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The 12th Man : 3/18/2019 1:47 pm
He just made a very interesting comment. He said he spoke to Odell, Odell felt he was never really appreciated by the Giants FO. He also stated Odell was upset that he did not get an opportunity o pick the team he was going to. I find that a very interesting comment. Victor Cruz took a shot saying he does not believe the Giants have a plan. My guess he will not becoming back to visit the Giants or their FO anytime soon. He went on to say Eli's best years are behind him. Very interesting.
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Oh Victor, let it go.  
BBelle21 : 3/18/2019 4:58 pm : link
What a difference in tone and maturity between Justin Tuck’s comments after retirement, and Victor Cruz’s who has passive aggressively taken shot after shot at the Giants and Eli. When fans get in an uproar over something Victor said, he apologizes and plays the victim card again saying his words were twisted. Lol. Victor never could own up to his own bull sh!t after winning a SB.
RE: RE: felt he was never really appreciated by the Giants FO  
markky : 3/18/2019 5:02 pm : link
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$95M for a player that caused more than his share of, let's call them distractions, tobe kind. Yeah, sure, he was undervalued and underappreciated /sarcasm off.

Go the fuck away already.

I guess they didn't bow down and kiss his ring. That or because they didn't see the value of his most memorable simulation of a dog marking the end-zone as his territory.


he doesn't have a ring
I don't think I've ever seen a BBI thread full of such horseshit  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 3/18/2019 5:14 pm : link
and nonsense. "Eli Manning's best years are behind him" would be considered unassailable fact in any other corner of the globe or internet, but here, it's a reason to attack Victor Cruz.

Anyone who calls a player "a cancer" is an imbecile.
RE: RE: He can fuck off about not being appreciated  
Matt M. : 3/18/2019 5:14 pm : link
In comment 14345703 Eric from BBI said:
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But it's totally fair of him not being happy being traded to CLE.

The narrative of OBJ not wanting to be here, IMO, is false. You don't sign a 5 year extention in a place you don't wanna be.

Just my 2 cents.



You would think. But after he signed, he made noise about about being in California. He also has not hidden his desire to play with Landry.
Exactly. Appreciation? The ink wasn't even dry on his $95M deal and he was talking about the teams he wanted to play for. How's that for appreciation?
RE: I don't think I've ever seen a BBI thread full of such horseshit  
Go Terps : 3/18/2019 5:29 pm : link
In comment 14345962 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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and nonsense. "Eli Manning's best years are behind him" would be considered unassailable fact in any other corner of the globe or internet, but here, it's a reason to attack Victor Cruz.

Anyone who calls a player "a cancer" is an imbecile.


I'd expect that from someone who, at any point, thought Shockey was the best.
RE: RE: I don't think I've ever seen a BBI thread full of such horseshit  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 3/18/2019 5:30 pm : link
In comment 14345984 Go Terps said:
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and nonsense. "Eli Manning's best years are behind him" would be considered unassailable fact in any other corner of the globe or internet, but here, it's a reason to attack Victor Cruz.

Anyone who calls a player "a cancer" is an imbecile.



I'd expect that from someone who, at any point, thought Shockey was the best.


If you've ever dealt with people who have actual cancer, you'd find a better word to describe your irrational feelings about a football player.
Were my feelings irrational?  
Go Terps : 3/18/2019 5:33 pm : link
The guy was traded a year after getting $95M. Huge dead money this year and huge media criticism for doing such a drastic about face...and still the Giants saw fit to trade him.

If the usage of the word cancer offends you, I apologize. But I doubt it really does.
RE: montanagiant  
montanagiant : 3/18/2019 5:33 pm : link
In comment 14345874 Eric from BBI said:
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The first red flag was the "I don't like water" comments regarding the IV issues.

But I got more than a little worried when he got hurt, came back and played the following week and seemed alright, but then sat for the final four weeks. At the time, Shurmur kept saying he expected him back.

Yeah, the bruise that had him sit 4 games and that onside attempt vs Chicago was when you could tell he quit on the team. Keep in mind one of the things everyone saw was that even though we were out of it no player quit on the team except arguably OBJ.

The more you really dig into the situation the more you realize it had to be done and we actually got excellent value for it
RE: RE: montanagiant  
Thegratefulhead : 3/18/2019 5:43 pm : link
In comment 14345993 montanagiant said:
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The first red flag was the "I don't like water" comments regarding the IV issues.

But I got more than a little worried when he got hurt, came back and played the following week and seemed alright, but then sat for the final four weeks. At the time, Shurmur kept saying he expected him back.


Yeah, the bruise that had him sit 4 games and that onside attempt vs Chicago was when you could tell he quit on the team. Keep in mind one of the things everyone saw was that even though we were out of it no player quit on the team except arguably OBJ.

The more you really dig into the situation the more you realize it had to be done and we actually got excellent value for it
yup.
So we're just looking past the part where he wasn't medically cleared  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/18/2019 5:52 pm : link
to practice or play? Shurmur himself said he had a setback.
Not sure who’s a bigger idiot  
ArlingtonMike : 3/18/2019 6:05 pm : link
Beckham for being his own BS or Cruz advocating for him. Amazing insight into the mind of an athlete. Good riddance
RE: So we're just looking past the part where he wasn't medically cleared  
dep026 : 3/18/2019 6:10 pm : link
In comment 14346015 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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to practice or play? Shurmur himself said he had a setback.


Is there a report on that?
Sone of you guys  
Chris684 : 3/18/2019 6:27 pm : link
Must still be refreshing the thread with the Kim Jones report that Beckham won’t be traded and all is well on that front.

(In a Lloyd Christmas voice) “We landed on the moon!”
RE: RE: So we're just looking past the part where he wasn't medically cleared  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/18/2019 6:31 pm : link
In comment 14346058 dep026 said:
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to practice or play? Shurmur himself said he had a setback.



Is there a report on that?


https://www.northjersey.com/story/sports/nfl/giants/2018/12/28/odell-beckham-jr-injury-history-during-ny-giants-career/2430869002/

In Week 12, Beckham was leg-whipped by an Eagles defender on a last-second miracle scramble play that failed in the Giants' 25-22 loss in Philadelphia. He sustained a bruised quadriceps, but played through the injury after treatment, helping the Giants defeat the Chicago Bears the following week.

The quad gave out during Wednesday's practice that week, however, and Beckham was unable to play against the Redskins in Landover, Md. He has remained sidelined for the rest of the season.

Email: stapleton@northjersey.com


https://www.nj.com/giants/2018/12/odell-beckham-jr-to-undergo-further-evaluation-on-quad-injury-giants-vs-tennessee-titans-injury-report.html

Giants wide receiver Odell Beckham Jr. will undergo further evaluation on his injured quadriceps on Thursday at the Hospitals for Special Surgery, the official hospital of the Giants, after missing Sunday’s 40-16 win over Washington. Beckham was a limited participant in Wednesday’s practice, leaving the field after taking part in individual drills, according to Giants head coach Pat Shurmur on Thursday.


[i]After the 40-16 victory over the Washington Redskins in Week 14, head coach Pat Shurmur provided an explanation on Beckham's late week scratch.

https://247sports.com/nfl/new-york-giants/Article/Odell-Beckham-injury-update-New-York-Giants-quad--126140664/

"I was (confident he would play Friday) -- he practiced all week and then this has been a thing that’s been lingering,” Shurmur said to Giants reporters after the game. “He was further evaluated Friday and then he came in Saturday and it was pretty evident he couldn’t play.”

TTH  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/18/2019 6:32 pm : link
I know your views on this and you know mine. We have our own theories.

But what do you expect Shurmur to tell the press?
RE: what's wrong with Cruz  
bw in dc : 3/18/2019 6:37 pm : link
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voicing a negative opinion? He's just as entitled to that as BBI'ers who said he was the most overrated WR in the league and that his contract was a huge mistake mere moments after his injury.

It was cold, but it was true -- his contract WAS a huge mistake. Just as his words now just may be true.


I agree - the reaction is strange. It has a feel of identity politics - because Cruz is a former Giant he must fall in line and support ownership.
Kudos TTH  
Jimmy Googs : 3/18/2019 6:38 pm : link
for posting that as opposed to saying to the doubters to f-off or look yourself.

I don’t even know how it was forgotten since it only happened a few months ago and some of the clowns spend 12 hours a day on this site. Agenda driven posts I presume.

I though pitchforks only came out for Eli...
RE: TTH  
ajr2456 : 3/18/2019 7:08 pm : link
In comment 14346104 Eric from BBI said:
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I know your views on this and you know mine. We have our own theories.

But what do you expect Shurmur to tell the press?


The guy was limping in the Bears game. I’m going to lean towards he was actually hurt and not a conspiracy that he chose to sit out that conveniently started getting mentioned when they traded him.
ajr2456  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/18/2019 7:09 pm : link
Actually, I was raising this issue back in December and I got slammed for it.
RE: Were my feelings irrational?  
santacruzom : 3/18/2019 7:27 pm : link
In comment 14345992 Go Terps said:
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The guy was traded a year after getting $95M.


Hell, not even a year.
RE: TTH  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/18/2019 8:10 pm : link
In comment 14346104 Eric from BBI said:
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I know your views on this and you know mine. We have our own theories.

But what do you expect Shurmur to tell the press?


If we're just going to assume Shurmur is lying into a conspiracy to cover up that his player, a known competitor who everyone agrees has a great work ethic, just decided to quit, then what's the point of anything? Why does it have to be more than that he was just hurt?
Victor Cruz and Odell Beckham  
Chris684 : 3/18/2019 8:17 pm : link
Two tag alongs of another dope in LeBron James who has showed his true colors more than once including yesterday and this year overall distancing himself from his struggling teammates on the bench when the going gets tough.


My issue with Cruz  
JOrthman : 3/18/2019 8:44 pm : link
He's either allowing himself to be used by the media or he's doing it intentionally. Every time they want to slam the Giants and/or Eli they call someone like Cruz up, put him on the show and use him to legitimize their complaint. AND before anyone makes the claim you can criticize the Giants and Eli and still be objective. I don't see him doing that.

The thing is, he's only making himself look bad. He was friends with OBJ so he only comes off as being bias. If that is how he wants to go out and be perceived, more power to him, but don't be surprised by the backlash.
RE: My issue with Cruz  
ajr2456 : 3/18/2019 8:47 pm : link
In comment 14346380 JOrthman said:
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He's either allowing himself to be used by the media or he's doing it intentionally. Every time they want to slam the Giants and/or Eli they call someone like Cruz up, put him on the show and use him to legitimize their complaint. AND before anyone makes the claim you can criticize the Giants and Eli and still be objective. I don't see him doing that.

The thing is, he's only making himself look bad. He was friends with OBJ so he only comes off as being bias. If that is how he wants to go out and be perceived, more power to him, but don't be surprised by the backlash.


What if he said the Odell stuff and that Eli could still play and to trust Gettleman?
Those are some nice reports TTH  
dep026 : 3/18/2019 8:53 pm : link
Too bad not one of them said he wasn’t medically cleared.
I am amazed that the players  
theold5j : 3/18/2019 8:55 pm : link
Dont get the business side of football. Like Cruz perfect example. The entire world knew he was getting cut when he did, except him. Or that's how he acted anyway. And Steve Smith on NFL network. You think they would know better.
Does anyone  
ajr2456 : 3/18/2019 9:01 pm : link
Who gets fired from a job ever think “you know what I deserved that”?

RE: RE: My issue with Cruz  
dep026 : 3/18/2019 9:02 pm : link
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He's either allowing himself to be used by the media or he's doing it intentionally. Every time they want to slam the Giants and/or Eli they call someone like Cruz up, put him on the show and use him to legitimize their complaint. AND before anyone makes the claim you can criticize the Giants and Eli and still be objective. I don't see him doing that.

The thing is, he's only making himself look bad. He was friends with OBJ so he only comes off as being bias. If that is how he wants to go out and be perceived, more power to him, but don't be surprised by the backlash.



What if he said the Odell stuff and that Eli could still play and to trust Gettleman?


Did he? Cause he has been critical of the Giants and Eli ever since he’s been cut.

Again... former athletes trying to stay relevant need a schtick.
RE: Does anyone  
theold5j : 3/18/2019 9:08 pm : link

If you were injred and didnt show up for work for 2 years you would expect to keep your job

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Who gets fired from a job ever think “you know what I deserved that”?
RE: RE: RE: Cruz would've been hated by BBI  
christian : 3/18/2019 9:10 pm : link
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Cruz WAS hated. Half the damn site insisted he was milking his injury while he was in rehab learning how to use his legs again.

There's a really ugly habit for this site to hate their own players.



Cruz;s act wore thin because his brand consumed more than his play. After the opener in 2013, he was at best a 4th WR. But it didnt stop him from talking or promoting himself on the side.

Not one poster took shots at him when he tore his patella, none.


Well I do remember you complaining about him dropping the pass when his leg and career exploded in the back of the end zone : ]
RE: RE: My issue with Cruz  
JOrthman : 3/18/2019 9:21 pm : link
In comment 14346386 ajr2456 said:
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He's either allowing himself to be used by the media or he's doing it intentionally. Every time they want to slam the Giants and/or Eli they call someone like Cruz up, put him on the show and use him to legitimize their complaint. AND before anyone makes the claim you can criticize the Giants and Eli and still be objective. I don't see him doing that.

The thing is, he's only making himself look bad. He was friends with OBJ so he only comes off as being bias. If that is how he wants to go out and be perceived, more power to him, but don't be surprised by the backlash.



What if he said the Odell stuff and that Eli could still play and to trust Gettleman?


He hasn't, so I can't prove a negative. I know what he has said. I watch a lot of the sports media clips throughout the season and off season and he is always on for the same reasons. They bring him on the talk about the Giants and very rarely is it ever a positive piece. Now, I'll admit in the beginning of last year he defended Eli somewhat, but after that he was in full pile on mode. It was almost like he went with the flow of whatever they wanted.

Now, that is my subjective take, but I'm saying this based on his appearances.
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ajr2456 : 3/18/2019 9:22 pm : link
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He's either allowing himself to be used by the media or he's doing it intentionally. Every time they want to slam the Giants and/or Eli they call someone like Cruz up, put him on the show and use him to legitimize their complaint. AND before anyone makes the claim you can criticize the Giants and Eli and still be objective. I don't see him doing that.

The thing is, he's only making himself look bad. He was friends with OBJ so he only comes off as being bias. If that is how he wants to go out and be perceived, more power to him, but don't be surprised by the backlash.



What if he said the Odell stuff and that Eli could still play and to trust Gettleman?



Did he? Cause he has been critical of the Giants and Eli ever since he’s been cut.

Again... former athletes trying to stay relevant need a schtick.


Sure if there weren’t things to be critical about. But this team has been dogshit since he left and Eli hasn’t been good.

Maybe he’s telling it how it is, and it’s not some vendetta.
RE: RE: RE: My issue with Cruz  
ajr2456 : 3/18/2019 9:25 pm : link
In comment 14346466 JOrthman said:
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Now, I'll admit in the beginning of last year he defended Eli somewhat, but after that he was in full pile on mode. It was almost like he went with the flow of whatever they wanted.

Now, that is my subjective take, but I'm saying this based on his appearances.


So in the beginning of last year he defended Eli, then when the team was 1-7 he started being critical?

I’m still waiting for the undeserved criticism Eli and the Giants have taken from Cruz. This isn’t 2005-2007 when Eli took undeserved shit, the criticism is valid whether we like it or not.
RE: RE: RE: RE: My issue with Cruz  
JOrthman : 3/18/2019 9:56 pm : link
In comment 14346477 ajr2456 said:
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Now, I'll admit in the beginning of last year he defended Eli somewhat, but after that he was in full pile on mode. It was almost like he went with the flow of whatever they wanted.

Now, that is my subjective take, but I'm saying this based on his appearances.



So in the beginning of last year he defended Eli, then when the team was 1-7 he started being critical?

I’m still waiting for the undeserved criticism Eli and the Giants have taken from Cruz. This isn’t 2005-2007 when Eli took undeserved shit, the criticism is valid whether we like it or not.


My post wasn't about Eli, it was about Victor Cruz. I almost hate to go down this rabbit hole because it takes away from the overall point. I'm willing to admit I'm having trouble explaining why I feel this way, but let me attempt again. I don't see how you could think Eli still had something left before the season started and feel the 1-7 season changed your mind. Eli was who he was, I saw nothing different in the 2017 version of Eli from the 2018 version of Eli. You either thought he was done or he wasn't and there was nothing really different.

My point was, I never see Cruz come on to talk about anything else other then the current state of the Giants. I don't see him analyzing other teams or the NFL. I see them bring him on with the Giants as the main focus. Again, they are bringing him on to legitimize their stance against the Giants.
It’s perfectly reasonable  
ajr2456 : 3/18/2019 10:04 pm : link
He thought Eli had something left and then changed his mind.

A quick google search shows Cruz on first take talking about a number of non Giants related football topics. Here is a clip from 4 months ago about him comparing them to the 2011 and saying they could run the table.

We’re making up stuff because he said negative things about the Giants.
Cruz - ( New Window )
Here’s an article about Cruz being too biased  
ajr2456 : 3/18/2019 10:07 pm : link
In the Giants favor because he predicted them to have a 10 win year.
10 wins - ( New Window )
RE: RE: RE: RE: My issue with Cruz  
dep026 : 3/18/2019 10:12 pm : link
In comment 14346469 ajr2456 said:
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He's either allowing himself to be used by the media or he's doing it intentionally. Every time they want to slam the Giants and/or Eli they call someone like Cruz up, put him on the show and use him to legitimize their complaint. AND before anyone makes the claim you can criticize the Giants and Eli and still be objective. I don't see him doing that.

The thing is, he's only making himself look bad. He was friends with OBJ so he only comes off as being bias. If that is how he wants to go out and be perceived, more power to him, but don't be surprised by the backlash.



What if he said the Odell stuff and that Eli could still play and to trust Gettleman?



Did he? Cause he has been critical of the Giants and Eli ever since he’s been cut.

Again... former athletes trying to stay relevant need a schtick.



Sure if there weren’t things to be critical about. But this team has been dogshit since he left and Eli hasn’t been good.

Maybe he’s telling it how it is, and it’s not some vendetta.


And if he took some shots at Obj for his behavior and antics, it would have more validity. But lo and behold, he didn’t.
So the  
ajr2456 : 3/18/2019 10:14 pm : link
Rest of his take is invalid because he didn’t take shots at Odell?

Here’s Cruz in August saying it was “blasphemous” to rank Eli second to last. Where are these “only hops on TV to say negative things” Cruz clips?
Cruz - ( New Window )
RE: So the  
dep026 : 3/18/2019 10:16 pm : link
In comment 14346535 ajr2456 said:
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Rest of his take is invalid because he didn’t take shots at Odell


Well if there is an interview about OBJ, and he takes pot shots at the Giants and Eli, then yes I would consider it invalid.
Seriousness of the quad injury  
morrison40 : 3/18/2019 10:16 pm : link
Lent itself to suspicion, but regardless of the medical tests, if a player of OBJs stature says it hurts and I can't go...he doesn't go. Compare his injury history over 5 seasons to Tate's over 10 years...quite a difference
So the  
ajr2456 : 3/18/2019 10:17 pm : link
Rest of his take is invalid because he didn’t take shots at Odell?

Here’s Cruz in August saying it was “blasphemous” to rank Eli second to last. Where are these “only hops on TV to say negative things” Cruz clips?
Cruz - ( New Window )
RE: RE: So the  
ajr2456 : 3/18/2019 10:20 pm : link
In comment 14346538 dep026 said:
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Rest of his take is invalid because he didn’t take shots at Odell



Well if there is an interview about OBJ, and he takes pot shots at the Giants and Eli, then yes I would consider it invalid.


So you’re basing your whole opinion on Cruz on a messageboard post without even knowing how it was set up. It’s likely they were separate questions and he didn’t just start taking shots at Eli when talking about Odell.
Cruz is a piece of shit  
GeorgeAdams33 : 3/19/2019 12:10 am : link
I bet Jay-Z had his way with the little bitch too
RE: Cruz is a piece of shit  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/19/2019 7:28 am : link
In comment 14346638 GeorgeAdams33 said:
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I bet Jay-Z had his way with the little bitch too


What an odd fucking take this is. Something you want to share, George?
RE: Those are some nice reports TTH  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/19/2019 7:30 am : link
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Too bad not one of them said he wasn’t medically cleared.


You would think going to HSS for his injury and then not practicing and the coach saying "it was clear he couldn't play" would be enough, but I should have known otherwise.
Here's the practice report. You tell me if he was cleared.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/19/2019 7:33 am : link
https://www.giants.com/team/injury-report/week/REG-14

You said he wasn’t medically cleared  
dep026 : 3/19/2019 7:53 am : link
There are no reports in it. And that’s for one week.

I know it May be blasphemy to think OBJ made a business decision sitting 4 games... but it doesn’t make it less true.
RE: TTH  
BP in Delray : 3/19/2019 8:09 am : link
In comment 14346104 Eric from BBI said:
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I know your views on this and you know mine. We have our own theories.

But what do you expect Shurmur to tell the press?


I have it on good authority that Shurmur benched Odell.
RE: Would OBJ be okay with the deal  
trueblueinpw : 3/19/2019 8:27 pm : link
In comment 14345724 montanagiant said:
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If we threw in a Pizza and a skank doing blow in the deal?


I mean, that would make me feel better. You know, if you’re offering.
RE: RE: Cruz is a piece of shit  
GeorgeAdams33 : 3/21/2019 9:09 pm : link
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I bet Jay-Z had his way with the little bitch too



What an odd fucking take this is. Something you want to share, George?



Don't worry, your secret is safe.
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