Average to above average starter now means “franchise”.
If guys. Like Foles and Cousins got stupid deals he’s going to want and most likely get 22-25 per year and want a nice big bonus. Elliot is that teams Marshawn Lynch. So he’s a must keep. Good like figuring who to get
Yeah, super talented......more like media creation Â
“The biggest thing is just that free agency, I just don’t think you can make a living there,” Jones said. “That’s what we’ve always said. I think you’re overpaying in free agency most of the time. [Free agents] are overvalued.."
When you draft poorly, you have to dip into the FA market, which is a losing method of building a team. DG is forced to the FA market because of Reese's poor drafting but, in the long run, signing a lot of FA is a sign of failure.
but I think losing Beasley will come back to haunt them. He was Mr third down for them. I also don’t believe Witten will come back and light the world on fire. They need to find someone now to help them move chains on third downs
I think we all know by now, there is no such thing.Teams always work Â
The Cowboys have 250M free cap space in 20 & 21. They are going to be fine.
One of these days, and I am not saying it will be with Zak, but one day the race to the top of the QB market will end and average QBs will settle into the middle of the curve.
RE: It's a good problem to have
Big Rick in FL : 7:38 am : link : reply
Good problem to have? Signing mediocre players to huge contracts? Dak & Amari are average players.
that we have only one above average player on our team......the rest aren't even average.....
RE: It's a good problem to have
Big Rick in FL : 7:38 am : link : reply
Good problem to have? Signing mediocre players to huge contracts? Dak & Amari are average players.
that we have only one above average player on our team......the rest aren't even average.....
Only one? Ok Amidst the usual the team sucks and the world is ending etc this comment is right up there as the dumbest and most pathetic
The idea that you overpay for FA is true of your own FA as well. That's why DLaw is on a franchise tag because he wants more than Flowers. Prescott will want more than Rogers and Cooper will want more than OBJ and Zeke will want more than Gurley. No one is giving any hometown discounts in today's NFL.
It means they have some really good players that they need to make decisions on. They can't sign them all.
Hopefully they make the wrong decisions.
Good problem to have? Signing mediocre players to huge contracts? Dak & Amari are average players.
You're right about the players being average.
The problem is, in today's NFL players like Prescott will get 22 to 25 million a year and Cooper will get around 15 to 17 million.
Look at Lawrence, Dallas tried to get him cheap and gave him a low ball offer, which he rejected. It's going to take a minimum of 20 million a year to sign Lawrence long term.
The funny thing is that you sign these players to these huge deals and in three years everyone will be saying what bargains they are. It's the reality of the NFL.
is correct and when you can't sign all your own good players the NFL rewards you with comp draft picks so it is perpetuating.
The only good thing is that it seems like they've identified Dak as a guy that they need to sign. If they make him a $20m (or more) quarterback, that will be excellent as I think he is a game manager. Couple that with a potential time bomb with Zeke and they could crap the bed.
is correct and when you can't sign all your own good players the NFL rewards you with comp draft picks so it is perpetuating.
The only good thing is that it seems like they've identified Dak as a guy that they need to sign. If they make him a $20m (or more) quarterback, that will be excellent as I think he is a game manager. Couple that with a potential time bomb with Zeke and they could crap the bed.
When you compare Prescott's numbers against QB's making 25 million and up, you see that there he is in line to make this much. These days 20 to 25 million is not outrages in the NFL for a starting QB. I don't like it, but that is the setup.
Hypothetical, let's say the QB New York drafts this year is a good game manager(like Prescott) and four years from now the organization wants to sign him to an extension. That QB is probably going to make a minimum of 30 million.
Imagine, 30 million will be the starting point for an average QB, that's the NFL.
I always laugh at you guys that diss Dak who was drafted in the fourth round as below average. He is definitely above average who will command a good contract because NFL teams have overpaid below average QB’s in free agency.
You almost always overpay in FA. That’s why I would rather rebuild thru the draft which the Cowboys have done over the past 4 years.
“The biggest thing is just that free agency, I just don’t think you can make a living there,” Jones said. “That’s what we’ve always said. I think you’re overpaying in free agency most of the time. [Free agents] are overvalued.."
When you draft poorly, you have to dip into the FA market, which is a losing method of building a team. DG is forced to the FA market because of Reese's poor drafting but, in the long run, signing a lot of FA is a sign of failure.
Retaining top talent costs top $. Their trio of OL All Pros all signed deals that made them the highest paid at their position at the time. Doesn't make a big difference if you're re-signing your own top talent or free agents. Did we get a discount on Beckham last year? DeMarcus Lawrence isn't taking a discount this year.
RE: I think we all know by now, there is no such thing.Teams always work Â
around it and at worst, it may effect their depth at times, but almost always, short term..
I no longer pay attention to that after it NEVER destroyed the teams for years as I thought it would. For me, it’s nothing really to see here
You can work around things and often get out from the pain in 1 year, 2 tops, but it absolutely does matter. That's the primary reason Dallas went several years without signing any top FA, not some new found approach. You don't think they could've used another top free agent or two a couple years back? Might've put them over the top.
is correct and when you can't sign all your own good players the NFL rewards you with comp draft picks so it is perpetuating.
The only good thing is that it seems like they've identified Dak as a guy that they need to sign. If they make him a $20m (or more) quarterback, that will be excellent as I think he is a game manager. Couple that with a potential time bomb with Zeke and they could crap the bed.
When you compare Prescott's numbers against QB's making 25 million and up, you see that there he is in line to make this much. These days 20 to 25 million is not outrages in the NFL for a starting QB. I don't like it, but that is the setup.
Hypothetical, let's say the QB New York drafts this year is a good game manager(like Prescott) and four years from now the organization wants to sign him to an extension. That QB is probably going to make a minimum of 30 million.
Imagine, 30 million will be the starting point for an average QB, that's the NFL.
And their competitiveness will take a major hit. Prescott is a steal on a rookie deal. A mediocre game manager for top 10 QB money is at a disadvantage relative to all the other top teams.
I always laugh at you guys that diss Dak who was drafted in the fourth round as below average. He is definitely above average who will command a good contract because NFL teams have overpaid below average QB’s in free agency.
You almost always overpay in FA. That’s why I would rather rebuild thru the draft which the Cowboys have done over the past 4 years.
Dak is great value now. He's going to be awful value when he signs for >$25M per season.
You guys need to soften your obsession with the cap Â
Yes it’s a factor, but its not the end all be all to every single football discussion. The giants cap was tighter than a water tight frog’s ass during the mid to late 2000s. Virtually every positional group was among the most highly paid groups in all of football. And yet the giants still figured out ways to add FA talent and re-sign their guys and win a lot of games.
Dallas doesn’t seem to be struggling on the field with all these cap woes.
The cap is a talking point for the fans more than this huge, dark forboding entity.
RE: Yeah, super talented......more like media creation Â
In comment 14347268 Rick in Dallas said:
[quote] In 3 years this 4th round QB has compiled the following stats;
67 TD’s
25 Int.
96.0 QB Rating
66.1 Comp %
Man he sucks for a 4th round picks compared to our QB’s picked in the
Cousins stats were better. And he didn’t have Zeke. NFL owners are lemmings. They have bought into the pass first mentality and that only lots of offense ca win. Now Cousins and Dak are 25 million QBs. Is what it is but it’s not smart. I agree That’s the going rate as you post. But to me saddling you team QBs like this is a A mistake. Both Minny and Denver panicked and screwed the selves.
You can’t read a singe thread subject here without someone screaming about Eli scream about how overpaid he is. Anyone paying attention knows that starter level QBs salaries are over inflated. Maybe NFL owners will wise up.
If the cowboys are smart they'll look to replace Dak Â
with a first round pick. Colleges are pumping out a ton of guys that can play now. Dak was excellent value as a 4th round starting qb. As soon as you pay him 25 million you lose the advantage he gave you.
Dak gives you great leadership skills and RB skills at QB. Honestly they should have done a better job taking advantage of that in playoffs when they didn't have to worry about him getting hurt. It's why Linehan got fired. However any time you make him beat you with his arm, even with a ridiculous amount of time to stand in the pocket, he can't get it done.
RE: RE: You know $ 25 Million for Dak is about right Â
In comment 14347268 Rick in Dallas said:
[quote] In 3 years this 4th round QB has compiled the following stats;
67 TD’s
25 Int.
96.0 QB Rating
66.1 Comp %
Man he sucks for a 4th round picks compared to our QB’s picked in the
Cousins stats were better. And he didn’t have Zeke. NFL owners are lemmings. They have bought into the pass first mentality and that only lots of offense ca win. Now Cousins and Dak are 25 million QBs. Is what it is but it’s not smart. I agree That’s the going rate as you post. But to me saddling you team QBs like this is a A mistake. Both Minny and Denver panicked and screwed the selves.
You can’t read a singe thread subject here without someone screaming about Eli scream about how overpaid he is. Anyone paying attention knows that starter level QBs salaries are over inflated. Maybe NFL owners will wise up.
People post stats like that like its an accomplishment. I don't think they can wrap their heads around that it isn't 1998 anymore. Plenty of guys put up stats like that.
Hopefully they make the wrong decisions.
If guys. Like Foles and Cousins got stupid deals he’s going to want and most likely get 22-25 per year and want a nice big bonus. Elliot is that teams Marshawn Lynch. So he’s a must keep. Good like figuring who to get
Hopefully they make the wrong decisions.
Good problem to have? Signing mediocre players to huge contracts? Dak & Amari are average players.
When you draft poorly, you have to dip into the FA market, which is a losing method of building a team. DG is forced to the FA market because of Reese's poor drafting but, in the long run, signing a lot of FA is a sign of failure.
I no longer pay attention to that after it NEVER destroyed the teams for years as I thought it would. For me, it’s nothing really to see here
One of these days, and I am not saying it will be with Zak, but one day the race to the top of the QB market will end and average QBs will settle into the middle of the curve.
Big Rick in FL : 7:38 am : link : reply
Good problem to have? Signing mediocre players to huge contracts? Dak & Amari are average players.
that we have only one above average player on our team......the rest aren't even average.....
Big Rick in FL : 7:38 am : link : reply
Good problem to have? Signing mediocre players to huge contracts? Dak & Amari are average players.
that we have only one above average player on our team......the rest aren't even average.....
Only one? Ok Amidst the usual the team sucks and the world is ending etc this comment is right up there as the dumbest and most pathetic
Quote:
It means they have some really good players that they need to make decisions on. They can't sign them all.
Hopefully they make the wrong decisions.
Good problem to have? Signing mediocre players to huge contracts? Dak & Amari are average players.
You're right about the players being average.
The problem is, in today's NFL players like Prescott will get 22 to 25 million a year and Cooper will get around 15 to 17 million.
Look at Lawrence, Dallas tried to get him cheap and gave him a low ball offer, which he rejected. It's going to take a minimum of 20 million a year to sign Lawrence long term.
The funny thing is that you sign these players to these huge deals and in three years everyone will be saying what bargains they are. It's the reality of the NFL.
The only good thing is that it seems like they've identified Dak as a guy that they need to sign. If they make him a $20m (or more) quarterback, that will be excellent as I think he is a game manager. Couple that with a potential time bomb with Zeke and they could crap the bed.
The only good thing is that it seems like they've identified Dak as a guy that they need to sign. If they make him a $20m (or more) quarterback, that will be excellent as I think he is a game manager. Couple that with a potential time bomb with Zeke and they could crap the bed.
When you compare Prescott's numbers against QB's making 25 million and up, you see that there he is in line to make this much. These days 20 to 25 million is not outrages in the NFL for a starting QB. I don't like it, but that is the setup.
Hypothetical, let's say the QB New York drafts this year is a good game manager(like Prescott) and four years from now the organization wants to sign him to an extension. That QB is probably going to make a minimum of 30 million.
Imagine, 30 million will be the starting point for an average QB, that's the NFL.
You almost always overpay in FA. That’s why I would rather rebuild thru the draft which the Cowboys have done over the past 4 years.
Quote:
“The biggest thing is just that free agency, I just don’t think you can make a living there,” Jones said. “That’s what we’ve always said. I think you’re overpaying in free agency most of the time. [Free agents] are overvalued.."
When you draft poorly, you have to dip into the FA market, which is a losing method of building a team. DG is forced to the FA market because of Reese's poor drafting but, in the long run, signing a lot of FA is a sign of failure.
Retaining top talent costs top $. Their trio of OL All Pros all signed deals that made them the highest paid at their position at the time. Doesn't make a big difference if you're re-signing your own top talent or free agents. Did we get a discount on Beckham last year? DeMarcus Lawrence isn't taking a discount this year.
I no longer pay attention to that after it NEVER destroyed the teams for years as I thought it would. For me, it’s nothing really to see here
You can work around things and often get out from the pain in 1 year, 2 tops, but it absolutely does matter. That's the primary reason Dallas went several years without signing any top FA, not some new found approach. You don't think they could've used another top free agent or two a couple years back? Might've put them over the top.
Quote:
is correct and when you can't sign all your own good players the NFL rewards you with comp draft picks so it is perpetuating.
The only good thing is that it seems like they've identified Dak as a guy that they need to sign. If they make him a $20m (or more) quarterback, that will be excellent as I think he is a game manager. Couple that with a potential time bomb with Zeke and they could crap the bed.
When you compare Prescott's numbers against QB's making 25 million and up, you see that there he is in line to make this much. These days 20 to 25 million is not outrages in the NFL for a starting QB. I don't like it, but that is the setup.
Hypothetical, let's say the QB New York drafts this year is a good game manager(like Prescott) and four years from now the organization wants to sign him to an extension. That QB is probably going to make a minimum of 30 million.
Imagine, 30 million will be the starting point for an average QB, that's the NFL.
And their competitiveness will take a major hit. Prescott is a steal on a rookie deal. A mediocre game manager for top 10 QB money is at a disadvantage relative to all the other top teams.
You almost always overpay in FA. That’s why I would rather rebuild thru the draft which the Cowboys have done over the past 4 years.
Dak is great value now. He's going to be awful value when he signs for >$25M per season.
Dallas doesn’t seem to be struggling on the field with all these cap woes.
The cap is a talking point for the fans more than this huge, dark forboding entity.
Media creation? Except they win.
67 TD’s
25 Int.
96.0 QB Rating
66.1 Comp %
Man he sucks for a 4th round picks compared to our QB’s picked in the mid rounds.
[quote] In 3 years this 4th round QB has compiled the following stats;
67 TD’s
25 Int.
96.0 QB Rating
66.1 Comp %
Man he sucks for a 4th round picks compared to our QB’s picked in the
Cousins stats were better. And he didn’t have Zeke. NFL owners are lemmings. They have bought into the pass first mentality and that only lots of offense ca win. Now Cousins and Dak are 25 million QBs. Is what it is but it’s not smart. I agree That’s the going rate as you post. But to me saddling you team QBs like this is a A mistake. Both Minny and Denver panicked and screwed the selves.
You can’t read a singe thread subject here without someone screaming about Eli scream about how overpaid he is. Anyone paying attention knows that starter level QBs salaries are over inflated. Maybe NFL owners will wise up.
Dak gives you great leadership skills and RB skills at QB. Honestly they should have done a better job taking advantage of that in playoffs when they didn't have to worry about him getting hurt. It's why Linehan got fired. However any time you make him beat you with his arm, even with a ridiculous amount of time to stand in the pocket, he can't get it done.
[quote] In 3 years this 4th round QB has compiled the following stats;
67 TD’s
25 Int.
96.0 QB Rating
66.1 Comp %
Man he sucks for a 4th round picks compared to our QB’s picked in the
Cousins stats were better. And he didn’t have Zeke. NFL owners are lemmings. They have bought into the pass first mentality and that only lots of offense ca win. Now Cousins and Dak are 25 million QBs. Is what it is but it’s not smart. I agree That’s the going rate as you post. But to me saddling you team QBs like this is a A mistake. Both Minny and Denver panicked and screwed the selves.
You can’t read a singe thread subject here without someone screaming about Eli scream about how overpaid he is. Anyone paying attention knows that starter level QBs salaries are over inflated. Maybe NFL owners will wise up.
People post stats like that like its an accomplishment. I don't think they can wrap their heads around that it isn't 1998 anymore. Plenty of guys put up stats like that.