I remember BBIers guessing right up to the moment before the Barkley pick that it could be Barkley, it could be Chubb, it could be a trade-down with Denver, it could be a QB.
So, no, I don't remember when Gettleman telegraphed the Barkley pick beforehand last year.
Turn over the roster. Build both lines. Focus the draft on defense, hopefully with the first 2 picks and most of the other picks. Trade assets for picks, including guys at the end of their contracts like Colllins and Shep. Get rid of guys who are overpriced and injury prone.
The QB comments are similar to those for OBJ. Didnt sign him to trade him. Which is correct but trading him became the best course of action. Same here, if theres a guy he likes, hell make it happen. Just hoping its not Haskins or Jones.
I could be wrong. The only thing I know is Eli WAS told if he returned he'd be the starter as long as they were alive in playoff race. How can that happen if they take kyler that high? That's why I don't see qb at 6
Giant fans see everything in extremes. DG is either a genius who has a master plan or a buffoon who is clueless. Maybe he is neither. Maybe he is just an average GM who is going occasionally get a big hit and other times swing and miss badly.
I am not impressed with this guy as too many of his "moves" are inconsistent with each other, but I do not think he is an idiot. He drafted well last year--other than Lauletta. He jettisoned an aging malcontent DL for a draft choice and an overrated CB for a draft choice. Then he gives away Collins for nothing, trades OBJ for a mediocre package and takes much of his savings from that deal and invests in a guaranteed contract for a much older wide receiver with considerably less upside. He talks big and does not give a damn what others think about him. Perfect stereotypical New Yorker--old school. Makes Mara very happy to have one around again. Not great, not horrible just middle of the road. The man with the plan, but the plan keeps changing.
1. Two steps. Your an idiot. That's not what I said. Don't put words in my mouth that aren't true. Any logical person knows any qb taken at 6 has to play this year. It's the way the league works.
2. Matt. I could be wrong. The only thing I know is Eli WAS told if he returned he'd be the starter as long as they were alive in playoff race. How can that happen if they take kyler that high? That's why I don't see qb at 6
If they're worrying about who they draft, because they told Eli he'd be the starter after winning 8 games the previous two seasons there is a huge problem with this organization.
A high pick doesn't have to start his first year. Mahomes played 1 game his rookie season.
This is totally a game of chicken between the cards and the test of the league. I can totally see the cards drafting Murray 1 overall then trading Murray to the Giants for a deal.
I can see them drafting Murray and then dealing risen if the deal was better.
1. Two steps. Your an idiot. That's not what I said. Don't put words in my mouth that aren't true. Any logical person knows any qb taken at 6 has to play this year. It's the way the league works.
2. Matt. I could be wrong. The only thing I know is Eli WAS told if he returned he'd be the starter as long as they were alive in playoff race. How can that happen if they take kyler that high? That's why I don't see qb at 6
What do you mean, how can that happen? Hypothetically, Eli can start. The Giants will be eliminated from the playoffs by at least week 10-12. Then you bring in Murray.
Goff(1st), Mayfield(1st), Trubiski(#2), Watson(#12), Mahomes(#10), Allen(#7), Rosen(#10)... All in the last 3 years... All didn't start the season as starter.
This is totally a game of chicken between the cards and the test of the league. I can totally see the cards drafting Murray 1 overall then trading Murray to the Giants for a deal.
I can see them drafting Murray and then dealing risen if the deal was better.
Seems familiar.
I no longer believe they are allowed to do that. I thought they made some rule change after Lei and Rivers.
and cross checking comments between them, I believe we are picking Jones or Lock (whoever is there) with either the #17 or the #38 pick (or whatever the 1st pick is in Rd 2).
Maybe a QB taken high winds up eventually playing a little into year one, but there's no prerequisite for a top QB to play day one. Plenty of recent examples of high picks sitting.
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Gettleman on @WFAN660: "I'd be a real clown to not admit (we have to address QB future)... Obviously the ideal situation is you bring a young kid in and let him learn from the old pro."
so he'd be a real clown this year but not last? trading collins would send the wrong message, but snacks and apple didn't?
thanks for removing all doubt - he is a real deal first ballot hall of famer clown.
DSear god, some of you need a fucking explanation on everything. Clearly the others were 100% locker room removals and Collins ended up being $$$$.. He was going to cost too much to keep around.
So they didn't know he was going to be expensive before the week 8 trade deadline? They were utterly shocked? Then at best it's an incompetent moment for the front office.
This is totally a game of chicken between the cards and the test of the league. I can totally see the cards drafting Murray 1 overall then trading Murray to the Giants for a deal.
I can see them drafting Murray and then dealing risen if the deal was better.
Seems familiar.
I no longer believe they are allowed to do that. I thought they made some rule change after Lei and Rivers.
Did they? I don't remember.
RE: After sifting through all these threads of DG interviews
and cross checking comments between them, I believe we are picking Jones or Lock (whoever is there) with either the #17 or the #38 pick (or whatever the 1st pick is in Rd 2).
This is my gut feeling as well. Just seems like it all is pointing to Jones. The young guy for Eli to mentor while hes still here. Also, i think the mobility aspect is important to Shurmur. Thats why, more than anything, I think Rosen and Haskins arent really being considered. I would prefer they wait for 2020.
and cross checking comments between them, I believe we are picking Jones or Lock (whoever is there) with either the #17 or the #38 pick (or whatever the 1st pick is in Rd 2).
This is my gut feeling as well. Just seems like it all is pointing to Jones. The young guy for Eli to mentor while hes still here. Also, i think the mobility aspect is important to Shurmur. Thats why, more than anything, I think Rosen and Haskins arent really being considered. I would prefer they wait for 2020.
has to do this. The Giants need to stop worrying about what the fans think with regards to the roster and the moves they make. Put a winning team on the field and no one will be worrying about the Giants trading Odell Beckham.
has to do this. The Giants need to stop worrying about what the fans think with regards to the roster and the moves they make. Put a winning team on the field and no one will be worrying about the Giants trading Odell Beckham.
His words.... I know, KNOW, Giants were offered
more from other teams for OBJ
He's probably referring to the deal mentioned with the Niners in SI which was 34, Buckner and next years 1. They're close and I would probably lean towards the Niners but I don't have an issue making sure he's out of conference if the value is negligible.
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2m2 minutes ago
Gettleman on @WFAN660: "I'd be a real clown to not admit (we have to address QB future)... Obviously the ideal situation is you bring a young kid in and let him learn from the old pro."
so he'd be a real clown this year but not last? trading collins would send the wrong message, but snacks and apple didn't?
thanks for removing all doubt - he is a real deal first ballot hall of famer clown.
DSear god, some of you need a fucking explanation on everything. Clearly the others were 100% locker room removals and Collins ended up being $$$$.. He was going to cost too much to keep around.
So they didn't know he was going to be expensive before the week 8 trade deadline? They were utterly shocked? Then at best it's an incompetent moment for the front office.
That explanation doesn't fly.
Sure it does when you take into account the shoulder injury and his abysmal coverage in his last few games prior to the injury
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Gettleman on @WFAN660: "I'd be a real clown to not admit (we have to address QB future)... Obviously the ideal situation is you bring a young kid in and let him learn from the old pro."
so he'd be a real clown this year but not last? trading collins would send the wrong message, but snacks and apple didn't?
thanks for removing all doubt - he is a real deal first ballot hall of famer clown.
DSear god, some of you need a fucking explanation on everything. Clearly the others were 100% locker room removals and Collins ended up being $$$$.. He was going to cost too much to keep around.
So they didn't know he was going to be expensive before the week 8 trade deadline? They were utterly shocked? Then at best it's an incompetent moment for the front office.
That explanation doesn't fly.
Sure it does when you take into account the shoulder injury and his abysmal coverage in his last few games prior to the injury
AND we are talking about the Skins who just gave Eric Flowers a 1 year $4M contract.
They probably figured they were in play for around 9-11M, then the injury happened and that lowered his worth so they figured let him shop around and when no one would give him what he wanted they could resign him to something reasonable. Skins went stupid and overpaid him. Happens all the time in the NFL case in point some of our own FA signings the past few years
Buckner is on the last year of his deal with a massive option year coming up (Average of Top 5 DEs). He's due to get big $$$. I'd lean that way too but think it's closer than it looks at first glance.
Rosen wasn't the guy last year, and he's not the guy this year either.
Hold on a minute...
Rosen was not the guy when we were sitting with the #2 pick. However, if he was still sitting there in the 3rd round we may have selected him.
Why does the "the team and situation around him sucks"
excuse get used for some players but not others. The Cardinals were the worst coached and worst roster in football last year, but somehow that should reflect on Rosen, a rookie thrown into a tire fire.
Buckner is on the last year of his deal with a massive option year coming up (Average of Top 5 DEs). He's due to get big $$$. I'd lean that way too but think it's closer than it looks at first glance.
Probably the better player but yeah, the cost, especially since we can take a top ER at 6 whod be cost controlled makes it very close.
1. Two steps. Your an idiot. That's not what I said. Don't put words in my mouth that aren't true. Any logical person knows any qb taken at 6 has to play this year. It's the way the league works.
2. Matt. I could be wrong. The only thing I know is Eli WAS told if he returned he'd be the starter as long as they were alive in playoff race. How can that happen if they take kyler that high? That's why I don't see qb at 6
If they're worrying about who they draft, because they told Eli he'd be the starter after winning 8 games the previous two seasons there is a huge problem with this organization.
A high pick doesn't have to start his first year. Mahomes played 1 game his rookie season.
There is a huge problem with this organization. Our idiot GM literally didnt pick up the phone to see if someone would trump the Browns offer for OBJ, because you lose leverage if you call. Of course, he called his buddy on the Bills.
This organization is Eli blind and has no direction.
1. Two steps. Your an idiot. That's not what I said. Don't put words in my mouth that aren't true. Any logical person knows any qb taken at 6 has to play this year. It's the way the league works.
2. Matt. I could be wrong. The only thing I know is Eli WAS told if he returned he'd be the starter as long as they were alive in playoff race. How can that happen if they take kyler that high? That's why I don't see qb at 6
You can take a QB #1 and have him sit a year to learn. Giants intended to do that and would have done that if they felt Kurt wasnt still struggling with the offense at 5-4.
1. Two steps. Your an idiot. That's not what I said. Don't put words in my mouth that aren't true. Any logical person knows any qb taken at 6 has to play this year. It's the way the league works.
2. Matt. I could be wrong. The only thing I know is Eli WAS told if he returned he'd be the starter as long as they were alive in playoff race. How can that happen if they take kyler that high? That's why I don't see qb at 6
Is there some super special rule about the 6 pick only because of QBs selected top 10 in the last 3 years
1- Baker Mayfield didnt start until week 4
2 Sam Darnold wasnt intended to be start but beat out both Bridgewater and McCown who were both signed as FAs to start and mentor him
3- Josh Allen wasnt supposed to start but McCarron got injured.
4- Rosen didnt start until week 4
5- Mitch Trubisky didnt start until week 5
6- Pat Mahomes didnt start until week 17
7- Jared Goff didnt start until week 5
8- Carson Wentz wasnt supposed to start but beat out Bradford and they traded him before week 1
That and the Giants had said they liked the Kansas City model which is see example 6.
Not one of those teams got rid of their veteran QB to make way for the high rookie pick before the Draft or even immediately after and 5 of them actually acquired veteran QBs to start the season knowing they were drafting a rookie QB high
I'm starting to watch a lot more Daniel Jones clips
And thank God he's got everyone guessing instead of the past regime who let everyone know what their cards werew
yeah he sure had us guessing last year with Barkley...
So who are they picking with the 6th this year if he's so readable?
edge rusher
Can I just say that I hate the term "edge rusher"? It's such a contrived, repackaged term. 15-20 years ago, they were called "tweeners". The best "tweener" I remember from the 90s forward was Simeon Rice--who the Giants missed on and ended up with Cedric Jones. Anyway, now they're called "edge rushers." Can we just call them what they are--"DE/OLBs"?
2. Matt. I could be wrong. The only thing I know is Eli WAS told if he returned he'd be the starter as long as they were alive in playoff race. How can that happen if they take kyler that high? That's why I don't see qb at 6 [/quote]
And if you want to pass yourself off as an Asshat you should learn to distinguish between information that you know is verifiably coming from the Giants and what information you are adding your own assessment to.
RE: I'm starting to watch a lot more Daniel Jones clips
I know the feeling. I did that in the fall when i thought he could be the guy (just has GIANTS written all over him)...you will likely be disappointed. Youll find that you will try and convince yourself he is good and think it is the lack of surrounding talent. Ask yourself this..when was the last time a QB with as poor as statistics as he has turned into something in the NFL. I know college statistics arent everything, but there is a threshold. Good statistics do not mean good NFL QB...but dad college statistics...tough to find any good NFL QBs.
If the niners offer was this years 2nd, Buckner and next
years 1st then I dont think its close. Thats by far
a better offer IMO.
That is total bullshit. Never is next years #1 better than this years #1 especially when #1 this year is the 2nd pick and the 49ers will probably win between 7-9 games so pick about #15. You get the player this year, not next year.
Some of you make crap up to fill your agenda. And there is no way that Gettleman doesn't take the best trade. You don't think whatever team wouldn't leak that they offered x,y and z for OBJ if it was truly a better return for the Giants.
has to do this. The Giants need to stop worrying about what the fans think with regards to the roster and the moves they make. Put a winning team on the field and no one will be worrying about the Giants trading Odell Beckham.
The fans literally pay their bills
Yes but I doubt many people are giving up their season tickets over this. This would blow over whether Gettleman goes on a tour announcing they have a plan.
It was my opinion that if that was offered, its better.
Buckner the superior player to Peppers, IMO
As far as the picks are concerned, you may have
a point this years first better than niners 1st round pick
next year but niners 2nd round pick this year(34) a hell of a lot
Better than Browns 3rd round pick.
And relax would ya
That rumored offer sounds like BS because it's way better
Buckner is probably worth the 17th pick by himself. He's a 25 year old 300 pound freak who got picked in the top 5 for a reason, started every game but 1 in the 3 years he's been in the NFL, and just had a break out season with 12.5 sacks. Only 11 players had more sacks than he did last year.
The #34 pick this year probably isn't far off in value from a garden variety future 1st since you get it this year. But the 49ers 2020 pick isn't garden variety since they haven't been competitive since Harbough left. That pick is an excellent bet to be in the first half of the round if not top 10. Both of those assets are probably more valuable than Peppers. And exponentially more valuable than a late 3rd.
RE: I'm starting to watch a lot more Daniel Jones clips
2. Matt. I could be wrong. The only thing I know is Eli WAS told if he returned he'd be the starter as long as they were alive in playoff race. How can that happen if they take kyler that high? That's why I don't see qb at 6
And if you want to pass yourself off as an Asshat you should learn to distinguish between information that you know is verifiably coming from the Giants and what information you are adding your own assessment to. [/quote]
"pass yourself off as an asshat"
Why be such an ass? He's been nice enough to post the info he has heard all offseason.
2. Matt. I could be wrong. The only thing I know is Eli WAS told if he returned he'd be the starter as long as they were alive in playoff race. How can that happen if they take kyler that high? That's why I don't see qb at 6
And if you want to pass yourself off as an Asshat you should learn to distinguish between information that you know is verifiably coming from the Giants and what information you are adding your own assessment to. [/quote]
Here's a suggestion, why don't stop following him around on his threads so they rest of us can enjoy the info he does give out.
Why does there always have to be one person on BBI that desires to run off any other poster giving us info?
2. Matt. I could be wrong. The only thing I know is Eli WAS told if he returned he'd be the starter as long as they were alive in playoff race. How can that happen if they take kyler that high? That's why I don't see qb at 6
And if you want to pass yourself off as an Asshat you should learn to distinguish between information that you know is verifiably coming from the Giants and what information you are adding your own assessment to.
"pass yourself off as an asshat"
Why be such an ass? He's been nice enough to post the info he has heard all offseason. [/quote]
Maybe its because Mr Nice Enough called me an idiot for no apparent reason? And this is not a one time occurrence?
2. Matt. I could be wrong. The only thing I know is Eli WAS told if he returned he'd be the starter as long as they were alive in playoff race. How can that happen if they take kyler that high? That's why I don't see qb at 6
And if you want to pass yourself off as an Asshat you should learn to distinguish between information that you know is verifiably coming from the Giants and what information you are adding your own assessment to.
Here's a suggestion, why don't stop following him around on his threads so they rest of us can enjoy the info he does give out.
Why does there always have to be one person on BBI that desires to run off any other poster giving us info? [/quote]
Ive been following him around? Thats news to me. This is first time ive engaged him since before last years draft.
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And thank God he's got everyone guessing instead of the past regime who let everyone know what their cards werew
yeah he sure had us guessing last year with Barkley...
So who are they picking with the 6th this year if he's so readable?
edge rusher
I remember BBIers guessing right up to the moment before the Barkley pick that it could be Barkley, it could be Chubb, it could be a trade-down with Denver, it could be a QB.
So, no, I don't remember when Gettleman telegraphed the Barkley pick beforehand last year.
The QB comments are similar to those for OBJ. Didnt sign him to trade him. Which is correct but trading him became the best course of action. Same here, if theres a guy he likes, hell make it happen. Just hoping its not Haskins or Jones.
Does that auto-renewal each subsequent year? ;)
I am not impressed with this guy as too many of his "moves" are inconsistent with each other, but I do not think he is an idiot. He drafted well last year--other than Lauletta. He jettisoned an aging malcontent DL for a draft choice and an overrated CB for a draft choice. Then he gives away Collins for nothing, trades OBJ for a mediocre package and takes much of his savings from that deal and invests in a guaranteed contract for a much older wide receiver with considerably less upside. He talks big and does not give a damn what others think about him. Perfect stereotypical New Yorker--old school. Makes Mara very happy to have one around again. Not great, not horrible just middle of the road. The man with the plan, but the plan keeps changing.
2. Matt. I could be wrong. The only thing I know is Eli WAS told if he returned he'd be the starter as long as they were alive in playoff race. How can that happen if they take kyler that high? That's why I don't see qb at 6
If they're worrying about who they draft, because they told Eli he'd be the starter after winning 8 games the previous two seasons there is a huge problem with this organization.
A high pick doesn't have to start his first year. Mahomes played 1 game his rookie season.
I can see them drafting Murray and then dealing risen if the deal was better.
Seems familiar.
2. Matt. I could be wrong. The only thing I know is Eli WAS told if he returned he'd be the starter as long as they were alive in playoff race. How can that happen if they take kyler that high? That's why I don't see qb at 6
What do you mean, how can that happen? Hypothetically, Eli can start. The Giants will be eliminated from the playoffs by at least week 10-12. Then you bring in Murray.
Goff(1st), Mayfield(1st), Trubiski(#2), Watson(#12), Mahomes(#10), Allen(#7), Rosen(#10)... All in the last 3 years... All didn't start the season as starter.
I can see them drafting Murray and then dealing risen if the deal was better.
Seems familiar.
I no longer believe they are allowed to do that. I thought they made some rule change after Lei and Rivers.
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Tom Rock
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2m2 minutes ago
Gettleman on @WFAN660: "I'd be a real clown to not admit (we have to address QB future)... Obviously the ideal situation is you bring a young kid in and let him learn from the old pro."
so he'd be a real clown this year but not last? trading collins would send the wrong message, but snacks and apple didn't?
thanks for removing all doubt - he is a real deal first ballot hall of famer clown.
DSear god, some of you need a fucking explanation on everything. Clearly the others were 100% locker room removals and Collins ended up being $$$$.. He was going to cost too much to keep around.
So they didn't know he was going to be expensive before the week 8 trade deadline? They were utterly shocked? Then at best it's an incompetent moment for the front office.
That explanation doesn't fly.
His words.... I know, KNOW, Giants were offered
more from other teams for OBJ
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This is totally a game of chicken between the cards and the test of the league. I can totally see the cards drafting Murray 1 overall then trading Murray to the Giants for a deal.
I can see them drafting Murray and then dealing risen if the deal was better.
Seems familiar.
I no longer believe they are allowed to do that. I thought they made some rule change after Lei and Rivers.
Did they? I don't remember.
This is my gut feeling as well. Just seems like it all is pointing to Jones. The young guy for Eli to mentor while hes still here. Also, i think the mobility aspect is important to Shurmur. Thats why, more than anything, I think Rosen and Haskins arent really being considered. I would prefer they wait for 2020.
His words.... I know, KNOW, Giants were offered
more from other teams for OBJ
I wonder if he got them from their medical records. Whats his rationale on why we didnt take a better deal?
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and cross checking comments between them, I believe we are picking Jones or Lock (whoever is there) with either the #17 or the #38 pick (or whatever the 1st pick is in Rd 2).
This is my gut feeling as well. Just seems like it all is pointing to Jones. The young guy for Eli to mentor while hes still here. Also, i think the mobility aspect is important to Shurmur. Thats why, more than anything, I think Rosen and Haskins arent really being considered. I would prefer they wait for 2020.
What's signs? There have been no signs.
And who knows what to believe.
But I do find it interesting how DG and others
are saying how important it was to get Peppers
Maybe better picks were offered.
The fans literally pay their bills
His words.... I know, KNOW, Giants were offered
more from other teams for OBJ
He's probably referring to the deal mentioned with the Niners in SI which was 34, Buckner and next years 1. They're close and I would probably lean towards the Niners but I don't have an issue making sure he's out of conference if the value is negligible.
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Tom Rock
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2m2 minutes ago
Gettleman on @WFAN660: "I'd be a real clown to not admit (we have to address QB future)... Obviously the ideal situation is you bring a young kid in and let him learn from the old pro."
so he'd be a real clown this year but not last? trading collins would send the wrong message, but snacks and apple didn't?
thanks for removing all doubt - he is a real deal first ballot hall of famer clown.
DSear god, some of you need a fucking explanation on everything. Clearly the others were 100% locker room removals and Collins ended up being $$$$.. He was going to cost too much to keep around.
So they didn't know he was going to be expensive before the week 8 trade deadline? They were utterly shocked? Then at best it's an incompetent moment for the front office.
That explanation doesn't fly.
Sure it does when you take into account the shoulder injury and his abysmal coverage in his last few games prior to the injury
Schefter did say teams however
If the niners offer was this years 2nd, Buckner and next
years 1st then I dont think its close. Thats by far
a better offer IMO.
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Tom Rock
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2m2 minutes ago
Gettleman on @WFAN660: "I'd be a real clown to not admit (we have to address QB future)... Obviously the ideal situation is you bring a young kid in and let him learn from the old pro."
so he'd be a real clown this year but not last? trading collins would send the wrong message, but snacks and apple didn't?
thanks for removing all doubt - he is a real deal first ballot hall of famer clown.
DSear god, some of you need a fucking explanation on everything. Clearly the others were 100% locker room removals and Collins ended up being $$$$.. He was going to cost too much to keep around.
So they didn't know he was going to be expensive before the week 8 trade deadline? They were utterly shocked? Then at best it's an incompetent moment for the front office.
That explanation doesn't fly.
Sure it does when you take into account the shoulder injury and his abysmal coverage in his last few games prior to the injury
AND we are talking about the Skins who just gave Eric Flowers a 1 year $4M contract.
They probably figured they were in play for around 9-11M, then the injury happened and that lowered his worth so they figured let him shop around and when no one would give him what he wanted they could resign him to something reasonable. Skins went stupid and overpaid him. Happens all the time in the NFL case in point some of our own FA signings the past few years
Rosen wasn't the guy last year, and he's not the guy this year either.
Hold on a minute...
Rosen was not the guy when we were sitting with the #2 pick. However, if he was still sitting there in the 3rd round we may have selected him.
What if they have that conviction on Jarrett Stidham or Will Grier?
Probably the better player but yeah, the cost, especially since we can take a top ER at 6 whod be cost controlled makes it very close.
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1. Two steps. Your an idiot. That's not what I said. Don't put words in my mouth that aren't true. Any logical person knows any qb taken at 6 has to play this year. It's the way the league works.
2. Matt. I could be wrong. The only thing I know is Eli WAS told if he returned he'd be the starter as long as they were alive in playoff race. How can that happen if they take kyler that high? That's why I don't see qb at 6
If they're worrying about who they draft, because they told Eli he'd be the starter after winning 8 games the previous two seasons there is a huge problem with this organization.
A high pick doesn't have to start his first year. Mahomes played 1 game his rookie season.
There is a huge problem with this organization. Our idiot GM literally didnt pick up the phone to see if someone would trump the Browns offer for OBJ, because you lose leverage if you call. Of course, he called his buddy on the Bills.
This organization is Eli blind and has no direction.
2. Matt. I could be wrong. The only thing I know is Eli WAS told if he returned he'd be the starter as long as they were alive in playoff race. How can that happen if they take kyler that high? That's why I don't see qb at 6
You can take a QB #1 and have him sit a year to learn. Giants intended to do that and would have done that if they felt Kurt wasnt still struggling with the offense at 5-4.
2. Matt. I could be wrong. The only thing I know is Eli WAS told if he returned he'd be the starter as long as they were alive in playoff race. How can that happen if they take kyler that high? That's why I don't see qb at 6
Is there some super special rule about the 6 pick only because of QBs selected top 10 in the last 3 years
1- Baker Mayfield didnt start until week 4
2 Sam Darnold wasnt intended to be start but beat out both Bridgewater and McCown who were both signed as FAs to start and mentor him
3- Josh Allen wasnt supposed to start but McCarron got injured.
4- Rosen didnt start until week 4
5- Mitch Trubisky didnt start until week 5
6- Pat Mahomes didnt start until week 17
7- Jared Goff didnt start until week 5
8- Carson Wentz wasnt supposed to start but beat out Bradford and they traded him before week 1
That and the Giants had said they liked the Kansas City model which is see example 6.
Not one of those teams got rid of their veteran QB to make way for the high rookie pick before the Draft or even immediately after and 5 of them actually acquired veteran QBs to start the season knowing they were drafting a rookie QB high
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And thank God he's got everyone guessing instead of the past regime who let everyone know what their cards werew
yeah he sure had us guessing last year with Barkley...
So who are they picking with the 6th this year if he's so readable?
edge rusher
Can I just say that I hate the term "edge rusher"? It's such a contrived, repackaged term. 15-20 years ago, they were called "tweeners". The best "tweener" I remember from the 90s forward was Simeon Rice--who the Giants missed on and ended up with Cedric Jones. Anyway, now they're called "edge rushers." Can we just call them what they are--"DE/OLBs"?
2. Matt. I could be wrong. The only thing I know is Eli WAS told if he returned he'd be the starter as long as they were alive in playoff race. How can that happen if they take kyler that high? That's why I don't see qb at 6 [/quote]
And if you want to pass yourself off as an Asshat you should learn to distinguish between information that you know is verifiably coming from the Giants and what information you are adding your own assessment to.
Terps,
I know the feeling. I did that in the fall when i thought he could be the guy (just has GIANTS written all over him)...you will likely be disappointed. Youll find that you will try and convince yourself he is good and think it is the lack of surrounding talent. Ask yourself this..when was the last time a QB with as poor as statistics as he has turned into something in the NFL. I know college statistics arent everything, but there is a threshold. Good statistics do not mean good NFL QB...but dad college statistics...tough to find any good NFL QBs.
Schefter did say teams however
If the niners offer was this years 2nd, Buckner and next
years 1st then I dont think its close. Thats by far
a better offer IMO.
That is total bullshit. Never is next years #1 better than this years #1 especially when #1 this year is the 2nd pick and the 49ers will probably win between 7-9 games so pick about #15. You get the player this year, not next year.
Some of you make crap up to fill your agenda. And there is no way that Gettleman doesn't take the best trade. You don't think whatever team wouldn't leak that they offered x,y and z for OBJ if it was truly a better return for the Giants.
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has to do this. The Giants need to stop worrying about what the fans think with regards to the roster and the moves they make. Put a winning team on the field and no one will be worrying about the Giants trading Odell Beckham.
The fans literally pay their bills
Buckner the superior player to Peppers, IMO
As far as the picks are concerned, you may have
a point this years first better than niners 1st round pick
next year but niners 2nd round pick this year(34) a hell of a lot
Better than Browns 3rd round pick.
And relax would ya
The #34 pick this year probably isn't far off in value from a garden variety future 1st since you get it this year. But the 49ers 2020 pick isn't garden variety since they haven't been competitive since Harbough left. That pick is an excellent bet to be in the first half of the round if not top 10. Both of those assets are probably more valuable than Peppers. And exponentially more valuable than a late 3rd.
Me too
2. Matt. I could be wrong. The only thing I know is Eli WAS told if he returned he'd be the starter as long as they were alive in playoff race. How can that happen if they take kyler that high? That's why I don't see qb at 6
And if you want to pass yourself off as an Asshat you should learn to distinguish between information that you know is verifiably coming from the Giants and what information you are adding your own assessment to. [/quote]
"pass yourself off as an asshat"
Why be such an ass? He's been nice enough to post the info he has heard all offseason.
2. Matt. I could be wrong. The only thing I know is Eli WAS told if he returned he'd be the starter as long as they were alive in playoff race. How can that happen if they take kyler that high? That's why I don't see qb at 6
And if you want to pass yourself off as an Asshat you should learn to distinguish between information that you know is verifiably coming from the Giants and what information you are adding your own assessment to. [/quote]
Here's a suggestion, why don't stop following him around on his threads so they rest of us can enjoy the info he does give out.
Why does there always have to be one person on BBI that desires to run off any other poster giving us info?
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2. Matt. I could be wrong. The only thing I know is Eli WAS told if he returned he'd be the starter as long as they were alive in playoff race. How can that happen if they take kyler that high? That's why I don't see qb at 6
And if you want to pass yourself off as an Asshat you should learn to distinguish between information that you know is verifiably coming from the Giants and what information you are adding your own assessment to.
"pass yourself off as an asshat"
Why be such an ass? He's been nice enough to post the info he has heard all offseason. [/quote]
Maybe its because Mr Nice Enough called me an idiot for no apparent reason? And this is not a one time occurrence?
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2. Matt. I could be wrong. The only thing I know is Eli WAS told if he returned he'd be the starter as long as they were alive in playoff race. How can that happen if they take kyler that high? That's why I don't see qb at 6
And if you want to pass yourself off as an Asshat you should learn to distinguish between information that you know is verifiably coming from the Giants and what information you are adding your own assessment to.
Here's a suggestion, why don't stop following him around on his threads so they rest of us can enjoy the info he does give out.
Why does there always have to be one person on BBI that desires to run off any other poster giving us info? [/quote]
Ive been following him around? Thats news to me. This is first time ive engaged him since before last years draft.