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The 12th Man : 3/18/2019 1:47 pm
He just made a very interesting comment. He said he spoke to Odell, Odell felt he was never really appreciated by the Giants FO. He also stated Odell was upset that he did not get an opportunity o pick the team he was going to. I find that a very interesting comment. Victor Cruz took a shot saying he does not believe the Giants have a plan. My guess he will not becoming back to visit the Giants or their FO anytime soon. He went on to say Eli's best years are behind him. Very interesting.
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RE: If Cruz’s  
dep026 : 3/18/2019 2:56 pm : link
In comment 14345544 ajr2456 said:
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2013 was “propped up by some good games” don’t come on here quoting Eli stats from any of the last three years.


Another post that makes sense.

What hell isnwrong with BBI these days?
Lol doing it stay relevant.  
ajr2456 : 3/18/2019 2:57 pm : link
Like there isn’t potential merit to what he said about Eli and the Giants.

Never change.
I hope you do change  
dep026 : 3/18/2019 3:00 pm : link
BBI would be better for it.
RE: Yes he was terrible  
Kyle in NY : 3/18/2019 3:02 pm : link
In comment 14345557 dep026 said:
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And a person taking shots at the Giants to stay relevant and side with a known head case?

Sorry, not my cup of tea.


Don't exaggerate to make your point. But alright, a 1,000 yard season on the 28th ranked offense is terrible, good to know. It still has next to nothing to do with his credibility in his current role though.

Also maybe I'm misreading the original post but is he siding with Odell or just relaying what Odell said? It's not a shot to say the Giants don't have a plan. DG can say whatever he wants but until it plays out on the field, they have not earned the benefit of the doubt.
RE: I hope you do change  
ajr2456 : 3/18/2019 3:04 pm : link
In comment 14345574 dep026 said:
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BBI would be better for it.


Feelings mutual
RE: ...  
JonC : 3/18/2019 3:05 pm : link
In comment 14345414 Eric from BBI said:
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Product of his generation. Odell thinks he is a victim.


He's massively spoiled and entitled. That's not new to professional athletes, but the level it reaches now with the insane money and access to the best life has to offer ... they literally live in a universe few of us get to experience, it warps the perspective.
OBJ isn't going to be too happy  
Canton : 3/18/2019 3:06 pm : link
That his buddy Victor Cruz, threw him under the bus, with ownership and the players of his new team.

Can't believe he wanted input on picking his new team. Good luck explaining that to Cleveland and the fans.
JonC  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/18/2019 3:11 pm : link
I get it. These guys are coddled at all levels. And it came easy to Odell after "the catch."

But just a hint of perspective here is needed.

It seems like some of the players now believe they are bigger than the League.
RE: RE: Yes he was terrible  
dep026 : 3/18/2019 3:12 pm : link
In comment 14345581 Kyle in NY said:
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In comment 14345557 dep026 said:


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And a person taking shots at the Giants to stay relevant and side with a known head case?

Sorry, not my cup of tea.



Don't exaggerate to make your point. But alright, a 1,000 yard season on the 28th ranked offense is terrible, good to know. It still has next to nothing to do with his credibility in his current role though.

Also maybe I'm misreading the original post but is he siding with Odell or just relaying what Odell said? It's not a shot to say the Giants don't have a plan. DG can say whatever he wants but until it plays out on the field, they have not earned the benefit of the doubt.


Answer these riddles?

Did he take a shot at Eli?
Did he take a shot at the Giants?
Did he take a shot at Odell?

One of the answer is no... take a guess which one.
Cleveland will appreciate him  
mdc1 : 3/18/2019 3:12 pm : link
. lol have fun in Cleveland Odell...long way from LA
I will never forgot a business trip recently  
mdc1 : 3/18/2019 3:18 pm : link
wearing my Giants hat, visiting Atlanta, check in the hotel and some elderly AA women asks where you guys from? DC, Ah redskins fans, my buddy goes no I'm Raven's and he is Giants and she immediately says "that guy Beckham has mental problems". Out of the mouth of babes.
This shit is why I never warmed....  
Reb8thVA : 3/18/2019 3:20 pm : link
to him.

$95 million dollars and you whine about not being appreciated?

Cry me a river!

He should be happy he didnt end up in Buffalo. A fate far worse than Cleveland.
dep  
Kyle in NY : 3/18/2019 3:24 pm : link
according to the OP he said Eli's best years are behind him. You know that I respect your opinion, but are you so deeply entrenched defending Eli that you're viewing that as a shot? It's just a fact, he's 38. This is true for every single player in any sport at age 38
If anything  
Kyle in NY : 3/18/2019 3:25 pm : link
it's just showing that Cruz needs to step up his game as an analyst. A blind man could see Eli's best days are behind him, and that's no disrespect to our QB
RE: RE: ...  
RobCarpenter : 3/18/2019 3:25 pm : link
In comment 14345587 JonC said:
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In comment 14345414 Eric from BBI said:


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Product of his generation. Odell thinks he is a victim.

He's massively spoiled and entitled. That's not new to professional athletes, but the level it reaches now with the insane money and access to the best life has to offer ... they literally live in a universe few of us get to experience, it warps the perspective.


Every generation has arrogant pricks. And every generation has people who aren't.

Unless he gets injured, Barkley will probably make more $$$ than OBJ ever will, both in endorsements and with his player contracts. And he'll never be an arrogant douche.
RE: JonC  
JonC : 3/18/2019 3:26 pm : link
In comment 14345605 Eric from BBI said:
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I get it. These guys are coddled at all levels. And it came easy to Odell after "the catch."

But just a hint of perspective here is needed.

It seems like some of the players now believe they are bigger than the League.


If their sights change from winning to fame and fortune, absolutely. Money and fame have blown past the original intent of the career.
He can fuck off about not being appreciated  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 3/18/2019 3:26 pm : link
But it's totally fair of him not being happy being traded to CLE.

The narrative of OBJ not wanting to be here, IMO, is false. You don't sign a 5 year extention in a place you don't wanna be.

Just my 2 cents.
RE: RE: RE: ...  
JonC : 3/18/2019 3:27 pm : link
In comment 14345655 RobCarpenter said:
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In comment 14345587 JonC said:


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In comment 14345414 Eric from BBI said:


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Product of his generation. Odell thinks he is a victim.

He's massively spoiled and entitled. That's not new to professional athletes, but the level it reaches now with the insane money and access to the best life has to offer ... they literally live in a universe few of us get to experience, it warps the perspective.



Every generation has arrogant pricks. And every generation has people who aren't.

Unless he gets injured, Barkley will probably make more $$$ than OBJ ever will, both in endorsements and with his player contracts. And he'll never be an arrogant douche.


It's not every player (or millenial), but I think it's cleary much more pervasive now than it ever was.
Eric-  
Sean : 3/18/2019 3:28 pm : link
The catch against Dallas in 2014 changed everything. A catch made in a losing effort for a team which was 3-8 at the time. After that, it was all about Beckham.
He quit right after that business decision  
SirLoinOfBeef : 3/18/2019 3:29 pm : link
on the onside kick vs Chicago. Sat out the rest of the season. Or mgt told him to rest his injury and not risk further damage since they knew they were trading him. I don't know, I can only speculate. Feels like he didn't want to be here anymore.

I believe they signed him to that contract because they wanted him around- whether for on the field production or a barging chip for future trades.
RE: dep  
dep026 : 3/18/2019 3:29 pm : link
In comment 14345647 Kyle in NY said:
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according to the OP he said Eli's best years are behind him. You know that I respect your opinion, but are you so deeply entrenched defending Eli that you're viewing that as a shot? It's just a fact, he's 38. This is true for every single player in any sport at age 38


He’s been knocking Eli since he retired and the giants as well. The ace is there.

I know he’s shot too. And he may be right about the Giants. But doesn’t an analyst who is good at their job should be objective. At no point does he knock Beckham. A true analyst would have scoffed st Beckham’s request. A true analyst would acknowledge his cancerous ways.

He doesn’t hence why his opinion doesn’t hold fruition for me.
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Kyle in NY : 3/18/2019 3:32 pm : link
I guess I've missed the other comments he's made
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Banks : 3/18/2019 3:32 pm : link
I'd like to know how the FO is supposed to show appreciation other than fat contracts. Did he not a personalized Christmas card from Mara, Tisch, and Gettleman?
I was one of several who posted this when the trade news first broke  
mfsd : 3/18/2019 3:32 pm : link
I really think a final straw was seeing what AB did to the Steelers. Once that happened, DG, Mara et al decided to push the button on OBJ before he had a chance to do the same to the Giants.

The return wasn’t what we might have gotten last offseason, but it’s better than the 2 mid round picks the Steelers got
Cleveland better hold onto the rails...  
bw in dc : 3/18/2019 3:35 pm : link
because OBJ is undoubtedly going to bring a huge sh-t storm there. Despite all the good vibes with Landry and Mayfield, that's going to be short-lived. OBJ just can't help himself.

The best part of the trade for us may not be the #17 pick, Peppers or the extra third. I think all of those could fail and it would still be the wise move merely based on addition by subtraction.
RE: He can fuck off about not being appreciated  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/18/2019 3:40 pm : link
In comment 14345659 Tim in Eternal Blue said:
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But it's totally fair of him not being happy being traded to CLE.

The narrative of OBJ not wanting to be here, IMO, is false. You don't sign a 5 year extention in a place you don't wanna be.

Just my 2 cents.


You would think. But after he signed, he made noise about about being in California. He also has not hidden his desire to play with Landry.
Would OBJ be okay with the deal  
montanagiant : 3/18/2019 3:49 pm : link
If we threw in a Pizza and a skank doing blow in the deal?
RE: Cleveland better hold onto the rails...  
montanagiant : 3/18/2019 3:50 pm : link
In comment 14345693 bw in dc said:
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because OBJ is undoubtedly going to bring a huge sh-t storm there. Despite all the good vibes with Landry and Mayfield, that's going to be short-lived. OBJ just can't help himself.

The best part of the trade for us may not be the #17 pick, Peppers or the extra third. I think all of those could fail and it would still be the wise move merely based on addition by subtraction.

I agree with this
RE: RE: dep  
Greg from LI : 3/18/2019 3:52 pm : link
In comment 14345673 dep026 said:
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He’s been knocking Eli since he retired


QUICK, TO THE FAINTING COUCH!!!!!
RE: RE: RE: dep  
dep026 : 3/18/2019 3:59 pm : link
In comment 14345731 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 14345673 dep026 said:


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He’s been knocking Eli since he retired



QUICK, TO THE FAINTING COUCH!!!!!


I pray to be as optimistic as you one day.
RE: RE: He can fuck off about not being appreciated  
montanagiant : 3/18/2019 4:04 pm : link
In comment 14345703 Eric from BBI said:
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But it's totally fair of him not being happy being traded to CLE.

The narrative of OBJ not wanting to be here, IMO, is false. You don't sign a 5 year extention in a place you don't wanna be.

Just my 2 cents.



You would think. But after he signed, he made noise about about being in California. He also has not hidden his desire to play with Landry.

That's the part that cracks me up and illustrates how flaky he can be. He says he was shocked to get traded yet he spent from Sept on basically working towards it. When you think of how pissed off the FO, Owners, and Shurmer were after he goes and shits on the team right after signing a great contract it was inevitable.

Add in the injury (a bruise), the F**k off to the Coach, leaving the field before time had expired, the dog pissing in the EZ and yet he's "Shocked"?
RE: What a gigantic fucking asshole Beckham is  
djm : 3/18/2019 4:21 pm : link
In comment 14345346 Go Terps said:
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Lol... hard to argue. Great player. Great asshole.
99 yards ve Jets  
arniefez : 3/18/2019 4:30 pm : link
Thank you Victor Cruz. That won the Giants a Super Bowl and ended the Rex Ryan run with the Jets.

Eli's best days are behind him at 38? Groundbreaking stuff.

As far as Beckum goes the Giants sent him to Cleveland. Baker, Jarvis the really good defense. None of that matters. I don't believe it was random or that they were blown away by the Browns offer. Gettleman said he didn't even shop the offer. They sent him to Cleveland.

I get in 2019 you can be a star in any city. But Beckum getting sent to Cleveland is damn funny no matter how they do on the field.

I'll set the over/under on two years before the Browns have to get him out of there because he's not worth the drama and I'll take the under.
montanagiant  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/18/2019 4:33 pm : link
The first red flag was the "I don't like water" comments regarding the IV issues.

But I got more than a little worried when he got hurt, came back and played the following week and seemed alright, but then sat for the final four weeks. At the time, Shurmur kept saying he expected him back.
I can see Cleveland having  
Doomster : 3/18/2019 4:39 pm : link
a good season this year.....and then there will be high expectations for the following year.....and that's when the shit will hit the fan....
RE: I can see Cleveland having  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 3/18/2019 4:50 pm : link
In comment 14345896 Doomster said:
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a good season this year.....and then there will be high expectations for the following year.....and that's when the shit will hit the fan....


They are paper champions. Their roster looks amazing. Can a first year HC corral those troops? Should be fun to watch.
RE: montanagiant  
ajr2456 : 3/18/2019 4:50 pm : link
In comment 14345874 Eric from BBI said:
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The first red flag was the "I don't like water" comments regarding the IV issues.

But I got more than a little worried when he got hurt, came back and played the following week and seemed alright, but then sat for the final four weeks. At the time, Shurmur kept saying he expected him back.


He was visibly limping during the Bears game, I wouldn't say he seemed alright
what's wrong with Cruz  
santacruzom : 3/18/2019 4:53 pm : link
voicing a negative opinion? He's just as entitled to that as BBI'ers who said he was the most overrated WR in the league and that his contract was a huge mistake mere moments after his injury.

It was cold, but it was true -- his contract WAS a huge mistake. Just as his words now just may be true.
Oh Victor, let it go.  
BBelle21 : 3/18/2019 4:58 pm : link
What a difference in tone and maturity between Justin Tuck’s comments after retirement, and Victor Cruz’s who has passive aggressively taken shot after shot at the Giants and Eli. When fans get in an uproar over something Victor said, he apologizes and plays the victim card again saying his words were twisted. Lol. Victor never could own up to his own bull sh!t after winning a SB.
RE: RE: felt he was never really appreciated by the Giants FO  
markky : 3/18/2019 5:02 pm : link
In comment 14345423 Beer Man said:
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$95M for a player that caused more than his share of, let's call them distractions, tobe kind. Yeah, sure, he was undervalued and underappreciated /sarcasm off.

Go the fuck away already.

I guess they didn't bow down and kiss his ring. That or because they didn't see the value of his most memorable simulation of a dog marking the end-zone as his territory.


he doesn't have a ring
I don't think I've ever seen a BBI thread full of such horseshit  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 3/18/2019 5:14 pm : link
and nonsense. "Eli Manning's best years are behind him" would be considered unassailable fact in any other corner of the globe or internet, but here, it's a reason to attack Victor Cruz.

Anyone who calls a player "a cancer" is an imbecile.
RE: RE: He can fuck off about not being appreciated  
Matt M. : 3/18/2019 5:14 pm : link
In comment 14345703 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 14345659 Tim in Eternal Blue said:


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But it's totally fair of him not being happy being traded to CLE.

The narrative of OBJ not wanting to be here, IMO, is false. You don't sign a 5 year extention in a place you don't wanna be.

Just my 2 cents.



You would think. But after he signed, he made noise about about being in California. He also has not hidden his desire to play with Landry.
Exactly. Appreciation? The ink wasn't even dry on his $95M deal and he was talking about the teams he wanted to play for. How's that for appreciation?
RE: I don't think I've ever seen a BBI thread full of such horseshit  
Go Terps : 3/18/2019 5:29 pm : link
In comment 14345962 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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and nonsense. "Eli Manning's best years are behind him" would be considered unassailable fact in any other corner of the globe or internet, but here, it's a reason to attack Victor Cruz.

Anyone who calls a player "a cancer" is an imbecile.


I'd expect that from someone who, at any point, thought Shockey was the best.
RE: RE: I don't think I've ever seen a BBI thread full of such horseshit  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 3/18/2019 5:30 pm : link
In comment 14345984 Go Terps said:
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In comment 14345962 shockeyisthebest8056 said:


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and nonsense. "Eli Manning's best years are behind him" would be considered unassailable fact in any other corner of the globe or internet, but here, it's a reason to attack Victor Cruz.

Anyone who calls a player "a cancer" is an imbecile.



I'd expect that from someone who, at any point, thought Shockey was the best.


If you've ever dealt with people who have actual cancer, you'd find a better word to describe your irrational feelings about a football player.
Were my feelings irrational?  
Go Terps : 3/18/2019 5:33 pm : link
The guy was traded a year after getting $95M. Huge dead money this year and huge media criticism for doing such a drastic about face...and still the Giants saw fit to trade him.

If the usage of the word cancer offends you, I apologize. But I doubt it really does.
RE: montanagiant  
montanagiant : 3/18/2019 5:33 pm : link
In comment 14345874 Eric from BBI said:
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The first red flag was the "I don't like water" comments regarding the IV issues.

But I got more than a little worried when he got hurt, came back and played the following week and seemed alright, but then sat for the final four weeks. At the time, Shurmur kept saying he expected him back.

Yeah, the bruise that had him sit 4 games and that onside attempt vs Chicago was when you could tell he quit on the team. Keep in mind one of the things everyone saw was that even though we were out of it no player quit on the team except arguably OBJ.

The more you really dig into the situation the more you realize it had to be done and we actually got excellent value for it
RE: RE: montanagiant  
Thegratefulhead : 3/18/2019 5:43 pm : link
In comment 14345993 montanagiant said:
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In comment 14345874 Eric from BBI said:


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The first red flag was the "I don't like water" comments regarding the IV issues.

But I got more than a little worried when he got hurt, came back and played the following week and seemed alright, but then sat for the final four weeks. At the time, Shurmur kept saying he expected him back.


Yeah, the bruise that had him sit 4 games and that onside attempt vs Chicago was when you could tell he quit on the team. Keep in mind one of the things everyone saw was that even though we were out of it no player quit on the team except arguably OBJ.

The more you really dig into the situation the more you realize it had to be done and we actually got excellent value for it
yup.
So we're just looking past the part where he wasn't medically cleared  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/18/2019 5:52 pm : link
to practice or play? Shurmur himself said he had a setback.
Not sure who’s a bigger idiot  
ArlingtonMike : 3/18/2019 6:05 pm : link
Beckham for being his own BS or Cruz advocating for him. Amazing insight into the mind of an athlete. Good riddance
RE: So we're just looking past the part where he wasn't medically cleared  
dep026 : 3/18/2019 6:10 pm : link
In comment 14346015 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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to practice or play? Shurmur himself said he had a setback.


Is there a report on that?
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