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Eli Manning IS the Problem.

twostepgiants : 3/19/2019 9:27 am
Eli Manning IS the Problem. He is the cloud. He is the rot.

In the aftermath of the Odell Beckham trade, BBI seemed to expel a collective sign of relief that the “cloud” hanging over the Giants has passed and that there had been a “rot” that set in for a culture of accepting losing.

It is my contention that the “cloud” hanging over this organization is Eli and the “rot” that set in began when the New York Giants began worrying about things other than winning and putting Eli Mannings concerns and needs above everyone else’s.

It is not my contention to argue about the Beckham trade as it’s possible to make the right move for the wrong reasons. The Beckham trade is irrelevant to this argument and I am not arguing for or against that trade.

One of the things that struck me during the BBI aftermath was a poster who told the story of the Bill Parcells and Phil Simms sideline fight. The new detail was that this was over a single play call In a game that they were winning big. I have also heard Phil Simms tell a similar story about Parcells and there was a constant theme of Parcells placing winning above all else and you create that environment by holding everyone accountable and placing no one player beyond that and never resting on accolades.

The New York Giants have placed Eli Manning above everyone else and he is treated differently and the Giants feel Eli is maybe owed something for winning the two Super Bowls.

A few examples stand out -

The Giants hired Ben McAdoo largely on “continuity” with the “quarterback” as said by John Mara at the opening press conference. The Giants at that point had 3 non-playoff years, had already suffered through the 2013 debacle that saw Mara call for an entire new offense and system and the promotion of a young OC with very limited success was all about Eli’s familiarity with the system and the progression of the offense numbers in the 2 years from bottoming out in 2013. Ignored was the fact that it was due to the arrival of Odell and that it never reached the heights of the Gilbride offense.

Despite the fact that the Giants were losing, the comfortableness of their 35 year old QB was what made the Head Coaching decision.

This was the time to overhaul the culture of a losing team that had grown comfortable. Instead the message was clear- Eli was above the rest of the Giants and not part of the losing.

Tom Coughlin final press conference kinda summed up this by attitude saying “Eli, it’s not you. it’s us”. This attitude has infected the organization and its fan base. Eli was absolved from any connection to the results of the team he leads

Contract wise the Giants continued to give Eli a free pass despite the losing and treat him as the one of the elite in the game. The Giants never even had a contentious negotiation with him as they gave a 4-year extension in the offseason of 2015 that made him the #3 paid in the NFL just behind Aaron Rodgers and Russell Wilson by under a million per season. As a bonus, the Giants gave Eli a “no trade” clause just to ensure his status.

The point of no return was reached when Eli was benched for Geno Smith. In the heat of the insulting benching for Geno Smith (and it was insulting and I’m not defending that decision) what was lost on everyone was how far the Giants had gone in putting Eli above the team and how far Eli had gone as well.

Looking at the situation objectively, right or wrong the Head Coach informed the Player of a new plan for his playing time. The Player rejected this plan and instead was benched by his Head Coach. The Player holds a media session answering all manners of questions about how things occurred and why

Removing the names from the situation allows us to see more clearly. Only once you assign pre-earned status to the situation does it become acceptable for the Player to even reject this plan because it is beneath him.

Then the Player issues a statement and holds a media session and answers media questions with uncharacteristic emotion and honesty about the details of its handling.

There are a lot of players names I can insert in those spots above that would have everyone screaming for their heads.

Then what occurs is the Head Coach and General Manager are fired one game after this decision and the Player is reinstated to his starting position.

What is the message to the team? Don’t mess with Eli Manning. He is above you. Even the the GM and the HC.

It strikes me that the only time I’ve ever seen Eli Manning get emotional after any of the multitudes of losing seasons or games is after his benching. I’ve never seen him express any but the most basic vague sense of frustration. Type in Google “Eli Manning emotional” and you will only get his benching.

It also strikes me that Eli gave details about his benching. How he was told, who told him, what he was told and even talked about the streak and the thinking behind the McAdoo plan. He gave His feelings and his thoughts as he cried in front of the media and his teammates in the locker room. This was the only time I can recall him doing this. This certainly wasn’t his response to support his teammates who might have done the similar. Then Eli would talk about the need to keep things “in-house” so they don’t cause “distractions”.

Why do we know more details about this decision than virtually any other Giants decision? Eli made it so and created a massive media controversy out of it. What Manning could have done was say nothing about any of that. He was benched. Accept that your head coach chose to bench you. Manning did not. He was saying he was accepting but his actions betrayed that. There’s a scenario that could have existed where all these details were never made public and all we ever knew that was McAdoo benched Eli for Geno and eventually Webb as they stated back then was the plan when the gIants were 2-7.

I would have to say in almost all situations from any other player, the above scenario would be viewed as unacceptable.

Lets be honest, Eli threw McAdoo under an uncessary bus. It was Eli he brought up the Streak and that he thought it was morally or ethically unacceptable to play football that way. That’s a judgement on your Head Coach, The reason Eli brought it up was to explain why he didn’t accept his benching,

We have our GM who cited one game from 2018 as evidence that Eli still has “it” and this year has cited only the second half of the season as evidence. Interesting, I wonder what the other players on the roster think of this evaluation and if they are held to the same lax standards and not all 16 games.

The cloud over this organization is Eli Manning. The rot is an underperforming and overpaid player who has consistently been treated above everyone else. He has been paid more than any player in NFL history and never had even an ounce of issues getting all of that money from ownership. He has barely missed a snap of playing time in his career (and I don’t mean that in an Iron Man positive streak way but in a how has he never been pulled from a game for poor play until this season) or had a viable backup drafted that could challenge him for reps and playing time. Both McAdoos hiring and firing as Head Coach were tied to his relationship to Eli.

Now we see Odell Beckham traded and as he is going out the door we are getting the leaks. The perception of Odell being traded is that he ran afoul of Eli by getting upset at his play and through to the Lil Wayne interview where his primary offense was that he didn’t support or defend Eli. It even seems a lot of people have accepted that others like Sterling Shepherd, who were “corrupted” by Odell will soon follow.

The cloud remains.

Do we really believe that the players don’t see the above. They don’t know we have an overpaid, underperforming player at the most important position? That he has no problem getting, that he has no challenges to his job or playing time? The GMs, HCs are fired and star players will get traded. That’s the cloud. That’s the rot. This is no longer a merit based team where every player is treated the same. Type in Eli Manning Frustrated into Google and you do not quotes from him being frustrated with losing but instead players being frustrated with his play.

And if you can’t see what is plainly obvious, then let’s look at big picture

Twitter › PaulHembo
Eli Manning since 2012
64 QB losses (most in NFL)
134 turnovers (most in NFL)
$131M cap hit (most in NFL)
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I think this LeVeon Bell piece is what I’m saying  
twostepgiants : 3/20/2019 9:40 pm : link
“Ben won a Super Bowl, but he won when he was younger,’’ Bell said. “Now he’s at this stage where he tries to control everything and [the team] let him get there.’’

Bell believes Roethlisberger’s role with the organization allowed him to play favorites — to the detriment of the team, which has seen the departure of two of the best offensive players in the league this offseason, with Bell signing with the Jets and Brown, the star wide receiver, traded to Oakland after a falling out with Roethlisberger.

“So if I’m mad at a player and I’m not throwing him the ball — if I’m not throwing [Brown] the ball and I’m giving JuJu [Smith-Schuster] all the shine or Jesse [James] or Vance [McDonald] or whoever it is and you know consciously you’re making your other receiver mad but you don’t care, it’s hard to win that way,” Bell said.


Obviously the situation with Giants & Eli is different but I think the concept is the same. I don’t think he is playing favorites to the WRs but I think the organization is allowing him to power and not enough accountability

JTGIANTS even alleges the Giants have a handshake agreement with Eli to start and therefore won’t draft a QB at 6
RE: I Don't Know  
.McL. : 3/20/2019 11:22 pm : link
In comment 14349413 Lambuth_Special said:
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Why "Jints Central" is treated like some offensive slur around here. It's catchier than saying "Giants front office."

You may be too young to know about it...

But wayyyy back when (like the 70s), before you could follow your favorite team on the internet, many newspapers derogatorily referred to the Giant's Front Office as Jints Central... This was at a time when the organization didn't even qualify as a joke...
RE: With a good OLine in front of him, Barkley,  
Jersey55 : 3/22/2019 4:53 pm : link
In comment 14346909 Tom [Giants fan] said:
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competent WR's and TE, Eli will have his best year. He is NOT the problem. Now, will he have a ton of yards? Probably not since they will probably run the ball more with Barkley and Gallman. But his completion percentage will be higher and I believe his TD to INT ratio will be very solid. The people around Eli has been the problem and I think they are finally fixing that. One more year for Eli and the playoffs are a possibility if they can do something with the defense.


anybody who can't see that Eli is a huge part of the problem is also a part of the problem....
RE: RE: You're comparing what people are willing to pay for him now  
Jersey55 : 3/22/2019 4:56 pm : link
In comment 14349135 Dnew15 said:
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In comment 14349104 Bill L said:


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versus what the Giants agreed to pay him in the past. They are not operating under the same conditions. If they choose to keep him, and they do, then they are bound by the contract.

It would only be apples to apples if the Giants and everyone else competitively *and contemporaneously* bid and only the Giants offered to him that much money.



I totally agree - you are right it's hard to compare since he is currently under contract.
My point is simply keeping Eli at the price they are keeping him at is a big part of the problem.
Not only do I believe that Eli is done - but paying him $23 million dollars (which is way above market value) is compounding the problem since it prohibits them from making other moves to improve the team around him in the rebuilding process.


this team is going to be running in mud until they part ways with Eli, he is just sucking money away from this franchise and I can't believe that Giants management doesn't see this.....
i glanced at the OP  
RasputinPrime : 3/22/2019 6:49 pm : link
what a steaming pile of shit.
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