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Murray meeting with Cardinals today

DanMetroMan : 3/19/2019 2:19 pm
Aaron Wilson
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Heisman Trophy winner Kyler Murray is meeting on the Oklahoma campus with Cardinals GM Steve Keim and coach Kliff Kingsbury, according to a league source
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RE: Rosen  
Capt. Don : 3/19/2019 2:40 pm : link
In comment 14347744 Go Terps said:
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It's a move that should have been made before Eli got his bonus. You can make a good argument he'd be a better QB for the Giants in 2019 than Eli is.


Yup
according to JT, the Giants promised Eli he would start  
ron mexico : 3/19/2019 2:41 pm : link
no point in trading for Rosen if thats the case
RE: Rosen  
Now Mike in MD : 3/19/2019 2:42 pm : link
In comment 14347744 Go Terps said:
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It's a move that should have been made before Eli got his bonus. You can make a good argument he'd be a better QB for the Giants in 2019 than Eli is.


Yes, we should have forced Arizona to trade Rosen right now. How dumb of DG to not force AZ to do this. It takes two to tango.
RE: RE: RE: How anyone could be upset if the Giants acquire Rosen  
Danny Kanell : 3/19/2019 2:43 pm : link
In comment 14347773 NYG007 said:
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For #37, or less, makes no sense to me.

Understandably, itís unlikely, according to everything we have heard from jtgiants. I just donít get how someone could be mad at that scenario, in the position we are in.



Agreed



??? You don't give up a 2nd round pick for a guy they are FORCED to trade should they take Kyler. It's that obvious. No one else is giving up a 2. Now, 3rd rounder, ok.


Yes. I would 100% trade the 2nd round pick for him. A 3rd would be even better obviously.
RE: RE: Rosen  
Go Terps : 3/19/2019 2:44 pm : link
In comment 14347782 Now Mike in MD said:
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It's a move that should have been made before Eli got his bonus. You can make a good argument he'd be a better QB for the Giants in 2019 than Eli is.



Yes, we should have forced Arizona to trade Rosen right now. How dumb of DG to not force AZ to do this. It takes two to tango.


You think the Cardinals would say no to our second rounder? I don't.

I also don't think the Giants are even remotely interested in Rosen.
RE: RE: Rosen  
NYG007 : 3/19/2019 2:46 pm : link
In comment 14347750 section125 said:
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In comment 14347744 Go Terps said:


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It's a move that should have been made before Eli got his bonus. You can make a good argument he'd be a better QB for the Giants in 2019 than Eli is.



My God we agree...


Yes, in Madden. However, no one makes this trade before Kylers pro day. Dude could get hurt then you look like a jackars for trading. If they could bubble wrap him, Rosen would already be dealt.

Giants should have tried to force it to save the 17m, its just bad business not to try.
RE: RE: RE: How anyone could be upset if the Giants acquire Rosen  
Captplanet : 3/19/2019 2:46 pm : link
In comment 14347773 NYG007 said:
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For #37, or less, makes no sense to me.

Understandably, itís unlikely, according to everything we have heard from jtgiants. I just donít get how someone could be mad at that scenario, in the position we are in.



Agreed



??? You don't give up a 2nd round pick for a guy they are FORCED to trade should they take Kyler. It's that obvious. No one else is giving up a 2. Now, 3rd rounder, ok.


I don't think Rosen is worth a 3rd. The Jets traded Teddy Bridgewater(who has a proven track record) and a 6th, for a 3rd.
RE: according to JT, the Giants promised Eli he would start  
Matt in SGS : 3/19/2019 2:47 pm : link
In comment 14347781 ron mexico said:
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no point in trading for Rosen if thats the case


Rosen just turned 22. He's only about 5 months younger than Darnold. Having him sit on the bench, essentially at a good cost for a backup considering his cap spend already by the Cardinals his rookie year, and learn from Eli is not a bad thing at all. Give him a chance to learn Shurmur's offense. Learn what it takes to be a professional from Eli.

For a moment, let's say Shepard to the Patriots for their 2nd rounder is actually a thing. That pick is pretty much a 3rd rounder, but under the guise of a 2nd. The Patriots 2nd rounder for Rosen is an extremely fair deal.
RE: RE: according to JT, the Giants promised Eli he would start  
Matt in SGS : 3/19/2019 2:48 pm : link
In comment 14347801 Matt in SGS said:
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no point in trading for Rosen if thats the case



Rosen just turned 22. He's only about 5 months younger than Darnold. Having him sit on the bench, essentially at a good cost for a backup considering his cap spend already by the Cardinals his rookie year, and learn from Eli is not a bad thing at all. Give him a chance to learn Shurmur's offense. Learn what it takes to be a professional from Eli.

For a moment, let's say Shepard to the Patriots for their 2nd rounder is actually a thing. That pick is pretty much a 3rd rounder, but under the guise of a 2nd. The Patriots 2nd rounder for Rosen is an extremely fair deal.


Meant 5 months older than Darnold.
RE: RE: RE: Rosen  
Now Mike in MD : 3/19/2019 2:49 pm : link
In comment 14347792 Go Terps said:
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It's a move that should have been made before Eli got his bonus. You can make a good argument he'd be a better QB for the Giants in 2019 than Eli is.



Yes, we should have forced Arizona to trade Rosen right now. How dumb of DG to not force AZ to do this. It takes two to tango.



You think the Cardinals would say no to our second rounder? I don't.

I also don't think the Giants are even remotely interested in Rosen.


The point is that you have no idea how AZ is handling these discussion. Heck, you don't even know if they are taking offers now or are waiting until (a) they know definitively whether they are drafting Murray; and/or (b) are waiting until the draft draws closer to see if interest increases.

Yet, with no proof whatsoever that AZ is even listening to offers right now or that if they are, a 2nd rounder would have done the deal, you criticize the FO. That makes no sense whatsoever
If you're the cards  
The Dude : 3/19/2019 2:49 pm : link
when is the best time to trade Rosen. I'd assume value only goes down with each passing day, especially draft day?
Now Mike  
Go Terps : 3/19/2019 2:51 pm : link
I criticize the front office because their actions (and words) indicate they have no intention to move on from Eli.
RE: Rosen  
ColHowPepper : 3/19/2019 2:53 pm : link
In comment 14347744 Go Terps said:
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It's a move that should have been made before Eli got his bonus. You can make a good argument he'd be a better QB for the Giants in 2019 than Eli is.
Would have liked nothing better than to cut ties and save that $5m + his 2019 salary. But it would not only telegraph DG intentions on draft day, should Rosen not be signed before, but leaves the Giants in more difficult bargaining position, i.e., asking price for Rosen likely increases.
RE: Rosen  
bradshaw44 : 3/19/2019 2:54 pm : link
In comment 14347744 Go Terps said:
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It's a move that should have been made before Eli got his bonus. You can make a good argument he'd be a better QB for the Giants in 2019 than Eli is.


Doesn't the other team have to be willing to trade a player before your team can make the move?
A $5M bonus should not factor into anything..  
Sean : 3/19/2019 2:55 pm : link
Iím fine giving Eli $5M as a courtesy, but Rosen is low risk & potential high reward. Trade our high 2nd for him & go BPA at 6 & 17. Thatís a huge opportunity to really turn this thing around.
RE: If you're the cards  
Matt in SGS : 3/19/2019 2:57 pm : link
In comment 14347806 The Dude said:
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when is the best time to trade Rosen. I'd assume value only goes down with each passing day, especially draft day?


If they know they are getting Murray, his value does go down every day. Right now teams have spent cap money and the off-season programs will start soon. The best value for a young QB is to get him in a system as soon as you can to learn the playbook. The worst case (for Arizona) is he's still on the roster and they draft Murray. At that point, if I'm the Giants I'm offering a 3rd (or worse) because everyone knows they have to deal him. You are back to a Troy Aikman and Steve Walsh mess that Dallas had in 1989. Only they got bailed out by the Saints to trade for Walsh because they got fed up with Bobby Hebert.

If the Cardinals meeting with Murray goes well, and they decide he's the guy. Not pulling the trigger on Rosen asap makes no sense at all, unless you are concerned Murray gets hit by a bus between now and the draft.
RE: RE: RE: Rosen  
Gman11 : 3/19/2019 2:58 pm : link
In comment 14347796 NYG007 said:
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Giants should have tried to force it to save the 17m, its just bad business not to try.

How do you know they didn't?
We've been told by jtgiants to forget about Rosen  
Go Terps : 3/19/2019 2:59 pm : link
Maybe he's wrong, but he hasn't been wrong on much this offseason.
RE: We've been told by jtgiants to forget about Rosen  
Matt in SGS : 3/19/2019 3:00 pm : link
In comment 14347834 Go Terps said:
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Maybe he's wrong, but he hasn't been wrong on much this offseason.


He said Odell would be traded next year, not this year, because he didn't want Odell around a new QB. So maybe that means they are moving on to their new QB this year ;)
RE: We've been told by jtgiants to forget about Rosen  
Sean : 3/19/2019 3:01 pm : link
In comment 14347834 Go Terps said:
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Maybe he's wrong, but he hasn't been wrong on much this offseason.


You can forget about it if Eli is definitely coming back, because Rosen on the bench makes zero sense.
RE: RE: RE: RE: How anyone could be upset if the Giants acquire Rosen  
robbieballs2003 : 3/19/2019 3:04 pm : link
In comment 14347797 Captplanet said:
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For #37, or less, makes no sense to me.

Understandably, itís unlikely, according to everything we have heard from jtgiants. I just donít get how someone could be mad at that scenario, in the position we are in.



Agreed



??? You don't give up a 2nd round pick for a guy they are FORCED to trade should they take Kyler. It's that obvious. No one else is giving up a 2. Now, 3rd rounder, ok.



I don't think Rosen is worth a 3rd. The Jets traded Teddy Bridgewater(who has a proven track record) and a 6th, for a 3rd.


Hahaha. What? What is Bridgewater's track record? A QB that is trying to come back from a potentially career ending injury and 1 year left on his deal? Yeah, that is totally worth more than Rosen. Holy fuckin hell.
This thread really needs to  
Jimmy Googs : 3/19/2019 3:06 pm : link
start over...
RE: RE: How anyone could be upset if the Giants acquire Rosen  
Alex_Webster : 3/19/2019 3:14 pm : link
In comment 14347739 Matt in SGS said:
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For #37, or less, makes no sense to me.


couldn't the dolphins be in play too
Understandably, itís unlikely, according to everything we have heard from jtgiants. I just donít get how someone could be mad at that scenario, in the position we are in.



I think they can get him for a 3rd+. Makes me wonder if the Sterling Shepard deal has any merit, that pick will be utilized to defray the cost on Rosen. For that cost, for that contract (considering big up front money has been pad), and he will sit on the bench for Eli to start off, honestly, to me it's a no brainer. It's less risk than drafting a QB and allows the Giants to use premium picks to fill out their roster.
I really don't buy this notion  
ryanmkeane : 3/19/2019 3:15 pm : link
that the Giants aren't interested in Rosen. I understand what jt said and what Jon said. The day before Beckham got traded, Sy said "the NYG aren't trading Beckham."

From all reports, we had Rosen ranked very highly last year and possibly on par with Darnold. We spent a top 30 visit with him and invited him to the facility. Giants brass had dinner with him. Ultimately we went with Barkley because there was no consensus among Darnold/Rosen, and perhaps Allen.

But if they really thought Rosen had something to him and could be a franchise QB, as long as their thinking had not changed, I have no idea why you would not pull the trigger on him EVEN IF IT MEANT pick #17.

Let's say he even sits behind Eli to take a breather and learn the offense/NYG culture. So what. He still has 2 years of control after that before we would have to pay him if he turns out to be the goods. I think there is something to this, and Gettleman's comments yesterday might have had something to do with it. Plenty of folks in the media like Art and Schwartz have said that Giants interest in Rosen is very real.
We also had another asshat  
ryanmkeane : 3/19/2019 3:17 pm : link
report that the Giants are torn between Murray/Haskins vs Rosen vs 2020 QBs. There has been plenty of stuff out there to counter what jt and jon have said (although not saying they are incorrect...but stranger things have happened just like the Beckham move)
Love to bring Rosen in  
Lines of Scrimmage : 3/19/2019 3:21 pm : link
Even for a Second. I am sure they can find one if they package some the later picks they have and a player.

Not much downside to this move. They would have a full year to bring him into the fold and get a close look at him.

The guy has all the arm needed, athletic enough and has the smarts. Yes, there were some concerns with his desire, personality etc. That could all be evaluated in a year. If Eli or the team falters they get a on the field look sooner than later.

Best case you have a cheap franchise QB for three years with great upside that you think can win a championship with. Worst case is you look again in 2020's draft. How long are they going to wait?

At least they can still use the first three picks this year on impact players other than QB. Wednesday's evaluation of Haskins and what they think of Lock as well will certainly be a factor of course.
RE: We also had another asshat  
Go Terps : 3/19/2019 3:23 pm : link
In comment 14347885 ryanmkeane said:
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report that the Giants are torn between Murray/Haskins vs Rosen vs 2020 QBs. There has been plenty of stuff out there to counter what jt and jon have said (although not saying they are incorrect...but stranger things have happened just like the Beckham move)


I really hope you're right. At this point what I think is most likely to happen is Eli is the QB in 2019, and the Giants take Daniel Jones at 6.
RE: RE: RE: How anyone could be upset if the Giants acquire Rosen  
GFAN52 : 3/19/2019 3:23 pm : link
In comment 14347773 NYG007 said:
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For #37, or less, makes no sense to me.

Understandably, itís unlikely, according to everything we have heard from jtgiants. I just donít get how someone could be mad at that scenario, in the position we are in.



Agreed



??? You don't give up a 2nd round pick for a guy they are FORCED to trade should they take Kyler. It's that obvious. No one else is giving up a 2. Now, 3rd rounder, ok.


How is it obvious? And I sure it will take more than a 3rd.
RE: RE: We also had another asshat  
GFAN52 : 3/19/2019 3:25 pm : link
In comment 14347902 Go Terps said:
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report that the Giants are torn between Murray/Haskins vs Rosen vs 2020 QBs. There has been plenty of stuff out there to counter what jt and jon have said (although not saying they are incorrect...but stranger things have happened just like the Beckham move)



I really hope you're right. At this point what I think is most likely to happen is Eli is the QB in 2019, and the Giants take Daniel Jones at 6.


Jones at 6? Iím going to throw up if that happens.
RE: I really don't buy this notion  
Brown Recluse : 3/19/2019 3:28 pm : link
In comment 14347879 ryanmkeane said:
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that the Giants aren't interested in Rosen. I understand what jt said and what Jon said. The day before Beckham got traded, Sy said "the NYG aren't trading Beckham."

From all reports, we had Rosen ranked very highly last year and possibly on par with Darnold. We spent a top 30 visit with him and invited him to the facility. Giants brass had dinner with him. Ultimately we went with Barkley because there was no consensus among Darnold/Rosen, and perhaps Allen.

But if they really thought Rosen had something to him and could be a franchise QB, as long as their thinking had not changed, I have no idea why you would not pull the trigger on him EVEN IF IT MEANT pick #17.

Let's say he even sits behind Eli to take a breather and learn the offense/NYG culture. So what. He still has 2 years of control after that before we would have to pay him if he turns out to be the goods. I think there is something to this, and Gettleman's comments yesterday might have had something to do with it. Plenty of folks in the media like Art and Schwartz have said that Giants interest in Rosen is very real.


I think most everyone was in agreement that physically, Josh Rosen has everything and that he's extremely bright.
The concerns were more, how much does he really love football, is he going to put in the long hours studying film or will he get bored and leave early, and will he gel with his teammates and be a leader.

People shoot these sort of things down all the time and pretend they don't matter, but they do...and they always rise back up to the surface two or three years into a players career.

If the Giants or any other team feel there's any truth to this stuff, then they aren't giving up a first round pick for Rosen but if he's available for a third, it's worth the gamble.
it is not worth the gamble if you don't think he is the right guy  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 3/19/2019 3:54 pm : link
Of course, it is worth it in terms of draft picks, that is a limited loss. But it is not worth it in terms of time. You need to develop a QB. If you bring in the wrong guy, you set yourself back several years. Teams get invested in the guy and it is three or four years before they realize that he will never be the guy to lead the team. It is what DG said about QB hell. It's not the money or the draft picks, it is the time driving down the wrong road.
Why announce the Rosen deal before we are on the clock?  
give66 : 3/19/2019 4:01 pm : link
We want teams to jump ahead of us and take a QB.
RE: How anyone could be upset if the Giants acquire Rosen ...  
Trainmaster : 3/19/2019 4:13 pm : link
... For #37, or less, makes no sense to me

Because:

1) His concussion / injury history
2) The concern his familyís medical knowledge and affluence will lead to a shortened career if he ends up getting more concussions
3) Reports of his crappy attitude / being a poor teammate (he comes across as an arrogant prick IMHO in the press conferences / interviews Iíve seen with him)

I want no part of Rosen at any price for the reasons above.

RE: according to JT, the Giants promised Eli he would start  
BillKo : 3/19/2019 4:15 pm : link
In comment 14347781 ron mexico said:
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no point in trading for Rosen if thats the case


Huh? This is the NFL, not Little League.
RE: Why announce the Rosen deal before we are on the clock?  
robbieballs2003 : 3/19/2019 4:16 pm : link
In comment 14348040 give66 said:
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We want teams to jump ahead of us and take a QB.


To get his ass in the building as soon as possible so he can get to work.
RE: RE: We also had another asshat  
BillKo : 3/19/2019 4:16 pm : link
In comment 14347902 Go Terps said:
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report that the Giants are torn between Murray/Haskins vs Rosen vs 2020 QBs. There has been plenty of stuff out there to counter what jt and jon have said (although not saying they are incorrect...but stranger things have happened just like the Beckham move)



I really hope you're right. At this point what I think is most likely to happen is Eli is the QB in 2019, and the Giants take Daniel Jones at 6.


Oh c'mon.........there is no way they are bypassing the defensive talent in this draft to take a mid to late round QB prospect.
RE: Now Mike  
Now Mike in MD : 3/19/2019 4:32 pm : link
In comment 14347810 Go Terps said:
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I criticize the front office because their actions (and words) indicate they have no intention to move on from Eli.


No, that wasn't your criticism. You said the Giants should have moved on Rosen before Eli was due his bonus. Again, no factual basis that this was even possible
RE: RE: Now Mike  
Go Terps : 3/19/2019 4:33 pm : link
In comment 14348162 Now Mike in MD said:
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I criticize the front office because their actions (and words) indicate they have no intention to move on from Eli.



No, that wasn't your criticism. You said the Giants should have moved on Rosen before Eli was due his bonus. Again, no factual basis that this was even possible


I don't think the Giants were ever interested, because I don't think they have any intention to move on from Eli.
RE: RE: according to JT, the Giants promised Eli he would start  
ron mexico : 3/19/2019 4:40 pm : link
In comment 14348109 BillKo said:
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no point in trading for Rosen if thats the case



Huh? This is the NFL, not Little League.


It's coming from JT, he has been pretty spot on.
And it's not that hard to believe
RE: RE: RE: according to JT, the Giants promised Eli he would start  
BillKo : 3/19/2019 4:53 pm : link
In comment 14348186 ron mexico said:
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no point in trading for Rosen if thats the case



Huh? This is the NFL, not Little League.



It's coming from JT, he has been pretty spot on.
And it's not that hard to believe


I'm not saying it wasn't promised.

But promises are broken.

DG said himself, you draft to create competition.
RE: Rosen  
yatqb : 3/19/2019 5:24 pm : link
In comment 14347744 Go Terps said:
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It's a move that should have been made before Eli got his bonus. You can make a good argument he'd be a better QB for the Giants in 2019 than Eli is.


What a stupid comment. As if the Cards were already actively shopping him.

RE: seriously  
FStubbs : 3/19/2019 6:01 pm : link
In comment 14347741 giantfan2000 said:
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If Giants end up with Josh Rosen and Saquon Barkley from last years Draft
I will take back any criticism I have from Gettleman ..

If Josh Rosen is truly on the block - there is only one team I am worried about snagging him - that is Patriots


This. It would be hard to beat the Patriots offering their 2 2nd rounders.

It's just a question of whether they would do this with Brady still playing.
RE: according to JT, the Giants promised Eli he would start  
Pan-handler : 3/19/2019 6:01 pm : link
In comment 14347781 ron mexico said:
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no point in trading for Rosen if thats the case


Rosen sitting a year and playing in spots would not be catastrophic.
RE: RE: according to JT, the Giants promised Eli he would start  
Default : 3/19/2019 6:03 pm : link
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no point in trading for Rosen if thats the case



Rosen sitting a year and playing in spots would not be catastrophic.


Playing in spots?
When has the ever happened here?

It sucks, but same three QBs from last year will be the QBs this year...
RE: RE: according to JT, the Giants promised Eli he would start  
Pan-handler : 3/19/2019 6:05 pm : link
In comment 14347801 Matt in SGS said:
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no point in trading for Rosen if thats the case



Rosen just turned 22. He's only about 5 months younger than Darnold. Having him sit on the bench, essentially at a good cost for a backup considering his cap spend already by the Cardinals his rookie year, and learn from Eli is not a bad thing at all. Give him a chance to learn Shurmur's offense. Learn what it takes to be a professional from Eli.

For a moment, let's say Shepard to the Patriots for their 2nd rounder is actually a thing. That pick is pretty much a 3rd rounder, but under the guise of a 2nd. The Patriots 2nd rounder for Rosen is an extremely fair deal.


The Pats 2nd and a 4th would be more than fair. For the 10th pick of last years draft.
RE: RE: RE: according to JT, the Giants promised Eli he would start  
Pan-handler : 3/19/2019 6:06 pm : link
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no point in trading for Rosen if thats the case



Rosen sitting a year and playing in spots would not be catastrophic.



Playing in spots?
When has the ever happened here?

It sucks, but same three QBs from last year will be the QBs this year...


Spots mean: in any type of blowout, If Eli goes down for a bit, Or late in the year out of the playoff race.
RE: RE: RE: according to JT, the Giants promised Eli he would start  
FStubbs : 3/19/2019 6:07 pm : link
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no point in trading for Rosen if thats the case



Rosen sitting a year and playing in spots would not be catastrophic.



Playing in spots?
When has the ever happened here?

It sucks, but same three QBs from last year will be the QBs this year...


I think Lauletta is gone barring a killer training camp.
For some reason  
Paulie Walnuts : 3/20/2019 12:25 am : link
I think DG is trying to make a play to get Murray
I asked my source about the Cards situation  
1st and 10 : 3/20/2019 5:14 am : link
he has told me he the Cards are well aware of the fact that if they take Murray at 1 and they have not unloaded Rosen at that point, Rosen's value will go down drastically as they lose leverage with teams. As well, with 3 QB's going off the board in the first 2 rounds, the teams interested in a trade will also decrease thus decreasing the chance of a bidding war.

He said if Rosen ever gets traded, he expects it will be before the draft.
RE: according to JT, the Giants promised Eli he would start  
joeinpa : 3/20/2019 7:06 am : link
In comment 14347781 ron mexico said:
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no point in trading for Rosen if thats the case


Why?

Many great young quarterbacks began their careers on the bench
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