One position I don't see a lot of discussion on: cornerback

Jackrabbit's future is unknown and we don't know what we have in Beal. At the very least they need to bring someone in to compete with Beal for the starting spot.

at pick 37 would be a nice fit to go with Jackrabbit, Beal and lesser guys like Hamilton

too handsy, loolks like a flag waiting to happen.

Rock Ya-Sin looks fluid in his movement though...

I’m sure 17 any and all positions are on the table.

That's why the attention is elsewhere. Simple.

And why I want Greedy Williams. He has that rare special pure cover ability you see maybe once every 5 years or so.

In comment 14348068 Platos said:

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too handsy, loolks like a flag waiting to happen. Rock Ya-Sin looks fluid in his movement though...

Has shut down many a WR who will be playing on Sundays. His turns and mirrors routes with little effort. Its impressive.

some character issues with Greedy? Seems I read something about domestic stuff.

Is that while it is a deep defensive draft the CB group is just not that good. I can see us draft some later in the draft but don't see the value early on with our picks in the first 2 rounds.

and would not be surprised if they sign another inexpensive vet FA or street FA - or two - for further help.

But I would not look for a guy to be drafted in the first two rounds unless they do some more trading. Those picks should be on prime beef on one side of the ball or the other.

And what you point out is just one more reason why taking a QB this spring would be yet another wasted pick. The needs are many, the picks are relatively few, the available-to-draft QBs are bigger crap shoots than usual, and a QB will not play this season. They need to use the picks to complete the OL and rebuild the defense.

Rounds 3 though 5.....and yes, I also believe we'll draft at least 2 of them.

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And why I want Greedy Williams. He has that rare special pure cover ability you see maybe once every 5 years or so.

Does he? He's very grabby and handsy. Almost Apple-esque

In comment 14348098 robbieballs2003 said:

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Is that while it is a deep defensive draft the CB group is just not that good. I can see us draft some later in the draft but don't see the value early on with our picks in the first 2 rounds.

Beauty is in the eye ....

If Tomlinson gets hurt, we are screwed. We don't have another 1 technique. I think Dexter Lawrence is in play at #17...or round 2. Tomlinson is also a UFA.

In comment 14348110 Andy in Boston said:

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If Tomlinson gets hurt, we are screwed. We don't have another 1 technique. I think Dexter Lawrence is in play at #17...or round 2. Tomlinson is also a UFA.

after this year.

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In comment 14348080 Pan-handler said: Quote: And why I want Greedy Williams. He has that rare special pure cover ability you see maybe once every 5 years or so. Does he? He's very grabby and handsy. Almost Apple-esque

Mmmmm watch some more tape on him. Heres one
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In comment 14348110 Andy in Boston said:

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If Tomlinson gets hurt, we are screwed. We don't have another 1 technique. I think Dexter Lawrence is in play at #17...or round 2. Tomlinson is also a UFA.

Tomlinson is not a UFA. And you don't spend a #1 or #2 draft pick on a back-up NT.

He's not a UFA next year either.

I think he will be there in round 2 based on most mock drafts.

Fields out of Clemson, Jamal Peters I really like and both could be 5 to 7, Joejuan williams is a 3rd round possibility and looks like a talent. Amani Oruwariye. Just a few I like.

with the Giants trusting their process, and seeing what the young guys have got. Jenkins, that is an issue for next year, that said, they do have a lot of draft picks, and they don't have to go in that direction on day 1, or even day 2.

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He's not a UFA next year either.

wow..my bad....I don't know how I missed that. I was thinking this was year 4 for him.

We could draft two of nearly anything...DL, OL, CB, S, LB, WR. We could also use a TB, TE. Need an ER and QB.

It's a daunting list.

Johnson of Houston on day three.

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just to re-iterate... Bettcher can't blitz like he wants to if he doesn't have guys who can cover.

dline and oline. CBs can be found. Elite rushers are hard to find.
Rome wasn't built in a day and there is no way to fix everything in one season.

Julian Love...
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dline and oline. CBs can be found. Elite rushers are hard to find. Rome wasn't built in a day and there is no way to fix everything in one season.

Two of the three starting DL spots are filled. I assume you are talking about the last DL spot and edge rushers to compete with Carter and Golden.

In comment 14348149 Eric from BBI said:

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just to re-iterate... Bettcher can't blitz like he wants to if he doesn't have guys who can cover.

Yes, This is the quandary. And Greedy is the best cover guy and its not really close ....

would have taken interest in Bryce Callahan (Bears). I saw that he signed with Denver for $21M over 3 years. That was probably why he wasn't on the radar... he's a very good corner, but more of a nickel than a man-to-man cover guy.

The Giants LOVE Ferguson and there is a good chance he is there at 17.

So we'd nail down both CB and ER with our top 2 picks then could hit OT at the top of the 2nd. The WR group is sneaky deep and we could get one the next round or sooner if we trade Shepard.

I share your concern with the cb situation

I think the best bet would be to use our #17 choice on someone like Byron Murphy should he slip or more likely DeAndre Baker.

This is a sensitive pick obviously. Hopefully, DG does not take a flyer on a qb here. Also if Remmers is not signed by the Draft than someone like Ford or Dillard will need to be taken to address ORT.

I think Dalton Risner may last until our #37. Dillard could sink but not likely.

In my mock, I have DG going with Salvion Smith at #142 and Michael Jackson at #143. I would much prefer to get a DeAndre Baker.

if he lasts until our 3rd round pick. Solid athlete with elite change of direction (led all DBs at the combine in 3 cone and 20 yard shuttle times). Michigan played a ton of man coverage, so he would seem like the right scheme fit for an attacking 3-4 defense.

in the short term, though depth needed and edge is a work in progress. CB's can be had mid round and I think the Giants will sign one or two guys. We can blitz more with guys who can cover the middle (S and LB) and right now we only solved safety. LB is another area of need that will help with coverage.

In comment 14348115 Pan-handler said:

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In comment 14348106 Anakim said: Quote: In comment 14348080 Pan-handler said: Quote: And why I want Greedy Williams. He has that rare special pure cover ability you see maybe once every 5 years or so. Does he? He's very grabby and handsy. Almost Apple-esque Mmmmm watch some more tape on him. Heres one Greedy vs Ridley and others - ( New Window )

I watched him against Alabama and he was pretty much grabbing Jeudy the whole game

11.
Byron Murphy

CB

Washington

15.
Greedy Williams

CB

LSU

18.
DeAndre Baker

CB

Georgia

25.
Rock Ya-Sin

CB

Temple

26.
Trayvon Mullen

CB

Clemson

35.
Justin Layne

CB

Michigan State

36.
Joejuan Williams

CB

Vanderbilt

37.
David Long

CB

Michigan

59.
Kendall Sheffield

CB

Ohio State

60.
Julian Love

CB

Notre Dame

64.
Michael Jackson

CB

Miami

65.
Amani Oruwariye

CB

Penn State

70.
Mark Fields

CB

Clemson

97.
Iman Marshall

CB

USC

106.
Lonnie Johnson Jr

CB

If I'm taking Greedy, it's because of his potential. His H/W/S is desirable.

I think chances are high we select a CB within first three picks. If Greedy drops to 17 I would be surprised if we don't take him.

If Murphy drops he has to be in the picture at 37.

I wouldn't be surprised for Love at 37 either.

The PSU kid either wouldn't surprise me at 37.

Joejuan Williams is another player I think will go higher than people expect.

I really don’t see corner as a true premium position. Guys can hardly cover the way they used to. If there was a true stud Revis type player in this draft I’d take a crack in the first, but it’s just not the same as it used to be. Corners can be found. I’d pass with our first three picks..especially with our rare ability to get our asses kicked every game up front.

To need some depth added to it. A guy who can play as the #3 this year and take over for jackrabbit next year would be ideal.

I dont see that guy being picked at 6

In comment 14348065 Anakim said:

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Jackrabbit's future is unknown and we don't know what we have in Beal. At the very least they need to bring someone in to compete with Beal for the starting spot.

I feel like Jackrabbit is a prime trade candidate, if the team falls out of contention which as constructed should happen. If he is healthy I can't see them hanging on to him at the deadline. So I agree they will be drafting but since they just grabbed Beal I can't see them picking a CB earlier then Rd 4.

And Saivion Smith from Alabama would be great picks in the 4th and 5th respectively

Basically pretend the Giants drafted Beal in the 3rd round. In fact, Beal is ahead of any player drafted this year cause he had a year of studying.

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Fields out of Clemson, Jamal Peters I really like and both could be 5 to 7, Joejuan williams is a 3rd round possibility and looks like a talent. Amani Oruwariye. Just a few I like.

I think DG likes long corners - and he may be intrigued by the guys coming out of Kentucky. 

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Basically pretend the Giants drafted Beal in the 3rd round. In fact, Beal is ahead of any player drafted this year cause he had a year of studying.

And he has to produce. A whole year of his deal is gone already. He's under contract for 3 more years...

My memory of his picks tells me he goes for corners later in the draft. Maybe a couple of day 3 picks will be corners.

4th at the earliest, probably round 5 and deservedly so.

In comment 14348362 ryanmkeane said:

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I really don’t see corner as a true premium position. Guys can hardly cover the way they used to. If there was a true stud Revis type player in this draft I’d take a crack in the first, but it’s just not the same as it used to be. Corners can be found. I’d pass with our first three picks..especially with our rare ability to get our asses kicked every game up front.

Thats the point, in terms of pure coverage Greedy has rare ability in that department. Bettchers D needs guys who are good in man to man. Greedy would free him up to do alot more stuff. Also the comp might re-elevate Jackrabbits game too.

Look for guys with potential that can be developed. Need depth this year and guys that can compete for jobs. Jenkins will probably be gone after this year IMO.

Basically, all we have is one corner.....

DG better hope Beal's shoulder is ok, and that he plays as advertised......but he is a rookie and he will be on a learning curve....he is going to make mistakes, and he has to learn from them....

After that, what do they have? Just bodies.....

They need players, not bodies....have to get lucky in the draft and maybe a few low end free agents step up.....

As for Jenkins, he is 30 this year.....he is not part of the future after his contract runs out.....but until you have a replacement, he is all we have....

Specifically to mask the weakness in the D. You can’t have dominant players in every unit. You’ve got Jenkins as your anchor. The hope is Beal comes along nicely and Grant and one mid round draft pick can hold it down as back up. I’m basing this on Jt saying the Giants are trying to win this year. If we load up on DL and OL with the first four picks that can help mask the deficiencies in other units like CB and WR. Take time away from opposing QBs helps the CBs. Give time to your QB helps your WRs.

Invest in the talent up front, build a tough, productive running game and a rugged defensive front seven, and spend less on the backend.

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Invest in the talent up front, build a tough, productive running game and a rugged defensive front seven, and spend less on the backend.

Well, our GM thinks we're playing 1968 football, and part of me thinks he actually believes it's 1968. And I know what you are getting at - and it's not a 1 to 1 analogy - but it's quite a bit easier to play corner when your front seven includes LT, Carson, Banks, Marshall, etc. Our front seven features, Markus Golden!

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Invest in the talent up front, build a tough, productive running game and a rugged defensive front seven, and spend less on the backend.

I'm afraid you're right and the Giants are building for a game that has structurally and fundamentally changed.

Gettleman is either a genius and bucking the trend, or totally out of touch.

lost cause, just like this year.

Maybe they'll get something decent in this year's draft?

I am not expecting a CB with one of our premium picks (I expect we are looking at OL, DL, ER and QB for those).

CB was a need last offseason and look how we addressed it with cheaper free agents and undrafted players.

I think CB comes into the picture from our third round pick onward and will depend on how the draft shakes out.

A couple of guys on my radar are Sean Bunting (Central Michigan), Mark Fields (Clemson) and Jamel Dean (Auburn)