Very confusing interview regarding the QB position and how it relates to this draft. You can make a case for each end of the spectrum based on what he said to Mike.
If Murray was in play Eli wouldn't be back. Again, and I know this for a Fact, eli will be the QB as long as Giants are alive in playoff race. If you trade for Murray he plays from day 1. There's no evidence the Giants will break an agreement w eli.
Why would trading for Murray means he plays day 1? The Giants traded for Eli and he didn't play day 1.
Neither did Mahomes and KC gave up a future 1st to do so in a trade up.
Very confusing interview regarding the QB position and how it relates to this draft. You can make a case for each end of the spectrum based on what he said to Mike.
And reach for some qb with pick 17 or take the ultra unlikeable Rosen. That interview inspired no confidence.
If you think its a reach when he picks anyone, he reached. I don't expect he will reach from his board, not in rounds 1 through 4/5. I'm guessing he does in fact stick to his board.
They are SO invested in their absolute hatred of the Giants Front Office that they cannot even keep their positions straight. They think they are striking mighty blows in the court of public opinion with their comments- but it comes across as a bunch of clowns trying to pack themselves into a Yugo trying to one-up each other.
In their rush to pile in, they forget the positions they just took in order to rush another attack out.
Big body, big arm, seems well-suited for windy MetLife. Are the Giants smoke screening?
I just can't bring myself to fully rule out Haskins, despite the recent reports to the contrary, due to his character. If the Giants believe Haskins' flaws are correctable, he comes across as exactly the type of guy a franchise looking to "change the culture" would want.
I'm not saying I want Haskins, necessarily. I can just see the Giants brass falling in love with his character.
If Murray was in play Eli wouldn't be back. Again, and I know this for a Fact, eli will be the QB as long as Giants are alive in playoff race. If you trade for Murray he plays from day 1. There's no evidence the Giants will break an agreement w eli.
3 of the 4 QBs in top 10 last year started on bench so why would Kyler have to play from day 1?
If the Giants believed any of what they said today this wouldnt be a problem.
What you really mean is that Kyler Murrsy is so far superior to Eli Manning that it will be obvious from day 1 and they would be forced to play him and admit their mistake so they will never put themselves in that position
It's not clear when he will take one. But he's going to take one if the "right" guy is there.
True, and I find it hard to believe he'll take a QB or other that doesn't have a grade for that slot/round. A guy in DG's position doesn't project he relies on his board if that's not true. Forget the fans and the media, he'd lose all credibility with his staff and ownership.
Big body, big arm, seems well-suited for windy MetLife. Are the Giants smoke screening?
It seems like half the posters here have forgotten what a real GM does- lie and posture so other teams have no idea who they are going to pick until the card hits the commissioner's hand.
Remember all the wailing and crying her over how other teams predicted what the Giants were going to do and jumping ahead of them to grab those players? Now that you have a GM who is blatantly spinning and lying to hide their intentions, suddenly this is a bad thing?
Big body, big arm, seems well-suited for windy MetLife. Are the Giants smoke screening?
It seems like half the posters here have forgotten what a real GM does- lie and posture so other teams have no idea who they are going to pick until the card hits the commissioner's hand.
Remember all the wailing and crying her over how other teams predicted what the Giants were going to do and jumping ahead of them to grab those players? Now that you have a GM who is blatantly spinning and lying to hide their intentions, suddenly this is a bad thing?
So according to jt it's not Rosen and its not Murray.... hmmmm who does that leave?
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If you want a qb u give whatever it takes to get Murray. I hate the build he has but it’s the way the nfl is trending with athleticism at the qb position. The rules favor qb protection and he would absolutely maximize Saquons talents from the qb position.
If Murray was in play Eli wouldn't be back. Again, and I know this for a Fact, eli will be the QB as long as Giants are alive in playoff race. If you trade for Murray he plays from day 1. There's no evidence the Giants will break an agreement w eli.
3 of the 4 QBs in top 10 last year started on bench so why would Kyler have to play from day 1?
If the Giants believed any of what they said today this wouldnt be a problem.
What you really mean is that Kyler Murrsy is so far superior to Eli Manning that it will be obvious from day 1 and they would be forced to play him and admit their mistake so they will never put themselves in that position
You are trying too hard to find something he isn't saying.
The answer is obvious people. Eli and Murray are so different that Murray would have nothing to learn from Eli because Eli's game doesn't translate to what Murray does. MAYBE Eli could help him with pre-snap reads, but that's about it.
it seems like #6 and #17 or some version of that will be on defense. And if one of the QB's they like (say Daniel Jones or Lock) slips into the second round or late first they may move up from #37 to get them.
I don't like this idea. Stop wasting picks on mediocre QB options. Just go all defense and worry about QB next year.
But DG will probably justify it by saying we are trying to win this year so we won't be bad enough to get the top QB's.
I just hate 2nd or 3rd round QB's...they rarely work out and they usually are a wasted pick when you can get a starting calibre player on defense with this day 2 pick.
Honestly, when I hear he would "like to" draft a QB Â
that tells me that there may be a QB (or more than one) he likes, but the question is will he be available at #6 or is he not worth the value of #6. DG seems very pragmatic and seems to go by what the value is at the pick, he doesn't feel forced to DEFINITELY take a QB in 2019 if said QB would either not be worth the #6 pick or not be worth the trade required to move up and get the guy you like.
For instance: maybe he likes Murray but if Murray is going #1 there's not much he can do about that. IDK I made that up but it was just the sense I got.
He knows he needs a QB sooner rather than later, especially if he wants him to sit behind Eli. He’s doing this one step at a time, don’t believe everything that comes out of his mouth. He’s a schmoozer. His plan is pretty obvious actually. Rebalance the $ allocation giving preference to the lines. Plug holes as best he can in the short run so they can be more competitive. Develop young players to push those stop gap vets off the roster. Use Eli in the short run for stability, ( he cited his cost vs the league vs other options). Get a young guy in to push Eli off the roster. Since most of the young guys will come from the draft, he needs REALLY good drafts this year and next.
the one thing about Murray. I have trust in your take on the situation, but Mayfield didn't start last year. He sat behind Taylor for a couple of weeks until he took over in the Jets game. If the Giants by some miracle land Murray, I'd say it would be the same thing, only odds are Eli would hold down the starting job unless he gets hurt or the Giants fall out of the race like they have the past few years.
Ultimately, if the Giants draft a guy, they should look at him as if he's the QB of the future. I'm not interested in a guy if he's a "value" pick. Meaning, if you think Murray, Haskins, Lock or (God forbid) Jones is the QB of the future. Get him. But don't take a guy like Lock or Jones if he slips to 17 or even 2nd round if you aren't sold on him but because the value is there.
However, if we all play this out, and I've said this for a few weeks, looking ahead, the Giants almost have to take a QB. If they don't, they will be bent over to trade for Fromm, Tua, or Herbert. Unless the Giants are going with the thought that they load up on their picks this year and fill out so much of the roster that they are willing to gut their 2020 draft to get a QB because they landed so many picks in 2019. A risky play. If that's the plan, I'm not feeling so good...
However, if we all play this out, and I've said this for a few weeks, looking ahead, the Giants almost have to take a QB. If they don't, they will be bent over to trade for Fromm, Tua, or Herbert. Unless the Giants are going with the thought that they load up on their picks this year and fill out so much of the roster that they are willing to gut their 2020 draft to get a QB because they landed so many picks in 2019. A risky play. If that's the plan, I'm not feeling so good...
Unless as DG says he goes year by year. If they feel Eli can still play, they will extend him. That's a real possibility here.
Big body, big arm, seems well-suited for windy MetLife. Are the Giants smoke screening?
It seems like half the posters here have forgotten what a real GM does- lie and posture so other teams have no idea who they are going to pick until the card hits the commissioner's hand.
Remember all the wailing and crying her over how other teams predicted what the Giants were going to do and jumping ahead of them to grab those players? Now that you have a GM who is blatantly spinning and lying to hide their intentions, suddenly this is a bad thing?
Is to have the rookie watch him work and see how he handles himself as a professional. I'm not sure how style of play is relevant with that strategy and Murray is any different from the other QBs.
If we're reading into an interview it's the obvious in that they'll take a QB if they like one. At this point, I think QB at 17 is more likely than 6.
Perhaps I have forgotten; wasn't Collins the QB when Eli was drafted and Collins wanted out because they went up to get Eli? Didn't they release Collins and sign Warner?
If Murray was in play Eli wouldn't be back. Again, and I know this for a Fact, eli will be the QB as long as Giants are alive in playoff race. If you trade for Murray he plays from day 1. There's no evidence the Giants will break an agreement w eli.
Why can't we draft Murray and have him sit? That makes no sense
If Murray was in play Eli wouldn't be back. Again, and I know this for a Fact, eli will be the QB as long as Giants are alive in playoff race. If you trade for Murray he plays from day 1. There's no evidence the Giants will break an agreement w eli.
I love Eli, but jeez... this is ridiculous. The team is bound by "agreements" as opposed to what's best for the franchise? In addition, I don't see how drafting Murray would preclude them from letting him sit on the bench for a while.
I know I keep saying this over and over, but this gives me absolutely zero confidence in the people running the show here.
Big body, big arm, seems well-suited for windy MetLife. Are the Giants smoke screening?
No, when have they done that recently?
jonc, have you heard any rumblings on how they feel about him off the field? i.e. work ethic, commitment to staying healthy etc. i know there were some concerns about him showing up to the combine out of shape.
1. Two steps. Your an idiot. That's not what I said. Don't put words in my mouth that aren't true. Any logical person knows any qb taken at 6 has to play this year. It's the way the league works.
2. Matt. I could be wrong. The only thing I know is Eli WAS told if he returned he'd be the starter as long as they were alive in playoff race. How can that happen if they take kyler that high? That's why I don't see qb at 6
I remember BBIers guessing right up to the moment before the Barkley pick that it could be Barkley, it could be Chubb, it could be a trade-down with Denver, it could be a QB.
So, no, I don't remember when Gettleman telegraphed the Barkley pick beforehand last year.
Gettleman may suck, but he's not a "bow to public pressure" guy. Beckham trade proved that beyond question.
Hell if we trade up to #1 it better be for Bosa!
Very confusing interview regarding the QB position and how it relates to this draft. You can make a case for each end of the spectrum based on what he said to Mike.
Disagree - it seems pretty clear to me he wants the QB this year.
It's not clear when he will take one. But he's going to take one if the "right" guy is there.
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If Murray was in play Eli wouldn't be back. Again, and I know this for a Fact, eli will be the QB as long as Giants are alive in playoff race. If you trade for Murray he plays from day 1. There's no evidence the Giants will break an agreement w eli.
Why would trading for Murray means he plays day 1? The Giants traded for Eli and he didn't play day 1.
Neither did Mahomes and KC gave up a future 1st to do so in a trade up.
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IMO its looking more and more like 2020.
Very confusing interview regarding the QB position and how it relates to this draft. You can make a case for each end of the spectrum based on what he said to Mike.
Which is the way we should prefer it.
If you think its a reach when he picks anyone, he reached. I don't expect he will reach from his board, not in rounds 1 through 4/5. I'm guessing he does in fact stick to his board.
No, when have they done that recently?
Giants reportedly like Haskins - spend extra time with him - interviews very well......then we hear the mobility is a concern?
I thought the timing of the pessimism was too calculated. Almost like they wanted to put out a conflicting view on him.
My gut says Haskins at 6 rn.
In their rush to pile in, they forget the positions they just took in order to rush another attack out.
Forrest Gump was right- stupid is as stupid does.
I just can't bring myself to fully rule out Haskins, despite the recent reports to the contrary, due to his character. If the Giants believe Haskins' flaws are correctable, he comes across as exactly the type of guy a franchise looking to "change the culture" would want.
I'm not saying I want Haskins, necessarily. I can just see the Giants brass falling in love with his character.
yeah he sure had us guessing last year with Barkley...
Dave Brown part deux
3 of the 4 QBs in top 10 last year started on bench so why would Kyler have to play from day 1?
If the Giants believed any of what they said today this wouldnt be a problem.
What you really mean is that Kyler Murrsy is so far superior to Eli Manning that it will be obvious from day 1 and they would be forced to play him and admit their mistake so they will never put themselves in that position
It's not clear when he will take one. But he's going to take one if the "right" guy is there.
True, and I find it hard to believe he'll take a QB or other that doesn't have a grade for that slot/round. A guy in DG's position doesn't project he relies on his board if that's not true. Forget the fans and the media, he'd lose all credibility with his staff and ownership.
It seems like half the posters here have forgotten what a real GM does- lie and posture so other teams have no idea who they are going to pick until the card hits the commissioner's hand.
Remember all the wailing and crying her over how other teams predicted what the Giants were going to do and jumping ahead of them to grab those players? Now that you have a GM who is blatantly spinning and lying to hide their intentions, suddenly this is a bad thing?
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And thank God he's got everyone guessing instead of the past regime who let everyone know what their cards werew
yeah he sure had us guessing last year with Barkley...
That one caught everyone off guard..everyone never thought the giants had their sights on barkley
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Big body, big arm, seems well-suited for windy MetLife. Are the Giants smoke screening?
It seems like half the posters here have forgotten what a real GM does- lie and posture so other teams have no idea who they are going to pick until the card hits the commissioner's hand.
Remember all the wailing and crying her over how other teams predicted what the Giants were going to do and jumping ahead of them to grab those players? Now that you have a GM who is blatantly spinning and lying to hide their intentions, suddenly this is a bad thing?
So according to jt it's not Rosen and its not Murray.... hmmmm who does that leave?
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If Murray was in play Eli wouldn't be back. Again, and I know this for a Fact, eli will be the QB as long as Giants are alive in playoff race. If you trade for Murray he plays from day 1. There's no evidence the Giants will break an agreement w eli.
3 of the 4 QBs in top 10 last year started on bench so why would Kyler have to play from day 1?
If the Giants believed any of what they said today this wouldnt be a problem.
What you really mean is that Kyler Murrsy is so far superior to Eli Manning that it will be obvious from day 1 and they would be forced to play him and admit their mistake so they will never put themselves in that position
You are trying too hard to find something he isn't saying.
The answer is obvious people. Eli and Murray are so different that Murray would have nothing to learn from Eli because Eli's game doesn't translate to what Murray does. MAYBE Eli could help him with pre-snap reads, but that's about it.
I don't like this idea. Stop wasting picks on mediocre QB options. Just go all defense and worry about QB next year.
But DG will probably justify it by saying we are trying to win this year so we won't be bad enough to get the top QB's.
I just hate 2nd or 3rd round QB's...they rarely work out and they usually are a wasted pick when you can get a starting calibre player on defense with this day 2 pick.
For instance: maybe he likes Murray but if Murray is going #1 there's not much he can do about that. IDK I made that up but it was just the sense I got.
Ultimately, if the Giants draft a guy, they should look at him as if he's the QB of the future. I'm not interested in a guy if he's a "value" pick. Meaning, if you think Murray, Haskins, Lock or (God forbid) Jones is the QB of the future. Get him. But don't take a guy like Lock or Jones if he slips to 17 or even 2nd round if you aren't sold on him but because the value is there.
However, if we all play this out, and I've said this for a few weeks, looking ahead, the Giants almost have to take a QB. If they don't, they will be bent over to trade for Fromm, Tua, or Herbert. Unless the Giants are going with the thought that they load up on their picks this year and fill out so much of the roster that they are willing to gut their 2020 draft to get a QB because they landed so many picks in 2019. A risky play. If that's the plan, I'm not feeling so good...
However, if we all play this out, and I've said this for a few weeks, looking ahead, the Giants almost have to take a QB. If they don't, they will be bent over to trade for Fromm, Tua, or Herbert. Unless the Giants are going with the thought that they load up on their picks this year and fill out so much of the roster that they are willing to gut their 2020 draft to get a QB because they landed so many picks in 2019. A risky play. If that's the plan, I'm not feeling so good...
Unless as DG says he goes year by year. If they feel Eli can still play, they will extend him. That's a real possibility here.
I do believe he has a plan
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Big body, big arm, seems well-suited for windy MetLife. Are the Giants smoke screening?
It seems like half the posters here have forgotten what a real GM does- lie and posture so other teams have no idea who they are going to pick until the card hits the commissioner's hand.
Remember all the wailing and crying her over how other teams predicted what the Giants were going to do and jumping ahead of them to grab those players? Now that you have a GM who is blatantly spinning and lying to hide their intentions, suddenly this is a bad thing?
remember last year when he telegraphed Saquon?
Again, it was a conference call.
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He sounds like he's planning on getting a QB in here this year.
Heard the same thing.
But then the subtle backpedal of still needing to evaluate the prospects.
If we're reading into an interview it's the obvious in that they'll take a QB if they like one. At this point, I think QB at 17 is more likely than 6.
Perhaps I have forgotten; wasn't Collins the QB when Eli was drafted and Collins wanted out because they went up to get Eli? Didn't they release Collins and sign Warner?
It's not clear when he will take one. But he's going to take one if the "right" guy is there.
Which is precisely why he won't trade for Rosen, if for just a mid round pick.
Rosen wasn't the guy last year, and he's not the guy this year either.
Why can't we draft Murray and have him sit? That makes no sense
I love Eli, but jeez... this is ridiculous. The team is bound by "agreements" as opposed to what's best for the franchise? In addition, I don't see how drafting Murray would preclude them from letting him sit on the bench for a while.
I know I keep saying this over and over, but this gives me absolutely zero confidence in the people running the show here.
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And thank God he's got everyone guessing instead of the past regime who let everyone know what their cards werew
yeah he sure had us guessing last year with Barkley...
So who are they picking with the 6th this year if he's so readable?
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Big body, big arm, seems well-suited for windy MetLife. Are the Giants smoke screening?
No, when have they done that recently?
jonc, have you heard any rumblings on how they feel about him off the field? i.e. work ethic, commitment to staying healthy etc. i know there were some concerns about him showing up to the combine out of shape.
2. Matt. I could be wrong. The only thing I know is Eli WAS told if he returned he'd be the starter as long as they were alive in playoff race. How can that happen if they take kyler that high? That's why I don't see qb at 6
2. How do they feel about Lauletta? Lost cause?
Thanks for all the info this offseason.
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And thank God he's got everyone guessing instead of the past regime who let everyone know what their cards werew
yeah he sure had us guessing last year with Barkley...
So who are they picking with the 6th this year if he's so readable?
edge rusher
I remember BBIers guessing right up to the moment before the Barkley pick that it could be Barkley, it could be Chubb, it could be a trade-down with Denver, it could be a QB.
So, no, I don't remember when Gettleman telegraphed the Barkley pick beforehand last year.