Should be thrilling stuff. Mike loved the Beckham move, only downside is he needs to find a new Giants player to put in his doghouse. He wont ask Getttleman a remotely tough question.
Just said he'd be a "real clown not to address it" in reference to the QB position - so, before a lot of people lose their minds over the Eli stuff - I think he knows this isn't a long-term thing.
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2m2 minutes ago
Gettleman on @WFAN660: "I'd be a real clown to not admit (we have to address QB future)... Obviously the ideal situation is you bring a young kid in and let him learn from the old pro."
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2m2 minutes ago
Gettleman on @WFAN660 "I told Eli we would consider everything, consider all options... Obviously we've done nothing so I think everyone can figure out what option we decided to go with. Moving forward, he's our starting quarterback."
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Gettleman on @WFAN660: "We're not through the process yet... We've got to look at (the QBs) ... Do I feel forced to do something now? No. Would I like to? Probably. But I have to believe it's the right guy to be the QB for this iconic franchise."
"We signed him because he earned it and we turned around and looked at the club and realized he was an asset and moved one player for 3 players. We wont know for a few years how the trade will do."
Lil Wayne interview had nothing to do with it and ownership had nothing to do with it.
Obviously the bit about Odell re: ESPN interview, the other stuff he's lying about - smartly. No reason to turn that into something Francesa follows up on with 20 more questions. That's something he should just leave a lid on. Better off.
He sounds like he's planning on getting a QB in here this year.
Heard the same thing.
But then the subtle backpedal of still needing to evaluate the prospects.
I look forward to the investment of a 5th round pick. Yea, that should shore it up. Im not listening, but if hes not basically done with the evaluation process hes a bigger fool than even I thought.
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#Giants are "Very mindful" of getting third-round draft pick in 2020 for Landon Collins, Gettleman says. (So don't expect a big contract to be handed out which could negate that).
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Gettleman: Defensively, with what we've been able to do so far, I feel good so far. We're not finished. If you do this part of the year right, you set yourself up to take best player available in #NFLDraft. #giants
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42s42 seconds ago
Gettleman on @WFAN660 "Not only is this a heavy draft in the volume of talent, it's a heavy defensive draft. I really believe we can fix a lot and get a lot of things going."
Says he took note of Engram's production in games where Beckham didn't play - seems to believe there's a lot more there.
Also said Shepard/Tate can both work together in Shurmur's offense - but, I don't doubt that they'd still trade Shep. Gettleman isn't going to drop any hints on that here in this interview.
Should be thrilling stuff. Mike loved the Beckham move, only downside is he needs to find a new Giants player to put in his doghouse. He wont ask Getttleman a remotely tough question.
Oscar, I know nothing about you. But I would venture to say if your career ends up as successful as theirs, you will have done well for yourself
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Gettleman on @WFAN660 on when to pull the lever on a QB change with a rookie behind Eli: "Time will tell. I'd like to think I'll make the right decision."
Really sounds like they are making it up as they go.
Its just a feeling that this thing isnt stitched together very well.
Eh, it just sounded more to me like he was monitoring himself and being careful not to be too forthcoming or telling about what their plans really are.
I really don't think they're just making shit up as they go.
We might not love what they do or agree with their plans - but I think assuming this is a bit of a reach.
If Murray was in play Eli wouldn't be back. Again, and I know this for a Fact, eli will be the QB as long as Giants are alive in playoff race. If you trade for Murray he plays from day 1. There's no evidence the Giants will break an agreement w eli.
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That was quite a ride. In the first 10 minutes of that interview, I was convinced Gettleman was taking a QB this year. When Francesa went back and re-asked the same questions, I was convinced they aren't taking one.
If Murray was in play Eli wouldn't be back. Again, and I know this for a Fact, eli will be the QB as long as Giants are alive in playoff race. If you trade for Murray he plays from day 1. There's no evidence the Giants will break an agreement w eli.
You still need a contingency plan in case you can can't land Murray, and the KC model... but I get it a high draft pick that you sold the farm for should start day 1...
If Murray was in play Eli wouldn't be back. Again, and I know this for a Fact, eli will be the QB as long as Giants are alive in playoff race. If you trade for Murray he plays from day 1. There's no evidence the Giants will break an agreement w eli.
Murray doesn't seem like the Giants type of pick, but even if he was, I feel like they would want him to sit behind Eli.
That means to me we are trading for either Rosen if Murray is taken or Murray if the Cardinals pass on him. Which is why DG was really talking to San Fran. Seeing what it takes to get him to # 2
If Murray was in play Eli wouldn't be back. Again, and I know this for a Fact, eli will be the QB as long as Giants are alive in playoff race. If you trade for Murray he plays from day 1. There's no evidence the Giants will break an agreement w eli.
Eh, it just sounded more to me like he was monitoring himself and being careful not to be too forthcoming or telling about what their plans really are.
I really don't think they're just making shit up as they go.
We might not love what they do or agree with their plans - but I think assuming this is a bit of a reach.
Fair enough. To me, there was a sense of ad-libbing going on.
first - thank you for all the input you have been providing.
I actually keep thinking Josh Rosen is the "if things work out" comment. Now I am in the minority and am not a big fan of Rosen. I am skeptical that a team is willing to move on from him after one year and other things about his game I dislike.
Eli is a lame duck, we've got draft equity... we're trading up for Murray.
I will say this, the Giants need to play chicken with the Cardinals then. We are in the drivers seat. The only other team to worry about is Oakland as far as trading up for Murray. Let the Cardinals blink. I think if we stay where we are, we get the chance to draft either Murray (who I am not really a fan of but will see) or we get a defensive player falling to us.
Assuming Cards pass on Murray, then you have the 49ers, Jets, Raiders and Bucs who most likely will all pass on Murray. Teams who could try and move up- Miami, Jacksonville, Washington and maybe Cincinnati (but he doesn't seem like a QB for them).. I think we can hold the line at 6 and get Murray if we want.
If Murray was in play Eli wouldn't be back. Again, and I know this for a Fact, eli will be the QB as long as Giants are alive in playoff race. If you trade for Murray he plays from day 1. There's no evidence the Giants will break an agreement w eli.
Why would trading for Murray means he plays day 1? The Giants traded for Eli and he didn't play day 1.
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Gettleman on @WFAN660 on when to pull the lever on a QB change with a rookie behind Eli: "Time will tell. I'd like to think I'll make the right decision."
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2m2 minutes ago
Gettleman on @WFAN660: "I'd be a real clown to not admit (we have to address QB future)... Obviously the ideal situation is you bring a young kid in and let him learn from the old pro."
so he'd be a real clown this year but not last? trading collins would send the wrong message, but snacks and apple didn't?
thanks for removing all doubt - he is a real deal first ballot hall of famer clown.
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2m2 minutes ago
Gettleman on @WFAN660: "I'd be a real clown to not admit (we have to address QB future)... Obviously the ideal situation is you bring a young kid in and let him learn from the old pro."
so he'd be a real clown this year but not last? trading collins would send the wrong message, but snacks and apple didn't?
thanks for removing all doubt - he is a real deal first ballot hall of famer clown.
DSear god, some of you need a fucking explanation on everything. Clearly the others were 100% locker room removals and Collins ended up being $$$$.. He was going to cost too much to keep around.
Very confusing interview regarding the QB position and how it relates to this draft. You can make a case for each end of the spectrum based on what he said to Mike.
If Murray was in play Eli wouldn't be back. Again, and I know this for a Fact, eli will be the QB as long as Giants are alive in playoff race. If you trade for Murray he plays from day 1. There's no evidence the Giants will break an agreement w eli.
Why would trading for Murray means he plays day 1? The Giants traded for Eli and he didn't play day 1.
Neither did Mahomes and KC gave up a future 1st to do so in a trade up.
Very confusing interview regarding the QB position and how it relates to this draft. You can make a case for each end of the spectrum based on what he said to Mike.
And reach for some qb with pick 17 or take the ultra unlikeable Rosen. That interview inspired no confidence.
If you think its a reach when he picks anyone, he reached. I don't expect he will reach from his board, not in rounds 1 through 4/5. I'm guessing he does in fact stick to his board.
They are SO invested in their absolute hatred of the Giants Front Office that they cannot even keep their positions straight. They think they are striking mighty blows in the court of public opinion with their comments- but it comes across as a bunch of clowns trying to pack themselves into a Yugo trying to one-up each other.
In their rush to pile in, they forget the positions they just took in order to rush another attack out.
Big body, big arm, seems well-suited for windy MetLife. Are the Giants smoke screening?
I just can't bring myself to fully rule out Haskins, despite the recent reports to the contrary, due to his character. If the Giants believe Haskins' flaws are correctable, he comes across as exactly the type of guy a franchise looking to "change the culture" would want.
I'm not saying I want Haskins, necessarily. I can just see the Giants brass falling in love with his character.
If Murray was in play Eli wouldn't be back. Again, and I know this for a Fact, eli will be the QB as long as Giants are alive in playoff race. If you trade for Murray he plays from day 1. There's no evidence the Giants will break an agreement w eli.
3 of the 4 QBs in top 10 last year started on bench so why would Kyler have to play from day 1?
If the Giants believed any of what they said today this wouldnt be a problem.
What you really mean is that Kyler Murrsy is so far superior to Eli Manning that it will be obvious from day 1 and they would be forced to play him and admit their mistake so they will never put themselves in that position
It's not clear when he will take one. But he's going to take one if the "right" guy is there.
True, and I find it hard to believe he'll take a QB or other that doesn't have a grade for that slot/round. A guy in DG's position doesn't project he relies on his board if that's not true. Forget the fans and the media, he'd lose all credibility with his staff and ownership.
Big body, big arm, seems well-suited for windy MetLife. Are the Giants smoke screening?
It seems like half the posters here have forgotten what a real GM does- lie and posture so other teams have no idea who they are going to pick until the card hits the commissioner's hand.
Remember all the wailing and crying her over how other teams predicted what the Giants were going to do and jumping ahead of them to grab those players? Now that you have a GM who is blatantly spinning and lying to hide their intentions, suddenly this is a bad thing?
Big body, big arm, seems well-suited for windy MetLife. Are the Giants smoke screening?
It seems like half the posters here have forgotten what a real GM does- lie and posture so other teams have no idea who they are going to pick until the card hits the commissioner's hand.
Remember all the wailing and crying her over how other teams predicted what the Giants were going to do and jumping ahead of them to grab those players? Now that you have a GM who is blatantly spinning and lying to hide their intentions, suddenly this is a bad thing?
So according to jt it's not Rosen and its not Murray.... hmmmm who does that leave?
With 2 picks in the first round and 10 other picks
If you want a qb u give whatever it takes to get Murray. I hate the build he has but its the way the nfl is trending with athleticism at the qb position. The rules favor qb protection and he would absolutely maximize Saquons talents from the qb position.
If Murray was in play Eli wouldn't be back. Again, and I know this for a Fact, eli will be the QB as long as Giants are alive in playoff race. If you trade for Murray he plays from day 1. There's no evidence the Giants will break an agreement w eli.
3 of the 4 QBs in top 10 last year started on bench so why would Kyler have to play from day 1?
If the Giants believed any of what they said today this wouldnt be a problem.
What you really mean is that Kyler Murrsy is so far superior to Eli Manning that it will be obvious from day 1 and they would be forced to play him and admit their mistake so they will never put themselves in that position
You are trying too hard to find something he isn't saying.
The answer is obvious people. Eli and Murray are so different that Murray would have nothing to learn from Eli because Eli's game doesn't translate to what Murray does. MAYBE Eli could help him with pre-snap reads, but that's about it.
it seems like #6 and #17 or some version of that will be on defense. And if one of the QB's they like (say Daniel Jones or Lock) slips into the second round or late first they may move up from #37 to get them.
I don't like this idea. Stop wasting picks on mediocre QB options. Just go all defense and worry about QB next year.
But DG will probably justify it by saying we are trying to win this year so we won't be bad enough to get the top QB's.
I just hate 2nd or 3rd round QB's...they rarely work out and they usually are a wasted pick when you can get a starting calibre player on defense with this day 2 pick.
Honestly, when I hear he would "like to" draft a QB
that tells me that there may be a QB (or more than one) he likes, but the question is will he be available at #6 or is he not worth the value of #6. DG seems very pragmatic and seems to go by what the value is at the pick, he doesn't feel forced to DEFINITELY take a QB in 2019 if said QB would either not be worth the #6 pick or not be worth the trade required to move up and get the guy you like.
For instance: maybe he likes Murray but if Murray is going #1 there's not much he can do about that. IDK I made that up but it was just the sense I got.
He knows he needs a QB sooner rather than later, especially if he wants him to sit behind Eli. Hes doing this one step at a time, dont believe everything that comes out of his mouth. Hes a schmoozer. His plan is pretty obvious actually. Rebalance the $ allocation giving preference to the lines. Plug holes as best he can in the short run so they can be more competitive. Develop young players to push those stop gap vets off the roster. Use Eli in the short run for stability, ( he cited his cost vs the league vs other options). Get a young guy in to push Eli off the roster. Since most of the young guys will come from the draft, he needs REALLY good drafts this year and next.
the one thing about Murray. I have trust in your take on the situation, but Mayfield didn't start last year. He sat behind Taylor for a couple of weeks until he took over in the Jets game. If the Giants by some miracle land Murray, I'd say it would be the same thing, only odds are Eli would hold down the starting job unless he gets hurt or the Giants fall out of the race like they have the past few years.
Ultimately, if the Giants draft a guy, they should look at him as if he's the QB of the future. I'm not interested in a guy if he's a "value" pick. Meaning, if you think Murray, Haskins, Lock or (God forbid) Jones is the QB of the future. Get him. But don't take a guy like Lock or Jones if he slips to 17 or even 2nd round if you aren't sold on him but because the value is there.
However, if we all play this out, and I've said this for a few weeks, looking ahead, the Giants almost have to take a QB. If they don't, they will be bent over to trade for Fromm, Tua, or Herbert. Unless the Giants are going with the thought that they load up on their picks this year and fill out so much of the roster that they are willing to gut their 2020 draft to get a QB because they landed so many picks in 2019. A risky play. If that's the plan, I'm not feeling so good...
However, if we all play this out, and I've said this for a few weeks, looking ahead, the Giants almost have to take a QB. If they don't, they will be bent over to trade for Fromm, Tua, or Herbert. Unless the Giants are going with the thought that they load up on their picks this year and fill out so much of the roster that they are willing to gut their 2020 draft to get a QB because they landed so many picks in 2019. A risky play. If that's the plan, I'm not feeling so good...
Unless as DG says he goes year by year. If they feel Eli can still play, they will extend him. That's a real possibility here.
Big body, big arm, seems well-suited for windy MetLife. Are the Giants smoke screening?
It seems like half the posters here have forgotten what a real GM does- lie and posture so other teams have no idea who they are going to pick until the card hits the commissioner's hand.
Remember all the wailing and crying her over how other teams predicted what the Giants were going to do and jumping ahead of them to grab those players? Now that you have a GM who is blatantly spinning and lying to hide their intentions, suddenly this is a bad thing?
Is to have the rookie watch him work and see how he handles himself as a professional. I'm not sure how style of play is relevant with that strategy and Murray is any different from the other QBs.
If we're reading into an interview it's the obvious in that they'll take a QB if they like one. At this point, I think QB at 17 is more likely than 6.
Perhaps I have forgotten; wasn't Collins the QB when Eli was drafted and Collins wanted out because they went up to get Eli? Didn't they release Collins and sign Warner?
If Murray was in play Eli wouldn't be back. Again, and I know this for a Fact, eli will be the QB as long as Giants are alive in playoff race. If you trade for Murray he plays from day 1. There's no evidence the Giants will break an agreement w eli.
Why can't we draft Murray and have him sit? That makes no sense
If Murray was in play Eli wouldn't be back. Again, and I know this for a Fact, eli will be the QB as long as Giants are alive in playoff race. If you trade for Murray he plays from day 1. There's no evidence the Giants will break an agreement w eli.
I love Eli, but jeez... this is ridiculous. The team is bound by "agreements" as opposed to what's best for the franchise? In addition, I don't see how drafting Murray would preclude them from letting him sit on the bench for a while.
I know I keep saying this over and over, but this gives me absolutely zero confidence in the people running the show here.
Big body, big arm, seems well-suited for windy MetLife. Are the Giants smoke screening?
No, when have they done that recently?
jonc, have you heard any rumblings on how they feel about him off the field? i.e. work ethic, commitment to staying healthy etc. i know there were some concerns about him showing up to the combine out of shape.
1. Two steps. Your an idiot. That's not what I said. Don't put words in my mouth that aren't true. Any logical person knows any qb taken at 6 has to play this year. It's the way the league works.
2. Matt. I could be wrong. The only thing I know is Eli WAS told if he returned he'd be the starter as long as they were alive in playoff race. How can that happen if they take kyler that high? That's why I don't see qb at 6
I remember BBIers guessing right up to the moment before the Barkley pick that it could be Barkley, it could be Chubb, it could be a trade-down with Denver, it could be a QB.
So, no, I don't remember when Gettleman telegraphed the Barkley pick beforehand last year.
Turn over the roster. Build both lines. Focus the draft on defense, hopefully with the first 2 picks and most of the other picks. Trade assets for picks, including guys at the end of their contracts like Colllins and Shep. Get rid of guys who are overpriced and injury prone.
The QB comments are similar to those for OBJ. Didnt sign him to trade him. Which is correct but trading him became the best course of action. Same here, if theres a guy he likes, hell make it happen. Just hoping its not Haskins or Jones.
I could be wrong. The only thing I know is Eli WAS told if he returned he'd be the starter as long as they were alive in playoff race. How can that happen if they take kyler that high? That's why I don't see qb at 6
Giant fans see everything in extremes. DG is either a genius who has a master plan or a buffoon who is clueless. Maybe he is neither. Maybe he is just an average GM who is going occasionally get a big hit and other times swing and miss badly.
I am not impressed with this guy as too many of his "moves" are inconsistent with each other, but I do not think he is an idiot. He drafted well last year--other than Lauletta. He jettisoned an aging malcontent DL for a draft choice and an overrated CB for a draft choice. Then he gives away Collins for nothing, trades OBJ for a mediocre package and takes much of his savings from that deal and invests in a guaranteed contract for a much older wide receiver with considerably less upside. He talks big and does not give a damn what others think about him. Perfect stereotypical New Yorker--old school. Makes Mara very happy to have one around again. Not great, not horrible just middle of the road. The man with the plan, but the plan keeps changing.
1. Two steps. Your an idiot. That's not what I said. Don't put words in my mouth that aren't true. Any logical person knows any qb taken at 6 has to play this year. It's the way the league works.
2. Matt. I could be wrong. The only thing I know is Eli WAS told if he returned he'd be the starter as long as they were alive in playoff race. How can that happen if they take kyler that high? That's why I don't see qb at 6
If they're worrying about who they draft, because they told Eli he'd be the starter after winning 8 games the previous two seasons there is a huge problem with this organization.
A high pick doesn't have to start his first year. Mahomes played 1 game his rookie season.
This is totally a game of chicken between the cards and the test of the league. I can totally see the cards drafting Murray 1 overall then trading Murray to the Giants for a deal.
I can see them drafting Murray and then dealing risen if the deal was better.
1. Two steps. Your an idiot. That's not what I said. Don't put words in my mouth that aren't true. Any logical person knows any qb taken at 6 has to play this year. It's the way the league works.
2. Matt. I could be wrong. The only thing I know is Eli WAS told if he returned he'd be the starter as long as they were alive in playoff race. How can that happen if they take kyler that high? That's why I don't see qb at 6
What do you mean, how can that happen? Hypothetically, Eli can start. The Giants will be eliminated from the playoffs by at least week 10-12. Then you bring in Murray.
Goff(1st), Mayfield(1st), Trubiski(#2), Watson(#12), Mahomes(#10), Allen(#7), Rosen(#10)... All in the last 3 years... All didn't start the season as starter.
This is totally a game of chicken between the cards and the test of the league. I can totally see the cards drafting Murray 1 overall then trading Murray to the Giants for a deal.
I can see them drafting Murray and then dealing risen if the deal was better.
Seems familiar.
I no longer believe they are allowed to do that. I thought they made some rule change after Lei and Rivers.
and cross checking comments between them, I believe we are picking Jones or Lock (whoever is there) with either the #17 or the #38 pick (or whatever the 1st pick is in Rd 2).
Maybe a QB taken high winds up eventually playing a little into year one, but there's no prerequisite for a top QB to play day one. Plenty of recent examples of high picks sitting.
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2m2 minutes ago
Gettleman on @WFAN660: "I'd be a real clown to not admit (we have to address QB future)... Obviously the ideal situation is you bring a young kid in and let him learn from the old pro."
so he'd be a real clown this year but not last? trading collins would send the wrong message, but snacks and apple didn't?
thanks for removing all doubt - he is a real deal first ballot hall of famer clown.
DSear god, some of you need a fucking explanation on everything. Clearly the others were 100% locker room removals and Collins ended up being $$$$.. He was going to cost too much to keep around.
So they didn't know he was going to be expensive before the week 8 trade deadline? They were utterly shocked? Then at best it's an incompetent moment for the front office.
This is totally a game of chicken between the cards and the test of the league. I can totally see the cards drafting Murray 1 overall then trading Murray to the Giants for a deal.
I can see them drafting Murray and then dealing risen if the deal was better.
Seems familiar.
I no longer believe they are allowed to do that. I thought they made some rule change after Lei and Rivers.
Did they? I don't remember.
RE: After sifting through all these threads of DG interviews
and cross checking comments between them, I believe we are picking Jones or Lock (whoever is there) with either the #17 or the #38 pick (or whatever the 1st pick is in Rd 2).
This is my gut feeling as well. Just seems like it all is pointing to Jones. The young guy for Eli to mentor while hes still here. Also, i think the mobility aspect is important to Shurmur. Thats why, more than anything, I think Rosen and Haskins arent really being considered. I would prefer they wait for 2020.
and cross checking comments between them, I believe we are picking Jones or Lock (whoever is there) with either the #17 or the #38 pick (or whatever the 1st pick is in Rd 2).
This is my gut feeling as well. Just seems like it all is pointing to Jones. The young guy for Eli to mentor while hes still here. Also, i think the mobility aspect is important to Shurmur. Thats why, more than anything, I think Rosen and Haskins arent really being considered. I would prefer they wait for 2020.
has to do this. The Giants need to stop worrying about what the fans think with regards to the roster and the moves they make. Put a winning team on the field and no one will be worrying about the Giants trading Odell Beckham.
has to do this. The Giants need to stop worrying about what the fans think with regards to the roster and the moves they make. Put a winning team on the field and no one will be worrying about the Giants trading Odell Beckham.
His words.... I know, KNOW, Giants were offered
more from other teams for OBJ
He's probably referring to the deal mentioned with the Niners in SI which was 34, Buckner and next years 1. They're close and I would probably lean towards the Niners but I don't have an issue making sure he's out of conference if the value is negligible.
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2m2 minutes ago
Gettleman on @WFAN660: "I'd be a real clown to not admit (we have to address QB future)... Obviously the ideal situation is you bring a young kid in and let him learn from the old pro."
so he'd be a real clown this year but not last? trading collins would send the wrong message, but snacks and apple didn't?
thanks for removing all doubt - he is a real deal first ballot hall of famer clown.
DSear god, some of you need a fucking explanation on everything. Clearly the others were 100% locker room removals and Collins ended up being $$$$.. He was going to cost too much to keep around.
So they didn't know he was going to be expensive before the week 8 trade deadline? They were utterly shocked? Then at best it's an incompetent moment for the front office.
That explanation doesn't fly.
Sure it does when you take into account the shoulder injury and his abysmal coverage in his last few games prior to the injury
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2m2 minutes ago
Gettleman on @WFAN660: "I'd be a real clown to not admit (we have to address QB future)... Obviously the ideal situation is you bring a young kid in and let him learn from the old pro."
so he'd be a real clown this year but not last? trading collins would send the wrong message, but snacks and apple didn't?
thanks for removing all doubt - he is a real deal first ballot hall of famer clown.
DSear god, some of you need a fucking explanation on everything. Clearly the others were 100% locker room removals and Collins ended up being $$$$.. He was going to cost too much to keep around.
So they didn't know he was going to be expensive before the week 8 trade deadline? They were utterly shocked? Then at best it's an incompetent moment for the front office.
That explanation doesn't fly.
Sure it does when you take into account the shoulder injury and his abysmal coverage in his last few games prior to the injury
AND we are talking about the Skins who just gave Eric Flowers a 1 year $4M contract.
They probably figured they were in play for around 9-11M, then the injury happened and that lowered his worth so they figured let him shop around and when no one would give him what he wanted they could resign him to something reasonable. Skins went stupid and overpaid him. Happens all the time in the NFL case in point some of our own FA signings the past few years
Buckner is on the last year of his deal with a massive option year coming up (Average of Top 5 DEs). He's due to get big $$$. I'd lean that way too but think it's closer than it looks at first glance.
Rosen wasn't the guy last year, and he's not the guy this year either.
Hold on a minute...
Rosen was not the guy when we were sitting with the #2 pick. However, if he was still sitting there in the 3rd round we may have selected him.
Why does the "the team and situation around him sucks"
excuse get used for some players but not others. The Cardinals were the worst coached and worst roster in football last year, but somehow that should reflect on Rosen, a rookie thrown into a tire fire.
Buckner is on the last year of his deal with a massive option year coming up (Average of Top 5 DEs). He's due to get big $$$. I'd lean that way too but think it's closer than it looks at first glance.
Probably the better player but yeah, the cost, especially since we can take a top ER at 6 whod be cost controlled makes it very close.
1. Two steps. Your an idiot. That's not what I said. Don't put words in my mouth that aren't true. Any logical person knows any qb taken at 6 has to play this year. It's the way the league works.
2. Matt. I could be wrong. The only thing I know is Eli WAS told if he returned he'd be the starter as long as they were alive in playoff race. How can that happen if they take kyler that high? That's why I don't see qb at 6
If they're worrying about who they draft, because they told Eli he'd be the starter after winning 8 games the previous two seasons there is a huge problem with this organization.
A high pick doesn't have to start his first year. Mahomes played 1 game his rookie season.
There is a huge problem with this organization. Our idiot GM literally didnt pick up the phone to see if someone would trump the Browns offer for OBJ, because you lose leverage if you call. Of course, he called his buddy on the Bills.
This organization is Eli blind and has no direction.
1. Two steps. Your an idiot. That's not what I said. Don't put words in my mouth that aren't true. Any logical person knows any qb taken at 6 has to play this year. It's the way the league works.
2. Matt. I could be wrong. The only thing I know is Eli WAS told if he returned he'd be the starter as long as they were alive in playoff race. How can that happen if they take kyler that high? That's why I don't see qb at 6
You can take a QB #1 and have him sit a year to learn. Giants intended to do that and would have done that if they felt Kurt wasnt still struggling with the offense at 5-4.
1. Two steps. Your an idiot. That's not what I said. Don't put words in my mouth that aren't true. Any logical person knows any qb taken at 6 has to play this year. It's the way the league works.
2. Matt. I could be wrong. The only thing I know is Eli WAS told if he returned he'd be the starter as long as they were alive in playoff race. How can that happen if they take kyler that high? That's why I don't see qb at 6
Is there some super special rule about the 6 pick only because of QBs selected top 10 in the last 3 years
1- Baker Mayfield didnt start until week 4
2 Sam Darnold wasnt intended to be start but beat out both Bridgewater and McCown who were both signed as FAs to start and mentor him
3- Josh Allen wasnt supposed to start but McCarron got injured.
4- Rosen didnt start until week 4
5- Mitch Trubisky didnt start until week 5
6- Pat Mahomes didnt start until week 17
7- Jared Goff didnt start until week 5
8- Carson Wentz wasnt supposed to start but beat out Bradford and they traded him before week 1
That and the Giants had said they liked the Kansas City model which is see example 6.
Not one of those teams got rid of their veteran QB to make way for the high rookie pick before the Draft or even immediately after and 5 of them actually acquired veteran QBs to start the season knowing they were drafting a rookie QB high
I'm starting to watch a lot more Daniel Jones clips
And thank God he's got everyone guessing instead of the past regime who let everyone know what their cards werew
yeah he sure had us guessing last year with Barkley...
So who are they picking with the 6th this year if he's so readable?
edge rusher
Can I just say that I hate the term "edge rusher"? It's such a contrived, repackaged term. 15-20 years ago, they were called "tweeners". The best "tweener" I remember from the 90s forward was Simeon Rice--who the Giants missed on and ended up with Cedric Jones. Anyway, now they're called "edge rushers." Can we just call them what they are--"DE/OLBs"?
2. Matt. I could be wrong. The only thing I know is Eli WAS told if he returned he'd be the starter as long as they were alive in playoff race. How can that happen if they take kyler that high? That's why I don't see qb at 6 [/quote]
And if you want to pass yourself off as an Asshat you should learn to distinguish between information that you know is verifiably coming from the Giants and what information you are adding your own assessment to.
RE: I'm starting to watch a lot more Daniel Jones clips
I know the feeling. I did that in the fall when i thought he could be the guy (just has GIANTS written all over him)...you will likely be disappointed. Youll find that you will try and convince yourself he is good and think it is the lack of surrounding talent. Ask yourself this..when was the last time a QB with as poor as statistics as he has turned into something in the NFL. I know college statistics arent everything, but there is a threshold. Good statistics do not mean good NFL QB...but dad college statistics...tough to find any good NFL QBs.
If the niners offer was this years 2nd, Buckner and next
years 1st then I dont think its close. Thats by far
a better offer IMO.
That is total bullshit. Never is next years #1 better than this years #1 especially when #1 this year is the 2nd pick and the 49ers will probably win between 7-9 games so pick about #15. You get the player this year, not next year.
Some of you make crap up to fill your agenda. And there is no way that Gettleman doesn't take the best trade. You don't think whatever team wouldn't leak that they offered x,y and z for OBJ if it was truly a better return for the Giants.
has to do this. The Giants need to stop worrying about what the fans think with regards to the roster and the moves they make. Put a winning team on the field and no one will be worrying about the Giants trading Odell Beckham.
The fans literally pay their bills
Yes but I doubt many people are giving up their season tickets over this. This would blow over whether Gettleman goes on a tour announcing they have a plan.
It was my opinion that if that was offered, its better.
Buckner the superior player to Peppers, IMO
As far as the picks are concerned, you may have
a point this years first better than niners 1st round pick
next year but niners 2nd round pick this year(34) a hell of a lot
Better than Browns 3rd round pick.
And relax would ya
That rumored offer sounds like BS because it's way better
Buckner is probably worth the 17th pick by himself. He's a 25 year old 300 pound freak who got picked in the top 5 for a reason, started every game but 1 in the 3 years he's been in the NFL, and just had a break out season with 12.5 sacks. Only 11 players had more sacks than he did last year.
The #34 pick this year probably isn't far off in value from a garden variety future 1st since you get it this year. But the 49ers 2020 pick isn't garden variety since they haven't been competitive since Harbough left. That pick is an excellent bet to be in the first half of the round if not top 10. Both of those assets are probably more valuable than Peppers. And exponentially more valuable than a late 3rd.
RE: I'm starting to watch a lot more Daniel Jones clips
2. Matt. I could be wrong. The only thing I know is Eli WAS told if he returned he'd be the starter as long as they were alive in playoff race. How can that happen if they take kyler that high? That's why I don't see qb at 6
And if you want to pass yourself off as an Asshat you should learn to distinguish between information that you know is verifiably coming from the Giants and what information you are adding your own assessment to. [/quote]
"pass yourself off as an asshat"
Why be such an ass? He's been nice enough to post the info he has heard all offseason.
2. Matt. I could be wrong. The only thing I know is Eli WAS told if he returned he'd be the starter as long as they were alive in playoff race. How can that happen if they take kyler that high? That's why I don't see qb at 6
And if you want to pass yourself off as an Asshat you should learn to distinguish between information that you know is verifiably coming from the Giants and what information you are adding your own assessment to. [/quote]
Here's a suggestion, why don't stop following him around on his threads so they rest of us can enjoy the info he does give out.
Why does there always have to be one person on BBI that desires to run off any other poster giving us info?
2. Matt. I could be wrong. The only thing I know is Eli WAS told if he returned he'd be the starter as long as they were alive in playoff race. How can that happen if they take kyler that high? That's why I don't see qb at 6
And if you want to pass yourself off as an Asshat you should learn to distinguish between information that you know is verifiably coming from the Giants and what information you are adding your own assessment to.
"pass yourself off as an asshat"
Why be such an ass? He's been nice enough to post the info he has heard all offseason. [/quote]
Maybe its because Mr Nice Enough called me an idiot for no apparent reason? And this is not a one time occurrence?
2. Matt. I could be wrong. The only thing I know is Eli WAS told if he returned he'd be the starter as long as they were alive in playoff race. How can that happen if they take kyler that high? That's why I don't see qb at 6
And if you want to pass yourself off as an Asshat you should learn to distinguish between information that you know is verifiably coming from the Giants and what information you are adding your own assessment to.
Here's a suggestion, why don't stop following him around on his threads so they rest of us can enjoy the info he does give out.
Why does there always have to be one person on BBI that desires to run off any other poster giving us info? [/quote]
Ive been following him around? Thats news to me. This is first time ive engaged him since before last years draft.
"This is a monster decision. The GM has to get the HC and QB right."
"We gotta believe that guy is legitimately good enough to be the starting QB for the NYFG"
"We are starting the evaluation process."
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Gettleman on @WFAN660: "I'd be a real clown to not admit (we have to address QB future)... Obviously the ideal situation is you bring a young kid in and let him learn from the old pro."
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Gettleman on @WFAN660 "I told Eli we would consider everything, consider all options... Obviously we've done nothing so I think everyone can figure out what option we decided to go with. Moving forward, he's our starting quarterback."
Ryan Dunleavy
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Gettleman: Would I like to draft a QB? 'I would like to.' But he is not going to force it. #giants
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Gettleman on @WFAN660: "We're not through the process yet... We've got to look at (the QBs) ... Do I feel forced to do something now? No. Would I like to? Probably. But I have to believe it's the right guy to be the QB for this iconic franchise."
I don't believe that's what he said - I think he said they haven't completed it yet.
Pretty clearly didn't just start the process here. Cmon.
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Gettleman on @WFAN660 "Defensively we have holes and that's what the draft is for."
Heard the same thing.
But then the subtle backpedal of still needing to evaluate the prospects.
"We signed him because he earned it and we turned around and looked at the club and realized he was an asset and moved one player for 3 players. We wont know for a few years how the trade will do."
Lil Wayne interview had nothing to do with it and ownership had nothing to do with it.
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Shouldn't they be, at this point in the offseason, concluding the evaluation process?
I don't believe that's what he said - I think he said they haven't completed it yet.
Pretty clearly didn't just start the process here. Cmon.
I'm with you on that - I hope you're right.
Sorry - at work and can't listen live. I appreciate you straightening me out on that one ;)
The draft is still a month away
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He sounds like he's planning on getting a QB in here this year.
Heard the same thing.
But then the subtle backpedal of still needing to evaluate the prospects.
That was about as much of an admission as I think we'll get - he won't come right out and say point blank "we're taking a QB"
Yep but in what Round?
Right now Im unconvinced we take one in the top 40.
DG seems to suggest this his decision in a vacuum...
Doesn't regret decision not to trade.
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Gettleman on @WFAN660 says he was "absolutely not" told by ownership to trade Odell.
DG seems to suggest this his decision in a vacuum...
Dude what? Was so obvious he was giving GM speak. Only time in the interview so far he has been short with Mike.
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He sounds like he's planning on getting a QB in here this year.
Heard the same thing.
But then the subtle backpedal of still needing to evaluate the prospects.
I look forward to the investment of a 5th round pick. Yea, that should shore it up. Im not listening, but if hes not basically done with the evaluation process hes a bigger fool than even I thought.
Jesus Christ.
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#Giants are "Very mindful" of getting third-round draft pick in 2020 for Landon Collins, Gettleman says. (So don't expect a big contract to be handed out which could negate that).
I wonder if this eludes to the center position...
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ownership did not mandate an OBJ trade.
DG seems to suggest this his decision in a vacuum...
Dude what? Was so obvious he was giving GM speak. Only time in the interview so far he has been short with Mike.
Im not passing judgement. Just trying to capture tenor of the answer.
Still like to hear the question...right?
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2m2 minutes ago
Gettleman on @WFAN660 on the o-line: "I'm always gonna look to upgrade... For Saquon to wind up with the stats he did, how bad was that group really?"
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Gettleman: Defensively, with what we've been able to do so far, I feel good so far. We're not finished. If you do this part of the year right, you set yourself up to take best player available in #NFLDraft. #giants
"If you reach, 99 times out of 100, its not going to work"
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Gettleman on @WFAN660 "Not only is this a heavy draft in the volume of talent, it's a heavy defensive draft. I really believe we can fix a lot and get a lot of things going."
Blamed it on Hernandez/rookie element.
Comfortable moving SS from slot to outside...
Guess the Analytics Dept was in that week... ; )
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Gettleman on @WFAN660 "Sterling played outside last year and did fine." Will work well together with Tate.
Also said Shepard/Tate can both work together in Shurmur's offense - but, I don't doubt that they'd still trade Shep. Gettleman isn't going to drop any hints on that here in this interview.
Guess the Analytics Dept was in that week... ; )
He was referring to Shepard on the outside not EE.
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out to him EE produces better without OBJ.
Guess the Analytics Dept was in that week... ; )
He was referring to Shepard on the outside not EE.
No - he was talking about the uptick in EE's production when OBJ wasn't on the field.
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out to him EE produces better without OBJ.
Guess the Analytics Dept was in that week... ; )
He was referring to Shepard on the outside not EE.
No, he was discussing Engram's production in games Beckham missed.
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out to him EE produces better without OBJ.
Guess the Analytics Dept was in that week... ; )
He was referring to Shepard on the outside not EE.
No. Im accurate - it was about EE production...
Oscar, I know nothing about you. But I would venture to say if your career ends up as successful as theirs, you will have done well for yourself
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Gettleman on @WFAN660 "In NY sports history, when was the last time a player of this magnitude was traded in his prime?"
He and host agree: Tom Seaver.
Its just a feeling that this thing isnt stitched together very well.
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Gettleman on @WFAN660 on when to pull the lever on a QB change with a rookie behind Eli: "Time will tell. I'd like to think I'll make the right decision."
This..
MF: Is it crazy to think the team can win this year?
DG: No! Why not?
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out to him EE produces better without OBJ.
Guess the Analytics Dept was in that week... ; )
He was referring to Shepard on the outside not EE.
No. Im accurate - it was about EE production...
Those were two separate pieces, SS to outside but that was not part of the increase in production without OBJ. That part was about EE's production.
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Gettleman on @WFAN660 on if 2019 is Eli's last year: "Who knows?"
Hey Mike, you want to loft some softballs up for DG to make us look better?
"This didn't decline over night"
Are you adding a young qb this year?
"probably"
Trust us
Its just a feeling that this thing isnt stitched together very well.
Eh, it just sounded more to me like he was monitoring himself and being careful not to be too forthcoming or telling about what their plans really are.
I really don't think they're just making shit up as they go.
We might not love what they do or agree with their plans - but I think assuming this is a bit of a reach.
If everything goes the right way ... probably
Should have talked about Lauletta and the idea of using the trade market for a QB.
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Gettleman on @WFAN660 on if Giants fans should expect a QB of the future to be brought in this year: "If everything works out, probably."
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That was quite a ride. In the first 10 minutes of that interview, I was convinced Gettleman was taking a QB this year. When Francesa went back and re-asked the same questions, I was convinced they aren't taking one.
You still need a contingency plan in case you can can't land Murray, and the KC model... but I get it a high draft pick that you sold the farm for should start day 1...
Tom Rock
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Gettleman on @WFAN660 "In NY sports history, when was the last time a player of this magnitude was traded in his prime?"
He and host agree: Tom Seaver.
This turned out well for the Mets.
Murray doesn't seem like the Giants type of pick, but even if he was, I feel like they would want him to sit behind Eli.
But you are the insider, not me
"This didn't decline over night"
Are you adding a young qb this year?
"probably"
That means to me we are trading for either Rosen if Murray is taken or Murray if the Cardinals pass on him. Which is why DG was really talking to San Fran. Seeing what it takes to get him to # 2
Eh, it just sounded more to me like he was monitoring himself and being careful not to be too forthcoming or telling about what their plans really are.
I really don't think they're just making shit up as they go.
We might not love what they do or agree with their plans - but I think assuming this is a bit of a reach.
Fair enough. To me, there was a sense of ad-libbing going on.
I actually keep thinking Josh Rosen is the "if things work out" comment. Now I am in the minority and am not a big fan of Rosen. I am skeptical that a team is willing to move on from him after one year and other things about his game I dislike.
You had said, Rosen is not likely to happen?
I will say this, the Giants need to play chicken with the Cardinals then. We are in the drivers seat. The only other team to worry about is Oakland as far as trading up for Murray. Let the Cardinals blink. I think if we stay where we are, we get the chance to draft either Murray (who I am not really a fan of but will see) or we get a defensive player falling to us.
Assuming Cards pass on Murray, then you have the 49ers, Jets, Raiders and Bucs who most likely will all pass on Murray. Teams who could try and move up- Miami, Jacksonville, Washington and maybe Cincinnati (but he doesn't seem like a QB for them).. I think we can hold the line at 6 and get Murray if we want.
Why would trading for Murray means he plays day 1? The Giants traded for Eli and he didn't play day 1.
He needs some work, and wouldn't be a threat to take over for Manning right away.
Tom Rock
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Gettleman on @WFAN660 on when to pull the lever on a QB change with a rookie behind Eli: "Time will tell. I'd like to think I'll make the right decision."
Wouldn't that be Shurmur's call?
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2m2 minutes ago
Gettleman on @WFAN660: "I'd be a real clown to not admit (we have to address QB future)... Obviously the ideal situation is you bring a young kid in and let him learn from the old pro."
so he'd be a real clown this year but not last? trading collins would send the wrong message, but snacks and apple didn't?
thanks for removing all doubt - he is a real deal first ballot hall of famer clown.
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Gettleman on @WFAN660: "I'd be a real clown to not admit (we have to address QB future)... Obviously the ideal situation is you bring a young kid in and let him learn from the old pro."
so he'd be a real clown this year but not last? trading collins would send the wrong message, but snacks and apple didn't?
thanks for removing all doubt - he is a real deal first ballot hall of famer clown.
DSear god, some of you need a fucking explanation on everything. Clearly the others were 100% locker room removals and Collins ended up being $$$$.. He was going to cost too much to keep around.
So not picking a QB and picking a QB is the wrong thing to do. Ok got it.
Gettleman may suck, but he's not a "bow to public pressure" guy. Beckham trade proved that beyond question.
Hell if we trade up to #1 it better be for Bosa!
Very confusing interview regarding the QB position and how it relates to this draft. You can make a case for each end of the spectrum based on what he said to Mike.
Disagree - it seems pretty clear to me he wants the QB this year.
It's not clear when he will take one. But he's going to take one if the "right" guy is there.
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If Murray was in play Eli wouldn't be back. Again, and I know this for a Fact, eli will be the QB as long as Giants are alive in playoff race. If you trade for Murray he plays from day 1. There's no evidence the Giants will break an agreement w eli.
Why would trading for Murray means he plays day 1? The Giants traded for Eli and he didn't play day 1.
Neither did Mahomes and KC gave up a future 1st to do so in a trade up.
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IMO its looking more and more like 2020.
Very confusing interview regarding the QB position and how it relates to this draft. You can make a case for each end of the spectrum based on what he said to Mike.
Which is the way we should prefer it.
If you think its a reach when he picks anyone, he reached. I don't expect he will reach from his board, not in rounds 1 through 4/5. I'm guessing he does in fact stick to his board.
No, when have they done that recently?
Giants reportedly like Haskins - spend extra time with him - interviews very well......then we hear the mobility is a concern?
I thought the timing of the pessimism was too calculated. Almost like they wanted to put out a conflicting view on him.
My gut says Haskins at 6 rn.
In their rush to pile in, they forget the positions they just took in order to rush another attack out.
Forrest Gump was right- stupid is as stupid does.
I just can't bring myself to fully rule out Haskins, despite the recent reports to the contrary, due to his character. If the Giants believe Haskins' flaws are correctable, he comes across as exactly the type of guy a franchise looking to "change the culture" would want.
I'm not saying I want Haskins, necessarily. I can just see the Giants brass falling in love with his character.
yeah he sure had us guessing last year with Barkley...
Dave Brown part deux
3 of the 4 QBs in top 10 last year started on bench so why would Kyler have to play from day 1?
If the Giants believed any of what they said today this wouldnt be a problem.
What you really mean is that Kyler Murrsy is so far superior to Eli Manning that it will be obvious from day 1 and they would be forced to play him and admit their mistake so they will never put themselves in that position
It's not clear when he will take one. But he's going to take one if the "right" guy is there.
True, and I find it hard to believe he'll take a QB or other that doesn't have a grade for that slot/round. A guy in DG's position doesn't project he relies on his board if that's not true. Forget the fans and the media, he'd lose all credibility with his staff and ownership.
It seems like half the posters here have forgotten what a real GM does- lie and posture so other teams have no idea who they are going to pick until the card hits the commissioner's hand.
Remember all the wailing and crying her over how other teams predicted what the Giants were going to do and jumping ahead of them to grab those players? Now that you have a GM who is blatantly spinning and lying to hide their intentions, suddenly this is a bad thing?
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And thank God he's got everyone guessing instead of the past regime who let everyone know what their cards werew
yeah he sure had us guessing last year with Barkley...
That one caught everyone off guard..everyone never thought the giants had their sights on barkley
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Big body, big arm, seems well-suited for windy MetLife. Are the Giants smoke screening?
It seems like half the posters here have forgotten what a real GM does- lie and posture so other teams have no idea who they are going to pick until the card hits the commissioner's hand.
Remember all the wailing and crying her over how other teams predicted what the Giants were going to do and jumping ahead of them to grab those players? Now that you have a GM who is blatantly spinning and lying to hide their intentions, suddenly this is a bad thing?
So according to jt it's not Rosen and its not Murray.... hmmmm who does that leave?
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If Murray was in play Eli wouldn't be back. Again, and I know this for a Fact, eli will be the QB as long as Giants are alive in playoff race. If you trade for Murray he plays from day 1. There's no evidence the Giants will break an agreement w eli.
3 of the 4 QBs in top 10 last year started on bench so why would Kyler have to play from day 1?
If the Giants believed any of what they said today this wouldnt be a problem.
What you really mean is that Kyler Murrsy is so far superior to Eli Manning that it will be obvious from day 1 and they would be forced to play him and admit their mistake so they will never put themselves in that position
You are trying too hard to find something he isn't saying.
The answer is obvious people. Eli and Murray are so different that Murray would have nothing to learn from Eli because Eli's game doesn't translate to what Murray does. MAYBE Eli could help him with pre-snap reads, but that's about it.
I don't like this idea. Stop wasting picks on mediocre QB options. Just go all defense and worry about QB next year.
But DG will probably justify it by saying we are trying to win this year so we won't be bad enough to get the top QB's.
I just hate 2nd or 3rd round QB's...they rarely work out and they usually are a wasted pick when you can get a starting calibre player on defense with this day 2 pick.
For instance: maybe he likes Murray but if Murray is going #1 there's not much he can do about that. IDK I made that up but it was just the sense I got.
Ultimately, if the Giants draft a guy, they should look at him as if he's the QB of the future. I'm not interested in a guy if he's a "value" pick. Meaning, if you think Murray, Haskins, Lock or (God forbid) Jones is the QB of the future. Get him. But don't take a guy like Lock or Jones if he slips to 17 or even 2nd round if you aren't sold on him but because the value is there.
However, if we all play this out, and I've said this for a few weeks, looking ahead, the Giants almost have to take a QB. If they don't, they will be bent over to trade for Fromm, Tua, or Herbert. Unless the Giants are going with the thought that they load up on their picks this year and fill out so much of the roster that they are willing to gut their 2020 draft to get a QB because they landed so many picks in 2019. A risky play. If that's the plan, I'm not feeling so good...
However, if we all play this out, and I've said this for a few weeks, looking ahead, the Giants almost have to take a QB. If they don't, they will be bent over to trade for Fromm, Tua, or Herbert. Unless the Giants are going with the thought that they load up on their picks this year and fill out so much of the roster that they are willing to gut their 2020 draft to get a QB because they landed so many picks in 2019. A risky play. If that's the plan, I'm not feeling so good...
Unless as DG says he goes year by year. If they feel Eli can still play, they will extend him. That's a real possibility here.
I do believe he has a plan
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Big body, big arm, seems well-suited for windy MetLife. Are the Giants smoke screening?
It seems like half the posters here have forgotten what a real GM does- lie and posture so other teams have no idea who they are going to pick until the card hits the commissioner's hand.
Remember all the wailing and crying her over how other teams predicted what the Giants were going to do and jumping ahead of them to grab those players? Now that you have a GM who is blatantly spinning and lying to hide their intentions, suddenly this is a bad thing?
remember last year when he telegraphed Saquon?
Again, it was a conference call.
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He sounds like he's planning on getting a QB in here this year.
Heard the same thing.
But then the subtle backpedal of still needing to evaluate the prospects.
If we're reading into an interview it's the obvious in that they'll take a QB if they like one. At this point, I think QB at 17 is more likely than 6.
Perhaps I have forgotten; wasn't Collins the QB when Eli was drafted and Collins wanted out because they went up to get Eli? Didn't they release Collins and sign Warner?
It's not clear when he will take one. But he's going to take one if the "right" guy is there.
Which is precisely why he won't trade for Rosen, if for just a mid round pick.
Rosen wasn't the guy last year, and he's not the guy this year either.
Why can't we draft Murray and have him sit? That makes no sense
I love Eli, but jeez... this is ridiculous. The team is bound by "agreements" as opposed to what's best for the franchise? In addition, I don't see how drafting Murray would preclude them from letting him sit on the bench for a while.
I know I keep saying this over and over, but this gives me absolutely zero confidence in the people running the show here.
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And thank God he's got everyone guessing instead of the past regime who let everyone know what their cards werew
yeah he sure had us guessing last year with Barkley...
So who are they picking with the 6th this year if he's so readable?
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Big body, big arm, seems well-suited for windy MetLife. Are the Giants smoke screening?
No, when have they done that recently?
jonc, have you heard any rumblings on how they feel about him off the field? i.e. work ethic, commitment to staying healthy etc. i know there were some concerns about him showing up to the combine out of shape.
2. Matt. I could be wrong. The only thing I know is Eli WAS told if he returned he'd be the starter as long as they were alive in playoff race. How can that happen if they take kyler that high? That's why I don't see qb at 6
2. How do they feel about Lauletta? Lost cause?
Thanks for all the info this offseason.
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In comment 14345916 montanagiant said:
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And thank God he's got everyone guessing instead of the past regime who let everyone know what their cards werew
yeah he sure had us guessing last year with Barkley...
So who are they picking with the 6th this year if he's so readable?
edge rusher
I remember BBIers guessing right up to the moment before the Barkley pick that it could be Barkley, it could be Chubb, it could be a trade-down with Denver, it could be a QB.
So, no, I don't remember when Gettleman telegraphed the Barkley pick beforehand last year.
The QB comments are similar to those for OBJ. Didnt sign him to trade him. Which is correct but trading him became the best course of action. Same here, if theres a guy he likes, hell make it happen. Just hoping its not Haskins or Jones.
Does that auto-renewal each subsequent year? ;)
I am not impressed with this guy as too many of his "moves" are inconsistent with each other, but I do not think he is an idiot. He drafted well last year--other than Lauletta. He jettisoned an aging malcontent DL for a draft choice and an overrated CB for a draft choice. Then he gives away Collins for nothing, trades OBJ for a mediocre package and takes much of his savings from that deal and invests in a guaranteed contract for a much older wide receiver with considerably less upside. He talks big and does not give a damn what others think about him. Perfect stereotypical New Yorker--old school. Makes Mara very happy to have one around again. Not great, not horrible just middle of the road. The man with the plan, but the plan keeps changing.
2. Matt. I could be wrong. The only thing I know is Eli WAS told if he returned he'd be the starter as long as they were alive in playoff race. How can that happen if they take kyler that high? That's why I don't see qb at 6
If they're worrying about who they draft, because they told Eli he'd be the starter after winning 8 games the previous two seasons there is a huge problem with this organization.
A high pick doesn't have to start his first year. Mahomes played 1 game his rookie season.
I can see them drafting Murray and then dealing risen if the deal was better.
Seems familiar.
2. Matt. I could be wrong. The only thing I know is Eli WAS told if he returned he'd be the starter as long as they were alive in playoff race. How can that happen if they take kyler that high? That's why I don't see qb at 6
What do you mean, how can that happen? Hypothetically, Eli can start. The Giants will be eliminated from the playoffs by at least week 10-12. Then you bring in Murray.
Goff(1st), Mayfield(1st), Trubiski(#2), Watson(#12), Mahomes(#10), Allen(#7), Rosen(#10)... All in the last 3 years... All didn't start the season as starter.
I can see them drafting Murray and then dealing risen if the deal was better.
Seems familiar.
I no longer believe they are allowed to do that. I thought they made some rule change after Lei and Rivers.
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In comment 14345760 Eric from BBI said:
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Tom Rock
Verified account @TomRock_Newsday
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Gettleman on @WFAN660: "I'd be a real clown to not admit (we have to address QB future)... Obviously the ideal situation is you bring a young kid in and let him learn from the old pro."
so he'd be a real clown this year but not last? trading collins would send the wrong message, but snacks and apple didn't?
thanks for removing all doubt - he is a real deal first ballot hall of famer clown.
DSear god, some of you need a fucking explanation on everything. Clearly the others were 100% locker room removals and Collins ended up being $$$$.. He was going to cost too much to keep around.
So they didn't know he was going to be expensive before the week 8 trade deadline? They were utterly shocked? Then at best it's an incompetent moment for the front office.
That explanation doesn't fly.
His words.... I know, KNOW, Giants were offered
more from other teams for OBJ
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This is totally a game of chicken between the cards and the test of the league. I can totally see the cards drafting Murray 1 overall then trading Murray to the Giants for a deal.
I can see them drafting Murray and then dealing risen if the deal was better.
Seems familiar.
I no longer believe they are allowed to do that. I thought they made some rule change after Lei and Rivers.
Did they? I don't remember.
This is my gut feeling as well. Just seems like it all is pointing to Jones. The young guy for Eli to mentor while hes still here. Also, i think the mobility aspect is important to Shurmur. Thats why, more than anything, I think Rosen and Haskins arent really being considered. I would prefer they wait for 2020.
His words.... I know, KNOW, Giants were offered
more from other teams for OBJ
I wonder if he got them from their medical records. Whats his rationale on why we didnt take a better deal?
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and cross checking comments between them, I believe we are picking Jones or Lock (whoever is there) with either the #17 or the #38 pick (or whatever the 1st pick is in Rd 2).
This is my gut feeling as well. Just seems like it all is pointing to Jones. The young guy for Eli to mentor while hes still here. Also, i think the mobility aspect is important to Shurmur. Thats why, more than anything, I think Rosen and Haskins arent really being considered. I would prefer they wait for 2020.
What's signs? There have been no signs.
And who knows what to believe.
But I do find it interesting how DG and others
are saying how important it was to get Peppers
Maybe better picks were offered.
The fans literally pay their bills
His words.... I know, KNOW, Giants were offered
more from other teams for OBJ
He's probably referring to the deal mentioned with the Niners in SI which was 34, Buckner and next years 1. They're close and I would probably lean towards the Niners but I don't have an issue making sure he's out of conference if the value is negligible.
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In comment 14345886 V.I.G. said:
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In comment 14345760 Eric from BBI said:
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Tom Rock
Verified account @TomRock_Newsday
2m2 minutes ago
Gettleman on @WFAN660: "I'd be a real clown to not admit (we have to address QB future)... Obviously the ideal situation is you bring a young kid in and let him learn from the old pro."
so he'd be a real clown this year but not last? trading collins would send the wrong message, but snacks and apple didn't?
thanks for removing all doubt - he is a real deal first ballot hall of famer clown.
DSear god, some of you need a fucking explanation on everything. Clearly the others were 100% locker room removals and Collins ended up being $$$$.. He was going to cost too much to keep around.
So they didn't know he was going to be expensive before the week 8 trade deadline? They were utterly shocked? Then at best it's an incompetent moment for the front office.
That explanation doesn't fly.
Sure it does when you take into account the shoulder injury and his abysmal coverage in his last few games prior to the injury
Schefter did say teams however
If the niners offer was this years 2nd, Buckner and next
years 1st then I dont think its close. Thats by far
a better offer IMO.
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In comment 14345889 jvm52106 said:
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In comment 14345886 V.I.G. said:
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In comment 14345760 Eric from BBI said:
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Tom Rock
Verified account @TomRock_Newsday
2m2 minutes ago
Gettleman on @WFAN660: "I'd be a real clown to not admit (we have to address QB future)... Obviously the ideal situation is you bring a young kid in and let him learn from the old pro."
so he'd be a real clown this year but not last? trading collins would send the wrong message, but snacks and apple didn't?
thanks for removing all doubt - he is a real deal first ballot hall of famer clown.
DSear god, some of you need a fucking explanation on everything. Clearly the others were 100% locker room removals and Collins ended up being $$$$.. He was going to cost too much to keep around.
So they didn't know he was going to be expensive before the week 8 trade deadline? They were utterly shocked? Then at best it's an incompetent moment for the front office.
That explanation doesn't fly.
Sure it does when you take into account the shoulder injury and his abysmal coverage in his last few games prior to the injury
AND we are talking about the Skins who just gave Eric Flowers a 1 year $4M contract.
They probably figured they were in play for around 9-11M, then the injury happened and that lowered his worth so they figured let him shop around and when no one would give him what he wanted they could resign him to something reasonable. Skins went stupid and overpaid him. Happens all the time in the NFL case in point some of our own FA signings the past few years
Rosen wasn't the guy last year, and he's not the guy this year either.
Hold on a minute...
Rosen was not the guy when we were sitting with the #2 pick. However, if he was still sitting there in the 3rd round we may have selected him.
What if they have that conviction on Jarrett Stidham or Will Grier?
Probably the better player but yeah, the cost, especially since we can take a top ER at 6 whod be cost controlled makes it very close.
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1. Two steps. Your an idiot. That's not what I said. Don't put words in my mouth that aren't true. Any logical person knows any qb taken at 6 has to play this year. It's the way the league works.
2. Matt. I could be wrong. The only thing I know is Eli WAS told if he returned he'd be the starter as long as they were alive in playoff race. How can that happen if they take kyler that high? That's why I don't see qb at 6
If they're worrying about who they draft, because they told Eli he'd be the starter after winning 8 games the previous two seasons there is a huge problem with this organization.
A high pick doesn't have to start his first year. Mahomes played 1 game his rookie season.
There is a huge problem with this organization. Our idiot GM literally didnt pick up the phone to see if someone would trump the Browns offer for OBJ, because you lose leverage if you call. Of course, he called his buddy on the Bills.
This organization is Eli blind and has no direction.
2. Matt. I could be wrong. The only thing I know is Eli WAS told if he returned he'd be the starter as long as they were alive in playoff race. How can that happen if they take kyler that high? That's why I don't see qb at 6
You can take a QB #1 and have him sit a year to learn. Giants intended to do that and would have done that if they felt Kurt wasnt still struggling with the offense at 5-4.
2. Matt. I could be wrong. The only thing I know is Eli WAS told if he returned he'd be the starter as long as they were alive in playoff race. How can that happen if they take kyler that high? That's why I don't see qb at 6
Is there some super special rule about the 6 pick only because of QBs selected top 10 in the last 3 years
1- Baker Mayfield didnt start until week 4
2 Sam Darnold wasnt intended to be start but beat out both Bridgewater and McCown who were both signed as FAs to start and mentor him
3- Josh Allen wasnt supposed to start but McCarron got injured.
4- Rosen didnt start until week 4
5- Mitch Trubisky didnt start until week 5
6- Pat Mahomes didnt start until week 17
7- Jared Goff didnt start until week 5
8- Carson Wentz wasnt supposed to start but beat out Bradford and they traded him before week 1
That and the Giants had said they liked the Kansas City model which is see example 6.
Not one of those teams got rid of their veteran QB to make way for the high rookie pick before the Draft or even immediately after and 5 of them actually acquired veteran QBs to start the season knowing they were drafting a rookie QB high
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In comment 14345922 TommyWiseau said:
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In comment 14345916 montanagiant said:
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And thank God he's got everyone guessing instead of the past regime who let everyone know what their cards werew
yeah he sure had us guessing last year with Barkley...
So who are they picking with the 6th this year if he's so readable?
edge rusher
Can I just say that I hate the term "edge rusher"? It's such a contrived, repackaged term. 15-20 years ago, they were called "tweeners". The best "tweener" I remember from the 90s forward was Simeon Rice--who the Giants missed on and ended up with Cedric Jones. Anyway, now they're called "edge rushers." Can we just call them what they are--"DE/OLBs"?
2. Matt. I could be wrong. The only thing I know is Eli WAS told if he returned he'd be the starter as long as they were alive in playoff race. How can that happen if they take kyler that high? That's why I don't see qb at 6 [/quote]
And if you want to pass yourself off as an Asshat you should learn to distinguish between information that you know is verifiably coming from the Giants and what information you are adding your own assessment to.
Terps,
I know the feeling. I did that in the fall when i thought he could be the guy (just has GIANTS written all over him)...you will likely be disappointed. Youll find that you will try and convince yourself he is good and think it is the lack of surrounding talent. Ask yourself this..when was the last time a QB with as poor as statistics as he has turned into something in the NFL. I know college statistics arent everything, but there is a threshold. Good statistics do not mean good NFL QB...but dad college statistics...tough to find any good NFL QBs.
Schefter did say teams however
If the niners offer was this years 2nd, Buckner and next
years 1st then I dont think its close. Thats by far
a better offer IMO.
That is total bullshit. Never is next years #1 better than this years #1 especially when #1 this year is the 2nd pick and the 49ers will probably win between 7-9 games so pick about #15. You get the player this year, not next year.
Some of you make crap up to fill your agenda. And there is no way that Gettleman doesn't take the best trade. You don't think whatever team wouldn't leak that they offered x,y and z for OBJ if it was truly a better return for the Giants.
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has to do this. The Giants need to stop worrying about what the fans think with regards to the roster and the moves they make. Put a winning team on the field and no one will be worrying about the Giants trading Odell Beckham.
The fans literally pay their bills
Buckner the superior player to Peppers, IMO
As far as the picks are concerned, you may have
a point this years first better than niners 1st round pick
next year but niners 2nd round pick this year(34) a hell of a lot
Better than Browns 3rd round pick.
And relax would ya
The #34 pick this year probably isn't far off in value from a garden variety future 1st since you get it this year. But the 49ers 2020 pick isn't garden variety since they haven't been competitive since Harbough left. That pick is an excellent bet to be in the first half of the round if not top 10. Both of those assets are probably more valuable than Peppers. And exponentially more valuable than a late 3rd.
Me too
2. Matt. I could be wrong. The only thing I know is Eli WAS told if he returned he'd be the starter as long as they were alive in playoff race. How can that happen if they take kyler that high? That's why I don't see qb at 6
And if you want to pass yourself off as an Asshat you should learn to distinguish between information that you know is verifiably coming from the Giants and what information you are adding your own assessment to. [/quote]
"pass yourself off as an asshat"
Why be such an ass? He's been nice enough to post the info he has heard all offseason.
2. Matt. I could be wrong. The only thing I know is Eli WAS told if he returned he'd be the starter as long as they were alive in playoff race. How can that happen if they take kyler that high? That's why I don't see qb at 6
And if you want to pass yourself off as an Asshat you should learn to distinguish between information that you know is verifiably coming from the Giants and what information you are adding your own assessment to. [/quote]
Here's a suggestion, why don't stop following him around on his threads so they rest of us can enjoy the info he does give out.
Why does there always have to be one person on BBI that desires to run off any other poster giving us info?
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2. Matt. I could be wrong. The only thing I know is Eli WAS told if he returned he'd be the starter as long as they were alive in playoff race. How can that happen if they take kyler that high? That's why I don't see qb at 6
And if you want to pass yourself off as an Asshat you should learn to distinguish between information that you know is verifiably coming from the Giants and what information you are adding your own assessment to.
"pass yourself off as an asshat"
Why be such an ass? He's been nice enough to post the info he has heard all offseason. [/quote]
Maybe its because Mr Nice Enough called me an idiot for no apparent reason? And this is not a one time occurrence?
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2. Matt. I could be wrong. The only thing I know is Eli WAS told if he returned he'd be the starter as long as they were alive in playoff race. How can that happen if they take kyler that high? That's why I don't see qb at 6
And if you want to pass yourself off as an Asshat you should learn to distinguish between information that you know is verifiably coming from the Giants and what information you are adding your own assessment to.
Here's a suggestion, why don't stop following him around on his threads so they rest of us can enjoy the info he does give out.
Why does there always have to be one person on BBI that desires to run off any other poster giving us info? [/quote]
Ive been following him around? Thats news to me. This is first time ive engaged him since before last years draft.