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Young Elijah : 3/18/2019 3:56 pm
Hi All - Finishing my basement in central NJ. Its a clean dry slate about ~1000 sq ft. Will be looking for just one big open space and a small full bathroom.

I have fielded some quotes from GCs as well as some subs (where I would do the management of it all). Living in my township, I can pull my own permits and only need a rough inspection for the electrical - the town will do a final inspection when its all complete (guessing its a basic check as everything will be behind the walls).

I plan on using a SaniFlo toilet and keeping everything else very basic and clean. I am looking to hear some BBI stories, field some important tips and considerations, and get a take on where I stand with pricing.

To avoid going into too much detail (although I can if someone wants to provide in-depth analysis on all this) - the labor cost on the job for just the framing, drywall, bathroom and trim finishing is 11K. The electrical and plumbing labor - is about 2K. And the Planned materials + paint and labor (they are not handling this) will be around 14K.

All in, I am projecting around 27K for around 900 finished Sq ft.

Other quotes I received were upwards of 32K - but a lot less stress and work on my part would be involved. Happy to hear opinions, guidance, or referrals to potential GCs.
If you want basic  
superspynyg : 3/18/2019 4:09 pm : link
And bland then $35 a square foot is a good rule.

I spent $70,000 but I have a lot of high end finishes. An accent wall. Custom built cabinets, a 75 inch 4K high depth tv, 1000 bottle wine cooler, and more.

Price seems about right  
pjcas18 : 3/18/2019 4:09 pm : link
($27k), I did around 1200 square feet of my basement 18 months ago without the bathroom for ~18k.

That included framing, drywall, new windows, painting, heat (separate zone obviously), drop ceiling, electric, carpet, and furniture.

no other advice other than make sure you include flooring and furniture in your budget, they can be expensive and if not planned for maybe hit you with an unexpected cost.
RE: Price seems about right  
Young Elijah : 3/18/2019 4:14 pm : link
In comment 14345771 pjcas18 said:
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($27k), I did around 1200 square feet of my basement 18 months ago without the bathroom for ~18k.

That included framing, drywall, new windows, painting, heat (separate zone obviously), drop ceiling, electric, carpet, and furniture.

no other advice other than make sure you include flooring and furniture in your budget, they can be expensive and if not planned for maybe hit you with an unexpected cost.


Thanks Pjcas - can you share your pricing in more detail?

For reference my labor costs were quoted at:
Framing - 3000
Insulation- 400
Drywall/Spackle (no paint) - 3200
Floor Install - 2200
Trim - 200
Total- ~9K labor

Note- mine includes a sheetrock ceiling. Bathroom install was another 2K but not comparable to your basement.
RE: RE: Price seems about right  
pjcas18 : 3/18/2019 4:20 pm : link
In comment 14345794 Young Elijah said:
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In comment 14345771 pjcas18 said:


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($27k), I did around 1200 square feet of my basement 18 months ago without the bathroom for ~18k.

That included framing, drywall, new windows, painting, heat (separate zone obviously), drop ceiling, electric, carpet, and furniture.

no other advice other than make sure you include flooring and furniture in your budget, they can be expensive and if not planned for maybe hit you with an unexpected cost.



Thanks Pjcas - can you share your pricing in more detail?

For reference my labor costs were quoted at:
Framing - 3000
Insulation- 400
Drywall/Spackle (no paint) - 3200
Floor Install - 2200
Trim - 200
Total- ~9K labor

Note- mine includes a sheetrock ceiling. Bathroom install was another 2K but not comparable to your basement.


Unfortunately, I had a local home builder do it that we're friends with - he did it basically as a favor - not the kind of job they normally do), and he did it all and subbed out what he didn't do (heat and flooring) for 15k - didn't break out the pricing (I didn't ask him to either)

I spent 3k on furniture - a decent quality sleeper sofa (kids love having that down there), a love seat, a TV stand, and a ping pong table (kids love this too).

I'll see if I got any competitive bids that were broken out - I remember getting multiple bids.
And bathroom was only 2k?  
pjcas18 : 3/18/2019 4:22 pm : link
I'd have done that in a heartbeat.

My contractor said the best option was an ejector toilet because the basement is below ground level and I wasn't thrilled with the sounds of an ejector toilet, but I may add a bathroom at some point.
Different, but more valuable  
WideRight : 3/18/2019 4:31 pm : link

Don't put in carpeting. Gets old an awful real fast especially if the basement is humid/minimally ventilated.

Don't get hardwoood, too expersenive

Get a vinyl wood laminate. Cheap, takes a pounding (wet or dry), last forever and looks great.

RE: And bathroom was only 2k?  
Young Elijah : 3/18/2019 4:33 pm : link
In comment 14345824 pjcas18 said:
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I'd have done that in a heartbeat.

My contractor said the best option was an ejector toilet because the basement is below ground level and I wasn't thrilled with the sounds of an ejector toilet, but I may add a bathroom at some point.


That 2K was for the labor - materials are probably another 3K so 5 in total, which is relatively cheap and why I am all for it. Looking for a sense check on all others.

Plans for waterproof PVC laminate floors.
Mine was $20,000 for 1,000 sq ft about 8 years back...  
x meadowlander : 3/18/2019 4:37 pm : link
...but included walling in an existing garage.

Hints? We had a B-Dry system put in several years before, French drain double-sump system. Dry as a bone. Worth every penny.

In hindsight, I wish I'd have insisted on good doors. Contractor used cheapest luan, kids have pushed holes in 2 of em accidentally.

We did painting ourselves. Saved money, but JESUS does new drywall eat paint!

I got  
pjcas18 : 3/18/2019 4:38 pm : link
carpet specific for a basement on a polyethylene pad and I have a built in dehumidifier connected to my sump pump and an interior french drain. No moisture or water even in the new england humid summers.

the kids love the carpet down there since they have a lot of sleepovers. air mattresses or sometimes just on blankets on the carpet.

if I didn't have carpet, I'd have rugs anyway.

I had my done in my last house ...  
Beer Man : 3/18/2019 4:47 pm : link
Nothing fancy. An office, game room, electric, no bathroom. Did it all for about $20K. Save a lot by doing all the finishing work myself (Trim, wainscoting, painting)
RE: And bathroom was only 2k?  
Jim in Fairfax : 3/18/2019 4:51 pm : link
In comment 14345824 pjcas18 said:
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I'd have done that in a heartbeat.

My contractor said the best option was an ejector toilet because the basement is below ground level and I wasn't thrilled with the sounds of an ejector toilet, but I may add a bathroom at some point.

We have a below grade full bath that has a sewer ejector pump in a sump pit. My understanding is they are more reliable and easier to repair when necessary. But certainly more expsive to install, and might not be worth it for a half bath with minimal usage.
Not to miller the thread...  
BurberryManning : 3/18/2019 4:56 pm : link
but I'm doing something somewhat similar in adding to what already is a finished basement. I'm looking to convert our two car garage, attached to the basement, into a one car garage with the second car port (200sq feet) being finished and added to the living area of the basement. I was told I could get out of there below $10k.

Is anyone familiar with the approximate costs of having a stone patio built? That would be our next step. Perhaps a 250sq foot stone pavers patio and some work done to replace a retainer wall surrounding our driveway. I know much would depend on materials and whatnot but does that sound like a $10k job or closer to $20k?
RE: Not to miller the thread...  
pjcas18 : 3/18/2019 5:08 pm : link
In comment 14345939 BurberryManning said:
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but I'm doing something somewhat similar in adding to what already is a finished basement. I'm looking to convert our two car garage, attached to the basement, into a one car garage with the second car port (200sq feet) being finished and added to the living area of the basement. I was told I could get out of there below $10k.

Is anyone familiar with the approximate costs of having a stone patio built? That would be our next step. Perhaps a 250sq foot stone pavers patio and some work done to replace a retainer wall surrounding our driveway. I know much would depend on materials and whatnot but does that sound like a $10k job or closer to $20k?


I got a quote to do a paver patio with an accent border for the following (a little larger than yours but maybe this helps):

Location: Back of house
-Create a patio measuring 15 x 25 using Quarry Blend pavers
-Create a charcoal border around patio using a 6" x 9" paver
-Spread poly sand on patio joints
The total price is $7,850.00
Couple things that can save you money  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 3/18/2019 5:09 pm : link
1. Tiles floors (but wear shoes or slippers down there)
2. Do you insulation yourself. It's the easiest DIY job down there.
3. Definitely get the bathroom done. At least a toilet.
4. Instead of drywall... We put up wooden wall panels, cost was very close to drywall but without any of the labor.
5. Paint it yourself. Seriously save yourself the money.
RE: Not to miller the thread...  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 3/18/2019 5:12 pm : link
In comment 14345939 BurberryManning said:
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but I'm doing something somewhat similar in adding to what already is a finished basement. I'm looking to convert our two car garage, attached to the basement, into a one car garage with the second car port (200sq feet) being finished and added to the living area of the basement. I was told I could get out of there below $10k.

Is anyone familiar with the approximate costs of having a stone patio built? That would be our next step. Perhaps a 250sq foot stone pavers patio and some work done to replace a retainer wall surrounding our driveway. I know much would depend on materials and whatnot but does that sound like a $10k job or closer to $20k?


I'd really think about or do some home value research on having a one car garage as opposed to a single. A 2 car garage is usually way more desirable.
RE: RE: Not to miller the thread...  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 3/18/2019 5:13 pm : link
In comment 14345959 Tim in Eternal Blue said:
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but I'm doing something somewhat similar in adding to what already is a finished basement. I'm looking to convert our two car garage, attached to the basement, into a one car garage with the second car port (200sq feet) being finished and added to the living area of the basement. I was told I could get out of there below $10k.

Is anyone familiar with the approximate costs of having a stone patio built? That would be our next step. Perhaps a 250sq foot stone pavers patio and some work done to replace a retainer wall surrounding our driveway. I know much would depend on materials and whatnot but does that sound like a $10k job or closer to $20k?



I'd really think about or do some home value research on having a one car garage as opposed to a single. A 2 car garage is usually way more desirable.


*two
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BurberryManning : 3/18/2019 6:25 pm : link
In comment 14345955 pjcas18 said:
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but I'm doing something somewhat similar in adding to what already is a finished basement. I'm looking to convert our two car garage, attached to the basement, into a one car garage with the second car port (200sq feet) being finished and added to the living area of the basement. I was told I could get out of there below $10k.

Is anyone familiar with the approximate costs of having a stone patio built? That would be our next step. Perhaps a 250sq foot stone pavers patio and some work done to replace a retainer wall surrounding our driveway. I know much would depend on materials and whatnot but does that sound like a $10k job or closer to $20k?



I got a quote to do a paver patio with an accent border for the following (a little larger than yours but maybe this helps):

Location: Back of house
-Create a patio measuring 15 x 25 using Quarry Blend pavers
-Create a charcoal border around patio using a 6" x 9" paver
-Spread poly sand on patio joints
The total price is $7,850.00
Great info, thanks!
RE: RE: Not to miller the thread...  
BurberryManning : 3/18/2019 6:38 pm : link
In comment 14345959 Tim in Eternal Blue said:
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In comment 14345939 BurberryManning said:


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but I'm doing something somewhat similar in adding to what already is a finished basement. I'm looking to convert our two car garage, attached to the basement, into a one car garage with the second car port (200sq feet) being finished and added to the living area of the basement. I was told I could get out of there below $10k.

Is anyone familiar with the approximate costs of having a stone patio built? That would be our next step. Perhaps a 250sq foot stone pavers patio and some work done to replace a retainer wall surrounding our driveway. I know much would depend on materials and whatnot but does that sound like a $10k job or closer to $20k?



I'd really think about or do some home value research on having a one car garage as opposed to a single. A 2 car garage is usually way more desirable.
I hear you, Tim. Converting one of the carports and using that portion of what is now a comically oversized driveway for an expanded lawn and patio will probably extend our stay in this house for a good period of time. Based upon mortgage rates, local taxes, and the cost of a new property that we'd consider we'll save orders of magnitude more in just a year or two than if we'd have to rip it up and restore the two-car garage down the line.
You've been given some bad info on the permits I think  
oghwga : 3/18/2019 9:11 pm : link
Will definitely need rough plumbing and final electric. Fire inspection as well and make sure you do the fireblocking correctly. If you go with metal studs you can avoid most of that. And my two cents is I would do a nice drop ceiling rather than drywall. Always nice to have access. And put in twice as many lights as you think you'll need. I always recommend daylight LED for basements. Saniflo is a nice cheap option but they can be a bit noisy, position it so you can block the noise.
A couple of thoughts:  
Crispino : 3/18/2019 9:33 pm : link
If you have kids, consider partitioning it into two big rooms with glass double doors in between. It will allow you to have a dedicated space for the kids separate from a man cave for you. When needed, you just open the double doors and you have one big space for entertaining.

Also, if possible, move all of your plumbing to one side of the basement and create a boxed in channel for them. Then sheet rock directly to the floor joists to gain as much height as possible. Even with newer drop ceilings, nothing screams basement like a drop ceiling. It won’t feel like part of the house if you don’t have enough height. Sheet rock and recessed lighting on the ceiling will make the basement feel more like the rest of your house. Also, I’d recommend a Wave or similar air purification system to eliminate any mustiness or dampness down there. They are an excellent investment.

Good luck!
RE: A couple of thoughts:  
pjcas18 : 3/18/2019 9:37 pm : link
In comment 14346484 Crispino said:
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If you have kids, consider partitioning it into two big rooms with glass double doors in between. It will allow you to have a dedicated space for the kids separate from a man cave for you. When needed, you just open the double doors and you have one big space for entertaining.

Also, if possible, move all of your plumbing to one side of the basement and create a boxed in channel for them. Then sheet rock directly to the floor joists to gain as much height as possible. Even with newer drop ceilings, nothing screams basement like a drop ceiling. It won’t feel like part of the house if you don’t have enough height. Sheet rock and recessed lighting on the ceiling will make the basement feel more like the rest of your house. Also, I’d recommend a Wave or similar air purification system to eliminate any mustiness or dampness down there. They are an excellent investment.

Good luck!


height is a good point of something to pay attention to. My basement is 8 feet (or whatever is standard) and I have a drop ceiling and I think it's kind of tight (too tight sometimes when I've tried to replace tiles that were broken with a ping pong paddle), and I have an elliptical trainer and my head hits the tiles if I have it on incline and i'm on the upstep - barely - brushes the tile but it's noticeable.

the room doesn't seem small or low ceiling at all, in fact you probably wouldn't notice it if no one told you, but that was something I wasn't expecting.
Just re read a couple of posts.  
Crispino : 3/18/2019 9:38 pm : link
Don’t worry about the ejector pump. The toilet flushes like any other toilet. The pump doesn’t kick in every time. Maybe every 40-50 flushes, the tank gets full enough and flushes itself out. It’s not very noisy and the sound lasts less than 10 seconds. It’s very unobtrusive and they work great. You’ll barely notice it.
Some things are cheap...  
Brown_Hornet : 3/19/2019 12:18 am : link
... Wish I knew how to post pictures

I re-did our basement 4 months ago  
aimrocky : 3/19/2019 9:10 am : link
we already had drywall in about 30% of the basement, so we didn't have to frame and drywall the entire thing. We did change out the drop ceiling for a drywall ceiling, though.

We spent roughly $20k on about 500 sq ft. The bulk of the cost was spent on replacing two support columns and re-enforcing the existing support beam.

We didn't add any frills or upgrades other than a closet for the kids toys, a heat zone and went with a wood looking ceramic tile. We already had a built in dehumidifier that filters into a sump pump.

At some point we'll pull the carpet from the stairs and convert them to oak wood, but that upgrade wasn't in the budget for now.
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