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Gettleman: "If everything works out, probably."

Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/19/2019 7:51 am
This was Gettleman's answer to Francesa asking, "There should be another quarterback added this year?"

To me, the key part is "if everything works out."

It sounds to me like they know who they want and they have a realistic scenario in mind as to that guy being available to them on Draft Day.

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That also kind of sounds like  
Simms11 : 3/19/2019 7:54 am : link
they won’t trade up, but if one is there at 6 they will probably pull the trigger. Now is that smoke, to get some teams to bite and trade p, thereby dropping some Defensive talent? Not so sure DG is a very good Riverboat Gambler though! Who knows.
I think they do  
UberAlias : 3/19/2019 7:54 am : link
Just not @6
RE: That also kind of sounds like  
Mike in NJ : 3/19/2019 7:56 am : link
In comment 14346727 Simms11 said:
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they won’t trade up, but if one is there at 6 they will probably pull the trigger. Now is that smoke, to get some teams to bite and trade p, thereby dropping some Defensive talent? Not so sure DG is a very good Riverboat Gambler though! Who knows.


I was thinking the opposite. To me it sounds like they may be interested in working on a trade up. If the trade “works out” they’ll take a QB.
Basically stating that he will be taking a QB at 6  
Jimmy Googs : 3/19/2019 7:59 am : link
if his guy is taken any earlier. So come at me for offers or get ahead of me if you want one.
I took it like Mike did as well  
Rocky369 : 3/19/2019 7:59 am : link
potential for trade if say Murray isn't taken #1. Or they get close on Lock/Jones.
Isn’t taken any earlier  
Jimmy Googs : 3/19/2019 8:00 am : link
**
RE: RE: That also kind of sounds like  
Simms11 : 3/19/2019 8:01 am : link
In comment 14346729 Mike in NJ said:
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In comment 14346727 Simms11 said:


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they won’t trade up, but if one is there at 6 they will probably pull the trigger. Now is that smoke, to get some teams to bite and trade p, thereby dropping some Defensive talent? Not so sure DG is a very good Riverboat Gambler though! Who knows.



I was thinking the opposite. To me it sounds like they may be interested in working on a trade up. If the trade “works out” they’ll take a QB.


Well, if you listen to the interviews, you’d come away thinking that they need to improve the Defense in this draft and if you’re going to do that, you’re not trading away two First Round picks plus, to move up. You’d miss out on starter quality personnel. If he grabs a QB at 6, which is what I’m thinking, you have 17 and 2nd Round to get your Defensive starters.
Trade up for Murray?  
Tom from LI : 3/19/2019 8:01 am : link
That is what it sounds like to me.
I took it as  
Eman11 : 3/19/2019 8:04 am : link
Him having a guy in mind at a certain pick and if it works out the guy is there then, he'll draft him. I didn't take it as he'll trade up or back for that guy, just if the draft goes according to how he sees it, the QB should be there where he thinks he should be.
I think  
Joey in VA : 3/19/2019 8:05 am : link
He's a better poker player than folks realize. He wasn't fond of Jerry Reese philosophically and we had tremendous leaks when he was here. We got leap frogged repeatedly in the draft because of what was leaked to reporters. I don't think he's telling Mike anything real.
When Manning was coming out of college, the Giants were willing to  
Ira : 3/19/2019 8:07 am : link
give up a lot to move up for him. It doesn't seem like they feel this way about any of the available qb's. But, I agree that if the right qb falls to the right spot, the Giants will pull the string.
I think teh Giants (and I said this yesterday in another thread)  
jvm52106 : 3/19/2019 8:09 am : link
need to play chicken with the Cardinals. Nobody above them except the Cardinals seem to be a threat to draft a QB. I do not see the Raiders trading for a rookie QB with the Vet WR's they have added and the fact that Carr is being paid quite well. The Raiders need defensive help badly. The 49ers and Jets are not taking a QB.

The Bucs then are the last option before us and they have needs at LB, WR, OT and DB. I don't see them going QB here as they are looking at Winston as still having the best chance to succeed (with Arians).

So, unless a trade up happens from another team we are really looking at the Cardinals and the Cardinals alone as the QB threat in the draft. If Murray is our guy then I say we stare the Cardinals down and play chicken. If they take Murray, we draft defense at #6 and look to add a QB later.

The Giants to me have ZERO confidence in Lauletta to even be penciled in as the backup. We could be drafting a QB this year a little later (after Rd 1) with the idea he is being developed to be a backup and could still look to get a starting QB next year.
My guess is Lock  
UberAlias : 3/19/2019 8:17 am : link
Just a guess
You CANNOT try to make sense of what he is saying here..  
EricJ : 3/19/2019 8:17 am : link
he is not going to tip his hand. His comments are calculated.
RE: You CANNOT try to make sense of what he is saying here..  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/19/2019 8:23 am : link
In comment 14346748 EricJ said:
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he is not going to tip his hand. His comments are calculated.


We said the same thing last year vis a vis Saquon.
As in Murray to Cardinals and Rosen in a trade to the Giants  
GFAN52 : 3/19/2019 8:24 am : link
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It's not distressing that they don't have confidence in Lauletta  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/19/2019 8:25 am : link
Why should they? He was a rookie, he didn't get any time to show they could have confidence in him as far as play. And he had some goof ups off the field.
RE: RE: You CANNOT try to make sense of what he is saying here..  
Capt. Don : 3/19/2019 8:27 am : link
In comment 14346753 Eric from BBI said:
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he is not going to tip his hand. His comments are calculated.



We said the same thing last year vis a vis Saquon.


I am trying to be optimistic and tell myself that is because it was a lot less important bc they were in the #2 slot.
I agree - they're in for a QB this year & it's why they dealt OBJ  
Eric on Li : 3/19/2019 8:53 am : link
to Cleveland (and demanded the niners #2 pick). Or at least a very big reason why. They wanted the highest pick they could get this season. It would not shock me if they took at QB at 6 if their top edge rushers are already off the board. It also wouldn't shock me if they had to move up from 17 to get Jones or Lock.
I’m worried  
Jay on the Island : 3/19/2019 8:55 am : link
That they are targeting Daniel Jones with the 17th pick. I really hope the plan is to attempt to trade up for Murray, trade a pick for Rosen, or use a 3rd on Tyree Jackson.
Key word  
buddyryansux10 : 3/19/2019 8:57 am : link
Not necessarily drafted, hint hint Rosen?
I do find it interesting  
ajr2456 : 3/19/2019 8:57 am : link
To the beat writers he was smug and saying “it’s not my job to tell you the plan” but Mike asks and he says how they want to add a QB and probably will if everything works out.
RE: Key word  
bw in dc : 3/19/2019 9:01 am : link
In comment 14346799 buddyryansux10 said:
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Not necessarily drafted, hint hint Rosen?


That the same exact thing. But jt insists Rosen is off the radar.
RE: I do find it interesting  
crick n NC : 3/19/2019 9:01 am : link
In comment 14346800 ajr2456 said:
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To the beat writers he was smug and saying “it’s not my job to tell you the plan” but Mike asks and he says how they want to add a QB and probably will if everything works out.


Is anything about Gettleman positive?
Has any of his moves been positive?

I ask that because like many on this board you seem to only find a negative side to Gettleman and his decisions.

I can't imagine there aren't any positives about him or his decisions. Why not express those from time to time?
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Justlurking : 3/19/2019 9:01 am : link
In comment 14346740 Joey in VA said:
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He's a better poker player than folks realize. He wasn't fond of Jerry Reese philosophically and we had tremendous leaks when he was here. We got leap frogged repeatedly in the draft because of what was leaked to reporters. I don't think he's telling Mike anything real.


I'll believe this when i see it. Right now there is nothing that supports it. Barkley was as telegraphed as any player to any team ever was. And Lots of people also had the Giants in on Hernandez. There is still over a month for him to pull some touched by the hand of god bullshit.
yeah  
gidiefor : Mod : 3/19/2019 9:02 am : link
smoke does follow him. It really wasn't a secret that he was trying to get rid of Odell, Collins and Vernon -- the press has been all over all three for a year now

He appears to be lukewarm on the idea of QB imo. Maybe, probably, is not a real endorsement.

The Giants really need defense if they are going to be competitive -- and everything he is saying points to that he wants to be competitive.

Based on his comments I don't think he is going to trade Shep or Engram at this point -- I'm not sure about jackrabbit though. If they are going to make more moves -- which he did say they were -- and implied that everything is on the table -- jr is a likely trade suspect. The guy runs hot and cold.
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Ten Ton Hammer : 3/19/2019 9:02 am : link
In comment 14346805 crick n NC said:
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To the beat writers he was smug and saying “it’s not my job to tell you the plan” but Mike asks and he says how they want to add a QB and probably will if everything works out.



Is anything about Gettleman positive?
Has any of his moves been positive?

I ask that because like many on this board you seem to only find a negative side to Gettleman and his decisions.

I can't imagine there aren't any positives about him or his decisions. Why not express those from time to time?


Nobody had anything bad to say about the Vernon trade for Zeitler.
RE: As in Murray to Cardinals and Rosen in a trade to the Giants  
Justlurking : 3/19/2019 9:02 am : link
In comment 14346754 GFAN52 said:
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if you are taking it at face value, this is what makes sense.
RE: yeah  
Justlurking : 3/19/2019 9:04 am : link
In comment 14346807 gidiefor said:
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smoke does follow him. It really wasn't a secret that he was trying to get rid of Odell, Collins and Vernon -- the press has been all over all three for a year now

He appears to be lukewarm on the idea of QB imo. Maybe, probably, is not a real endorsement.

The Giants really need defense if they are going to be competitive -- and everything he is saying points to that he wants to be competitive.

Based on his comments I don't think he is going to trade Shep or Engram at this point -- I'm not sure about jackrabbit though. If they are going to make more moves -- which he did say they were -- and implied that everything is on the table -- jr is a likely trade suspect. The guy runs hot and cold.


Exactly - great points. The leaks have definitely continued with "poker face" Gettleman.
I've been thinking we're going to take  
Big Rick in FL : 3/19/2019 9:10 am : link
Murray for a while now. Gettleman's quotes make it seem even more likely they're going after Murray IMO
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crick n NC : 3/19/2019 9:13 am : link
In comment 14346808 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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To the beat writers he was smug and saying “it’s not my job to tell you the plan” but Mike asks and he says how they want to add a QB and probably will if everything works out.



Is anything about Gettleman positive?
Has any of his moves been positive?

I ask that because like many on this board you seem to only find a negative side to Gettleman and his decisions.

I can't imagine there aren't any positives about him or his decisions. Why not express those from time to time?



Nobody had anything bad to say about the Vernon trade for Zeitler.


It's interesting on here. When a move happens that most agree with the critics will stay silent vs actually commending. When a move happens where their criticism blends in they aren't so silent.
LOL..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 3/19/2019 9:14 am : link
I love how overblown that comment was:

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There is still over a month for him to pull some touched by the hand of god bullshit.


The best part is that people ripped Gettleman for using it as if it was false, yet it certainly appeared he was dead on in his scouting of Barkley.

But in true BBI fashion, being dead right about something can be twisted to mean he was dead wrong and out of touch.
RE: RE: I do find it interesting  
ajr2456 : 3/19/2019 9:14 am : link
In comment 14346805 crick n NC said:
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In comment 14346800 ajr2456 said:


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To the beat writers he was smug and saying “it’s not my job to tell you the plan” but Mike asks and he says how they want to add a QB and probably will if everything works out.



Is anything about Gettleman positive?
Has any of his moves been positive?

I ask that because like many on this board you seem to only find a negative side to Gettleman and his decisions.

I can't imagine there aren't any positives about him or his decisions. Why not express those from time to time?


Because you only quote mention the negative ones.

I was positive about the original Vernon for Zeitler trade. The Golden signing. The Sam Beal pick. The Hernandez and Carter picks.

It’s just an observation on how he seems to be friendlier and more forthcoming with the Giants radio outfit than the beat reporters. Take that how you will.
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crick n NC : 3/19/2019 9:15 am : link
In comment 14346850 ajr2456 said:
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In comment 14346800 ajr2456 said:


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To the beat writers he was smug and saying “it’s not my job to tell you the plan” but Mike asks and he says how they want to add a QB and probably will if everything works out.



Is anything about Gettleman positive?
Has any of his moves been positive?

I ask that because like many on this board you seem to only find a negative side to Gettleman and his decisions.

I can't imagine there aren't any positives about him or his decisions. Why not express those from time to time?



Because you only quote mention the negative ones.

I was positive about the original Vernon for Zeitler trade. The Golden signing. The Sam Beal pick. The Hernandez and Carter picks.

It’s just an observation on how he seems to be friendlier and more forthcoming with the Giants radio outfit than the beat reporters. Take that how you will.


That's fine. Thanks for the response.
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ajr2456 : 3/19/2019 9:16 am : link
In comment 14346841 crick n NC
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It's interesting on here. When a move happens that most agree with the critics will stay silent vs actually commending. When a move happens where their criticism blends in they aren't so silent.


This is BS. There were many posters in the Zeitler thread who are critical and had positive things to say about the trade. Same with the Golden thread.
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crick n NC : 3/19/2019 9:22 am : link
In comment 14346855 ajr2456 said:
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It's interesting on here. When a move happens that most agree with the critics will stay silent vs actually commending. When a move happens where their criticism blends in they aren't so silent.



This is BS. There were many posters in the Zeitler thread who are critical and had positive things to say about the trade. Same with the Golden thread.


It's a common thing on here. I've been on this board a long time. Fans pick favorites, fans take sides, which is fine, but sometimes we get our heels dug in so far that when something goes against what we are preaching we either spin or ignore. I certainly was a part of that regarding Manning in the past. There are fans who didn't like Gettleman the day he was hired, some of those fans are really missed that he traded their favorite player.
Pissed  
crick n NC : 3/19/2019 9:23 am : link
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I pretty much agree with everything Joey said.  
Brown Recluse : 3/19/2019 9:23 am : link
And I like that Gettleman doesn't tell us anything. Some people get too emotional and take it personally when what he says one thing to the media and then does something else.
But they need to realize there's 31 other teams listening to what he says as well. This was a big issue when Jerry Reese was here. How many times did the Giants get leapfrogged in the draft because everyone knew what they were doing?

I have no idea what they're going to do and I'm fine with that. Have some patience and let it play out. But then again, I grew up in an era where I got my news from the newspaper and magazine subscriptions and it wasn't spoon fed to me on the internet.
Giants  
Sammo85 : 3/19/2019 9:24 am : link
are not trading up for a QB nor taking one at 6.

I think people are beginning to lose their minds splitting words and sentences and hairs alike when it comes to our QB situation and Gettlemans words.

If everything works out can mean a lot of things and is generalized. Working out could mean a QB dropping into around Rounds 2 or 3 that they like.
RE: LOL..  
Justlurking : 3/19/2019 9:25 am : link
In comment 14346849 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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I love how overblown that comment was:



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There is still over a month for him to pull some touched by the hand of god bullshit.



The best part is that people ripped Gettleman for using it as if it was false, yet it certainly appeared he was dead on in his scouting of Barkley.

But in true BBI fashion, being dead right about something can be twisted to mean he was dead wrong and out of touch.


The ripping it was the speaking in superlatives before the draft was dumb. Whether the analysis of the player was correct is not the point. The point is that every team in the league knew that the Giants wanted Barkley.
RE: I've been thinking we're going to take  
Sammo85 : 3/19/2019 9:27 am : link
In comment 14346835 Big Rick in FL said:
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Murray for a while now. Gettleman's quotes make it seem even more likely they're going after Murray IMO


No it doesn’t. You’re extrapolating your own bias on what you want to happen.
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Mr. Bungle : 3/19/2019 9:31 am : link
In comment 14346806 Justlurking said:
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He's a better poker player than folks realize. He wasn't fond of Jerry Reese philosophically and we had tremendous leaks when he was here. We got leap frogged repeatedly in the draft because of what was leaked to reporters. I don't think he's telling Mike anything real.



I'll believe this when i see it. Right now there is nothing that supports it. Barkley was as telegraphed as any player to any team ever was. And Lots of people also had the Giants in on Hernandez. There is still over a month for him to pull some touched by the hand of god bullshit.

Your post makes absolutely no sense.

Gettleman didn't make his "hand of God" comment until AFTER drafting Barkley. The Barkley pick was not telegraphed, period. And lots of people on here wanted Hernandez badly, once he slipped out of the 1st round. That doesn't mean Gettleman telegraphed that pick, either.

Some of you people deserve to have Reese and Ross back.
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Justlurking : 3/19/2019 9:32 am : link
In comment 14346866 crick n NC said:
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It's interesting on here. When a move happens that most agree with the critics will stay silent vs actually commending. When a move happens where their criticism blends in they aren't so silent.



This is BS. There were many posters in the Zeitler thread who are critical and had positive things to say about the trade. Same with the Golden thread.



It's a common thing on here. I've been on this board a long time. Fans pick favorites, fans take sides, which is fine, but sometimes we get our heels dug in so far that when something goes against what we are preaching we either spin or ignore. I certainly was a part of that regarding Manning in the past. There are fans who didn't like Gettleman the day he was hired, some of those fans are really missed that he traded their favorite player.


I just think he says dumb things with an arrogance that he hasnt deserved. I also don't think that he understands basic asset management (buy low, sell high) and has gotten rid of productive players for the sake of change (JPP, Okwara and Kennard had 27 sacks combined last season - Giants had 30) while replacing them with tomato cans. His draft was good, but his QB evaluation seems to be terrible. Jury is still out obviously and I hope he has a tremendous draft that sets the franchise up for the next 5-8 seasons.
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Justlurking : 3/19/2019 9:37 am : link
In comment 14346898 Mr. Bungle said:
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He's a better poker player than folks realize. He wasn't fond of Jerry Reese philosophically and we had tremendous leaks when he was here. We got leap frogged repeatedly in the draft because of what was leaked to reporters. I don't think he's telling Mike anything real.



I'll believe this when i see it. Right now there is nothing that supports it. Barkley was as telegraphed as any player to any team ever was. And Lots of people also had the Giants in on Hernandez. There is still over a month for him to pull some touched by the hand of god bullshit.


Your post makes absolutely no sense.

Gettleman didn't make his "hand of God" comment until AFTER drafting Barkley. The Barkley pick was not telegraphed, period. And lots of people on here wanted Hernandez badly, once he slipped out of the 1st round. That doesn't mean Gettleman telegraphed that pick, either.

Some of you people deserve to have Reese and Ross back.


Sorry, i confused his superlatives over Barkely. Attached is an article where he gushes over Barkley and telegraphs his draft strategy.

It was the league's worst kept secret that they were taking Barkley. That's from someone who was in another team's war room.
his mother couldve scouted saquon - ( New Window )
Of course there were leaks about a trade...  
Dan in the Springs : 3/19/2019 9:41 am : link
doesn't mean they were coming from him or the Giants front office. It's impossible to have discussions with other teams about potential trades and at the same time completely conceal those discussions. Other teams talk to the media too you know.

I hate how history is re-written. Supposedly EVERYONE knew that Barkley was going to be the pick before the draft. Sure, everyone knew the Giants liked him, and after the fact you can put two and two together to see a telegraphing of the Giants intent at #2. Having said that, how many were ready to put their life savings on the line because they KNEW DG wasn't going to pick Darnold? BS. Go back to draft day and look at the reactions to the Barkley pick. The site exploded with people who couldn't believe he'd taken SB.

Nobody knows the Giants plans for the draft, at least not until extremely close to the selection.

Next year we'll hear how everyone knew the Giants were taking Haskins, or maybe Jones, or Murray, or whoever they end up with. They'll point to specific moments where those things were speculated as "evidence" and how DG telegraphed the pick a month in advance.

Make some money - those of you who know so much about what the Giants will be doing. You'll be happier that way, and I'll be happy for you.
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Joey in VA : 3/19/2019 9:43 am : link
In comment 14346806 Justlurking said:
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He's a better poker player than folks realize. He wasn't fond of Jerry Reese philosophically and we had tremendous leaks when he was here. We got leap frogged repeatedly in the draft because of what was leaked to reporters. I don't think he's telling Mike anything real.



I'll believe this when i see it. Right now there is nothing that supports it. Barkley was as telegraphed as any player to any team ever was. And Lots of people also had the Giants in on Hernandez. There is still over a month for him to pull some touched by the hand of god bullshit.
That was pick 2 not 6. I think it's a big difference.
If we passed on  
ryanmkeane : 3/19/2019 10:03 am : link
Darnold, Allen, Rosen, a chance at Murray or Haskins...to draft Daniel Jones, I just....i just don't know what I will feel. But it will not be happiness.
Sammo  
ryanmkeane : 3/19/2019 10:04 am : link
I think Murray is absolutely the target, based on that interview, and based on the fact that Giants had every single person on hand for his pro day, including the head coach, which isn't always the case.
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Jeff : 3/19/2019 10:05 am : link
In comment 14346917 Justlurking said:
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He's a better poker player than folks realize. He wasn't fond of Jerry Reese philosophically and we had tremendous leaks when he was here. We got leap frogged repeatedly in the draft because of what was leaked to reporters. I don't think he's telling Mike anything real.



I'll believe this when i see it. Right now there is nothing that supports it. Barkley was as telegraphed as any player to any team ever was. And Lots of people also had the Giants in on Hernandez. There is still over a month for him to pull some touched by the hand of god bullshit.


Your post makes absolutely no sense.

Gettleman didn't make his "hand of God" comment until AFTER drafting Barkley. The Barkley pick was not telegraphed, period. And lots of people on here wanted Hernandez badly, once he slipped out of the 1st round. That doesn't mean Gettleman telegraphed that pick, either.

Some of you people deserve to have Reese and Ross back.



Sorry, i confused his superlatives over Barkely. Attached is an article where he gushes over Barkley and telegraphs his draft strategy.

It was the league's worst kept secret that they were taking Barkley. That's from someone who was in another team's war room. his mother couldve scouted saquon - ( New Window )


They were picking second...who was going to leap frog over us?? I honestly thought the pick was going to be a toss up between Sam Darnold and SB. Geez they had a good draft and still the bitching. We have had HORRIBLE drafts the years prior...be happy about one of the obvious positives !! :)
RE: I think they do  
Pan-handler : 3/19/2019 10:07 am : link
In comment 14346728 UberAlias said:
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Just not @6


Hope its Rosen for a 2 or 3 and something else
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