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RE: RE: RE: I think DG loves trolling the media  
micky : 3/18/2019 5:38 pm : link
In comment 14345981 montanagiant said:
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And thank God he's got everyone guessing instead of the past regime who let everyone know what their cards werew



yeah he sure had us guessing last year with Barkley...


So who are they picking with the 6th this year if he's so readable?



edge rusher
RE: RE: RE: Starting to think it may be Haskins..  
Mr. Bungle : 3/18/2019 5:39 pm : link
In comment 14345954 Justlurking said:
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remember last year when he telegraphed Saquon?

I remember BBIers guessing right up to the moment before the Barkley pick that it could be Barkley, it could be Chubb, it could be a trade-down with Denver, it could be a QB.

So, no, I don't remember when Gettleman telegraphed the Barkley pick beforehand last year.
I think he has a very defined plan  
ArlingtonMike : 3/18/2019 5:41 pm : link
Turn over the roster. Build both lines. Focus the draft on defense, hopefully with the first 2 picks and most of the other picks. Trade assets for picks, including guys at the end of their contracts like Colllins and Shep. Get rid of guys who are overpriced and injury prone.

The QB comments are similar to those for OBJ. Didnít sign him to trade him. Which is correct but trading him became the best course of action. Same here, if thereís a guy he likes, heíll make it happen. Just hoping itís not Haskins or Jones.
RE: Couple of things  
bw in dc : 3/18/2019 5:41 pm : link
In comment 14345989 jtgiants said:
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I could be wrong. The only thing I know is Eli WAS told if he returned he'd be the starter as long as they were alive in playoff race. How can that happen if they take kyler that high? That's why I don't see qb at 6


Does that auto-renewal each subsequent year? ;)
Maybe DG is Not A Genius or an Idiot  
Jeffrey : 3/18/2019 5:41 pm : link
Giant fans see everything in extremes. DG is either a genius who has a master plan or a buffoon who is clueless. Maybe he is neither. Maybe he is just an average GM who is going occasionally get a big hit and other times swing and miss badly.

I am not impressed with this guy as too many of his "moves" are inconsistent with each other, but I do not think he is an idiot. He drafted well last year--other than Lauletta. He jettisoned an aging malcontent DL for a draft choice and an overrated CB for a draft choice. Then he gives away Collins for nothing, trades OBJ for a mediocre package and takes much of his savings from that deal and invests in a guaranteed contract for a much older wide receiver with considerably less upside. He talks big and does not give a damn what others think about him. Perfect stereotypical New Yorker--old school. Makes Mara very happy to have one around again. Not great, not horrible just middle of the road. The man with the plan, but the plan keeps changing.
RE: Couple of things  
Big Rick in FL : 3/18/2019 5:43 pm : link
In comment 14345989 jtgiants said:
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1. Two steps. Your an idiot. That's not what I said. Don't put words in my mouth that aren't true. Any logical person knows any qb taken at 6 has to play this year. It's the way the league works.

2. Matt. I could be wrong. The only thing I know is Eli WAS told if he returned he'd be the starter as long as they were alive in playoff race. How can that happen if they take kyler that high? That's why I don't see qb at 6


If they're worrying about who they draft, because they told Eli he'd be the starter after winning 8 games the previous two seasons there is a huge problem with this organization.

A high pick doesn't have to start his first year. Mahomes played 1 game his rookie season.
This whole thing is amazing.  
Dodge : 3/18/2019 5:44 pm : link
This is totally a game of chicken between the cards and the test of the league. I can totally see the cards drafting Murray 1 overall then trading Murray to the Giants for a deal.

I can see them drafting Murray and then dealing risen if the deal was better.

Seems familiar.
Eli should have no bearing on Murray..  
Sean : 3/18/2019 5:47 pm : link
If they have conviction on Murray, you go get him. Iíd hope they arenít operating that short sighted.
RE: Couple of things  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 3/18/2019 5:48 pm : link
In comment 14345989 jtgiants said:
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1. Two steps. Your an idiot. That's not what I said. Don't put words in my mouth that aren't true. Any logical person knows any qb taken at 6 has to play this year. It's the way the league works.

2. Matt. I could be wrong. The only thing I know is Eli WAS told if he returned he'd be the starter as long as they were alive in playoff race. How can that happen if they take kyler that high? That's why I don't see qb at 6


What do you mean, how can that happen? Hypothetically, Eli can start. The Giants will be eliminated from the playoffs by at least week 10-12. Then you bring in Murray.

Goff(1st), Mayfield(1st), Trubiski(#2), Watson(#12), Mahomes(#10), Allen(#7), Rosen(#10)... All in the last 3 years... All didn't start the season as starter.
RE: This whole thing is amazing.  
mattyblue : 3/18/2019 5:48 pm : link
In comment 14346005 Dodge said:
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This is totally a game of chicken between the cards and the test of the league. I can totally see the cards drafting Murray 1 overall then trading Murray to the Giants for a deal.

I can see them drafting Murray and then dealing risen if the deal was better.

Seems familiar.


I no longer believe they are allowed to do that. I thought they made some rule change after Lei and Rivers.
Eli  
mattyblue : 3/18/2019 5:49 pm : link
sorry
After sifting through all these threads of DG interviews  
PatersonPlank : 3/18/2019 5:51 pm : link
and cross checking comments between them, I believe we are picking Jones or Lock (whoever is there) with either the #17 or the #38 pick (or whatever the 1st pick is in Rd 2).
Forget Allen on my list  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 3/18/2019 5:52 pm : link
Thought he sat more games than he did
...  
christian : 3/18/2019 5:55 pm : link
Maybe a QB taken high winds up eventually playing a little into year one, but there's no prerequisite for a top QB to play day one. Plenty of recent examples of high picks sitting.
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Ten Ton Hammer : 3/18/2019 5:55 pm : link
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Tom Rock
‏Verified account @TomRock_Newsday
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Gettleman on @WFAN660: "I'd be a real clown to not admit (we have to address QB future)... Obviously the ideal situation is you bring a young kid in and let him learn from the old pro."



so he'd be a real clown this year but not last? trading collins would send the wrong message, but snacks and apple didn't?

thanks for removing all doubt - he is a real deal first ballot hall of famer clown.



DSear god, some of you need a fucking explanation on everything. Clearly the others were 100% locker room removals and Collins ended up being $$$$.. He was going to cost too much to keep around.


So they didn't know he was going to be expensive before the week 8 trade deadline? They were utterly shocked? Then at best it's an incompetent moment for the front office.

That explanation doesn't fly.
Didnít want to start thread  
jayg5 : 3/18/2019 5:56 pm : link
But just listened to Schefter podcast

His words.... ď I know, KNOW, Giants were offered
more from other teams for OBJĒ

RE: RE: This whole thing is amazing.  
Dodge : 3/18/2019 5:58 pm : link
In comment 14346011 mattyblue said:
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This is totally a game of chicken between the cards and the test of the league. I can totally see the cards drafting Murray 1 overall then trading Murray to the Giants for a deal.

I can see them drafting Murray and then dealing risen if the deal was better.

Seems familiar.



I no longer believe they are allowed to do that. I thought they made some rule change after Lei and Rivers.


Did they? I don't remember.
RE: After sifting through all these threads of DG interviews  
Toastt34 : 3/18/2019 6:00 pm : link
In comment 14346014 PatersonPlank said:
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and cross checking comments between them, I believe we are picking Jones or Lock (whoever is there) with either the #17 or the #38 pick (or whatever the 1st pick is in Rd 2).

This is my gut feeling as well. Just seems like it all is pointing to Jones. The young guy for Eli to mentor while heís still here. Also, i think the mobility aspect is important to Shurmur. Thatís why, more than anything, I think Rosen and Haskins arenít really being considered. I would prefer they wait for 2020.
RE: Didnít want to start thread  
UConn4523 : 3/18/2019 6:00 pm : link
In comment 14346021 jayg5 said:
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But just listened to Schefter podcast

His words.... ď I know, KNOW, Giants were offered
more from other teams for OBJĒ


I wonder if he got them from their medical records. Whatís his rationale on why we didnít take a better deal?
Huh I guess that's right.  
Dodge : 3/18/2019 6:01 pm : link
You can't trade already drafted players and you can't included players in draft day trades.
RE: RE: After sifting through all these threads of DG interviews  
Dodge : 3/18/2019 6:01 pm : link
In comment 14346032 Toastt34 said:
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and cross checking comments between them, I believe we are picking Jones or Lock (whoever is there) with either the #17 or the #38 pick (or whatever the 1st pick is in Rd 2).


This is my gut feeling as well. Just seems like it all is pointing to Jones. The young guy for Eli to mentor while heís still here. Also, i think the mobility aspect is important to Shurmur. Thatís why, more than anything, I think Rosen and Haskins arenít really being considered. I would prefer they wait for 2020.


What's signs? There have been no signs.
It is pretty bad that Gettleman  
St. Jimmy : 3/18/2019 6:05 pm : link
has to do this. The Giants need to stop worrying about what the fans think with regards to the roster and the moves they make. Put a winning team on the field and no one will be worrying about the Giants trading Odell Beckham.
UConn.  
jayg5 : 3/18/2019 6:05 pm : link
He didnt elaborate on that

And who knows what to believe.

But I do find it interesting how DG and others
are saying how important it was to get Peppers

Maybe better picks were offered.
RE: It is pretty bad that Gettleman  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 3/18/2019 6:08 pm : link
In comment 14346042 St. Jimmy said:
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has to do this. The Giants need to stop worrying about what the fans think with regards to the roster and the moves they make. Put a winning team on the field and no one will be worrying about the Giants trading Odell Beckham.


The fans literally pay their bills
RE: Didnít want to start thread  
AcesUp : 3/18/2019 6:11 pm : link
In comment 14346021 jayg5 said:
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But just listened to Schefter podcast

His words.... ď I know, KNOW, Giants were offered
more from other teams for OBJĒ


He's probably referring to the deal mentioned with the Niners in SI which was 34, Buckner and next years 1. They're close and I would probably lean towards the Niners but I don't have an issue making sure he's out of conference if the value is negligible.
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montanagiant : 3/18/2019 6:14 pm : link
In comment 14346020 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Tom Rock
‏Verified account @TomRock_Newsday
2m2 minutes ago

Gettleman on @WFAN660: "I'd be a real clown to not admit (we have to address QB future)... Obviously the ideal situation is you bring a young kid in and let him learn from the old pro."



so he'd be a real clown this year but not last? trading collins would send the wrong message, but snacks and apple didn't?

thanks for removing all doubt - he is a real deal first ballot hall of famer clown.



DSear god, some of you need a fucking explanation on everything. Clearly the others were 100% locker room removals and Collins ended up being $$$$.. He was going to cost too much to keep around.



So they didn't know he was going to be expensive before the week 8 trade deadline? They were utterly shocked? Then at best it's an incompetent moment for the front office.

That explanation doesn't fly.

Sure it does when you take into account the shoulder injury and his abysmal coverage in his last few games prior to the injury
Aces  
jayg5 : 3/18/2019 6:14 pm : link
Could be right

Schefter did say ďteamsĒ however

If the niners offer was this years 2nd, Buckner and next
years 1st then I donít think itís close. Thatís by far
a better offer IMO.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: ...  
montanagiant : 3/18/2019 6:26 pm : link
In comment 14346066 montanagiant said:
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Tom Rock
‏Verified account @TomRock_Newsday
2m2 minutes ago

Gettleman on @WFAN660: "I'd be a real clown to not admit (we have to address QB future)... Obviously the ideal situation is you bring a young kid in and let him learn from the old pro."



so he'd be a real clown this year but not last? trading collins would send the wrong message, but snacks and apple didn't?

thanks for removing all doubt - he is a real deal first ballot hall of famer clown.



DSear god, some of you need a fucking explanation on everything. Clearly the others were 100% locker room removals and Collins ended up being $$$$.. He was going to cost too much to keep around.



So they didn't know he was going to be expensive before the week 8 trade deadline? They were utterly shocked? Then at best it's an incompetent moment for the front office.

That explanation doesn't fly.


Sure it does when you take into account the shoulder injury and his abysmal coverage in his last few games prior to the injury

AND we are talking about the Skins who just gave Eric Flowers a 1 year $4M contract.

They probably figured they were in play for around 9-11M, then the injury happened and that lowered his worth so they figured let him shop around and when no one would give him what he wanted they could resign him to something reasonable. Skins went stupid and overpaid him. Happens all the time in the NFL case in point some of our own FA signings the past few years
Meh  
AcesUp : 3/18/2019 6:26 pm : link
Buckner is on the last year of his deal with a massive option year coming up (Average of Top 5 DEs). He's due to get big $$$. I'd lean that way too but think it's closer than it looks at first glance.
RE: RE: QB  
EricJ : 3/18/2019 6:34 pm : link
In comment 14345974 jlukes said:
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Rosen wasn't the guy last year, and he's not the guy this year either.


Hold on a minute...
Rosen was not the guy when we were sitting with the #2 pick. However, if he was still sitting there in the 3rd round we may have selected him.
Why does the "the team and situation around him sucks"  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/18/2019 6:39 pm : link
excuse get used for some players but not others. The Cardinals were the worst coached and worst roster in football last year, but somehow that should reflect on Rosen, a rookie thrown into a tire fire.
RE: Eli should have no bearing on Murray..  
Sammo85 : 3/18/2019 6:48 pm : link
In comment 14346006 Sean said:
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If they have conviction on Murray, you go get him. Iíd hope they arenít operating that short sighted.


What if they have that conviction on Jarrett Stidham or Will Grier?
RE: Meh  
UConn4523 : 3/18/2019 6:49 pm : link
In comment 14346091 AcesUp said:
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Buckner is on the last year of his deal with a massive option year coming up (Average of Top 5 DEs). He's due to get big $$$. I'd lean that way too but think it's closer than it looks at first glance.


Probably the better player but yeah, the cost, especially since we can take a top ER at 6 whoíd be cost controlled makes it very close.
RE: RE: Couple of things  
Giants38 : 3/18/2019 6:50 pm : link
In comment 14346004 Big Rick in FL said:
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1. Two steps. Your an idiot. That's not what I said. Don't put words in my mouth that aren't true. Any logical person knows any qb taken at 6 has to play this year. It's the way the league works.

2. Matt. I could be wrong. The only thing I know is Eli WAS told if he returned he'd be the starter as long as they were alive in playoff race. How can that happen if they take kyler that high? That's why I don't see qb at 6



If they're worrying about who they draft, because they told Eli he'd be the starter after winning 8 games the previous two seasons there is a huge problem with this organization.

A high pick doesn't have to start his first year. Mahomes played 1 game his rookie season.


There is a huge problem with this organization. Our idiot GM literally didnít pick up the phone to see if someone would trump the Brownsí offer for OBJ, because ďyou lose leverage if you callĒ. Of course, he called his buddy on the Bills.

This organization is Eli blind and has no direction.
RE: Couple of things  
Pan-handler : 3/18/2019 6:54 pm : link
In comment 14345989 jtgiants said:
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1. Two steps. Your an idiot. That's not what I said. Don't put words in my mouth that aren't true. Any logical person knows any qb taken at 6 has to play this year. It's the way the league works.

2. Matt. I could be wrong. The only thing I know is Eli WAS told if he returned he'd be the starter as long as they were alive in playoff race. How can that happen if they take kyler that high? That's why I don't see qb at 6


You can take a QB #1 and have him sit a year to learn. Giants intended to do that and would have done that if they felt Kurt wasnt still struggling with the offense at 5-4.

RE: Couple of things  
twostepgiants : 3/18/2019 6:55 pm : link
In comment 14345989 jtgiants said:
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1. Two steps. Your an idiot. That's not what I said. Don't put words in my mouth that aren't true. Any logical person knows any qb taken at 6 has to play this year. It's the way the league works.

2. Matt. I could be wrong. The only thing I know is Eli WAS told if he returned he'd be the starter as long as they were alive in playoff race. How can that happen if they take kyler that high? That's why I don't see qb at 6


Is there some super special rule about the 6 pick only because of QBs selected top 10 in the last 3 years

1- Baker Mayfield didnít start until week 4
2 Sam Darnold wasnít intended to be start but beat out both Bridgewater and McCown who were both signed as FAs to start and mentor him
3- Josh Allen wasnít supposed to start but McCarron got injured.
4- Rosen didnít start until week 4
5- Mitch Trubisky didnít start until week 5
6- Pat Mahomes didnít start until week 17
7- Jared Goff didnít start until week 5
8- Carson Wentz wasnít supposed to start but beat out Bradford and they traded him before week 1

That and the Giants had said they liked the ďKansas City modelĒ which is see example 6.

Not one of those teams got rid of their veteran QB to make way for the high rookie pick before the Draft or even immediately after and 5 of them actually acquired veteran QBs to start the season knowing they were drafting a rookie QB high
I'm starting to watch a lot more Daniel Jones clips  
Go Terps : 3/18/2019 6:55 pm : link
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RE: RE: RE: RE: I think DG loves trolling the media  
Danny80 : 3/18/2019 7:00 pm : link
In comment 14345997 micky said:
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And thank God he's got everyone guessing instead of the past regime who let everyone know what their cards werew



yeah he sure had us guessing last year with Barkley...


So who are they picking with the 6th this year if he's so readable?




edge rusher


Can I just say that I hate the term "edge rusher"? It's such a contrived, repackaged term. 15-20 years ago, they were called "tweeners". The best "tweener" I remember from the 90s forward was Simeon Rice--who the Giants missed on and ended up with Cedric Jones. Anyway, now they're called "edge rushers." Can we just call them what they are--"DE/OLBs"?
RE: Couple of things  
twostepgiants : 3/18/2019 7:05 pm : link

2. Matt. I could be wrong. The only thing I know is Eli WAS told if he returned he'd be the starter as long as they were alive in playoff race. How can that happen if they take kyler that high? That's why I don't see qb at 6 [/quote]

And if you want to pass yourself off as an Asshat you should learn to distinguish between information that you know is verifiably coming from the Giants and what information you are adding your own assessment to.
RE: I'm starting to watch a lot more Daniel Jones clips  
Jarvis : 3/18/2019 7:05 pm : link
In comment 14346165 Go Terps said:
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Terps,

I know the feeling. I did that in the fall when i thought he could be the guy (just has GIANTS written all over him)...you will likely be disappointed. Youíll find that you will try and convince yourself he is good and think it is the lack of surrounding talent. Ask yourself this..when was the last time a QB with as poor as statistics as he has turned into something in the NFL. I know college statistics arenít everything, but there is a threshold. Good statistics do not mean good NFL QB...but dad college statistics...tough to find any good NFL QBs.
RE: Aces  
section125 : 3/18/2019 7:12 pm : link
In comment 14346067 jayg5 said:
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Could be right

Schefter did say ďteamsĒ however

If the niners offer was this years 2nd, Buckner and next
years 1st then I donít think itís close. Thatís by far
a better offer IMO.


That is total bullshit. Never is next years #1 better than this years #1 especially when #1 this year is the 2nd pick and the 49ers will probably win between 7-9 games so pick about #15. You get the player this year, not next year.
Some of you make crap up to fill your agenda. And there is no way that Gettleman doesn't take the best trade. You don't think whatever team wouldn't leak that they offered x,y and z for OBJ if it was truly a better return for the Giants.
RE: RE: It is pretty bad that Gettleman  
St. Jimmy : 3/18/2019 7:14 pm : link
In comment 14346054 Tim in Eternal Blue said:
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has to do this. The Giants need to stop worrying about what the fans think with regards to the roster and the moves they make. Put a winning team on the field and no one will be worrying about the Giants trading Odell Beckham.



The fans literally pay their bills
Yes but I doubt many people are giving up their season tickets over this. This would blow over whether Gettleman goes on a tour announcing they have a plan.
Section  
jayg5 : 3/18/2019 7:36 pm : link
It was my opinion that if that was offered, itís better.

Buckner the superior player to Peppers, IMO

As far as the picks are concerned, you may have
a point this years first better than niners 1st round pick
next year but niners 2nd round pick this year(34) a hell of a lot
Better than Browns 3rd round pick.

And relax would ya
That rumored offer sounds like BS because it's way better  
Eric on Li : 3/18/2019 7:45 pm : link
Buckner is probably worth the 17th pick by himself. He's a 25 year old 300 pound freak who got picked in the top 5 for a reason, started every game but 1 in the 3 years he's been in the NFL, and just had a break out season with 12.5 sacks. Only 11 players had more sacks than he did last year.

The #34 pick this year probably isn't far off in value from a garden variety future 1st since you get it this year. But the 49ers 2020 pick isn't garden variety since they haven't been competitive since Harbough left. That pick is an excellent bet to be in the first half of the round if not top 10. Both of those assets are probably more valuable than Peppers. And exponentially more valuable than a late 3rd.
RE: I'm starting to watch a lot more Daniel Jones clips  
Danny Kanell : 3/18/2019 8:20 pm : link
In comment 14346165 Go Terps said:
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Me too
RE: RE: Couple of things  
GiantGrit : 3/18/2019 8:52 pm : link
In comment 14346189 twostepgiants said:
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2. Matt. I could be wrong. The only thing I know is Eli WAS told if he returned he'd be the starter as long as they were alive in playoff race. How can that happen if they take kyler that high? That's why I don't see qb at 6


And if you want to pass yourself off as an Asshat you should learn to distinguish between information that you know is verifiably coming from the Giants and what information you are adding your own assessment to. [/quote]

"pass yourself off as an asshat"

Why be such an ass? He's been nice enough to post the info he has heard all offseason.
RE: RE: Couple of things  
montanagiant : 3/18/2019 9:32 pm : link
In comment 14346189 twostepgiants said:
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2. Matt. I could be wrong. The only thing I know is Eli WAS told if he returned he'd be the starter as long as they were alive in playoff race. How can that happen if they take kyler that high? That's why I don't see qb at 6


And if you want to pass yourself off as an Asshat you should learn to distinguish between information that you know is verifiably coming from the Giants and what information you are adding your own assessment to. [/quote]
Here's a suggestion, why don't stop following him around on his threads so they rest of us can enjoy the info he does give out.

Why does there always have to be one person on BBI that desires to run off any other poster giving us info?
RE: RE: RE: Couple of things  
twostepgiants : 3/19/2019 6:01 am : link
In comment 14346393 GiantGrit said:
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2. Matt. I could be wrong. The only thing I know is Eli WAS told if he returned he'd be the starter as long as they were alive in playoff race. How can that happen if they take kyler that high? That's why I don't see qb at 6



And if you want to pass yourself off as an Asshat you should learn to distinguish between information that you know is verifiably coming from the Giants and what information you are adding your own assessment to.


"pass yourself off as an asshat"

Why be such an ass? He's been nice enough to post the info he has heard all offseason. [/quote]

Maybe its because Mr Nice Enough called me an idiot for no apparent reason? And this is not a one time occurrence?
If this team is making personal decisions  
ron mexico : 3/19/2019 6:12 am : link
Based on promises made to Eli, we are in for a long run of shitty football.

RE: RE: RE: Couple of things  
twostepgiants : 3/19/2019 6:14 am : link
In comment 14346483 montanagiant said:
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2. Matt. I could be wrong. The only thing I know is Eli WAS told if he returned he'd be the starter as long as they were alive in playoff race. How can that happen if they take kyler that high? That's why I don't see qb at 6



And if you want to pass yourself off as an Asshat you should learn to distinguish between information that you know is verifiably coming from the Giants and what information you are adding your own assessment to.

Here's a suggestion, why don't stop following him around on his threads so they rest of us can enjoy the info he does give out.

Why does there always have to be one person on BBI that desires to run off any other poster giving us info? [/quote]

Ive been following him around? Thats news to me. This is first time ive engaged him since before last years draft.
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