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Peppers + Murray for Beckham + 6th Overall

Finch : 3/19/2019 11:17 am
I’ll preference this by saying I don’t think the Cardinals pass on Murray but if he were to fall to 2nd overall, SF would be the spot to trade up with to land our QB of the future.

I don’t think it would be crazy for the Giants to trade their 2 1st + 3rd picks to move up to 2 overall and draft Murray. In this scenario, we effectively traded Beckham and 6th overall for Murray and Peppers. If this were “the plan”, what do you guys think? Would the Beckham trade be worth it?
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/19/2019 11:19 am : link
For a 5'10'' QB?

Doesn't seem like a Giants-like move to me.
Before he grew the game-changing 1 inch,  
Big Blue '56 : 3/19/2019 11:21 am : link
Many here were remote throwing if EITHER Murray or Haskins were even taken at 6..What exactly has changed? His new growth or his 32 or so throws at his Pro Day?
PASS  
Rick in Dallas : 3/19/2019 11:22 am : link
Strength of this draft is DL and OL. You win in the NFL when you control the LOS on both sides of the ball.
Don’t reach for QB this year.
RE: Before he grew the game-changing 1 inch,  
Jay on the Island : 3/19/2019 11:27 am : link
In comment 14347234 Big Blue '56 said:
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Many here were remote throwing if EITHER Murray or Haskins were even taken at 6..What exactly has changed? His new growth or his 32 or so throws at his Pro Day?

I was in support of taking him when it was assumed that he was 5’9 bc a quarter inch doesn’t make any difference.
I  
BP in Delray : 3/19/2019 11:27 am : link
watched Shurmur and Gettleman's presser after drafting Lauletta last year, and Shurumur multiple times referenced that he's "tall enough". Said it multiple times.

They definitely value height.
Better talent next year  
Chip : 3/19/2019 11:28 am : link
Don't settle this year on a QB when you can get a great player on Defense.
I agree with the people who say to build the lines  
arniefez : 3/19/2019 11:32 am : link
Look at some of the QB's that have been in the playoffs the past few years.

Obviously the Giants have to find a new QB. 2019 will eb Eli's last year. The next QB will have a much better chance to win than Eli did the last 5 years with the OL and DL the Giants have had.
God let the draft get here already  
allstarjim : 3/19/2019 11:33 am : link
If you are going to mortgage the future on a QB, he better check ALL the boxes.

Not a dimunitive QB who also might not be the brightest bulb on the Christmas tree who also doesn't NEED to play football and any day can roll over and decide he wants to go play baseball.

If you stay at 6, you're very likely going to get an exceptional talent.
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Blue21 : 3/19/2019 11:33 am : link
In comment 14347231 Eric from BBI said:
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For a 5'10'' QB?

Doesn't seem like a Giants-like move to me.


I agree. I would be shocked if they traded up for Murray. Even if he falls to 6 I don't see it. I could see them trading back if this happens and someone wanted Murray and get extra picks.
By all accounts  
tony71 : 3/19/2019 11:36 am : link
SF wanted Beckham bad but refused to give up the 2nd pick. Was it because they didn’t think he was worth a 2nd, or do they have plans for it? I wouldn’t be surprised if they ya e someone already in mind.
Lock's pro day on March 21st  
Pete from Woodstock : 3/19/2019 11:37 am : link
will tell a lot. I have a funny feeling they are going to go after him. Tall, strong arm, very mobile, smart, good leader, good character. Sit a year, work on footwork and learn behind Eli. He's kind of like Mahomes. (who people also said is similar to Jay Cutler!)
Daniel Jeremiahs review - ( New Window )
I'm all for Kyler...  
90.Cal : 3/19/2019 11:42 am : link
But I have zero faith he will become a Giant... EVEN IF we traded up to #1 or EVEN IF he was on the board at 6... would love it but I 'feel' like this team would take a scrub like Daniel Jones over Kyler.. this team is a mess right now... praying for a great draft class this year otherwise we may stink for alot longer than any of us would like...
RE: Lock's pro day on March 21st  
90.Cal : 3/19/2019 11:43 am : link
In comment 14347281 Pete from Woodstock said:
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will tell a lot. I have a funny feeling they are going to go after him. Tall, strong arm, very mobile, smart, good leader, good character. Sit a year, work on footwork and learn behind Eli. He's kind of like Mahomes. (who people also said is similar to Jay Cutler!) Daniel Jeremiahs review - ( New Window )


I like Lock better than Haskins... wouldn't be my favorite pick but I wouldn't be mad if we took him with our first pick
not only height with Murray  
bluepepper : 3/19/2019 11:49 am : link
but also real doubts he can handle the NY media. The Casserly report shouldn't be dismissed. Giants want a face of the franchise type guy and Murray might be problematic on that count.
Whether or not it is worth it depends on how Murray pans out  
Mike in NJ : 3/19/2019 11:51 am : link
If he is Russell Wilson 2.0, then I think that would be a win for the Giants. If he ends up being more in line with like Marcus Mariota, then no that would be a bad trade.
RE: Whether or not it is worth it depends on how Murray pans out  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/19/2019 11:52 am : link
In comment 14347326 Mike in NJ said:
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If he is Russell Wilson 2.0, then I think that would be a win for the Giants. If he ends up being more in line with like Marcus Mariota, then no that would be a bad trade.


I wouldn't give up two #1's for a Russell Wilson-type QB, but that's me.
RE: RE: Whether or not it is worth it depends on how Murray pans out  
battttles : 3/19/2019 12:05 pm : link
In comment 14347332 Eric from BBI said:
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If he is Russell Wilson 2.0, then I think that would be a win for the Giants. If he ends up being more in line with like Marcus Mariota, then no that would be a bad trade.



I wouldn't give up two #1's for a Russell Wilson-type QB, but that's me.


Eric this is a terrible take. Russ has been a top 5 QB in the league since he was drafted. Accurate, durable, elusive, efficient, and a great leader. You wouldn't give two 1s for someone like that? If the Giants see Kyler in that mold I'd give more than 6 and 17.
No thanks  
ZogZerg : 3/19/2019 12:05 pm : link
If the Cards don't take him, then we know to stay away!
RE: RE: Whether or not it is worth it depends on how Murray pans out  
Mike in NJ : 3/19/2019 12:06 pm : link
In comment 14347332 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 14347326 Mike in NJ said:


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If he is Russell Wilson 2.0, then I think that would be a win for the Giants. If he ends up being more in line with like Marcus Mariota, then no that would be a bad trade.



I wouldn't give up two #1's for a Russell Wilson-type QB, but that's me.


It's pretty hard to argue that Wilson hasn't been a top 5 quarterback over the last 5 or 6 years. He won 1 Super Bowl, and should have won a 2nd. Seattle hasn't had a losing season since he has been there, his overall record as a starter is 75-36-1. 5x Pro Bowler....you don't think that is worth trading for?
RE: Better talent next year  
Dave : 3/19/2019 12:10 pm : link
In comment 14347260 Chip said:
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Don't settle this year on a QB when you can get a great player on Defense.


+1
Arizona  
Philu916 : 3/19/2019 12:12 pm : link
Think they’d be stupid to take Kyler over Bosa especially when they have Rosen.
Problem is load up on talent  
eli4life : 3/19/2019 12:17 pm : link
We should be much better and nowhere near one of the top guys.

Side note on smaller qb’s the game has definitely changed prototypical guys 5 to 10 years ago doesn’t seem to be the case anymore. Seems like a lot of fans here myself included have a hard time embracing this.
Absolutely worth it  
BillT : 3/19/2019 12:22 pm : link
Murray is going to be one of the most dynamic players in the NFL. He'd be a steal for those picks.
I love Calamari, and I'm all in...  
SHO'NUFF : 3/19/2019 12:31 pm : link
I do have to admit, however, that something is off with his interview skills.
RE: RE: RE: Whether or not it is worth it depends on how Murray pans out  
BillT : 3/19/2019 12:37 pm : link
In comment 14347369 Mike in NJ said:
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If he is Russell Wilson 2.0, then I think that would be a win for the Giants. If he ends up being more in line with like Marcus Mariota, then no that would be a bad trade.



I wouldn't give up two #1's for a Russell Wilson-type QB, but that's me.



It's pretty hard to argue that Wilson hasn't been a top 5 quarterback over the last 5 or 6 years. He won 1 Super Bowl, and should have won a 2nd. Seattle hasn't had a losing season since he has been there, his overall record as a starter is 75-36-1. 5x Pro Bowler....you don't think that is worth trading for?

Yeah, having the next Russell Wilson would really suck.
if I am trading up  
Amtoft : 3/19/2019 12:48 pm : link
I am not taking a chance on anyone not named Bosa, Josh Allen, or Q Williams. The only was we can move up with all the needs we have is if we are getting a lock stud player and Murray has questions.

So would I trade Beckham and 6th for Peppers and Nick Bosa... Yeah I might.
This would make me physically ill  
montanagiant : 3/19/2019 1:19 pm : link
And make me run to the Anti-DG crew.
Why so polarizing?  
exiled : 3/19/2019 1:21 pm : link
It’s crazy. People either live the guy or want nothing to do with him. I don’t really follow college ball, so I’ve never seen him play. I know he’s not tall. Other than that, what’s his down side?
highly unlikely  
gidiefor : Mod : 3/19/2019 1:23 pm : link
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RE: Why so polarizing?  
montanagiant : 3/19/2019 1:50 pm : link
In comment 14347562 exiled said:
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It’s crazy. People either live the guy or want nothing to do with him. I don’t really follow college ball, so I’ve never seen him play. I know he’s not tall. Other than that, what’s his down side?

It's the cost, not the kid. You virtually are giving up 3 early picks in a draft that is loaded with talent at the multitude of spots we need players for.
I dont want Murray, so no I'm not on board  
PatersonPlank : 3/19/2019 2:00 pm : link
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If he falls to 6 (which he won't)  
Mike in ramapo college : 3/19/2019 2:00 pm : link
then he is worth the risk. Trading up for a potential boom/bust player is a foolish risk imo
Hell friggen no ...  
Bluesbreaker : 3/19/2019 2:01 pm : link
No guarantee he pans out and we have too many needs
we have to make this draft count . Who the heck knows
maybe DG likes Lock whom I would feel much better with
rather than Murray I like him better than Haskins
as well but its just an opinion . Too big a risk to
part with high picks in a stacked draft .
RE: RE: RE: Whether or not it is worth it depends on how Murray pans out  
JCin332 : 3/19/2019 2:04 pm : link
In comment 14347363 battttles said:
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If he is Russell Wilson 2.0, then I think that would be a win for the Giants. If he ends up being more in line with like Marcus Mariota, then no that would be a bad trade.



I wouldn't give up two #1's for a Russell Wilson-type QB, but that's me.



Eric this is a terrible take. Russ has been a top 5 QB in the league since he was drafted. Accurate, durable, elusive, efficient, and a great leader. You wouldn't give two 1s for someone like that? If the Giants see Kyler in that mold I'd give more than 6 and 17.


Russell Wilson has had a top 10 rushing offense pretty much his whole career...not to mention top defenses...in fact Seattle had the #1 defense in the NFL both years they made the SB...
The quarterback class may be better next year  
Reese's Pieces : 3/19/2019 2:08 pm : link
but if Giants come up with, say, the 17th pick in the first round the Giants won't be able to draft the one they want.

They'll have to pay with 2020 season 1st and 2nd picks to get any of the three or four top rated.

The quarterback is by far the player most influential of whether you win or lose. If he's there next month for two firsts and by "there" I mean that most of the league's best personnel people agree, they you take him and you won't even remember the defensive player you almost took instead, or the extra number one pick it cost you.
Baker  
battttles : 3/19/2019 2:11 pm : link
immediately made Cleveland a contender. That's the level of impact I'd expect from Kyler. The reward far outweighs the risk.

Truly hoping Eric's flawed dismissal of Kyler's upside is his own opinion and not at all informed by what he's heard.
RE: PASS  
GuzzaBlue : 3/19/2019 2:33 pm : link
In comment 14347241 Rick in Dallas said:
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Strength of this draft is DL and OL. You win in the NFL when you control the LOS on both sides of the ball.
Don’t reach for QB this year.


A(F'n)Men....reading comments crying about Beckham and finding WR's. You win at the LOS with and above average QB or better...end of story...year over year

Build a team suitable for a young QB to come into, first. If the QB happens to be there fine, but don't force it. Build the foundation first.
RE: RE: Why so polarizing?  
exiled : 3/19/2019 3:25 pm : link
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It's the cost, not the kid. You virtually are giving up 3 early picks in a draft that is loaded with talent at the multitude of spots we need players for.


Okay. That makes sense. Thanks Montana.
I don't think they're drafting a QB this year.  
Tom in NY : 3/19/2019 4:37 pm : link
They are going to go all in on getting Tua, Herbert, or Fromm as each of them are better than Murray, Haskins, Lock, and/or Jones.

I could actually see them trading back from #17 to get additional picks for next year, and offer multiple #1s to get to where they need to go.

The idea of Eli being booed off the field in order to get a rookie in, if he's playing poorly, is not something the Giants will want to face.
RE: ...  
SHO'NUFF : 3/19/2019 5:43 pm : link
In comment 14347231 Eric from BBI said:
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For a 5'10'' QB?

Doesn't seem like a Giants-like move to me.


A lot of good Giants-like moves did us in recent years... maybe that's the problem.
RE: RE: RE: Why so polarizing?  
montanagiant : 3/19/2019 6:56 pm : link
In comment 14347906 exiled said:
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It's the cost, not the kid. You virtually are giving up 3 early picks in a draft that is loaded with talent at the multitude of spots we need players for.



Okay. That makes sense. Thanks Montana.

No problem Exiled!
What have you seen  
Vegas Steve : 3/19/2019 6:59 pm : link
that make you believe he is a franchise QB worth all that draft capital
Bust  
Rolyrock : 3/19/2019 7:37 pm : link
potential to high.
RE: Better talent next year  
joeinpa : 3/19/2019 8:54 pm : link
In comment 14347260 Chip said:
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Don't settle this year on a QB when you can get a great player on Defense.


I keep reading this here. If only it were so easy
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