too.

Now his game could fall off a cliff soon or a couple years but it sure didnt last year.

Eli for anyone that doesnt have a blinding bias showed late last year with just passable (not even above average protection) he can still be an effective QB. And 3 of the last 4 games in which we scored 40, 27 and 35 pts were WITHOUT ObJ.

Eli isnt a guy who has take a ton of inuries robbing him of his ability to play QB. His arm may not be as strong as it was before, but it is strong enough and he can still hit the tough routes.

I would be frustrated with BBI if I thought Eli was a better than average QB. I am currently frustrated with BBI and I think Eli is a less than average QB now(was great).

Sounds like we are all frustrated with BBI at this point. It is clear the Giants and DG disagree and I have come to terms with it. I know Eli will start and I will root like hell for him. I just hope we get his replacement on the roster as soon as humanly possible.

If the Giants like Sweat or Greedy Williams?

I know they are really working furiously on Ferguson but I would guess #17 (not #6) for him.

this franchise is being held hostage by an overpriced over the hill QB

The thing I don't get it Gettleman came in and has jettisoned player after player in the name of changing the poor culture of the team

and yet the one player who benched himself rather than do what the HC ordered
- just got a 5 million dollar bonus

until we move on from him - we are going to continue to have bad seasons

if they weren't getting rid of literally every other guy. I mean I'll grant you Eli can still play a bit but so could JPP, Harrison, Collins and OBJ and a few other guys.

"well that writer is an Eagle fan so of course he'll bash Eli" as an excuse?

What about the dozens of other members of the media who think Eli is finished?

The lengths some will go to defend Eli and the Giants.

last year he had two golden chances to make a drive to win the game in the final two minutes and he failed miserably. Was it the Dallas game Coleman got them to the 45 yard line on the kick off and all they needed was 20/25 yards for FG range and he went 0-4 on his passes?

Yes Eli can still play given perfect conditions, but I think his days of regular final minute drives are over...

premonition since early January that the Giants would draft Josh Allen (Edge). Over time it became more likely he'd be gone by then but who knows.

we all have the right to disagree on the state and decisions of the organization. just because management feels one way doesn't mean we should all get in line and think the same way

Just because the media beats you over the head with a narrative doesn't make it true. Leonard and Lombardo are hacks who push a false narrative and are anything but fair. Pay attention

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we all have the right to disagree on the state and decisions of the organization. just because management feels one way doesn't mean we should all get in line and think the same way

Fans have the same view of other fans that they do of players. "Fall in line, don't make noise, stop complaining." That's being a 'good fan'.

Ultimately - the one thing everyone's been beaten over the head with since 2012 is losing. The media had nothing to do with that.

I said this all season and its ringing more and more true...

Giants fans are the worst in the game.

I said exactly that

In comment 14345270 jtgiants said:

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Just because the media beats you over the head with a narrative doesn't make it true. Leonard and Lombardo are hacks who push a false narrative and are anything but fair. Pay attention

What's the false narrative? A large portion of the football media think Eli is done. He hasn't played well three years in a row now.

When does a "narrative" start to become the truth? And what does the writers fan allegiance have to do with anything?

apologies i misread your post

In comment 14345220 Thegratefulhead said:

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I would be frustrated with BBI if I thought Eli was a better than average QB. I am currently frustrated with BBI and I think Eli is a less than average QB now(was great). Sounds like we are all frustrated with BBI at this point. It is clear the Giants and DG disagree and I have come to terms with it. I know Eli will start and I will root like hell for him. I just hope we get his replacement on the roster as soon as humanly possible.

Basically how I feel. Although the possibility of him entering 2020 as the starter is real, so there still is a debate to be had there. I'm a little worried that they are biased in assessing Eli and their roster and are making moves based on a bad evaluation and/or jumbled objectives. It is what it is. Nail the draft and none of that matters.

any thoughts on their feelings there? I've been really surprised there's not more smoke connecting the pick they got from the Browns. Seems like a real good fit for what Shurmur does and the Giants org values.

the one thing I will disagree with you on is Lombardo being a hack. I think he's been relatively fair and he's not a douche type reporter than Leonard is. Lombardo - even if he is an Eagles fan - does not seem to be that way. I think he's generally fair.

Two things.

1. Allen slipping to 6 would be so fucking great.
2. From what you've heard, can we put the Rosen talk to bed?

There are many who think Eli can play. It' is a false narrative. Anyway', the only vote that counts, is the Giants. Thy disagree w you

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last year he had two golden chances to make a drive to win the game in the final two minutes and he failed miserably. Was it the Dallas game Coleman got them to the 45 yard line on the kick off and all they needed was 20/25 yards for FG range and he went 0-4 on his passes? Yes Eli can still play given perfect conditions, but I think his days of regular final minute drives are over...

Honestly Eli hasn't been better than replacement level in those late drives in years. Maybe not since 2012. Sure you can point to a game here or there but every decent QB in the league has their clutch moments. It's huge because that was Eli's calling card even pre-Super Bowls.

If you think pat Leonard is fair then I don't know what to tell you.

I believe Rosen is no

In comment 14345270 jtgiants said:

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Just because the media beats you over the head with a narrative doesn't make it true. Leonard and Lombardo are hacks who push a false narrative and are anything but fair. Pay attention

I don't listen to those men..ever. I watch games and I can play the position. Eli has been average for a number of years and has dipped below recently IMO. You can explain away some of his poor play with circumstantial evidence if it fits your narrative. Others can use similar circumstantial evidence to explain away his flashes of good play. Unless they give someone else a shot at practicing with the first team, then give them chance to start multiple games, we will not know the truth. I do believe QB play has been holding this team back. I do possess the intellectual humility to accept I might be wrong about Eli. DG, the Giants and those that think he can still play, might be wrong too.

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There are many who think Eli can play. It' is a false narrative. Anyway', the only vote that counts, is the Giants. Thy disagree w you

The only thing that matters is W and Ls

The verdict will be in soon enough and if it’s the same as it has been for 6 out of 7 years around here, there will be a price to pay for those who made that decision.

That's a reasonable post. I do think your wrong but appreciate smart people disagree. Either way he's the QB this year. Well see

In comment 14345310 bluepepper said:

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In comment 14345250 section125 said: Quote: last year he had two golden chances to make a drive to win the game in the final two minutes and he failed miserably. Was it the Dallas game Coleman got them to the 45 yard line on the kick off and all they needed was 20/25 yards for FG range and he went 0-4 on his passes? Yes Eli can still play given perfect conditions, but I think his days of regular final minute drives are over... Honestly Eli hasn't been better than replacement level in those late drives in years. Maybe not since 2012. Sure you can point to a game here or there but every decent QB in the league has their clutch moments. It's huge because that was Eli's calling card even pre-Super Bowls.

He was fine, up until 2017. Can't count 2013 as that was possibly the worst oline in NFL history. But during 2017 he had a couple chances to get it done (Washington game was queued up for him IIRC) and did not. Could be the line, more likely a combo of Eli and the line.

If he gets a proper RT, it may be different, but I am leery.

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I believe Rosen is no

Damn, ok thanks...

In comment 14345304 jtgiants said:

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There are many who think Eli can play. It' is a false narrative. Anyway', the only vote that counts, is the Giants. Thy disagree w you

Point to the ones that aren't working for the Giants and aren't Giants fans.

Something that runs counter to yours or the Giant's opinions isn't a false narrative. It's a difference of opinion.

In comment 14345343 section125 said:

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In comment 14345310 bluepepper said: Quote: In comment 14345250 section125 said: Quote: last year he had two golden chances to make a drive to win the game in the final two minutes and he failed miserably. Was it the Dallas game Coleman got them to the 45 yard line on the kick off and all they needed was 20/25 yards for FG range and he went 0-4 on his passes? Yes Eli can still play given perfect conditions, but I think his days of regular final minute drives are over... Honestly Eli hasn't been better than replacement level in those late drives in years. Maybe not since 2012. Sure you can point to a game here or there but every decent QB in the league has their clutch moments. It's huge because that was Eli's calling card even pre-Super Bowls. He was fine, up until 2017. Can't count 2013 as that was possibly the worst oline in NFL history. But during 2017 he had a couple chances to get it done (Washington game was queued up for him IIRC) and did not. Could be the line, more likely a combo of Eli and the line. If he gets a proper RT, it may be different, but I am leery.

The team might have been good, but Eli wasn't great in 2016.

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I believe Rosen is no

If Allen doesnt fall do Giants like Greedy or Sweat?

Also - does the media ever ask any questions about how badly the D played last year? The D blew leads against the: Panthers, Eagles, Colts, and Cowboys. None of those losses have anything to do with Eli.

DG said that Eli took him into a corner and beat him down (or something to that effect). Did that mean get rid of OBJ? Or get me an OL?

you've been on the Greedy train. Count me among those who will be really disappointed if he's the pick. After all these moves and "new direction" we are going in, to pick a cornerback at 6 would be kind of brutal.

For keeping us all in the loop especially these past few weeks.

Thanks for the info.

I agree there is a bit of a false narrative going on. Eli has always needed a good to great OL. When you put him behind an awful one he's not going to shine. I actually think some of his games last year in the first half of the season were pretty amazing given the level of pressure. The Houston one laps to mind where Watt was just killing Wheeler.

Britt made a great post about how much better things looked once Brown got here. If they can upgrade RT to above average then we really may see a career best Eli. Signing Remmers would be a good start but I'd hope for competition.

I can't answer about elis conversation with Gettleman. I will say this. Elis not upset Beckham gone

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Elis not upset Beckham gone

Neither should Giants fans.

Much appreciated

As far as a possible trade, you think trying to trade
A player for a draft pick or giants trying to trade
For a player?

In comment 14345347 ajr2456 said:

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In comment 14345304 jtgiants said: Quote: There are many who think Eli can play. It' is a false narrative. Anyway', the only vote that counts, is the Giants. Thy disagree w you Point to the ones that aren't working for the Giants and aren't Giants fans. Something that runs counter to yours or the Giant's opinions isn't a false narrative. It's a difference of opinion.

The national media opinion has long been that he's "dilfer'd" his way to super bowls and was the most overrated player in the game. That was as true 10 years ago when he beat the Pats the first time as it is today. National media sentiment is hardly a meaningful data point.

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you've been on the Greedy train. Count me among those who will be really disappointed if he's the pick. After all these moves and "new direction" we are going in, to pick a cornerback at 6 would be kind of brutal.

Ry to be honest I am trying to look at this as the Giants F.O. would.

What does that mean? I am assuming worst case scenario to be prepared for what we would do.

Worst case scenario is all the blue-chip guys for our top need positions are gone. Those guys would be : Q.Will, Bosa, and Allen.

Now you have to move onto the next tier which would be guys who have elite talent but perhaps a bit more question marks at the highest impact need positions:

Those players to me are:

Greedy Williams (watch the tape of him vs. top receivers who will play on Sunday and see how EFFORTLESSLY he mirrors them in coverage)

Montez Sweat - Ridiculous measurables and very good production but still quite raw in his pass rush moves. You could look at this as a positive or negative. Negative in that you doubt he will get better and just be a fast but limited pass rusher. OR a positive that with all his 'rawness' he STILL managed double sack seasons and if he developes more moves/better technique he could be a beast.

Burns- Also a speedster and a bendy sack guy but has somewhat a slight frame (despite the weight gain for the combine) . Some compare him to Floyd but Floyd has had a bit trouble staying healthy with that body type taking NFL punishment (6 games missed first 2 years and broken hand in 2018 though he didnt miss time). They may favor a more stout frame.

Ferguson- they are scouting the heck out of this kid and now are meeting with him before his pro-day. All time sack leader. Has production that DG loves AND size moreso than Burns. Has character question marks they are undoubtedly vetting. Also has the wider frame (weight/size) they generally look for. But #6 likely too early for him however 17 ......

I don't see ANY blue chip OTs but I do see top end red-chip ones. Dillard, Williams, Ford, Taylor closely followed by Risner.

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In comment 14345396 jtgiants said: Quote: Elis not upset Beckham gone Neither should Giants fans.

they have now rid themselves of every player that carried them to their last respectable NFL season, coach included...

mission accomplished...

i say that half kidding but its actually true!

In comment 14345310 bluepepper said:

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In comment 14345250 section125 said: Quote: last year he had two golden chances to make a drive to win the game in the final two minutes and he failed miserably. Was it the Dallas game Coleman got them to the 45 yard line on the kick off and all they needed was 20/25 yards for FG range and he went 0-4 on his passes? Yes Eli can still play given perfect conditions, but I think his days of regular final minute drives are over... Honestly Eli hasn't been better than replacement level in those late drives in years. Maybe not since 2012. Sure you can point to a game here or there but every decent QB in the league has their clutch moments. It's huge because that was Eli's calling card even pre-Super Bowls.

I guess the Carolina game doesn't count.

In comment 14345447 hitdog42 said:

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In comment 14345408 dep026 said: Quote: In comment 14345396 jtgiants said: Quote: Elis not upset Beckham gone Neither should Giants fans. they have now rid themselves of every player that carried them to their last respectable NFL season, coach included... mission accomplished... i say that half kidding but its actually true!

I'm guessing you're implying that Eli was along for the ride, but even so Jenkins was an absolute beast in 2016. Like top 3 CB in the NFL good.

And don't forget DeOssie...

Maybe its not happening as fast as some would like - I get it, we're all sick of losing and being mocked - but if you look at whats on the horizon for 2020 you can see big things ahead. They'll have tons of cap space to work with. A retooled roster with a good foundation of young, cheap talent in place (assuming this draft goes as well as last years). Its the perfect situation for a young QB to step into and if we don't have that guy this April, they will get him in April 2020.

Gettleman said he has a plan but its just going to take time and people need to be patient. You can already see it starting to come together.

Is not a pipe dream, he could slip into our laps, and if he does it will be a huge break for us, also there is the possibility we trade up a spot or two to land him, that would be no surprise at all, so those saying it is a pipe dream are not paying attention.

Is going to be eerily similar to 1995.

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they have now rid themselves of every player that carried them to their last respectable NFL season, coach included... mission accomplished... i say that half kidding but its actually true!

So we should have kept McAdoo?
We should overpay for Collens?
We should overpay Vernon?

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That's a reasonable post. I do think your wrong but appreciate smart people disagree. Either way he's the QB this year. Well see

I'm down with that and WANT to be wrong. Also, since you are on the inside.

I like what DG has done to remove the type of players he has let go. I can't be strong enough in my support for the Giants removing "look at me guys". I am a small business owner and have been a controller/administrator for most of my professional years. I have always taken care of people that took care of me when they were at the end of their careers. There is merit to doing "right" by Eli even though it might not be in very best interest of the franchise in the short term. I have NEVER been a hater of Eli, I dislike those people. I just believe he lost that thing that made him special(not his fault) and he can only summon the magic infrequently now(Not enough) What I mean by "magic" can be evidenced by watching the Niner playoff game in its entirety. He was getting killed and his eyes were always downfield and his feet....beautiful fucking feet that day. He was always in a position to deliver.

and that's all you will have.

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In comment 14345179 JonC said: Quote: a 4-3, and few coaches change schemes at his stage of the game. . Link - ( New Window )

We'll see ...

In comment 14345447 hitdog42 said:

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In comment 14345408 dep026 said: Quote: In comment 14345396 jtgiants said: Quote: Elis not upset Beckham gone Neither should Giants fans. they have now rid themselves of every player that carried them to their last respectable NFL season, coach included... mission accomplished... i say that half kidding but its actually true!

Pretty sure they've also rid themselves of every guy who decided to stay out all night partying on a boat in Miami the week before the only playoff game we've had since SB 46.

Or was Shepard on that fucking boat too?

For those of you who don’t think Eli is done, look at how he stacked up against all the other QBs. He was average or below average in virtually every category. I don’t care what anyone says; the numbers back up what everyone watches on a weekly basis.

But we’re run by idiots. Today, our idiot GM said the following:

1) he doesn’t care about age;
2) he didn’t shop the Browns offer around because calling another team causes you to lose leverage;
3) they never considered dumping Eli.

Let that stuff marinate for a second.

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For those of you who don’t think Eli is done, look at how he stacked up against all the other QBs. He was average or below average in virtually every category. I don’t care what anyone says; the numbers back up what everyone watches on a weekly basis. But we’re run by idiots. Today, our idiot GM said the following: 1) he doesn’t care about age; 2) he didn’t shop the Browns offer around because calling another team causes you to lose leverage; 3) they never considered dumping Eli. Let that stuff marinate for a second.

Your posts are garbage.

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In comment 14345773 Giants38 said: Quote: For those of you who don’t think Eli is done, look at how he stacked up against all the other QBs. He was average or below average in virtually every category. I don’t care what anyone says; the numbers back up what everyone watches on a weekly basis. But we’re run by idiots. Today, our idiot GM said the following: 1) he doesn’t care about age; 2) he didn’t shop the Browns offer around because calling another team causes you to lose leverage; 3) they never considered dumping Eli. Let that stuff marinate for a second. Your posts are garbage.

Hehe I giggled .

Just want to thank you for all the info. I don’t remember for the many years I just lurked in here having an asshat be so active and interactive with the members. I never judge the New York Football Giants decisions because obviously they know more than me. But getting this inside info is great to see their views. I mainly come here to read certain posters view that I respect. Thanks again.

In comment 14345270 jtgiants said:

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Just because the media beats you over the head with a narrative doesn't make it true. Leonard and Lombardo are hacks who push a false narrative and are anything but fair. Pay attention

All you have to do is read Leonards tweets from DG's conference call today and you can see what a hacky assbag he is

In comment 14345348 ajr2456 said:

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In comment 14345343 section125 said: Quote: In comment 14345310 bluepepper said: Quote: In comment 14345250 section125 said: Quote: last year he had two golden chances to make a drive to win the game in the final two minutes and he failed miserably. Was it the Dallas game Coleman got them to the 45 yard line on the kick off and all they needed was 20/25 yards for FG range and he went 0-4 on his passes? Yes Eli can still play given perfect conditions, but I think his days of regular final minute drives are over... Honestly Eli hasn't been better than replacement level in those late drives in years. Maybe not since 2012. Sure you can point to a game here or there but every decent QB in the league has their clutch moments. It's huge because that was Eli's calling card even pre-Super Bowls. He was fine, up until 2017. Can't count 2013 as that was possibly the worst oline in NFL history. But during 2017 he had a couple chances to get it done (Washington game was queued up for him IIRC) and did not. Could be the line, more likely a combo of Eli and the line. If he gets a proper RT, it may be different, but I am leery. The team might have been good, but Eli wasn't great in 2016.

He was in the playoff game we would have won if OBJ would have hung on to two TD passes

In comment 14346028 montanagiant said:

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In comment 14345270 jtgiants said: Quote: Just because the media beats you over the head with a narrative doesn't make it true. Leonard and Lombardo are hacks who push a false narrative and are anything but fair. Pay attention All you have to do is read Leonards tweets from DG's conference call today and you can see what a hacky assbag he is

He's not writing negative stuff about the Giants because he's an Eagles fan which was insinuated. He's writing negative stuff because there is a lot of negative stuff to write about this franchise right now.

I hate Leonard, he's a douche but lets stop creating narratives here.

However, I just think it's delusional to think a winning team can rely on Eli at this point in his career to string together consecutive games, quarters, or even drives of high-quality, mistake-free football. He had perhaps 6 good games out of 16 last season. But for each of those good games, I can name a back-breaking turnover or mistake that killed their opportunity to win.

We also keep going down this road of "If we can only get all of the pieces right around Eli, then he'll get the job done again." The people who're playing really well don't even have all of the pieces right around them. We keep throwing so much money and picks at the players around Eli, that I truly believe that's what led to the defense being as talent deficient as any in the sport.

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However, I just think it's delusional to think a winning team can rely on Eli at this point in his career to string together consecutive games, quarters, or even drives of high-quality, mistake-free football. He had perhaps 6 good games out of 16 last season. But for each of those good games, I can name a back-breaking turnover or mistake that killed their opportunity to win. We also keep going down this road of "If we can only get all of the pieces right around Eli, then he'll get the job done again." The people who're playing really well don't even have all of the pieces right around them. We keep throwing so much money and picks at the players around Eli, that I truly believe that's what led to the defense being as talent deficient as any in the sport.

I don't think they are "relying" on him. They are going to go under center and at most ask him throw 30 times a game, probably more so near 25 attempts.

Did we use too many premium picks at skill positions offensively? Probably hard to argue against that.

In comment 14345820 dep026 said:

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In comment 14345808 Brown Recluse said: Quote: In comment 14345773 Giants38 said: Quote: For those of you who don’t think Eli is done, look at how he stacked up against all the other QBs. He was average or below average in virtually every category. I don’t care what anyone says; the numbers back up what everyone watches on a weekly basis. But we’re run by idiots. Today, our idiot GM said the following: 1) he doesn’t care about age; 2) he didn’t shop the Browns offer around because calling another team causes you to lose leverage; 3) they never considered dumping Eli. Let that stuff marinate for a second. Your posts are garbage. Hehe I giggled .

Yea, it's pretty funny. So neither of you find it troubling that he basically received a call from the Browns, received an offer, and accepted said offer?

Nah, let's take his word for it that he has a plan.

We won't pick a QB this year. We are going to absolutely suck this year, and you two clowns won't be laughing so hard then. I have no doubt that I could run this team better than DAG, who one would think is actually trying to sabotage the Giants.

Sorry I won't curl into the fetal position because two posters called my posts garbage after I boldly suggested that our GM should have actually called other teams before jumping at the first trade offer he got. How dare I criticize a GM! Every GM knows better than any fan.

Dude, SO bold.

Not sure what your issue is. It’s either win or ...win.

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with a line and running game, he can still be fine. is that what we are striving for? why does it make you upset that people might prefer to move on from someone who needs everything right to be solid? for the ripe price of 23m a year? you should be upset that Reese missed on his OL picks and decisions during Elis late prime. dont be upset because people arent being sentimental about the QB anymore. Allen would be a great fit/steal for them, lets hope it happens.

This.

Has been my top guy since the college season.

That would be an absolutely awesome start to the draft.

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In comment 14345185 hitdog42 said: Quote: with a line and running game, he can still be fine. is that what we are striving for? why does it make you upset that people might prefer to move on from someone who needs everything right to be solid? for the ripe price of 23m a year? you should be upset that Reese missed on his OL picks and decisions during Elis late prime. dont be upset because people arent being sentimental about the QB anymore. Allen would be a great fit/steal for them, lets hope it happens. This.

Not sure why would not want, much less disparage the idea, of having a good line and running game. But whatever.

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last year he had two golden chances to make a drive to win the game in the final two minutes and he failed miserably. Was it the Dallas game Coleman got them to the 45 yard line on the kick off and all they needed was 20/25 yards for FG range and he went 0-4 on his passes? Yes Eli can still play given perfect conditions, but I think his days of regular final minute drives are over...

I ve mentioned this a few times and it was dismissed by some as you can’t do it everytime.

I was really bothered by those possessions in crunch time because in today s NFL those types of opportunities are converted more times than not.

The offense was clicjoin thise games, but really came up short with game on the line

In comment 14346337 Giants38 said:

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In comment 14345820 dep026 said: Quote: In comment 14345808 Brown Recluse said: Quote: In comment 14345773 Giants38 said: Quote: For those of you who don’t think Eli is done, look at how he stacked up against all the other QBs. He was average or below average in virtually every category. I don’t care what anyone says; the numbers back up what everyone watches on a weekly basis. But we’re run by idiots. Today, our idiot GM said the following: 1) he doesn’t care about age; 2) he didn’t shop the Browns offer around because calling another team causes you to lose leverage; 3) they never considered dumping Eli. Let that stuff marinate for a second. Your posts are garbage. Hehe I giggled . Yea, it's pretty funny. So neither of you find it troubling that he basically received a call from the Browns, received an offer, and accepted said offer? Nah, let's take his word for it that he has a plan. We won't pick a QB this year. We are going to absolutely suck this year, and you two clowns won't be laughing so hard then. I have no doubt that I could run this team better than DAG, who one would think is actually trying to sabotage the Giants. Sorry I won't curl into the fetal position because two posters called my posts garbage after I boldly suggested that our GM should have actually called other teams before jumping at the first trade offer he got. How dare I criticize a GM! Every GM knows better than any fan.

But your posts are garbage.

The anti-Eli crowd is out in force.

In comment 14346044 montanagiant said:

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In comment 14345348 ajr2456 said: Quote: In comment 14345343 section125 said: Quote: In comment 14345310 bluepepper said: Quote: In comment 14345250 section125 said: Quote: last year he had two golden chances to make a drive to win the game in the final two minutes and he failed miserably. Was it the Dallas game Coleman got them to the 45 yard line on the kick off and all they needed was 20/25 yards for FG range and he went 0-4 on his passes? Yes Eli can still play given perfect conditions, but I think his days of regular final minute drives are over... Honestly Eli hasn't been better than replacement level in those late drives in years. Maybe not since 2012. Sure you can point to a game here or there but every decent QB in the league has their clutch moments. It's huge because that was Eli's calling card even pre-Super Bowls. He was fine, up until 2017. Can't count 2013 as that was possibly the worst oline in NFL history. But during 2017 he had a couple chances to get it done (Washington game was queued up for him IIRC) and did not. Could be the line, more likely a combo of Eli and the line. If he gets a proper RT, it may be different, but I am leery. The team might have been good, but Eli wasn't great in 2016. He was in the playoff game we would have won if OBJ would have hung on to two TD passes

The Giants lost 34-13. Lets not pretend this game was lost by 1 or 2 or even 3 plays

Eli played very well that day for the 1st half. He also missed on 19 passes thst day, they werent all drops.

The loss wasnt his fault but lets not pretend the Giants were primed to win

In comment 14346505 PatersonPlank said:

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In comment 14346337 Giants38 said: Quote: In comment 14345820 dep026 said: Quote: In comment 14345808 Brown Recluse said: Quote: In comment 14345773 Giants38 said: Quote: For those of you who don’t think Eli is done, look at how he stacked up against all the other QBs. He was average or below average in virtually every category. I don’t care what anyone says; the numbers back up what everyone watches on a weekly basis. But we’re run by idiots. Today, our idiot GM said the following: 1) he doesn’t care about age; 2) he didn’t shop the Browns offer around because calling another team causes you to lose leverage; 3) they never considered dumping Eli. Let that stuff marinate for a second. Your posts are garbage. Hehe I giggled . Yea, it's pretty funny. So neither of you find it troubling that he basically received a call from the Browns, received an offer, and accepted said offer? Nah, let's take his word for it that he has a plan. We won't pick a QB this year. We are going to absolutely suck this year, and you two clowns won't be laughing so hard then. I have no doubt that I could run this team better than DAG, who one would think is actually trying to sabotage the Giants. Sorry I won't curl into the fetal position because two posters called my posts garbage after I boldly suggested that our GM should have actually called other teams before jumping at the first trade offer he got. How dare I criticize a GM! Every GM knows better than any fan. But your posts are garbage. The anti-Eli crowd is out in force.

What you or really anyone else here thinks of my posts does not affect me.

Last year the same people said put a team around Eli; he'll be a fine. A year later, it's not good enough that we wasted a year on that nonsense. Now, we have to do it again because it's the same crap. With the same people.

49% of people who took the BBI Poll were encouraged by the direction of this franchise. On Twitter, we are a laughingstock. But on here, people are eyes wide shut. You're one of them. So I'm going to worry about what you think of my posts?

After we go 3-13 again next season - and you come back and claim Eli played well down the stretch and he was not responsible for the abomination of a season - don't come back crying to me.

I just can't wrap my head around it.

I see Eli as pretty much irrelevant. He will play out his contract this year, and by 2020 there will likely be a new face behind center.

Gettleman sys you can win and build the team as well, he actually pointer out that 5 wins was an improvement over the previous season...

In reality he isn't setting the bar very high, as well nobody should. This is nowhere near a superbowl team.

Paying Eli a few million more than dud like Fitz or Bortles isn't going to make a significant FA difference. Besides Next year is the year we dip into FA. This year, not a big deal.

Eli being responsible for an extra win or two... May hur the draft choice a little, but the team also needs something to keep them going, playing hard and looking ahead to 2020.

So at the end of the day, Eli playing in 2019 doesn't really make a hill of beans difference.

So why is everybody tied up in knots over this?

Rome wasn't built in a day...

You wrote: "Worst case scenario is all the blue-chip guys for our top need positions are gone. Those guys would be : Q.Will, Bosa, and Allen."

That's hardly a "worst case scenario" because that is THE MOST ANTICIPATED SCENARIO. If it weren't for speculation about Murray going #1 to AZ, those 3 would likely be the first 3 off the board, gone by pick 4...

Most rational folks mocking the draft has those 3 gone before the Giants, so that's virtually a given.