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Anakim : 3/19/2019 3:25 pm
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Chatter today at Tide Pro Day-Giants serious in talks with Raiders in attempt to move up for Quinnen Williams. No details, but it obviously will include #6 & other goodies
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Hope not  
eric2425ny : 3/19/2019 3:26 pm : link
Stay at 6 and take BPA.
Would it be wise to use up quality picks,  
Big Blue '56 : 3/19/2019 3:27 pm : link
if we can get a great pick at 6?
...  
BleedBlue : 3/19/2019 3:29 pm : link
they are moving up but not for Q williams.


IF they get williams, i think a trade for rosen is almost a given considering there will be no #17 this year and waiting is a massive risk.

if they can move up for williams using a 2020 1st, then trade for rosen and go williams at 4 and dev bush at 17
Q Williams  
Thegratefulhead : 3/19/2019 3:30 pm : link
Is the best player in this draft...End of story. If we can get him, 2 years in row we will draft he best player in the draft. I think he will be better than Jerome Brown.
What "goodies?"  
Beezer : 3/19/2019 3:30 pm : link
The 17? No.

The Round 2 pick? No.

Either of the thirds? No.

After that, we can talk. Maybe.
That doesn't make any sense.  
Brown Recluse : 3/19/2019 3:30 pm : link
If they move up, it better be for a QB.
RE: Would it be wise to use up quality picks,  
Amtoft : 3/19/2019 3:30 pm : link
In comment 14347914 Big Blue '56 said:
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if we can get a great pick at 6?


Yes... Quinnen Williams is elite and if you don't get Nick Bosa, Josh Allen, or Big Q then you are getting a top player not an elite player. He would be a monster for us and I would trade all day ever day as long as it doesn't include #17
I find it doubtful  
Rocky369 : 3/19/2019 3:30 pm : link
until you see who's going ahead of you.
Well at 4....if Murrays goes one  
George from PA : 3/19/2019 3:30 pm : link
Secures one of the top 3....of Bosa, Allen and Williams.....which are the best in draft.

But Where does he play in a 3-4?
RE: Would it be wise to use up quality picks,  
Anakim : 3/19/2019 3:30 pm : link
In comment 14347914 Big Blue '56 said:
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if we can get a great pick at 6?


I happen to think Quinnen Williams is the best player in the Draft. His quickness and dominance on the inside is truly reminiscent of Aaron Donald. Quinnen is truly a player you build your defense around.

With that being said, Quinnen is really a 3T. I'm not sure if Bettcher would really commit to a 4-3 that's built around Quinnen. We don't exactly have a lot of pieces, but if we're going to trade up for Quinnen, we must switch over to the 4-3. It would bring out the best in Quinnen.
RE: ...  
regulator : 3/19/2019 3:30 pm : link
In comment 14347922 BleedBlue said:
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they are moving up but not for Q williams.


IF they get williams, i think a trade for rosen is almost a given considering there will be no #17 this year and waiting is a massive risk.

if they can move up for williams using a 2020 1st, then trade for rosen and go williams at 4 and dev bush at 17


You'd be willing to give up a 2020 1st to move up a few spots to take Williams?

Really?
RE: What  
Anakim : 3/19/2019 3:31 pm : link
In comment 14347926 Beezer said:
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The 17? No.

The Round 2 pick? No.

Either of the thirds? No.

After that, we can talk. Maybe.


We only have one third
Didn't Dave toss out a rumor last year and got  
Brown Recluse : 3/19/2019 3:31 pm : link
scolded by Sy because it was completely fabricated?
Trade up to #4  
Matt G : 3/19/2019 3:31 pm : link
For a guy who very well may go #2 or #3?

I'm guessing this would be a draft day trade if there is any truth to it
Depends on the cost  
Bill L : 3/19/2019 3:31 pm : link
I've read a couple places where Williams is the best player in the draft. If I trade, I would much rather use an asset for Williams than Rosen.
Is Williams That Much Better  
clatterbuck : 3/19/2019 3:32 pm : link
than other defensive players available at six? Doesn't seem to make sense.
That is going to be a heavy price.  
DonnieD89 : 3/19/2019 3:33 pm : link
Could it be #6 and another player?
RE: Hope not  
Jim Bur(n)t : 3/19/2019 3:33 pm : link
In comment 14347909 eric2425ny said:
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Stay at 6 and take BPA.


Agree - we need several good players
RE: Trade up to #4  
Amtoft : 3/19/2019 3:33 pm : link
In comment 14347936 Matt G said:
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For a guy who very well may go #2 or #3?

I'm guessing this would be a draft day trade if there is any truth to it


I would assume that we are after one of the top 4 players in the draft. Kyler Murray, Nick Bosa, Josh Allen, and probably the top Giant want in Quinnen Williams.
The Giants can’t be stupid enough to give away ...  
Boy Cord : 3/19/2019 3:34 pm : link
... their 2020 1st rounder. That’s a top-3 pick as we sit here today.
RE: That is going to be a heavy price.  
Amtoft : 3/19/2019 3:34 pm : link
In comment 14347941 DonnieD89 said:
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Could it be #6 and another player?


It is only 2 spots... it isn't going to be that crazy. Maybe a 2nd rounder.
RE: Is Williams That Much Better  
Thegratefulhead : 3/19/2019 3:35 pm : link
In comment 14347939 clatterbuck said:
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than other defensive players available at six? Doesn't seem to make sense.
I think he JJ Watt/Aaron Donald type of presence. He can single-handedly wreck your offense unless you allocate extra resources to deal with him.
If they trade up  
madeinstars : 3/19/2019 3:35 pm : link
for anything other than a QB...
RE: Is Williams That Much Better  
Amtoft : 3/19/2019 3:36 pm : link
In comment 14347939 clatterbuck said:
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than other defensive players available at six? Doesn't seem to make sense.


ridiculously better... The top 3 Def are off the charts while the others are really good.
trade with Oakland  
charles355 : 3/19/2019 3:36 pm : link
we give #6 and #17
we receive #4 and # 24 and #126

we get best remaining DL and a T at #24 +
click bait  
Ryan : 3/19/2019 3:36 pm : link
.
...  
ryanmkeane : 3/19/2019 3:36 pm : link
I don't buy this
Thanks. Thought we still had two thirds.  
Beezer : 3/19/2019 3:36 pm : link
It's just 2 spots, from 6 to 4. Would a fourth get it done?

No way I'd want the Giants to cash in next year's 1st to move 2 spots.
I don't really see it. Williams is going to be a good pro  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/19/2019 3:37 pm : link
but you'd have to think he's going to be an elite NFL pass rusher. I don't think he's that kind transcendent player.
RE: RE: ...  
BleedBlue : 3/19/2019 3:37 pm : link
In comment 14347933 regulator said:
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In comment 14347922 BleedBlue said:


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they are moving up but not for Q williams.


IF they get williams, i think a trade for rosen is almost a given considering there will be no #17 this year and waiting is a massive risk.

if they can move up for williams using a 2020 1st, then trade for rosen and go williams at 4 and dev bush at 17



You'd be willing to give up a 2020 1st to move up a few spots to take Williams?

Really?


i meant as a package...get maybe a 2 or 3 back but thats contingent on getting rosen
RE: trade with Oakland  
Amtoft : 3/19/2019 3:37 pm : link
In comment 14347951 charles355 said:
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we give #6 and #17
we receive #4 and # 24 and #126

we get best remaining DL and a T at #24 +


Oh come on man... Why would they move down 2 spots at the top of the draft to gain 7 spots later in the first and give up #126? Come on man.
#6 + Shep or EE  
idiotsavant : 3/19/2019 3:37 pm : link
. Yes
This would be annoying to me  
NoGainDayne : 3/19/2019 3:38 pm : link
winning those useless games with a team going no where only to then trade our picks to move back up into that position.

Sorry Getts / Shurmur you want to win those games find a star at 6
This is false  
Sammo85 : 3/19/2019 3:38 pm : link
There is no chance Raiders pass up taking Williams themselves. Also again Giants are in no position to be trading up in Round 1.

We have limited ammunition in Rounds 4,5,7 to use in trading up but that opportunity applies in Rounds 3,4,5.

We need to nail all three picks in the top 40. Heck some of our third and some of our fours and fives need to be immediate contributors on defense.
Shurmur referred to Alabama DLine  
bc4life : 3/19/2019 3:39 pm : link
as unblockable. Doubt few would have an issue with them taking Q Williams with their first pick or even moving up. The devil's in the details (aka goodies)

trade 1st  
bc4life : 3/19/2019 3:40 pm : link
and give up one the 3rds? Doubt you'd get it for less.
RE: I don't really see it. Williams is going to be a good pro  
Amtoft : 3/19/2019 3:40 pm : link
In comment 14347956 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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but you'd have to think he's going to be an elite NFL pass rusher. I don't think he's that kind transcendent player.


He is amazing. Look out of all the first round Alabama DT that have come out ... IMO he is the best so far. He is a stud.
RE: What  
adamg : 3/19/2019 3:41 pm : link
In comment 14347926 Beezer said:
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The 17? No.

The Round 2 pick? No.

Either of the thirds? No.

After that, we can talk. Maybe.


The Jets traded up in a similar spot and it costs two seconds. That's the likely price...
RE: RE: Would it be wise to use up quality picks,  
adamg : 3/19/2019 3:42 pm : link
In comment 14347928 Amtoft said:
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In comment 14347914 Big Blue '56 said:


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if we can get a great pick at 6?



Yes... Quinnen Williams is elite and if you don't get Nick Bosa, Josh Allen, or Big Q then you are getting a top player not an elite player. He would be a monster for us and I would trade all day ever day as long as it doesn't include #17


It should cost less than 17. Probably our second and a future 2 or 3.
Where is this rumor  
The Dude : 3/19/2019 3:42 pm : link
written?
RE: RE: What  
Amtoft : 3/19/2019 3:43 pm : link
In comment 14347970 adamg said:
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In comment 14347926 Beezer said:


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The 17? No.

The Round 2 pick? No.

Either of the thirds? No.

After that, we can talk. Maybe.



The Jets traded up in a similar spot and it costs two seconds. That's the likely price...


They traded up from 6 to 3 last year and it cost 3 2nd rounders. This would probably cost us less as A) it is from 6 to 4. Also this isn't a QB heavy draft like last year.
Maybe the Giants  
fivehead : 3/19/2019 3:44 pm : link
should have lost a couple more games? This is what they get for competing after the season was lost.
RE: #6 + Shep or EE  
adamg : 3/19/2019 3:44 pm : link
In comment 14347959 idiotsavant said:
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. Yes


Like I guess the Raiders have a ton of money... I'm sure it would cost more than Shep and 6 to move up though. Maybe Shep, 6, and 37 for 2...
I just can't see anyone moving up now...  
Matt G : 3/19/2019 3:45 pm : link
Without a specific target in mind that they knew they could land

Being okay with one of the top 2-3 QBs (Jets trading up to #3, Eagles trading to #2, Washington to #2) is one thing...

Being comfortable enough with either a QB, DT or EDGE just seems very farfetched, IMO
Maybe they think that QW, Bosa, and Allen are the elite 3!  
edavisiii : 3/19/2019 3:45 pm : link
Hey it is the season to tell lies!
RE: I don't really see it. Williams is going to be a good pro  
Amtoft : 3/19/2019 3:45 pm : link
In comment 14347956 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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but you'd have to think he's going to be an elite NFL pass rusher. I don't think he's that kind transcendent player.


You realize to be a team player Williams played out of position as a NG last year. How many NG have 19.5 TFL and 8 sacks! He was amazing and has big time pass rush and run stopping ability. That is why he is being called elite.
RE: RE: RE: What  
adamg : 3/19/2019 3:45 pm : link
In comment 14347977 Amtoft said:
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In comment 14347970 adamg said:


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In comment 14347926 Beezer said:


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The 17? No.

The Round 2 pick? No.

Either of the thirds? No.

After that, we can talk. Maybe.



The Jets traded up in a similar spot and it costs two seconds. That's the likely price...



They traded up from 6 to 3 last year and it cost 3 2nd rounders. This would probably cost us less as A) it is from 6 to 4. Also this isn't a QB heavy draft like last year.


You're right. My bad. It was three seconds.
amtoft  
bc4life : 3/19/2019 3:46 pm : link
That was for a QB - I'm assuming they'd be more expensive?
RE: RE: RE: ...  
GFAN52 : 3/19/2019 3:47 pm : link
In comment 14347957 BleedBlue said:
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In comment 14347933 regulator said:


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In comment 14347922 BleedBlue said:


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they are moving up but not for Q williams.


IF they get williams, i think a trade for rosen is almost a given considering there will be no #17 this year and waiting is a massive risk.

if they can move up for williams using a 2020 1st, then trade for rosen and go williams at 4 and dev bush at 17



You'd be willing to give up a 2020 1st to move up a few spots to take Williams?

Really?



i meant as a package...get maybe a 2 or 3 back but thats contingent on getting rosen


Under no circumstances do I trade away a future 2020 1st.
RE: amtoft  
Amtoft : 3/19/2019 3:48 pm : link
In comment 14347987 bc4life said:
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That was for a QB - I'm assuming they'd be more expensive?


That is what I said.. It would cost less because it is 6 to 4 and that was a QB heavy draft.
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