What about Lock at 17? I feel like he would be a good pick to sit a year and learn. He has a big arm and by all reports he is highly intelligent. He had a new OC every year but was still able to improve every year.
Thoughts?
If you're going to take a guy that you know is going to redshirt Â
-will probably have one of the 5 biggest arms in the NFL
-can throw at multiple angles
-athletic, not in any way like a Kyler Murray level but very fluid mover and can make throws on the run
-ideal size
-had 40+ starts under his belt
-probably received his best coaching in the last year and made bid strides with it
if he is there at 17 we should jump on it. Murray is out of our reach and I'm not convinced he will survive in the NFL. Haskins will be gone at 6 and is not worth trading up for. In reality I don't think Haskins is worth a top 10 pick. Jones lack of arm strength is a red flag for me.
That from what I've read the Giants have shown the most interest in are Murray and Lock. Murray is an undersized super-talent (so who knows). Lock has talent, but is he a game manager or franchise QB? IDK.
The idea that you overpay for FA is true of your own FA as well. That's why DLaw is on a franchise tag because he wants more than Flowers. Prescott will want more than Rogers and Cooper will want more than OBJ and Zeke will want more than Gurley. No one is giving any hometown discounts in today's NFL.
RE: You're own FA aren't any cheaper than ones you get from elsewhere Â
The idea that you overpay for FA is true of your own FA as well. That's why DLaw is on a franchise tag because he wants more than Flowers. Prescott will want more than Rogers and Cooper will want more than OBJ and Zeke will want more than Gurley. No one is giving any hometown discounts in today's NFL.
will likely be gone by #17, but I'd probably pass anyway. His mechanics are bad. He constantly throws off his back foot, and makes throws fading away. He doesn't step into many of his throws, using only his arm. His mechanics really break down when he's pressured.. He doesn't throw well on the run. His shoulders frequently aren't square to the target and LOS. He was poor against really good competition.
Then you take him at 6. If you wait to 17 you're saying he's not a franchise QB, so why are you taking him?
Umm, that argument makes very little sense. He could still be the highest QB on their board and not the highest player! If you draft for specific need over value you will lose every time.
Playing QB in the NFL is a lot more about what happens above the shoulders. Not being critical of Lock at all, but the evaluation of QBs is much more about the latter than the former. Very hard for outsiders to really have a great view on that.
In any case, you don't pick a QB based on value. You take a QB because you are absolutely convinced that they can be your future and take you to the big game. Otherwise, you wind up in QB hell - committed but with no real road forward.
just skeptical that Lock's mechanics will suddenly be fixed in the NFL. More than likely they'll stay the same, especially when he's under pressure. He makes some "wow" NFL throws, followed by some that are just awful. Just too inconsistent.
I think has the most upside of any qb in this draft, but I am not sure even he is worth a first rounder. As others have said, this isn’t the year to get your qb, most of these guys would have been after tonight’s in the 2018 and likely 2020 draft. Just because a guy is the best qb in a bad qb year doesn’t mean he’s worth a top pick. I think any of those guys are a first round reach .
Then you take him at 6. If you wait to 17 you're saying he's not a franchise QB, so why are you taking him?
Because you think there is a chance he could be
And that's the problem. If you don't know he's a franchise guy you don't waste a 1st rounder on him. If you just "think there is a chance he could be" you shouldn't be a GM.
It's doubtful Lock is still there at 17, likely will go hire to Denver or even Washington.
Agree. I don’t want a QB this year. But IMO Murray is an injury risk and I’m not sold on his QB IQ. College coaches have dumbed down the QB position to one read and take off for kids like him. And whomever drafts him has to create an offense for him. So I think Lock at 17 is much better value. Though he has his flags too.
I’d take Williams Bosa or even Allen over the QBs in a second if its my pick
-can throw at multiple angles
-athletic, not in any way like a Kyler Murray level but very fluid mover and can make throws on the run
-ideal size
-had 40+ starts under his belt
-probably received his best coaching in the last year and made bid strides with it
He's the most Mahommes like. He can make the throws and when he is on, he is on, but on the flip-side, he can lose his mechanics.
Let him sit a year, and get his mechanics under control, and he would be doing great.
I agree with that
Umm, that argument makes very little sense. He could still be the highest QB on their board and not the highest player! If you draft for specific need over value you will lose every time.
Because you think there is a chance he could be
In any case, you don't pick a QB based on value. You take a QB because you are absolutely convinced that they can be your future and take you to the big game. Otherwise, you wind up in QB hell - committed but with no real road forward.
And Gettleman is all about the tape.
Lock is not going to be a Giant. Get real.
Yup. Jeff George is the poster boy for big arm, little brain.
Denver's a funny case of inability to evaluate QBs.
I have cooled on Murray a bit.
I don't want Haskins.
Not crazy about Jones.
Thank heavens I don't have to make the pick
Strong pass on all these QB’s in the first round this year.
+1
It's doubtful Lock is still there at 17, likely will go hire to Denver or even Washington.
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Then you take him at 6. If you wait to 17 you're saying he's not a franchise QB, so why are you taking him?
Because you think there is a chance he could be
And that's the problem. If you don't know he's a franchise guy you don't waste a 1st rounder on him. If you just "think there is a chance he could be" you shouldn't be a GM.
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Murray at 1
I agree with that
I think both have boom bust all over them for different reasons. Glad I’m not he only one lol who thought that way
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It's doubtful Lock is still there at 17, likely will go hire to Denver or even Washington.
Agree. I don’t want a QB this year. But IMO Murray is an injury risk and I’m not sold on his QB IQ. College coaches have dumbed down the QB position to one read and take off for kids like him. And whomever drafts him has to create an offense for him. So I think Lock at 17 is much better value. Though he has his flags too.
I’d take Williams Bosa or even Allen over the QBs in a second if its my pick