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How would you feel if Daniel Jones was picked @17?

mrvax : 3/18/2019 8:57 pm
I never saw him play. I did see his highlights and read a scouting report or 2. Is he improving each year? Can he be compared to Eli when just coming out?

He looks pretty good to me but I'd like to get the scoop from others. What is there not to like about him?

The reason I mentioned pick #17 is because if the Giants really like him, I don't think they'd just hope he drops so far...

Walterfootball: Daniel Jones Scouting Report - ( New Window )
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Feel  
XBRONX : 3/18/2019 8:57 pm : link
like rooting for another team.
I don’t know much about him..  
Sean : 3/18/2019 8:58 pm : link
but, it seems very little like him here.
RE: Feel  
mrvax : 3/18/2019 8:58 pm : link
In comment 14346408 XBRONX said:
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like rooting for another team.


Can you be specific?
Don't want him  
section125 : 3/18/2019 8:59 pm : link
at all at any draft spot....
RE: Don't want him  
mrvax : 3/18/2019 9:00 pm : link
In comment 14346413 section125 said:
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at all at any draft spot....


Can you be specific?
Its inevitable  
twostepgiants : 3/18/2019 9:00 pm : link
And is a terrible pick at 17 or the 2nd round
I  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/18/2019 9:01 pm : link
feel we're going D @ 6 & 17. And I hope we do.
I’m thinking we are going  
big_blue : 3/18/2019 9:01 pm : link
Drew Lock @ 6 so I don’t think that would be good.
Ambivalent  
Johnny5 : 3/18/2019 9:01 pm : link
... somewhat ambivalent. Though any of the vids or writeups you see about him don't scream franchise QB, at least from what I have seen or read. But I'm not that arrogant to get that upset over a pick... lol
better than  
Mr. Nickels : 3/18/2019 9:03 pm : link
haskins at 6
no thanks  
Allen in CNJ : 3/18/2019 9:04 pm : link
defense @ #6 then either a WR/TE or O Lineman at 17.
RE: Ambivalent  
mrvax : 3/18/2019 9:04 pm : link
In comment 14346422 Johnny5 said:
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... somewhat ambivalent. Though any of the vids or writeups you see about him don't scream franchise QB, at least from what I have seen or read. But I'm not that arrogant to get that upset over a pick... lol


I feel the same. I wasn't pissed off that we took Barkley because I know they know more about QBs than I do.

Wish some CFB guys would weigh in.
RE: RE: Don't want him  
section125 : 3/18/2019 9:05 pm : link
In comment 14346414 mrvax said:
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In comment 14346413 section125 said:


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at all at any draft spot....



Can you be specific?


Yes, I do not want him to be drafted by the Giants with any draft pick.
He's hard to evaluate because his o-line is so porous and his  
Ira : 3/18/2019 9:05 pm : link
receivers drop a lot. So his numbers are lower than Murray/Haskins who are on better teams. He's big with average athleticism and good accuracy and arm strength.
Hate Jones  
Saos1n : 3/18/2019 9:05 pm : link
Would prefer the trade up for Murray
.  
arcarsenal : 3/18/2019 9:05 pm : link
Not great. But based on what was said today, Jones seems to me to be the guy they're probably looking at and best fits all the things Gettleman is saying he wants. I have a feeling he's their QB target.
I would feel  
oreojenkins : 3/18/2019 9:06 pm : link
like dying.
I’d feel  
jeff57 : 3/18/2019 9:07 pm : link
Like I’d been kicked in the stomach and kneed in the balls at the same time.
Duke QBs scare the heck out of me  
George from PA : 3/18/2019 9:09 pm : link
But i must trust Shurmur as a QB guru but at 17....seems crazy to me.

Prefer Lock....
Alright, let me be THAT guy.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/18/2019 9:09 pm : link
I don't watch a lot of Duke football. Why does it seem EVERYONE hates this guy?
I  
AcidTest : 3/18/2019 9:10 pm : link
don't want Jones at #17, probably not Lock either. But Lock will likely be gone by then anyway. Jones might be as well.
lots of positives  
bluepepper : 3/18/2019 9:11 pm : link
size, mobility and a very nice touch on his throws and I assume he's smart since he goes to Duke. But it worries me because he doesn't seem to be that highly rated by others and I fear the Giants may be over valuing him due to the Cutcliffe\Manning connection. You don't want to not rely on the old boys network for selecting your franchise QB.
If DG has conviction on the guy, then he should get him.  
Diver_Down : 3/18/2019 9:12 pm : link
The question would be at what value? #6 is way too early. Bunch of teams in the teens that might take him. I think #17 is still too high. But, if there is conviction on getting him, then I would like DG to package some of the late round picks with our 2nd and move up into the bottom of the first so they can leverage the 5th year option which is especially useful if Jones redshirts most of his rookie season.
I know I’m in the minority  
GoDeep13 : 3/18/2019 9:12 pm : link
But I really like Jones. He’s my second favorite QB in this draft behind Murray. I think he gets a really bad rap here because SOME PEOPLE won’t let the past be the past and evaluate Jones as his own person instead of screaming “DAVE BROWN” at every mention.

Those same people would have passed on Saquon because of Ki-Jana Carter. 🙄
*don't want to rely on  
bluepepper : 3/18/2019 9:13 pm : link
--
.  
arcarsenal : 3/18/2019 9:14 pm : link
I just don't really see the ceiling for Jones.

He screams "average QB" to me.

I haven't seen enough of him to go crazy one way or another, but that's been my general impression based on what I've seen.

It seems like he does a lot of things well enough... but he's not really "great" anywhere and never really seems to pop off the screen or make plays you really notice.

I kind of feel like they should have an AT&T commercial for Jones... "Just OK is not OK"

If someone can sell me on the guy, I'm all ears... but so far I've struggled to get much further than lukewarm.
SFGF..  
Sean : 3/18/2019 9:14 pm : link
It can’t be all Dave Brown memories, can it?
Statistically he must have been dinking and dunking  
widmerseyebrow : 3/18/2019 9:15 pm : link
but the accuracy is still on the lower end for a starting college QB.
It's hard not to think of Dave Brown, that's just how it is.  
Del Shofner : 3/18/2019 9:17 pm : link
It is irrational, though. More rational - only walterfootball seems to have him as a first round pick. The majority of draft sites have him as a mid second-rounder. So I think people are reacting to using a first round pick on him, and also reacting to using a lower than first round pick on another QB given our recent experiences with Webb and Lauletta.
RE: .  
BlueLou'sBack : 3/18/2019 9:22 pm : link
In comment 14346456 arcarsenal said:
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I just don't really see the ceiling for Jones.

He screams "average QB" to me.

I haven't seen enough of him to go crazy one way or another, but that's been my general impression based on what I've seen.

It seems like he does a lot of things well enough... but he's not really "great" anywhere and never really seems to pop off the screen or make plays you really notice.

I kind of feel like they should have an AT&T commercial for Jones... "Just OK is not OK"

If someone can sell me on the guy, I'm all ears... but so far I've struggled to get much further than lukewarm.


He'd be a decent get in the 4th round, IMO. EVEN at 95. But not 37.. There will be studs on the board at 37 still.
We can get a really talented  
ChicagoMarty : 3/18/2019 9:22 pm : link
OL, ER, CB or ILB at #17.

I'm talking about a three-down player who can contribute for the next 10 years.

Should the Jints be so fortunate to take an ER like Gary or Allen or Sweat at #6 then we could be looking at someone like ILB Devin Bush or perhaps CB Deandre Baker or OT Cody Ford

So if you are thinking qb at #17 consider the opportunity loss in your calculations
RE: I’m thinking we are going  
GiantGrit : 3/18/2019 9:23 pm : link
In comment 14346421 big_blue said:
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Drew Lock @ 6 so I don’t think that would be good.


outside the box prediction i like it (not necessarily the pick but the creativeness)
RE: lots of positives  
mrvax : 3/18/2019 9:24 pm : link
In comment 14346447 bluepepper said:
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size, mobility and a very nice touch on his throws and I assume he's smart since he goes to Duke. But it worries me because he doesn't seem to be that highly rated by others and I fear the Giants may be over valuing him due to the Cutcliffe\Manning connection. You don't want to not rely on the old boys network for selecting your franchise QB.


No, you don't. His scouting report I linked makes it seem like he's pretty good.
Here is my question about Daniel Jones..  
Sean : 3/18/2019 9:24 pm : link
Once we took Barkley last year, there was a lot of talk about building strong lines, running the ball & taking a QB who can manage the game. I think this is the plan with Eli in 2019, but does Daniel Jones fit this bill as well?
The kind of feeling  
ryanmkeane : 3/18/2019 9:24 pm : link
you get when you have to shit unexpectedly
I wasn't impressed when  
St. Jimmy : 3/18/2019 9:25 pm : link
I saw him vs. Clemson. That was just one game so I'd have to wait and see. They better be right if that's the way they go.
Like they traded Odell for nothing.  
Boy Cord : 3/18/2019 9:25 pm : link
.
VERY PISSED.  
Red Dog : 3/18/2019 9:26 pm : link
They have absolutely wasted picks on QBs in each of the last two drafts when they had more pressing needs all over the place.

Don't waste another pick on a QB.

Use that pick on somebody who can help build the team around the next QB, like an OT or a defensive player. Or even another WR.

Then make the next QB pick NEXT spring when there will almost certainly be more and to put a point on it, BETTER candidates available.
RE: DEFENSE, DEFENSE, DEFENSE  
5BowlsSoon : 3/18/2019 9:32 pm : link
In comment 14346418 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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feel we're going D @ 6 & 17. And I hope we do.


I second this emotion.
RE: Alright, let me be THAT guy.  
eric2425ny : 3/18/2019 9:32 pm : link
In comment 14346442 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I don't watch a lot of Duke football. Why does it seem EVERYONE hates this guy?


It’s Dave Brown, for all of us that remember those seasons. We were lucky to throw for more than 150 yards a game with him. This Jones guy could be good, but there is definitely a fear of Duke QB’s from a Giants fan perspective.
.  
Go Terps : 3/18/2019 9:33 pm : link
The Draft Network does something interesting in that it lists the best and worst film each prospect has put out there. They list the Virginia game as his worst. I watched it today. I didn't come away from it as discouraged as I expected to be.

The first thing that jumped out to me was his feet. They're pretty good. He slides around and steps up into the pocket fairly well. He's not as good a thrower as Haskins is, but his feet are much better. On this alone I'd call him a better prospect than Haskins.

The biggest minus I saw in this particular game was his deep ball. The conditions weren't great so that may have played a part, but the ball really died on him. He wasn't as bad though throwing shorter passes to the numbers; the ball got there plenty fast on wide receiver screens, etc.

He's not a plus thrower, but he's a better than average athlete - that may reduce his need for plus throws if the Giants are willing to use him as a running threat.
RE: VERY PISSED.  
mrvax : 3/18/2019 9:34 pm : link
In comment 14346478 Red Dog said:
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Then make the next QB pick NEXT spring when there will almost certainly be more and to put a point on it, BETTER candidates available.


If the Giants finish 9-7 this year, they may be picking at #20 and all those QB prospects will be gone. I can certainly understand why some here want D at #6 and #17 or possibly a RT. But by the same token, many posters are screaming for an Eli replacement.
I don't see a player with a 1st Round 'talent level'  
Torrag : 3/18/2019 9:35 pm : link
In 3 full starting seasons:

60% completion rate
8K yards
Only 50TD to 30 INT ratio
6.4 Y/A

Those aren't 1st Round QB numbers by a long shot. I believe the Giants are using 'the Cutcliffe connection' in what would admittedly be a little unusual for them...an attempt at misdirection.
Jones  
AcidTest : 3/18/2019 9:36 pm : link
was buried by the Clemson DL, which has a plethora of NFL talent. Jones's OL was poor all season. His receivers dropped a ton of passes, and also had trouble separating. I thought Jones forced some throws out of frustration that resulted in INTs.

Unlike Lock, Jones has excellent mechanics, and can throw on the run. He also reads defenses well, and is more than willing to stand in the pocket and take a hit. His mobility is good.

I'm just not sure he has the arm strength to throw a 20 yard NFL out route from the middle of the field. If he can't, corners will sit on those routes. But Shurmur of course said that arm strength is not the most important quality for a QB.

I'd rather take Finley in the third than Jones or Lock at #17.
Thanks Terps  
mrvax : 3/18/2019 9:37 pm : link
Jones makes some nice deep passes in his highlight films.
They are not rainbows.
He doesn't throw the deep ball very well  
GFAN52 : 3/18/2019 9:40 pm : link
from what I've seen. He seems mobile for a guy his size though.
RE: Jones  
eric2425ny : 3/18/2019 9:40 pm : link
In comment 14346489 AcidTest said:
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was buried by the Clemson DL, which has a plethora of NFL talent. Jones's OL was poor all season. His receivers dropped a ton of passes, and also had trouble separating. I thought Jones forced some throws out of frustration that resulted in INTs.

Unlike Lock, Jones has excellent mechanics, and can throw on the run. He also reads defenses well, and is more than willing to stand in the pocket and take a hit. His mobility is good.

I'm just not sure he has the arm strength to throw a 20 yard NFL out route from the middle of the field. If he can't, corners will sit on those routes. But Shurmur of course said that arm strength is not the most important quality for a QB.

I'd rather take Finley in the third than Jones or Lock at #17.


The first paragraph of this sounds like Eli for the past five or six years.
His ceiling is as a game manager, caretaker type  
Greg from LI : 3/18/2019 9:40 pm : link
Very uninspiring pick. It cetainly wouldn't improve my opinion of Gwttleman.
Here is a scouting report from Greg Cosell  
RawhideMarshall : 3/18/2019 9:43 pm : link
I cannot claim to have watched many Duke football games, but I watched Jones throw at the combine. On the fly routes he took his drop and then crow-hopped back almost to the LOS presumably to get more into the throw. One of the analysts (Kurt Warner maybe?) commented that he would be sacked if he tried that at the next level. Cosell mentions that he "has a tendency to hitch up into the pocket and at times create his own pressure". I have not seen many scouting reports question his arm strength, but it looked to me that he was crow-hopping to compensate on the deep throws.
Greg Cosell Scouting Report - ( New Window )
Some of the commensts surprise me in context for #17  
Torrag : 3/18/2019 9:43 pm : link
His feet this, his arm is ok, since he's mobile he won't need to drive the ball outside the numbers, etc. That's a 3rd round prospect conversation. The OP was what do you think of him for #17 overall. The answer is he doesn't profile that way. imo.
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