Assuming the Giants take a QB at either 6 or 17, and assuming the best value at our other first round pick is equal between Edge and OT, which direction do you feel the Giants will go:
they need a pass rush. They have on paper improved the OL to serviceable, and according to DG yesterday, once he fixed the line last season the offense played well. I look as Edge (and defense in general) as the biggest non-qb need on this team.
the question has merit but that assumes all else wenta s plan. The first part is it is very difficult to assume what we did @6 if you are saying at 17 we took a QB.. Far easier guessing what we would do at 17 if 6 is a QB but still not simple of obvious.
I think we should look at what is more likely to happen in the draft besides specifically what we will do. If the Draft sees no trades in the top 5 picks and with that, no QB's selected in those 5 picks what then would be the likely scenario for the Giants? Say Williams, Bosa, Allen, White and Sweat go (arguments sake), do we take Murray here? If we don't, do we trade back or take another position player?
These debates are easier to have with possible scenarios than if we take a QB at this pick or that pick what do we do with the other pick. I think we really should look at those top 5 picks and see what is the possible outcomes there and then get a feel for what we can do at 6.
Especially when these QB’s aren’t very good? Even DG said yesterday he’s not going to force a pick. If he takes a QB at 6, that’s exactly what he’ll be guilty of doing.
DG and PS said that their post season presser and I will paraphrase - the defense is a mess and it needs to be fixed. I believe DG goes ER/OLB/DE with 2 of the 3 1st picks and goes OT with the 3rd.
But to play this game if they go Lock or Jones at #6 they go ER at #17 if he is highest rated on the board.
but it really illustrates the conundrum. We have broader holes with more exigent need considering what we already have decided.
Ugh, can't you just play along with the scenario I created? I'm not pretending it's the scenario that will play out, but it is the one I've been thinking about and wondering which direction the Giants might go in given the circumstances. Thus my seeking the opinions of BBIers!
Especially when these QB’s aren’t very good? Even DG said yesterday he’s not going to force a pick. If he takes a QB at 6, that’s exactly what he’ll be guilty of doing.
Ugh, can't you just play along with the scenario I created? I'm not pretending it's the scenario that will play out, but it is the one I've been thinking about and wondering which direction the Giants might go in given the circumstances. Thus my seeking the opinions of BBIers!
we need a good 3-4 DE... So I am looking at Oliver and others because the draft isn't deep there. I can get some pass rushing edge players a little later and it is deep in OL.
I am leaning towards BPA with both picks, QB be damned. Team needs a successor at QB desperately but you can’t force it and I don’t know that any of these guys are worth it. It’s why I wanted Darnold last year.
Front end of the draft is loaded at edge and they’ll go quickly Â
Get a top line edge rusher with one of those picks, and another good - hopefully great - player with the other pick. That player could be any of several positions including OT, DT, ILB, CB, WR, maybe TE, maybe even another edge rusher.
If the belief is you can win with Eli in 2019, then use your resources to build the best possible team to help him do that. Taking a QB to sit him is a waste both of a resource that can contribute immediately and of a year of that rookie contract.
If the belief is you can win with Eli in 2019, then use your resources to build the best possible team to help him do that. Taking a QB to sit him is a waste both of a resource that can contribute immediately and of a year of that rookie contract.
As is, I can see them using #6, 17, 37 all on D.
I think we should look at what is more likely to happen in the draft besides specifically what we will do. If the Draft sees no trades in the top 5 picks and with that, no QB's selected in those 5 picks what then would be the likely scenario for the Giants? Say Williams, Bosa, Allen, White and Sweat go (arguments sake), do we take Murray here? If we don't, do we trade back or take another position player?
These debates are easier to have with possible scenarios than if we take a QB at this pick or that pick what do we do with the other pick. I think we really should look at those top 5 picks and see what is the possible outcomes there and then get a feel for what we can do at 6.
As is, I can see them using #6, 17, 37 all on D.
agree here as well.
But to play this game if they go Lock or Jones at #6 they go ER at #17 if he is highest rated on the board.
That being said, they will go ER at #6.
In the scenario I created, the BPA is a tie between OT and Edge. So, my question is: Which direction do you feel the Giants will go?
Ugh, can't you just play along with the scenario I created? I'm not pretending it's the scenario that will play out, but it is the one I've been thinking about and wondering which direction the Giants might go in given the circumstances. Thus my seeking the opinions of BBIers!
Ugh, can't you just play along with the scenario I created? I'm not pretending it's the scenario that will play out, but it is the one I've been thinking about and wondering which direction the Giants might go in given the circumstances. Thus my seeking the opinions of BBIers!
As is, I can see them using #6, 17, 37 all on D.
Bingo. According to Dave TE 22 teams this year listed Edge Rush as a high need. 22.
Sweat, Jaylon Ferguson, Burns (less size) my guess as our guys after Bosa, Q Will and Allen.
giants aren't winning shit this year
Bottom line I think they go D with two of their top three picks and OL with the other.
As is, I can see them using #6, 17, 37 all on D.
I can see that but what do we do about WRs to play the outside?
Just get the QB next year.
Just get the QB next year.
And who says we couldn't find common ground?
+1
There's no better strategy than taking the best players possible at 6 and 17.
Beyond that; DG can target need/values in later rounds.
The only two definitive non-needs on this team are OG and RB.