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Eli Manning IS the Problem.

twostepgiants : 3/19/2019 9:27 am
Eli Manning IS the Problem. He is the cloud. He is the rot.

In the aftermath of the Odell Beckham trade, BBI seemed to expel a collective sign of relief that the “cloud” hanging over the Giants has passed and that there had been a “rot” that set in for a culture of accepting losing.

It is my contention that the “cloud” hanging over this organization is Eli and the “rot” that set in began when the New York Giants began worrying about things other than winning and putting Eli Mannings concerns and needs above everyone else’s.

It is not my contention to argue about the Beckham trade as it’s possible to make the right move for the wrong reasons. The Beckham trade is irrelevant to this argument and I am not arguing for or against that trade.

One of the things that struck me during the BBI aftermath was a poster who told the story of the Bill Parcells and Phil Simms sideline fight. The new detail was that this was over a single play call In a game that they were winning big. I have also heard Phil Simms tell a similar story about Parcells and there was a constant theme of Parcells placing winning above all else and you create that environment by holding everyone accountable and placing no one player beyond that and never resting on accolades.

The New York Giants have placed Eli Manning above everyone else and he is treated differently and the Giants feel Eli is maybe owed something for winning the two Super Bowls.

A few examples stand out -

The Giants hired Ben McAdoo largely on “continuity” with the “quarterback” as said by John Mara at the opening press conference. The Giants at that point had 3 non-playoff years, had already suffered through the 2013 debacle that saw Mara call for an entire new offense and system and the promotion of a young OC with very limited success was all about Eli’s familiarity with the system and the progression of the offense numbers in the 2 years from bottoming out in 2013. Ignored was the fact that it was due to the arrival of Odell and that it never reached the heights of the Gilbride offense.

Despite the fact that the Giants were losing, the comfortableness of their 35 year old QB was what made the Head Coaching decision.

This was the time to overhaul the culture of a losing team that had grown comfortable. Instead the message was clear- Eli was above the rest of the Giants and not part of the losing.

Tom Coughlin final press conference kinda summed up this by attitude saying “Eli, it’s not you. it’s us”. This attitude has infected the organization and its fan base. Eli was absolved from any connection to the results of the team he leads

Contract wise the Giants continued to give Eli a free pass despite the losing and treat him as the one of the elite in the game. The Giants never even had a contentious negotiation with him as they gave a 4-year extension in the offseason of 2015 that made him the #3 paid in the NFL just behind Aaron Rodgers and Russell Wilson by under a million per season. As a bonus, the Giants gave Eli a “no trade” clause just to ensure his status.

The point of no return was reached when Eli was benched for Geno Smith. In the heat of the insulting benching for Geno Smith (and it was insulting and I’m not defending that decision) what was lost on everyone was how far the Giants had gone in putting Eli above the team and how far Eli had gone as well.

Looking at the situation objectively, right or wrong the Head Coach informed the Player of a new plan for his playing time. The Player rejected this plan and instead was benched by his Head Coach. The Player holds a media session answering all manners of questions about how things occurred and why

Removing the names from the situation allows us to see more clearly. Only once you assign pre-earned status to the situation does it become acceptable for the Player to even reject this plan because it is beneath him.

Then the Player issues a statement and holds a media session and answers media questions with uncharacteristic emotion and honesty about the details of its handling.

There are a lot of players names I can insert in those spots above that would have everyone screaming for their heads.

Then what occurs is the Head Coach and General Manager are fired one game after this decision and the Player is reinstated to his starting position.

What is the message to the team? Don’t mess with Eli Manning. He is above you. Even the the GM and the HC.

It strikes me that the only time I’ve ever seen Eli Manning get emotional after any of the multitudes of losing seasons or games is after his benching. I’ve never seen him express any but the most basic vague sense of frustration. Type in Google “Eli Manning emotional” and you will only get his benching.

It also strikes me that Eli gave details about his benching. How he was told, who told him, what he was told and even talked about the streak and the thinking behind the McAdoo plan. He gave His feelings and his thoughts as he cried in front of the media and his teammates in the locker room. This was the only time I can recall him doing this. This certainly wasn’t his response to support his teammates who might have done the similar. Then Eli would talk about the need to keep things “in-house” so they don’t cause “distractions”.

Why do we know more details about this decision than virtually any other Giants decision? Eli made it so and created a massive media controversy out of it. What Manning could have done was say nothing about any of that. He was benched. Accept that your head coach chose to bench you. Manning did not. He was saying he was accepting but his actions betrayed that. There’s a scenario that could have existed where all these details were never made public and all we ever knew that was McAdoo benched Eli for Geno and eventually Webb as they stated back then was the plan when the gIants were 2-7.

I would have to say in almost all situations from any other player, the above scenario would be viewed as unacceptable.

Lets be honest, Eli threw McAdoo under an uncessary bus. It was Eli he brought up the Streak and that he thought it was morally or ethically unacceptable to play football that way. That’s a judgement on your Head Coach, The reason Eli brought it up was to explain why he didn’t accept his benching,

We have our GM who cited one game from 2018 as evidence that Eli still has “it” and this year has cited only the second half of the season as evidence. Interesting, I wonder what the other players on the roster think of this evaluation and if they are held to the same lax standards and not all 16 games.

The cloud over this organization is Eli Manning. The rot is an underperforming and overpaid player who has consistently been treated above everyone else. He has been paid more than any player in NFL history and never had even an ounce of issues getting all of that money from ownership. He has barely missed a snap of playing time in his career (and I don’t mean that in an Iron Man positive streak way but in a how has he never been pulled from a game for poor play until this season) or had a viable backup drafted that could challenge him for reps and playing time. Both McAdoos hiring and firing as Head Coach were tied to his relationship to Eli.

Now we see Odell Beckham traded and as he is going out the door we are getting the leaks. The perception of Odell being traded is that he ran afoul of Eli by getting upset at his play and through to the Lil Wayne interview where his primary offense was that he didn’t support or defend Eli. It even seems a lot of people have accepted that others like Sterling Shepherd, who were “corrupted” by Odell will soon follow.

The cloud remains.

Do we really believe that the players don’t see the above. They don’t know we have an overpaid, underperforming player at the most important position? That he has no problem getting, that he has no challenges to his job or playing time? The GMs, HCs are fired and star players will get traded. That’s the cloud. That’s the rot. This is no longer a merit based team where every player is treated the same. Type in Eli Manning Frustrated into Google and you do not quotes from him being frustrated with losing but instead players being frustrated with his play.

And if you can’t see what is plainly obvious, then let’s look at big picture

Twitter › PaulHembo
Eli Manning since 2012
64 QB losses (most in NFL)
134 turnovers (most in NFL)
$131M cap hit (most in NFL)
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Like most of these threads, this is redundant and dumb....  
Britt in VA : 3/20/2019 9:35 am : link
and I'm starting to be annoyed with myself for getting roped into them time after time.
Manning is the QB next year.  
Britt in VA : 3/20/2019 9:36 am : link
Deal with it.

The end.
He isn't available - you are correct.  
Dnew15 : 3/20/2019 10:22 am : link
He is going to be the QB for the Giants this year (in all likelihood) - you are correct.
The Giants are going to pay him $23 million dollars this year - so that is his worth - you are correct.

I guess it's not worth discussing how stupid it is to pay him that much money b/c I find it hard to believe that any team (even Washington) would be willing to do so.

You're only worth what people are willing to pay you - unless you play for the Giants - they are willing to pay way more than market value b/c 7 years ago he was good - and we should just deal with it...got it.
Fans assessing values on players  
dep026 : 3/20/2019 10:25 am : link
is becoming one of the funnier things on BBI.
You're comparing what people are willing to pay for him now  
Bill L : 3/20/2019 10:28 am : link
versus what the Giants agreed to pay him in the past. They are not operating under the same conditions. If they choose to keep him, and they do, then they are bound by the contract.

It would only be apples to apples if the Giants and everyone else competitively *and contemporaneously* bid and only the Giants offered to him that much money.
I find the emotional attachment  
Dnew15 : 3/20/2019 10:31 am : link
that grown men and woman (we'll I'm assuming their grown) have to a fading super-star that clearly can't win anymore in the NFL to be equally comical.
RE: You're comparing what people are willing to pay for him now  
Dnew15 : 3/20/2019 10:41 am : link
In comment 14349104 Bill L said:
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versus what the Giants agreed to pay him in the past. They are not operating under the same conditions. If they choose to keep him, and they do, then they are bound by the contract.

It would only be apples to apples if the Giants and everyone else competitively *and contemporaneously* bid and only the Giants offered to him that much money.


I totally agree - you are right it's hard to compare since he is currently under contract.
My point is simply keeping Eli at the price they are keeping him at is a big part of the problem.
Not only do I believe that Eli is done - but paying him $23 million dollars (which is way above market value) is compounding the problem since it prohibits them from making other moves to improve the team around him in the rebuilding process.
RE: I find the emotional attachment  
dep026 : 3/20/2019 10:42 am : link
In comment 14349110 Dnew15 said:
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that grown men and woman (we'll I'm assuming their grown) have to a fading super-star that clearly can't win anymore in the NFL to be equally comical.


So what you are saying is that a guy like Blake Bortles who got the AFc championship game and a division title in 2017 is better than Eli?

You want your opinion to go on record like that? At some point fans need to stop watching Skip Bayless and Stephen A Smith and all these fucking shows on cable TV to learn the game. Its bad for your health.

Eli Manning is NOT the reason the team has stunk. He has been a contributor. Nothing more or nothing less. But with better personnel around him - he can still EASILy win in the NFL.

For christ sakes, Giants fans are the fucking worst.
RE: RE: You're comparing what people are willing to pay for him now  
dep026 : 3/20/2019 10:43 am : link
In comment 14349135 Dnew15 said:
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In comment 14349104 Bill L said:


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versus what the Giants agreed to pay him in the past. They are not operating under the same conditions. If they choose to keep him, and they do, then they are bound by the contract.

It would only be apples to apples if the Giants and everyone else competitively *and contemporaneously* bid and only the Giants offered to him that much money.



I totally agree - you are right it's hard to compare since he is currently under contract.
My point is simply keeping Eli at the price they are keeping him at is a big part of the problem.
Not only do I believe that Eli is done - but paying him $23 million dollars (which is way above market value) is compounding the problem since it prohibits them from making other moves to improve the team around him in the rebuilding process.


Name ONE move it prevented us from doing. Just one. And dont throw random names out there as if its a guarantee they would have been signed if we wanted them.
Eli's contract didnt prevent us  
dep026 : 3/20/2019 10:44 am : link
from signing Solder
trading for Ogletree
Signing divs WR to a huge contract
Kareem Martin to a bad deal
Omameh to a terrible deal

Its didnt hamper us in 2016 when we spent out of our ass in getting defensive players.

Lets try and keep facts straight about the Giants. Throwing out lies just looks bad at this point.
As I mentioned previously  
Bill L : 3/20/2019 10:45 am : link
they have at least 2 contracts (Jenkins and Zeitler) and possibly more, that can free up cash if they wanted to do something and were cash-strapped. But they haven't done so.
RE: RE: I find the emotional attachment  
Dnew15 : 3/20/2019 10:52 am : link
In comment 14349137 dep026 said:
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In comment 14349110 Dnew15 said:


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that grown men and woman (we'll I'm assuming their grown) have to a fading super-star that clearly can't win anymore in the NFL to be equally comical.



So what you are saying is that a guy like Blake Bortles who got the AFc championship game and a division title in 2017 is better than Eli?

You want your opinion to go on record like that? At some point fans need to stop watching Skip Bayless and Stephen A Smith and all these fucking shows on cable TV to learn the game. Its bad for your health.

Eli Manning is NOT the reason the team has stunk. He has been a contributor. Nothing more or nothing less. But with better personnel around him - he can still EASILy win in the NFL.

For christ sakes, Giants fans are the fucking worst.


I love how you think that you can just say he can EASILY win game in the NFL and expect people to just buy that... Just b/c I'm not willing to just buy that bill of goods nor a bunch of other people doesn't make us the worst...I'm having a hard time following that line of thinking.
RE: As I mentioned previously  
Dnew15 : 3/20/2019 10:56 am : link
In comment 14349150 Bill L said:
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they have at least 2 contracts (Jenkins and Zeitler) and possibly more, that can free up cash if they wanted to do something and were cash-strapped. But they haven't done so.


You are right - of course - I doubt it would net $17 million (is that right?)this year...maybe it would though - I am no cap expert.

It's also a little late to jump in that game - FA is essentially over for the top of the line guys.
I would put Giants fans up there  
dep026 : 3/20/2019 10:58 am : link
with Cowboys fans as the worst.

Look at the title of this thread. Nothing more needs to be said.
I get the feeling this twostep guy keeps jumping on here under  
PatersonPlank : 3/20/2019 10:58 am : link
different user names to keep the argument rolling
Yeah, I have an emotional attachment to a guy...  
Britt in VA : 3/20/2019 11:00 am : link
That is one of the greatest players to ever take the field for the New York Giants, and helped deliver 2 Superbowl Championships after a 17 year drought.

A guy that has started every game (except one) for the Giants, though me being single at 24 and seeing him as a rookie in training camp, to being married, buying my first house, to having a puppy, my first child, my second child, buying my second house, losing an old dog that was a puppy when the guy was playing QB, to now that I'm a 43 year old man. Every Sunday, every fall, through all that I could put on my Eli jersey and root like hell for the Giants, make a Giants fan out of my wife and our two children. Pass down what was passed down to me as a kid in the 80's.

15 years is a looooong time. Yeah, I like the guy, I'm a fan. Tell me why that's bad again?

How old were you when Eli because QB?
And Blake Bortles is terrible.  
Dnew15 : 3/20/2019 11:02 am : link
and at this point in his career - so is Eli.

I just want to pay someone less money to suck ass so I afford to pay for a nice young player that could help this team rebuild.

I have no clue who the Giants may or may not have been interested in had they had an extra $17 million to spend this offseason. The Giants were going to pay the man that money so they probably didn't even dip their toes in the high end OL, DL, DB market.
Being a fan is supposed to be fun, emotional, and entertaining....  
Britt in VA : 3/20/2019 11:03 am : link
I think people have lost sight of that.

You're not all junior GM's, sportswriters, or analysts.
If you are going to say Eli is as bad as Blake Bortles....  
dep026 : 3/20/2019 11:05 am : link
the bias shows.

Again, our fan base is terrible.
Britt..I'm right there with you brother  
Dnew15 : 3/20/2019 11:11 am : link
Eli is, undoubtedly, the greatest Giants QB of all time. I love the guy. He's a class act, a stand up guy, and a role model for young men.

I'm 40 - so I too went through almost every single life altering moment that you went through while rocking my #10 Eli jersey.

But it's not 2012 anymore - it's not even 2016. It's hard to explain to my 11 year old son why Eli just falls down when the DL from the Cowboys gets near him. Or why the Giants have not beaten the Eagles, in what feels like to him, his whole life. Or why I watch the games in November when as he says, "they don't matter anymore....again."

Maybe it makes me a cold-hearted SOB but I just want to win and Eli isn't going to just turn on his magic and be good again. I've fallen for the story line one to many times and I'm ready for change.

RE: Being a fan is supposed to be fun, emotional, and entertaining....  
Go Terps : 3/20/2019 11:13 am : link
In comment 14349201 Britt in VA said:
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I think people have lost sight of that.

You're not all junior GM's, sportswriters, or analysts.


We're trying to understand why the front office does what it does. If you're going to just tell us about what a fan of Eli you are then you might as well add a 'Z' to your handle so it's easier to know you're someone whose posts aren't worth reading.

We're all fans of Eli's. If criticism of him bothers you then you're probably too sensitive.
RE: If you are going to say Eli is as bad as Blake Bortles....  
Dnew15 : 3/20/2019 11:14 am : link
In comment 14349203 dep026 said:
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the bias shows.

Again, our fan base is terrible.


I love how my saying that he's terrible is bias - yet your saying that he can EASILY win games in the NFL is not.
Well, apparently you're not doing a good job of understanding....  
Britt in VA : 3/20/2019 11:15 am : link
and while I may admit an emotional attachment to the player because I'm a fan, I've also nailed the front office's thinking throughout this whole thing, and predicted almost everything they were going to do, before they did it.

So maybe I also have an understanding of what they are thinking.

Unless you think Jints Central is equivalent of emotional posters on a message board.

Dave Gettlemanz.
And I think my posting history on this board....  
Britt in VA : 3/20/2019 11:16 am : link
going on nearly 20 years is fine, but if you don't want to read it then go ahead and add a z.
You're right  
dep026 : 3/20/2019 11:17 am : link
Eli forgot how to play QB.

He has been the reason for their downfall the last two years. I mean its sad that people on this site have propped up guys like Blake Bortles, Macus Mariotta, Alex Smith, Mitch Trubisky, have made Goff an already HOF, Nick Foles, etcc.... as winners and Eli as a loser.

Just f'n weird.
RE: Well, apparently you're not doing a good job of understanding....  
Go Terps : 3/20/2019 11:20 am : link
In comment 14349231 Britt in VA said:
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and while I may admit an emotional attachment to the player because I'm a fan, I've also nailed the front office's thinking throughout this whole thing, and predicted almost everything they were going to do, before they did it.

So maybe I also have an understanding of what they are thinking.

Unless you think Jints Central is equivalent of emotional posters on a message board.

Dave Gettlemanz.


You've been pretty accurate in what they've been thinking, and what they've been thinking has usually led to more losing.
My point is, like most things....  
Britt in VA : 3/20/2019 11:25 am : link
it doesn't have to be black or white, either or.

I can have an emotional fan attachment to a players, and still look at that player's status on the team realistically. Which I've clearly done.

The Giants can rebuild while trying to field a competitive roster.

The Giants can find a new QB while the current one is still playing.
Sure they can  
Go Terps : 3/20/2019 11:31 am : link
It's just not a good allocation of resources.

I think the Giants are making QB decisions with a high degree of subjectivity and it's clouding their judgment.
RE: Well, apparently you're not doing a good job of understanding....  
Lambuth_Special : 3/20/2019 11:45 am : link
In comment 14349231 Britt in VA said:
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Unless you think Jints Central is equivalent of emotional posters on a message board.

Dave Gettlemanz.


Well, I think jtgiants' recent post about being frustrated about the league/media/fanbase's perceptions of Eli indicates that yes, there is a contingent at Jints Central that emotional about him similar to posters here at BBI.

It wasn't "Eli can serve as the best option as he finishes his contract," it was "Eli is going to prove the haters wrong next year!" which sounds inspiring but also seems off for a professional team to operate.
RE: You're right  
Dnew15 : 3/20/2019 11:46 am : link
In comment 14349236 dep026 said:
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Eli forgot how to play QB.

He has been the reason for their downfall the last two years. I mean its sad that people on this site have propped up guys like Blake Bortles, Macus Mariotta, Alex Smith, Mitch Trubisky, have made Goff an already HOF, Nick Foles, etcc.... as winners and Eli as a loser.

Just f'n weird.


Eli didn't forget how to play QB.
Derek Jeter didn't forget how to play SS.
Messier didn't forget how to be a centerman.
Ewing didn't forget how to play C.
They lost to the undefeated Father Time - and there's no shame in that game.
It ain't personal.
RE: Sure they can  
Dnew15 : 3/20/2019 11:48 am : link
In comment 14349288 Go Terps said:
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It's just not a good allocation of resources.

I think the Giants are making QB decisions with a high degree of subjectivity and it's clouding their judgment.


I'll give Jints Central this...if they don't love a QB this year, no one will sell more tickets that's available than Eli Manning. And as much as I would like to believe that it's the FO's job to win games above all else...it's not. It's to sell tickets.

I would love it  
figgy2989 : 3/20/2019 11:57 am : link
If I came on here and never saw "Jints Central" again.

RE: I would love it  
Dnew15 : 3/20/2019 11:59 am : link
In comment 14349351 figgy2989 said:
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If I came on here and never saw "Jints Central" again.


HAHAHAA - first time I every typed that, where did that phrase come from and who started it?
RE: RE: I would love it  
figgy2989 : 3/20/2019 12:01 pm : link
In comment 14349362 Dnew15 said:
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In comment 14349351 figgy2989 said:


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If I came on here and never saw "Jints Central" again.




HAHAHAA - first time I every typed that, where did that phrase come from and who started it?


Our resident Redskins fan, bw in DC can't go a day on here without mentioning it at least once. It is used as as a slight when referring to the Giants brass.
I Don't Know  
Lambuth_Special : 3/20/2019 12:18 pm : link
Why "Jints Central" is treated like some offensive slur around here. It's catchier than saying "Giants front office."
RE: Like most of these threads, this is redundant and dumb....  
Thegratefulhead : 3/20/2019 12:23 pm : link
In comment 14349002 Britt in VA said:
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and I'm starting to be annoyed with myself for getting roped into them time after time.
None of us can help it. I have talked myself into not posting about Eli numerous times. I read these threads like conversations with my childhood friends in a bar and then someone says something that hits a nerve and "They pull me back in" Is what it is Britt.
RE: RE: RE: RE: For a single season  
Thegratefulhead : 3/20/2019 12:31 pm : link
In comment 14348624 bw in dc said:
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I’ve no issue with that. I had Stidham late in my mental mock.

And I’ve said here many times, that I would actually pick a QB in the mid to late rounds every single draft. Thats regardless of the age or tenure of my starter. That’s my lottery ticket and one day it would pay off. Nassib. Webb, Lauletta...I’m okay with them all. Just so long as you cut bait as soon as you know their ceiling.



Speaking my language now. I would draft a QB every year, too - somewhere. It's a very wise strategy because it will pay a dividend sooner or later. And you can never have enough quality at that position.
Mine too. FWIW I think the Giants agree. We have done this a lot. We haven't been able to develop any of them though. Kind of puts a hole in how great it is to sit and watch behind Eli. They don't get to play and they don't get reps because Eli always plays and practices. Eli is no Pipp. Development of players is one the areas I find lacking for the Giants. We have drafted a lot of OLs in later rounds too and none of them have panned out either. DG found them in Carolina, I want him to find some here.
RE: RE: Like most of these threads, this is redundant and dumb....  
Britt in VA : 3/20/2019 12:41 pm : link
In comment 14349424 Thegratefulhead said:
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In comment 14349002 Britt in VA said:


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and I'm starting to be annoyed with myself for getting roped into them time after time.

None of us can help it. I have talked myself into not posting about Eli numerous times. I read these threads like conversations with my childhood friends in a bar and then someone says something that hits a nerve and "They pull me back in" Is what it is Britt.


Pretty accurate description of how I feel about it, as well.
RE: Yeah, I have an emotional attachment to a guy...  
Gatorade Dunk : 3/20/2019 12:50 pm : link
In comment 14349194 Britt in VA said:
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That is one of the greatest players to ever take the field for the New York Giants, and helped deliver 2 Superbowl Championships after a 17 year drought.

A guy that has started every game (except one) for the Giants, though me being single at 24 and seeing him as a rookie in training camp, to being married, buying my first house, to having a puppy, my first child, my second child, buying my second house, losing an old dog that was a puppy when the guy was playing QB, to now that I'm a 43 year old man. Every Sunday, every fall, through all that I could put on my Eli jersey and root like hell for the Giants, make a Giants fan out of my wife and our two children. Pass down what was passed down to me as a kid in the 80's.

15 years is a looooong time. Yeah, I like the guy, I'm a fan. Tell me why that's bad again?

How old were you when Eli because QB?

How the hell did you age 19 years over the course of Eli's 15 year career? Or do you age even faster than some fans think Eli does?
Britt??  
FatMan in Charlotte : 3/20/2019 12:53 pm : link
Is that you??
typo. I was 28....  
Britt in VA : 3/20/2019 12:55 pm : link
in 2004
But the last 6-7 years, along with marriage,  
Britt in VA : 3/20/2019 12:56 pm : link
can do that to you.
RE: Britt??  
Big Blue '56 : 3/20/2019 12:58 pm : link
In comment 14349469 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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Is that you??


No, that’s John Clayton’s wife
RE: Twosteps  
Racer : 3/20/2019 1:11 pm : link
In comment 14346950 jtgiants said:
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You really don't know much about football do you? This post explains alot


Made my day in less than 15 words. Thanks.
It is the old school  
Dnew15 : 3/20/2019 1:16 pm : link
argument you kick around with your buddies at the bar.
There is no definitive answer to a lot this discussion - it's what makes it fun to debate.

I think this LeVeon Bell piece is what I’m saying  
twostepgiants : 3/20/2019 9:40 pm : link
“Ben won a Super Bowl, but he won when he was younger,’’ Bell said. “Now he’s at this stage where he tries to control everything and [the team] let him get there.’’

Bell believes Roethlisberger’s role with the organization allowed him to play favorites — to the detriment of the team, which has seen the departure of two of the best offensive players in the league this offseason, with Bell signing with the Jets and Brown, the star wide receiver, traded to Oakland after a falling out with Roethlisberger.

“So if I’m mad at a player and I’m not throwing him the ball — if I’m not throwing [Brown] the ball and I’m giving JuJu [Smith-Schuster] all the shine or Jesse [James] or Vance [McDonald] or whoever it is and you know consciously you’re making your other receiver mad but you don’t care, it’s hard to win that way,” Bell said.


Obviously the situation with Giants & Eli is different but I think the concept is the same. I don’t think he is playing favorites to the WRs but I think the organization is allowing him to power and not enough accountability

JTGIANTS even alleges the Giants have a handshake agreement with Eli to start and therefore won’t draft a QB at 6
RE: I Don't Know  
.McL. : 3/20/2019 11:22 pm : link
In comment 14349413 Lambuth_Special said:
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Why "Jints Central" is treated like some offensive slur around here. It's catchier than saying "Giants front office."

You may be too young to know about it...

But wayyyy back when (like the 70s), before you could follow your favorite team on the internet, many newspapers derogatorily referred to the Giant's Front Office as Jints Central... This was at a time when the organization didn't even qualify as a joke...
RE: With a good OLine in front of him, Barkley,  
Jersey55 : 3/22/2019 4:53 pm : link
In comment 14346909 Tom [Giants fan] said:
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competent WR's and TE, Eli will have his best year. He is NOT the problem. Now, will he have a ton of yards? Probably not since they will probably run the ball more with Barkley and Gallman. But his completion percentage will be higher and I believe his TD to INT ratio will be very solid. The people around Eli has been the problem and I think they are finally fixing that. One more year for Eli and the playoffs are a possibility if they can do something with the defense.


anybody who can't see that Eli is a huge part of the problem is also a part of the problem....
RE: RE: You're comparing what people are willing to pay for him now  
Jersey55 : 3/22/2019 4:56 pm : link
In comment 14349135 Dnew15 said:
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In comment 14349104 Bill L said:


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versus what the Giants agreed to pay him in the past. They are not operating under the same conditions. If they choose to keep him, and they do, then they are bound by the contract.

It would only be apples to apples if the Giants and everyone else competitively *and contemporaneously* bid and only the Giants offered to him that much money.



I totally agree - you are right it's hard to compare since he is currently under contract.
My point is simply keeping Eli at the price they are keeping him at is a big part of the problem.
Not only do I believe that Eli is done - but paying him $23 million dollars (which is way above market value) is compounding the problem since it prohibits them from making other moves to improve the team around him in the rebuilding process.


this team is going to be running in mud until they part ways with Eli, he is just sucking money away from this franchise and I can't believe that Giants management doesn't see this.....
i glanced at the OP  
RasputinPrime : 3/22/2019 6:49 pm : link
what a steaming pile of shit.
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