This was Gettleman's answer to Francesa asking, "There should be another quarterback added this year?"
To me, the key part is "if everything works out."
It sounds to me like they know who they want and they have a realistic scenario in mind as to that guy being available to them on Draft Day.
I was thinking the opposite. To me it sounds like they may be interested in working on a trade up. If the trade “works out” they’ll take a QB.
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they won’t trade up, but if one is there at 6 they will probably pull the trigger. Now is that smoke, to get some teams to bite and trade p, thereby dropping some Defensive talent? Not so sure DG is a very good Riverboat Gambler though! Who knows.
I was thinking the opposite. To me it sounds like they may be interested in working on a trade up. If the trade “works out” they’ll take a QB.
Well, if you listen to the interviews, you’d come away thinking that they need to improve the Defense in this draft and if you’re going to do that, you’re not trading away two First Round picks plus, to move up. You’d miss out on starter quality personnel. If he grabs a QB at 6, which is what I’m thinking, you have 17 and 2nd Round to get your Defensive starters.
The Bucs then are the last option before us and they have needs at LB, WR, OT and DB. I don't see them going QB here as they are looking at Winston as still having the best chance to succeed (with Arians).
So, unless a trade up happens from another team we are really looking at the Cardinals and the Cardinals alone as the QB threat in the draft. If Murray is our guy then I say we stare the Cardinals down and play chicken. If they take Murray, we draft defense at #6 and look to add a QB later.
The Giants to me have ZERO confidence in Lauletta to even be penciled in as the backup. We could be drafting a QB this year a little later (after Rd 1) with the idea he is being developed to be a backup and could still look to get a starting QB next year.
We said the same thing last year vis a vis Saquon.
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he is not going to tip his hand. His comments are calculated.
We said the same thing last year vis a vis Saquon.
I am trying to be optimistic and tell myself that is because it was a lot less important bc they were in the #2 slot.
That the same exact thing. But jt insists Rosen is off the radar.
Is anything about Gettleman positive?
Has any of his moves been positive?
I ask that because like many on this board you seem to only find a negative side to Gettleman and his decisions.
I can't imagine there aren't any positives about him or his decisions. Why not express those from time to time?
I'll believe this when i see it. Right now there is nothing that supports it. Barkley was as telegraphed as any player to any team ever was. And Lots of people also had the Giants in on Hernandez. There is still over a month for him to pull some touched by the hand of god bullshit.
He appears to be lukewarm on the idea of QB imo. Maybe, probably, is not a real endorsement.
The Giants really need defense if they are going to be competitive -- and everything he is saying points to that he wants to be competitive.
Based on his comments I don't think he is going to trade Shep or Engram at this point -- I'm not sure about jackrabbit though. If they are going to make more moves -- which he did say they were -- and implied that everything is on the table -- jr is a likely trade suspect. The guy runs hot and cold.
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To the beat writers he was smug and saying “it’s not my job to tell you the plan” but Mike asks and he says how they want to add a QB and probably will if everything works out.
Is anything about Gettleman positive?
Has any of his moves been positive?
I ask that because like many on this board you seem to only find a negative side to Gettleman and his decisions.
I can't imagine there aren't any positives about him or his decisions. Why not express those from time to time?
Nobody had anything bad to say about the Vernon trade for Zeitler.
if you are taking it at face value, this is what makes sense.
He appears to be lukewarm on the idea of QB imo. Maybe, probably, is not a real endorsement.
The Giants really need defense if they are going to be competitive -- and everything he is saying points to that he wants to be competitive.
Based on his comments I don't think he is going to trade Shep or Engram at this point -- I'm not sure about jackrabbit though. If they are going to make more moves -- which he did say they were -- and implied that everything is on the table -- jr is a likely trade suspect. The guy runs hot and cold.
Exactly - great points. The leaks have definitely continued with "poker face" Gettleman.
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To the beat writers he was smug and saying “it’s not my job to tell you the plan” but Mike asks and he says how they want to add a QB and probably will if everything works out.
Is anything about Gettleman positive?
Has any of his moves been positive?
I ask that because like many on this board you seem to only find a negative side to Gettleman and his decisions.
I can't imagine there aren't any positives about him or his decisions. Why not express those from time to time?
Nobody had anything bad to say about the Vernon trade for Zeitler.
It's interesting on here. When a move happens that most agree with the critics will stay silent vs actually commending. When a move happens where their criticism blends in they aren't so silent.
The best part is that people ripped Gettleman for using it as if it was false, yet it certainly appeared he was dead on in his scouting of Barkley.
But in true BBI fashion, being dead right about something can be twisted to mean he was dead wrong and out of touch.
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To the beat writers he was smug and saying “it’s not my job to tell you the plan” but Mike asks and he says how they want to add a QB and probably will if everything works out.
Is anything about Gettleman positive?
Has any of his moves been positive?
I ask that because like many on this board you seem to only find a negative side to Gettleman and his decisions.
I can't imagine there aren't any positives about him or his decisions. Why not express those from time to time?
Because you only quote mention the negative ones.
I was positive about the original Vernon for Zeitler trade. The Golden signing. The Sam Beal pick. The Hernandez and Carter picks.
It’s just an observation on how he seems to be friendlier and more forthcoming with the Giants radio outfit than the beat reporters. Take that how you will.
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To the beat writers he was smug and saying “it’s not my job to tell you the plan” but Mike asks and he says how they want to add a QB and probably will if everything works out.
Is anything about Gettleman positive?
Has any of his moves been positive?
I ask that because like many on this board you seem to only find a negative side to Gettleman and his decisions.
I can't imagine there aren't any positives about him or his decisions. Why not express those from time to time?
Because you only quote mention the negative ones.
I was positive about the original Vernon for Zeitler trade. The Golden signing. The Sam Beal pick. The Hernandez and Carter picks.
It’s just an observation on how he seems to be friendlier and more forthcoming with the Giants radio outfit than the beat reporters. Take that how you will.
That's fine. Thanks for the response.
It's interesting on here. When a move happens that most agree with the critics will stay silent vs actually commending. When a move happens where their criticism blends in they aren't so silent.
This is BS. There were many posters in the Zeitler thread who are critical and had positive things to say about the trade. Same with the Golden thread.
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It's interesting on here. When a move happens that most agree with the critics will stay silent vs actually commending. When a move happens where their criticism blends in they aren't so silent.
This is BS. There were many posters in the Zeitler thread who are critical and had positive things to say about the trade. Same with the Golden thread.
It's a common thing on here. I've been on this board a long time. Fans pick favorites, fans take sides, which is fine, but sometimes we get our heels dug in so far that when something goes against what we are preaching we either spin or ignore. I certainly was a part of that regarding Manning in the past. There are fans who didn't like Gettleman the day he was hired, some of those fans are really missed that he traded their favorite player.
But they need to realize there's 31 other teams listening to what he says as well. This was a big issue when Jerry Reese was here. How many times did the Giants get leapfrogged in the draft because everyone knew what they were doing?
I have no idea what they're going to do and I'm fine with that. Have some patience and let it play out. But then again, I grew up in an era where I got my news from the newspaper and magazine subscriptions and it wasn't spoon fed to me on the internet.
I think people are beginning to lose their minds splitting words and sentences and hairs alike when it comes to our QB situation and Gettlemans words.
If everything works out can mean a lot of things and is generalized. Working out could mean a QB dropping into around Rounds 2 or 3 that they like.
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There is still over a month for him to pull some touched by the hand of god bullshit.
The best part is that people ripped Gettleman for using it as if it was false, yet it certainly appeared he was dead on in his scouting of Barkley.
But in true BBI fashion, being dead right about something can be twisted to mean he was dead wrong and out of touch.
The ripping it was the speaking in superlatives before the draft was dumb. Whether the analysis of the player was correct is not the point. The point is that every team in the league knew that the Giants wanted Barkley.
No it doesn’t. You’re extrapolating your own bias on what you want to happen.
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He's a better poker player than folks realize. He wasn't fond of Jerry Reese philosophically and we had tremendous leaks when he was here. We got leap frogged repeatedly in the draft because of what was leaked to reporters. I don't think he's telling Mike anything real.
I'll believe this when i see it. Right now there is nothing that supports it. Barkley was as telegraphed as any player to any team ever was. And Lots of people also had the Giants in on Hernandez. There is still over a month for him to pull some touched by the hand of god bullshit.
Your post makes absolutely no sense.
Gettleman didn't make his "hand of God" comment until AFTER drafting Barkley. The Barkley pick was not telegraphed, period. And lots of people on here wanted Hernandez badly, once he slipped out of the 1st round. That doesn't mean Gettleman telegraphed that pick, either.
Some of you people deserve to have Reese and Ross back.
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It's interesting on here. When a move happens that most agree with the critics will stay silent vs actually commending. When a move happens where their criticism blends in they aren't so silent.
This is BS. There were many posters in the Zeitler thread who are critical and had positive things to say about the trade. Same with the Golden thread.
It's a common thing on here. I've been on this board a long time. Fans pick favorites, fans take sides, which is fine, but sometimes we get our heels dug in so far that when something goes against what we are preaching we either spin or ignore. I certainly was a part of that regarding Manning in the past. There are fans who didn't like Gettleman the day he was hired, some of those fans are really missed that he traded their favorite player.
I just think he says dumb things with an arrogance that he hasnt deserved. I also don't think that he understands basic asset management (buy low, sell high) and has gotten rid of productive players for the sake of change (JPP, Okwara and Kennard had 27 sacks combined last season - Giants had 30) while replacing them with tomato cans. His draft was good, but his QB evaluation seems to be terrible. Jury is still out obviously and I hope he has a tremendous draft that sets the franchise up for the next 5-8 seasons.
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He's a better poker player than folks realize. He wasn't fond of Jerry Reese philosophically and we had tremendous leaks when he was here. We got leap frogged repeatedly in the draft because of what was leaked to reporters. I don't think he's telling Mike anything real.
I'll believe this when i see it. Right now there is nothing that supports it. Barkley was as telegraphed as any player to any team ever was. And Lots of people also had the Giants in on Hernandez. There is still over a month for him to pull some touched by the hand of god bullshit.
Your post makes absolutely no sense.
Gettleman didn't make his "hand of God" comment until AFTER drafting Barkley. The Barkley pick was not telegraphed, period. And lots of people on here wanted Hernandez badly, once he slipped out of the 1st round. That doesn't mean Gettleman telegraphed that pick, either.
Some of you people deserve to have Reese and Ross back.
Sorry, i confused his superlatives over Barkely. Attached is an article where he gushes over Barkley and telegraphs his draft strategy.
It was the league's worst kept secret that they were taking Barkley. That's from someone who was in another team's war room.
his mother couldve scouted saquon - ( New Window )
I hate how history is re-written. Supposedly EVERYONE knew that Barkley was going to be the pick before the draft. Sure, everyone knew the Giants liked him, and after the fact you can put two and two together to see a telegraphing of the Giants intent at #2. Having said that, how many were ready to put their life savings on the line because they KNEW DG wasn't going to pick Darnold? BS. Go back to draft day and look at the reactions to the Barkley pick. The site exploded with people who couldn't believe he'd taken SB.
Nobody knows the Giants plans for the draft, at least not until extremely close to the selection.
Next year we'll hear how everyone knew the Giants were taking Haskins, or maybe Jones, or Murray, or whoever they end up with. They'll point to specific moments where those things were speculated as "evidence" and how DG telegraphed the pick a month in advance.
Make some money - those of you who know so much about what the Giants will be doing. You'll be happier that way, and I'll be happy for you.
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He's a better poker player than folks realize. He wasn't fond of Jerry Reese philosophically and we had tremendous leaks when he was here. We got leap frogged repeatedly in the draft because of what was leaked to reporters. I don't think he's telling Mike anything real.
I'll believe this when i see it. Right now there is nothing that supports it. Barkley was as telegraphed as any player to any team ever was. And Lots of people also had the Giants in on Hernandez. There is still over a month for him to pull some touched by the hand of god bullshit.
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In comment 14346740 Joey in VA said:
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He's a better poker player than folks realize. He wasn't fond of Jerry Reese philosophically and we had tremendous leaks when he was here. We got leap frogged repeatedly in the draft because of what was leaked to reporters. I don't think he's telling Mike anything real.
I'll believe this when i see it. Right now there is nothing that supports it. Barkley was as telegraphed as any player to any team ever was. And Lots of people also had the Giants in on Hernandez. There is still over a month for him to pull some touched by the hand of god bullshit.
Your post makes absolutely no sense.
Gettleman didn't make his "hand of God" comment until AFTER drafting Barkley. The Barkley pick was not telegraphed, period. And lots of people on here wanted Hernandez badly, once he slipped out of the 1st round. That doesn't mean Gettleman telegraphed that pick, either.
Some of you people deserve to have Reese and Ross back.
Sorry, i confused his superlatives over Barkely. Attached is an article where he gushes over Barkley and telegraphs his draft strategy.
It was the league's worst kept secret that they were taking Barkley. That's from someone who was in another team's war room. his mother couldve scouted saquon - ( New Window )
They were picking second...who was going to leap frog over us?? I honestly thought the pick was going to be a toss up between Sam Darnold and SB. Geez they had a good draft and still the bitching. We have had HORRIBLE drafts the years prior...be happy about one of the obvious positives !! :)
Hope its Rosen for a 2 or 3 and something else