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Murray, Haskins, and Jones but....

Blueblue : 3/19/2019 8:42 am
What about Lock at 17? I feel like he would be a good pick to sit a year and learn. He has a big arm and by all reports he is highly intelligent. He had a new OC every year but was still able to improve every year.

Thoughts?
If you're going to take a guy that you know is going to redshirt  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/19/2019 8:44 am : link
a year at pick 17, he better have tremendous upside.

Lock will probably be gone before the 17th pick  
GFAN52 : 3/19/2019 8:46 am : link
To Denver or Washington.
Why not  
Blueblue : 3/19/2019 8:47 am : link
It's not unheard of for a 1st round qb to start their career on the bench.
there is a lot to like  
Pep22 : 3/19/2019 8:50 am : link
-will probably have one of the 5 biggest arms in the NFL
-can throw at multiple angles
-athletic, not in any way like a Kyler Murray level but very fluid mover and can make throws on the run
-ideal size
-had 40+ starts under his belt
-probably received his best coaching in the last year and made bid strides with it
I was thinking Lock  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 3/19/2019 8:53 am : link
myself.

He's the most Mahommes like. He can make the throws and when he is on, he is on, but on the flip-side, he can lose his mechanics.

Let him sit a year, and get his mechanics under control, and he would be doing great.
If yopu think he's a franchise QB  
BillT : 3/19/2019 8:54 am : link
Then you take him at 6. If you wait to 17 you're saying he's not a franchise QB, so why are you taking him?
Probably  
Eman11 : 3/19/2019 8:54 am : link
;)
Lock at 17 is better value than  
LauderdaleMatty : 3/19/2019 8:54 am : link
Murray at 1
Imo  
Blueblue : 3/19/2019 8:57 am : link
if he is there at 17 we should jump on it. Murray is out of our reach and I'm not convinced he will survive in the NFL. Haskins will be gone at 6 and is not worth trading up for. In reality I don't think Haskins is worth a top 10 pick. Jones lack of arm strength is a red flag for me.
The two QBs in this years class  
Beer Man : 3/19/2019 8:57 am : link
That from what I've read the Giants have shown the most interest in are Murray and Lock. Murray is an undersized super-talent (so who knows). Lock has talent, but is he a game manager or franchise QB? IDK.
I like him.  
UberAlias : 3/19/2019 9:02 am : link
I can see Shurmur liking him as well.
You're own FA aren't any cheaper than ones you get from elsewhere  
BillT : 3/19/2019 9:03 am : link
The idea that you overpay for FA is true of your own FA as well. That's why DLaw is on a franchise tag because he wants more than Flowers. Prescott will want more than Rogers and Cooper will want more than OBJ and Zeke will want more than Gurley. No one is giving any hometown discounts in today's NFL.
RE: You're own FA aren't any cheaper than ones you get from elsewhere  
BillT : 3/19/2019 9:04 am : link
In comment 14346814 BillT said:
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The idea that you overpay for FA is true of your own FA as well. That's why DLaw is on a franchise tag because he wants more than Flowers. Prescott will want more than Rogers and Cooper will want more than OBJ and Zeke will want more than Gurley. No one is giving any hometown discounts in today's NFL.
Sorry! wrong thread!!!
RE: Lock at 17 is better value than  
Anakim : 3/19/2019 9:04 am : link
In comment 14346793 LauderdaleMatty said:
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Murray at 1


I agree with that
I would take a game manager like Tom Brady or Eli Manning.  
Ivan15 : 3/19/2019 9:05 am : link
They are game managers with the skills and mindset to do great things when needed.
Lock  
AcidTest : 3/19/2019 9:20 am : link
will likely be gone by #17, but I'd probably pass anyway. His mechanics are bad. He constantly throws off his back foot, and makes throws fading away. He doesn't step into many of his throws, using only his arm. His mechanics really break down when he's pressured.. He doesn't throw well on the run. His shoulders frequently aren't square to the target and LOS. He was poor against really good competition.
RE: If yopu think he's a franchise QB  
jvm52106 : 3/19/2019 9:20 am : link
In comment 14346790 BillT said:
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Then you take him at 6. If you wait to 17 you're saying he's not a franchise QB, so why are you taking him?


Umm, that argument makes very little sense. He could still be the highest QB on their board and not the highest player! If you draft for specific need over value you will lose every time.
RE: If yopu think he's a franchise QB  
joeinpa : 3/19/2019 9:21 am : link
In comment 14346790 BillT said:
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Then you take him at 6. If you wait to 17 you're saying he's not a franchise QB, so why are you taking him?


Because you think there is a chance he could be
As fans, we always fall in love with arm talent  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 3/19/2019 9:25 am : link
Playing QB in the NFL is a lot more about what happens above the shoulders. Not being critical of Lock at all, but the evaluation of QBs is much more about the latter than the former. Very hard for outsiders to really have a great view on that.

In any case, you don't pick a QB based on value. You take a QB because you are absolutely convinced that they can be your future and take you to the big game. Otherwise, you wind up in QB hell - committed but with no real road forward.
I'm  
AcidTest : 3/19/2019 9:37 am : link
just skeptical that Lock's mechanics will suddenly be fixed in the NFL. More than likely they'll stay the same, especially when he's under pressure. He makes some "wow" NFL throws, followed by some that are just awful. Just too inconsistent.
The Giants are not going to draft Lock  
ij_reilly : 3/19/2019 9:42 am : link
My understanding is that he couldn't handle pressure at all. That he doesn't look good on the "tape".

And Gettleman is all about the tape.

Lock is not going to be a Giant. Get real.
RE: As fans, we always fall in love with arm talent  
Gman11 : 3/19/2019 9:44 am : link
In comment 14346877 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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Playing QB in the NFL is a lot more about what happens above the shoulders.


Yup. Jeff George is the poster boy for big arm, little brain.
I like Lock  
Rjanyg : 3/19/2019 9:51 am : link
I bet Denver does as well.
RE: I like Lock  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/19/2019 9:54 am : link
In comment 14346967 Rjanyg said:
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I bet Denver does as well.


Denver's a funny case of inability to evaluate QBs.
Jones is not making it to 17 either.. so  
Tom from LI : 3/19/2019 9:58 am : link
if that is the Giants target they will have to grab him at 6.

I have cooled on Murray a bit.
I don't want Haskins.
Not crazy about Jones.

Thank heavens I don't have to make the pick
I wouldnít draft any of these QBís at number 17  
Rick in Dallas : 3/19/2019 10:13 am : link
Continue to rebuild DL or OL at number 17.
Strong pass on all these QBís in the first round this year.
Lock  
lax counsel : 3/19/2019 12:14 pm : link
I think has the most upside of any qb in this draft, but I am not sure even he is worth a first rounder. As others have said, this isnít the year to get your qb, most of these guys would have been after tonightís in the 2018 and likely 2020 draft. Just because a guy is the best qb in a bad qb year doesnít mean heís worth a top pick. I think any of those guys are a first round reach .
RE: If yopu think he's a franchise QB  
Dave : 3/19/2019 12:15 pm : link
In comment 14346790 BillT said:
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Then you take him at 6. If you wait to 17 you're saying he's not a franchise QB, so why are you taking him?


+1
RE: Lock at 17 is better value than  
GFAN52 : 3/19/2019 12:26 pm : link
In comment 14346793 LauderdaleMatty said:
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Murray at 1


It's doubtful Lock is still there at 17, likely will go hire to Denver or even Washington.
RE: RE: If yopu think he's a franchise QB  
BillT : 3/19/2019 12:28 pm : link
In comment 14346865 joeinpa said:
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In comment 14346790 BillT said:


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Then you take him at 6. If you wait to 17 you're saying he's not a franchise QB, so why are you taking him?



Because you think there is a chance he could be

And that's the problem. If you don't know he's a franchise guy you don't waste a 1st rounder on him. If you just "think there is a chance he could be" you shouldn't be a GM.
RE: RE: Lock at 17 is better value than  
LauderdaleMatty : 3/19/2019 1:42 pm : link
In comment 14346819 Anakim said:
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In comment 14346793 LauderdaleMatty said:


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Murray at 1



I agree with that


I think both have boom bust all over them for different reasons. Glad Iím not he only one lol who thought that way
RE: RE: Lock at 17 is better value than  
LauderdaleMatty : 3/19/2019 1:49 pm : link
In comment 14347433 GFAN52 said:
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In comment 14346793 LauderdaleMatty said:


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Murray at 1



It's doubtful Lock is still there at 17, likely will go hire to Denver or even Washington.


Agree. I donít want a QB this year. But IMO Murray is an injury risk and Iím not sold on his QB IQ. College coaches have dumbed down the QB position to one read and take off for kids like him. And whomever drafts him has to create an offense for him. So I think Lock at 17 is much better value. Though he has his flags too.

Iíd take Williams Bosa or even Allen over the QBs in a second if its my pick
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