I never saw him play. I did see his highlights and read a scouting report or 2. Is he improving each year? Can he be compared to Eli when just coming out?
He looks pretty good to me but I'd like to get the scoop from others. What is there not to like about him?
The reason I mentioned pick #17 is because if the Giants really like him, I don't think they'd just hope he drops so far...
Walterfootball: Daniel Jones Scouting Report - (
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Not sure if getting the 2nd first was required for the qb or not, but my thinking was since he wanted #2 from San Fran, he was try to get a top edge guy Bosa/Allen first and then be able to take his guy at 6.
Feel he needs a 1st round edge guy but there is a lot and only 2 top level which we cant get at 6. the drop off between the 3rd guy at 6 or whoever is avaiable at 17 isnt that great.
even if murray doesnt go 1 he is gone before we can get him. that cant be his plan. and someone is coming up for haskins and will think they neded to get in front of us for him.
unless allen drops or nobody comes up for haskins and we drop back so (den,cincy, or mia) can take Haskins, we probably take Lock or Jones 6.
There are very few absolutes in the Draft. Probably the only one I can come up with is if you have the #1 pick and there is a franchise QB available you take him if you don't have one or trade it for a haul.
What if you have the second pick....?
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He surveys the field, not a 1 read guy.
You can also see him manipulate the safeties with his head.
How many passes are dropped?
If he had Ohio State's or Clemson's WRs, what do some of these passes look like?
Lots of passes batted.
His accuracy on the move or when harrassed is not good.
My Dad and I both commented on how he missed looking in the direction of receivers who had gotten open, and how his velocity looked poor. Granted, he was going up against Lawrence and the differences in the two in warmups was striking, but I was excited to see Jones and he disappointed.
I also can't underestimate how bad he looked vs. Wake Forest. Blown out 59-7 at home. Under 50% completion rate and under 150 yards passing
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My Dad and I both commented on how he missed looking in the direction of receivers who had gotten open, and how his velocity looked poor. Granted, he was going up against Lawrence and the differences in the two in warmups was striking, but I was excited to see Jones and he disappointed.
I also can't underestimate how bad he looked vs. Wake Forest. Blown out 59-7 at home. Under 50% completion rate and under 150 yards passing
Obviously I can't see who was open on youtube, so I will take your word for it. To me, it looks like he tries to hit his hot reads under duress. When he has time, his decision making looks ok. I will watch the WF cutups.
Jones fits the prototype. Murray and Haskins don’t. Last year, 3 of 4 QBs fit the prototype, but the only one successful so far is the one who didn’t fit.
If it works out, I would rather take a chance on Rosen with 37 and a 4th round pick than Jones at 17.
Why? He's a good player. Runs a pro style offense. Led a talent poor team to a winning record and a bowl win. Good size, accurate. Lots to like there.
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anywhere in Rd 1 or 2, and considering the apparent depth of this draft, in round 3 either.
Why? He's a good player. Runs a pro style offense. Led a talent poor team to a winning record and a bowl win. Good size, accurate. Lots to like there.
The competition he played, mainly. His counting stats are juiced up with big games against Pitt, Georgia Tech, and other equally talent-poor teams. and the bowl game win was against Temple playing with a replacement head coach. When you look at the games he played against significant competition, he was made to be a real nonfactor.
You can also see him manipulate the safeties with his head.
How many passes are dropped?
If he had Ohio State's or Clemson's WRs, what do some of these passes look like?
Lots of passes batted.
His accuracy on the move or when harrassed is not good.
Overall though, this comes out positive to me. Jones vs Clemson 2018 - ( New Window )
I sort of tossed this game because of the talent disparity between Duke and Clemson. But I didn’t think Jones looked inspiring at all. He moved okay to keep some plays alive, but thought he got rattled too easily. Overall, I struggle to find anything on the plus side about his game other than movement. I struggle to give him anything other than a third round projection.
You want to watch a QB have a sneaky good game against Clemson with inferior talent? Watch Finley’s game. Showed great poise, showed really good movement in and out of the pocket, made two throws that were likely long TDs or big gains but the receiver dropped the ball, and kept competing despite the big score deficit. Now, he was off on a few outs, but I think that was more timing and less about arm skill...
Jones hasn’t shown IT. Not Lock either. None of these potential QBs have shown IT either, although Murray and/or Haskins may not have played enough games. So if you don’t love one of the choices, you can’t pick one.
Jones hasn’t shown IT. Not Lock either. None of these potential QBs have shown IT either, although Murray and/or Haskins may not have played enough games. So if you don’t love one of the choices, you can’t pick one.
I get the “it” thing, but Lock has a plus-NFL arm though. I saw a stat, and keep me honest if I misrepresent it, that Lock would have had a 70% completion rate if his receivers didn’t drop catchable balls. So his accuracy might me underrated too.
Eric Dungey played very well. He has a lot of injury concerns, but Dungey took what the Clemson D was giving him on single coverage and ran or scrambled to make positive plays when his protection broke down.
I wouldn't advocate drafting Dungey, but seeing him play and then Jones play, Jones looked comparatively really poor.
I'm actually struggling to see what people are high on him for. I saw Will Grier play live a couple of times, and he looked much better too, and I wouldn't even advocate drafting him.
With either Edge or OT at #6.
He seems to be what they want in a QB. Regardless of what some of the Draft Guru's think of him.
A mediocre rag-arm is what they want? Well, I guess they DID draft Lauletta.....
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Cooley (I'm sorry I keep going to him) that he felt liek Jones did more with less than any QB in this draft, Mentioned how his OL have him zero protection but he'd stand tall in the pocket and still make throws with guys hanging on him.
Anyway, I wouldn't be surprised at all if the Giants licked him
Cooley (I'm sorry I keep going to him) that he felt liek Jones did more with less than any QB in this draft, Mentioned how his OL have him zero protection but he'd stand tall in the pocket and still make throws with guys hanging on him.
Anyway, I wouldn't be surprised at all if the Giants licked him
He actually runs well, seen him a few games. I would say
he is similar to Josh Allen last year in that regard.
He doesn't have the bazooka arm like Josh Allen, but
he is very athletic. I would prefer him in Round 2,
if he is still around. I would like him over Haskins or Lock, in the long term.
Anyway, I wouldn't be surprised at all if the Giants licked him
Now that would surprise me.
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Anyway, I wouldn't be surprised at all if the Giants licked him
Now that would surprise me.
He needs a new keyboard (I hope)
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Eli Manning would be in that group 90% of the time. It is the 10% of brilliance that you are looking for. Ernie saw it in Eli’s college record.
Jones hasn’t shown IT. Not Lock either. None of these potential QBs have shown IT either, although Murray and/or Haskins may not have played enough games. So if you don’t love one of the choices, you can’t pick one.
I get the “it” thing, but Lock has a plus-NFL arm though. I saw a stat, and keep me honest if I misrepresent it, that Lock would have had a 70% completion rate if his receivers didn’t drop catchable balls. So his accuracy might me underrated too.
Not to mention Murray’s insane skill set.