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The 12th Man : 3/18/2019 1:47 pm
He just made a very interesting comment. He said he spoke to Odell, Odell felt he was never really appreciated by the Giants FO. He also stated Odell was upset that he did not get an opportunity o pick the team he was going to. I find that a very interesting comment. Victor Cruz took a shot saying he does not believe the Giants have a plan. My guess he will not becoming back to visit the Giants or their FO anytime soon. He went on to say Eli's best years are behind him. Very interesting.
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RE: felt he was never really appreciated by the Giants FO  
Beer Man : 3/18/2019 2:17 pm : link
In comment 14345302 Torrag said:
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$95M for a player that caused more than his share of, let's call them distractions, tobe kind. Yeah, sure, he was undervalued and underappreciated /sarcasm off.

Go the fuck away already.
I guess they didn't bow down and kiss his ring. That or because they didn't see the value of his most memorable simulation of a dog marking the end-zone as his territory.
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Go Terps : 3/18/2019 2:19 pm : link
In comment 14345414 Eric from BBI said:
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Product of his generation. Odell thinks he is a victim.


I don't know that I'd blame the generation. Beckham in any generation is a human cancer.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Cruz' relationship with this team has been weird  
UConn4523 : 3/18/2019 2:20 pm : link
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and the comments about the plan support that. He's taking the players side on this, which is fine, but he should admit that.

As for the supposed Beckham comments, why would we let him pick where he should go? If he wasn't appreciated why did the Giants give him all that money.

Dumb comments from Cruz.



Or he's doing his job as a media analyst. If he legitimately thinks they don't have a plan, does him being a former Giant mean he shouldn't criticize the team?



No, not at all. I'm just skeptical that he knows anything at all about our plans. When you talk about Beckham's hurt feelings and parlay that into the Giants not having a plan, I'll call bullshit on it.

If someone more reputable and close to the team, like a David Diehl, made these comments it would hold more water.



This sounds more like the typical "say something negative about the Giants, you're a hack" theme that runs this site. If he said "trust Dave he knows what he's doing" we'b be slobbering him. Instead we have posters taking shots at his career, a guy who was huge in winning us our last championship.


No shots taken from me. I can only speak for myself, and I simply question Cruz's ability to separate being a player from being an "analyst". Him being cut wasn't something he enjoyed (can't blame him) and he just hasn't been known as a guy close to the FO since he left. So yeah, I have a reason to believe he's taking Beckham's "side" on this and isn't thinking objectively.

I think DG has a plan, he's been executing on it for a while now in clearing cap space. He realized Bekcham wasn't going to work here for one reason or another and did what he thought was best for the team.

These "doesn't have a plan" posts are just as dumb as the "Kansas City Model" posts - both are beyond stupid yet people continue to post it anyway.
RE: RE: RE: Cruz would've been hated by BBI  
hitdog42 : 3/18/2019 2:20 pm : link
In comment 14345397 dep026 said:
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Cruz WAS hated. Half the damn site insisted he was milking his injury while he was in rehab learning how to use his legs again.

There's a really ugly habit for this site to hate their own players.



Cruz;s act wore thin because his brand consumed more than his play. After the opener in 2013, he was at best a 4th WR. But it didnt stop him from talking or promoting himself on the side.

Not one poster took shots at him when he tore his patella, none.


you were locked in to hating an injured nicks at the time
dep, he was a 1,000 yard receiver in 2013  
Kyle in NY : 3/18/2019 2:22 pm : link
during the worst season of Eli's career. He was a good player up until the injury. Then he had nothing left. Still had the single greatest season for a WR in franchise history.

Would you not say that you do have a tendency to get defensive very quickly, finding any fault possible, with a player/analyst who suggests that Eli is no longer part of the solution? Because Cruz had off the field interests, his opinion is invalid? That doesn't make much sense


How would you feel  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 3/18/2019 2:22 pm : link
if you went out and broke records, and bust your ass on the field and earned a contract, but at the end of the day you get blamed for absolutely everything that has gone wrong with the team since you arrived?

I can understand where he is coming from. I mean people just won't stop shitting on him.
Cruz had 3 100 yard games after the opener  
ajr2456 : 3/18/2019 2:23 pm : link
and had 73 catches for 1000 yards and 4 tds. That's a 4th WR?
RE: RE: RE: I absolutely LOVE sending a prima Donna...  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 3/18/2019 2:23 pm : link
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...to fucking CLEVELAND.

Hope he liked last season. They BREED Zero win seasons up there.



This comment is going to be amusing when the Browns are much better than the Giants next season.

I know. Might eat my words. But I have seen the Browns Lombardi trophy case. :D

Plus, it's a lousy town for someone that flashy. As blue collar rust belt as it gets, cold and grey half the year.

Take him to Cleveland! It's a close 2nd.
Go Terps  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/18/2019 2:23 pm : link
You're probably right, but this victim mentality is spreading like weeds.

What does Odell have to bitch about?

He just got a 5-year, $95 million contract. He played 12 games. He got traded away from a losing football team with a QB he didn't like. He got traded to an up-and-coming football team with his best friend.

But it's not enough. Is it Odell?
Coach Red Beaulieu  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/18/2019 2:24 pm : link
Great movie.
RE: dep, he was a 1,000 yard receiver in 2013  
dep026 : 3/18/2019 2:25 pm : link
In comment 14345437 Kyle in NY said:
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during the worst season of Eli's career. He was a good player up until the injury. Then he had nothing left. Still had the single greatest season for a WR in franchise history.

Would you not say that you do have a tendency to get defensive very quickly, finding any fault possible, with a player/analyst who suggests that Eli is no longer part of the solution? Because Cruz had off the field interests, his opinion is invalid? That doesn't make much sense



I think his 2013 is extremely overrated due to the fact that he had a monster first game, and his production was borderline for the rest of the year. Again, our team stunk which was not his fault.... but its not like he stood up and made us better either. He made it well known that he valued a brand a helluva lot more after 2012 and it wasnt coindicental that hsi production dropped as well.

His opinion now of something is about the same as a disgruntled ex-employee. He wasnt happy how his tenure ended up here as well. This isnt the first time he has taken a shot at the Giants and wont be the last.
RE: How would you feel  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/18/2019 2:25 pm : link
In comment 14345438 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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if you went out and broke records, and bust your ass on the field and earned a contract, but at the end of the day you get blamed for absolutely everything that has gone wrong with the team since you arrived?

I can understand where he is coming from. I mean people just won't stop shitting on him.


Oh BS. No one is blaming him for everything that went wrong. We all know what the issues were.

LOL..what did Francessa call OBJ...??  
BillKo : 3/18/2019 2:26 pm : link
A "three teamer"??

He'll be on his third team soon...............
I look forward to seeing what else leaks out about Beckham's time here  
Go Terps : 3/18/2019 2:27 pm : link
A lot of posters here still need to wake up.
RE: RE: How would you feel  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 3/18/2019 2:28 pm : link
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if you went out and broke records, and bust your ass on the field and earned a contract, but at the end of the day you get blamed for absolutely everything that has gone wrong with the team since you arrived?

I can understand where he is coming from. I mean people just won't stop shitting on him.



Oh BS. No one is blaming him for everything that went wrong. We all know what the issues were.



That's not BS, check out everyone writing his production off here. He's a cancer he's this he's that.
A player with a short career length  
ajr2456 : 3/18/2019 2:29 pm : link
having an off field brand is a bad thing? Thankfully for Cruz he had an off field brand.
BigBlueDownTheShore  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/18/2019 2:30 pm : link
Criticism (valid or invalid) of certain aspects of his presence here does not equate to why the Giants were not winning.

You ask any Giants fan the worst aspect of the team the past five years and the first thing they will say is the offensive line...followed by a list of 6, 7, or 8 other things before you got to Beckham.

Don't be so thin-skinned about Beckham criticism.
Funny. The same people who say Super Bowls give Eli a lifetime pass  
Greg from LI : 3/18/2019 2:33 pm : link
are running down Victor Cruz, without whom they don't win in 2011.
Francesa's buddy Bill Parcells was a "four-teamer."  
bceagle05 : 3/18/2019 2:33 pm : link
Divas come in all shapes and sizes, and it's hardly a generational thing.
RE: A player with a short career length  
dep026 : 3/18/2019 2:34 pm : link
In comment 14345472 ajr2456 said:
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having an off field brand is a bad thing? Thankfully for Cruz he had an off field brand.


Yes thank god he cared for something more than football. Really helped us out, didnt it?
RE: Funny. The same people who say Super Bowls give Eli a lifetime pass  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/18/2019 2:34 pm : link
In comment 14345480 Greg from LI said:
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are running down Victor Cruz, without whom they don't win in 2011.


Greg, the Giants don't even get a whiff of the playoffs without Eli, Cruz, and Nicks in 2011. Most fans recognize that.
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Dnew15 : 3/18/2019 2:34 pm : link
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Product of his generation. Odell thinks he is a victim.



I don't know that I'd blame the generation. Beckham in any generation is a human cancer.


I think it was easier to hide these kinds of guys from your fanbase back in the day. I also think he's the kind of player that the rest of locker room would "take care of" back in the day.
Amazing how people cant still see  
dep026 : 3/18/2019 2:35 pm : link
on how having a diva WR can be more detrimental than worth their production. Thats exactly what Cruz was post 2012.
'are running down Victor Cruz'.  
Torrag : 3/18/2019 2:35 pm : link
When Eli publicly comments in a negative fashion about the team your post will gain validity. For now it's simply crap.
RE: RE: Funny. The same people who say Super Bowls give Eli a lifetime pass  
dep026 : 3/18/2019 2:35 pm : link
In comment 14345483 Eric from BBI said:
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are running down Victor Cruz, without whom they don't win in 2011.



Greg, the Giants don't even get a whiff of the playoffs without Eli, Cruz, and Nicks in 2011. Most fans recognize that.


Of course we do. Doesnt fit their miserable narratives though.
Poor Beckham  
ZogZerg : 3/18/2019 2:36 pm : link
The F-ing Giants are meany assholes!

I hope he will be OK.
Maybe they have counseling for him in Cleveland?
RE: Francesa's buddy Bill Parcells was a  
BillKo : 3/18/2019 2:37 pm : link
In comment 14345481 bceagle05 said:
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Divas come in all shapes and sizes, and it's hardly a generational thing.


Diva Parcells wins though.........

Book still to be written by OBJ.
RE: RE: A player with a short career length  
ajr2456 : 3/18/2019 2:37 pm : link
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having an off field brand is a bad thing? Thankfully for Cruz he had an off field brand.



Yes thank god he cared for something more than football. Really helped us out, didnt it?


His 241 receptions before the year he got hurt certainly helped the Giants. You seem to have some fantasy of the 1980s where players are only football players.

How Cruz building his off field brand any different than Eli doing commercials? You really think Cruz doing stuff on the side actually affected his game?

Did Victor Cruz's off field brand make Eli throw 27 interceptions to only 18 TDs?
RE: How would you feel  
section125 : 3/18/2019 2:38 pm : link
In comment 14345438 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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if you went out and broke records, and bust your ass on the field and earned a contract, but at the end of the day you get blamed for absolutely everything that has gone wrong with the team since you arrived?

I can understand where he is coming from. I mean people just won't stop shitting on him.


Just read your post and thought you were talking about Eli - fits him better than OBJ because Eli has been blamed for everything wrong with the team, Odell has only been blamed for being Odell.

Understand that I am a bigtime OBJ fan and defended him all last year.
Yes he earned the contract after he had to be cajoled by the HC into changing his attitude. Yet, 3 months into that contract he basically bad mouths the team and his QB. Supposedly took himself out of the last 4 games. Was he injured/hurt yes, except he played directly after the injury when it was at its worst.

Most people freaked out in support of Odell. But as usual when the behind the scenes info eventually leaks (why would the trade him?) it supports that he did the most to doom his time with the team. Explosive personality that continued to cause the team problems that the team kept quiet about. Now he supposedly wanted a voice in where he should be traded? It does not work that way when the team needs to eat $16 mill to ship you off.
That 2011 grouping of  
Dnew15 : 3/18/2019 2:38 pm : link
Eli, Nicks and Cruz was some of the most fun I had watching the NYG offense operate.
All 3 on top of their games were fun to watch.
AND - I know that Kevin Gilbride took a lot of shots around here, but he did some awesome things to make that offense click.
RE: RE: Francesa's buddy Bill Parcells was a  
bceagle05 : 3/18/2019 2:39 pm : link
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Diva Parcells wins though.........

Book still to be written by OBJ.

Absolutely, I just get a little defensive when the "back in my day" stuff gets introduced.
RE: 'are running down Victor Cruz'.  
Greg from LI : 3/18/2019 2:39 pm : link
In comment 14345489 Torrag said:
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When Eli publicly comments in a negative fashion about the team your post will gain validity. For now it's simply crap.


How dare he! Doesn't he know his role is to spew propaganda that makes the Giants look good?
Let him go into John Dorsey's office and ask  
bradshaw44 : 3/18/2019 2:40 pm : link
for a trade somewhere warm.
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dep026 : 3/18/2019 2:40 pm : link
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having an off field brand is a bad thing? Thankfully for Cruz he had an off field brand.



Yes thank god he cared for something more than football. Really helped us out, didnt it?



His 241 receptions before the year he got hurt certainly helped the Giants. You seem to have some fantasy of the 1980s where players are only football players.

How Cruz building his off field brand any different than Eli doing commercials? You really think Cruz doing stuff on the side actually affected his game?

Did Victor Cruz's off field brand make Eli throw 27 interceptions to only 18 TDs?


Lol. It’s like you can’t even read.

Cruz was terrible in 2013... no matter how much you want to blame Eli.
RE: 'are running down Victor Cruz'.  
Dnew15 : 3/18/2019 2:41 pm : link
In comment 14345489 Torrag said:
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When Eli publicly comments in a negative fashion about the team your post will gain validity. For now it's simply crap.


I'll bet Eli could write one hell of a book.
The Tiki years
The TC transition
The super bowl runs
The Plax incident
THe Shockey years
The Odell years
The benching for Geno
I'd buy that shit.
'Doesn't he know his role'...  
Torrag : 3/18/2019 2:43 pm : link
That's not the point. It's his right to say anything he wants. You can't then get upset when the fans respond in kind. The Giants were very fair and patient with Cruz's injury and attempts to comeback. They paid him a lot of money in appreciation of his contributions when he wasn't producing. Is it unreasonable to expect some loyalty when the player moves into a media role? I don't believe so.
The new age players are weird  
moespree : 3/18/2019 2:43 pm : link
They feel they're owed a lot more than they actually are. He was not a free agent. What makes him think he should have been able to pick the team he was traded to?
One of the saddest days for me as a Giants fan was when VC got hurt  
Torrag : 3/18/2019 2:44 pm : link
One of my favorite players of All Time.
RE: felt he was never really appreciated by the Giants FO  
DavidinBMNY : 3/18/2019 2:44 pm : link
In comment 14345302 Torrag said:
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$95M for a player that caused more than his share of, let's call them distractions, tobe kind. Yeah, sure, he was undervalued and underappreciated /sarcasm off.

Go the fuck away already.
What a joke.
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ajr2456 : 3/18/2019 2:44 pm : link
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having an off field brand is a bad thing? Thankfully for Cruz he had an off field brand.



Yes thank god he cared for something more than football. Really helped us out, didnt it?



His 241 receptions before the year he got hurt certainly helped the Giants. You seem to have some fantasy of the 1980s where players are only football players.

How Cruz building his off field brand any different than Eli doing commercials? You really think Cruz doing stuff on the side actually affected his game?

Did Victor Cruz's off field brand make Eli throw 27 interceptions to only 18 TDs?



Lol. It’s like you can’t even read.

Cruz was terrible in 2013... no matter how much you want to blame Eli.


We'll revisit this when you're fawning over Golden Tate's 70 catches and 1000 yards in a 6-10 season.

Maybe Cruz was bad in 2013 because the quarterback was bad , Nicks couldn't recover and the next best option was Reuban Randle.
Maybe Cruz was bad  
dep026 : 3/18/2019 2:45 pm : link
Because Cruz was bad. And was bad to start 2014 as well.
Wasn't 90m a good amount of "appreciation"?  
TommytheElephant : 3/18/2019 2:46 pm : link
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And Eli was bad  
ajr2456 : 3/18/2019 2:47 pm : link
in 2016, 2017, 2018 and is still bad now. Or does that only work for the other players on the team?
RE: And yet we know this is complete bullshit because  
The 12th Man : 3/18/2019 2:47 pm : link
In comment 14345363 Brown Recluse said:
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Beckham provided a short list of teams he'd like to be traded to.

So kindly f*ck off Victor.


This may make much more sense, The Giants reach out to his short list none of those teams are interested in trading for him other than the 49ers. $9ers continue to low ball knowing that was where he wanted to go. DG now knows if Odell forces his hand to get out of here if this season goes south, you have now left a better package on the table. So now he listens to what Dorsey is offering counters knows no way he gets this deal if OBJ goes AB on him. Counters, and away we go he is gone. If things do not go well in Cleveland, they will be the team trading him making to San Fran and not getting fair value.
Whether or not  
Kyle in NY : 3/18/2019 2:50 pm : link
he was terrible in 2013 (he wasn't, get a grip). Or whether he was too focused on off the field business. What does that have to do with what he said? His job is not to spread propaganda for this organization. I'm optimistic moving forward, but the Giants have not exactly earned the benefit of the doubt yet.
RE: Wasn't 90m a good amount of  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/18/2019 2:50 pm : link
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Yes. And he ended up getting traded to one of the teams he wanted to play for. But it's never enough.

Let's state the obvious here. Odell won. He got everything (or almost everything) he wanted.
Victor  
Bubba : 3/18/2019 2:50 pm : link
and OB who?
If Cruz’s  
ajr2456 : 3/18/2019 2:51 pm : link
2013 was “propped up by some good games” don’t come on here quoting Eli stats from any of the last three years.
How dare Cruz say Eli's best days are behind him  
Jimmy Googs : 3/18/2019 2:54 pm : link
only we can say that about our pledges...
Yes he was terrible  
dep026 : 3/18/2019 2:56 pm : link
And a person taking shots at the Giants to stay relevant and side with a known head case?

Sorry, not my cup of tea.
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