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One position I don't see a lot of discussion on: cornerback

Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/19/2019 4:05 pm
This team has a ton of needs, but the spot where we are the lightest at is cornerback. Jenkins is still good, but is he in their long term plans? Beal only practiced once or twice and is a relative unknown. Haley Grant did a decent job at nickel corner, but didn't make many plays on the football. And there is nothing behind these guys.

I expect the Giants to draft AT LEAST two corners. Question is what rounds?
It's a need for sure  
Anakim : 3/19/2019 4:07 pm : link
Jackrabbit's future is unknown and we don't know what we have in Beal. At the very least they need to bring someone in to compete with Beal for the starting spot.
Rock Ya-Sin  
Pep22 : 3/19/2019 4:07 pm : link
at pick 37 would be a nice fit to go with Jackrabbit, Beal and lesser guys like Hamilton
i don't like Greedy  
Platos : 3/19/2019 4:07 pm : link
too handsy, loolks like a flag waiting to happen.

Rock Ya-Sin looks fluid in his movement though...
Not at 6.  
The_Boss : 3/19/2019 4:09 pm : link
Iím sure 17 any and all positions are on the table.
It's a weak 1st round group  
Torrag : 3/19/2019 4:09 pm : link
That's why the attention is elsewhere. Simple.
Eric that is exactly what I pointed out on the other thread  
Pan-handler : 3/19/2019 4:10 pm : link
And why I want Greedy Williams. He has that rare special pure cover ability you see maybe once every 5 years or so.
RE: i don't like Greedy  
Pan-handler : 3/19/2019 4:11 pm : link
In comment 14348068 Platos said:
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too handsy, loolks like a flag waiting to happen.

Rock Ya-Sin looks fluid in his movement though...


Has shut down many a WR who will be playing on Sundays. His turns and mirrors routes with little effort. Its impressive.
Aren't there  
Photoguy : 3/19/2019 4:12 pm : link
some character issues with Greedy? Seems I read something about domestic stuff.
The problem from my understanding  
robbieballs2003 : 3/19/2019 4:13 pm : link
Is that while it is a deep defensive draft the CB group is just not that good. I can see us draft some later in the draft but don't see the value early on with our picks in the first 2 rounds.
Agree that they draft at least one,  
Red Dog : 3/19/2019 4:14 pm : link
and would not be surprised if they sign another inexpensive vet FA or street FA - or two - for further help.

But I would not look for a guy to be drafted in the first two rounds unless they do some more trading. Those picks should be on prime beef on one side of the ball or the other.

And what you point out is just one more reason why taking a QB this spring would be yet another wasted pick. The needs are many, the picks are relatively few, the available-to-draft QBs are bigger crap shoots than usual, and a QB will not play this season. They need to use the picks to complete the OL and rebuild the defense.
There are plenty of good CBs in this draft.  
No Where Man : 3/19/2019 4:14 pm : link
Rounds 3 though 5.....and yes, I also believe we'll draft at least 2 of them.
RE: Eric that is exactly what I pointed out on the other thread  
Anakim : 3/19/2019 4:15 pm : link
In comment 14348080 Pan-handler said:
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And why I want Greedy Williams. He has that rare special pure cover ability you see maybe once every 5 years or so.


Does he? He's very grabby and handsy. Almost Apple-esque
RE: The problem from my understanding  
Pan-handler : 3/19/2019 4:15 pm : link
In comment 14348098 robbieballs2003 said:
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Is that while it is a deep defensive draft the CB group is just not that good. I can see us draft some later in the draft but don't see the value early on with our picks in the first 2 rounds.


Beauty is in the eye ....
I feel the same about DT  
Andy in Boston : 3/19/2019 4:15 pm : link
If Tomlinson gets hurt, we are screwed. We don't have another 1 technique. I think Dexter Lawrence is in play at #17...or round 2. Tomlinson is also a UFA.
RE: I feel the same about DT  
Andy in Boston : 3/19/2019 4:16 pm : link
In comment 14348110 Andy in Boston said:
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If Tomlinson gets hurt, we are screwed. We don't have another 1 technique. I think Dexter Lawrence is in play at #17...or round 2. Tomlinson is also a UFA.


after this year.
RE: RE: Eric that is exactly what I pointed out on the other thread  
Pan-handler : 3/19/2019 4:16 pm : link
In comment 14348106 Anakim said:
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In comment 14348080 Pan-handler said:


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And why I want Greedy Williams. He has that rare special pure cover ability you see maybe once every 5 years or so.



Does he? He's very grabby and handsy. Almost Apple-esque


Mmmmm watch some more tape on him. Heres one
Greedy vs Ridley and others - ( New Window )
RE: I feel the same about DT  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/19/2019 4:17 pm : link
In comment 14348110 Andy in Boston said:
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If Tomlinson gets hurt, we are screwed. We don't have another 1 technique. I think Dexter Lawrence is in play at #17...or round 2. Tomlinson is also a UFA.


Tomlinson is not a UFA. And you don't spend a #1 or #2 draft pick on a back-up NT.
Andy  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/19/2019 4:17 pm : link
He's not a UFA next year either.
I like Julian Love Notre Dame  
rasbutant : 3/19/2019 4:18 pm : link
I think he will be there in round 2 based on most mock drafts.
There's some interesting guys  
English Alaister : 3/19/2019 4:18 pm : link
Fields out of Clemson, Jamal Peters I really like and both could be 5 to 7, Joejuan williams is a 3rd round possibility and looks like a talent. Amani Oruwariye. Just a few I like.
I don't know if I'd consider it a need, I'd be content  
barens : 3/19/2019 4:20 pm : link
with the Giants trusting their process, and seeing what the young guys have got. Jenkins, that is an issue for next year, that said, they do have a lot of draft picks, and they don't have to go in that direction on day 1, or even day 2.
RE: Andy  
Andy in Boston : 3/19/2019 4:20 pm : link
In comment 14348121 Eric from BBI said:
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He's not a UFA next year either.



wow..my bad....I don't know how I missed that. I was thinking this was year 4 for him.
TBH  
English Alaister : 3/19/2019 4:21 pm : link
We could draft two of nearly anything...DL, OL, CB, S, LB, WR. We could also use a TB, TE. Need an ER and QB.

It's a daunting list.
Isaiah  
AcidTest : 3/19/2019 4:26 pm : link
Johnson of Houston on day three.

Link - ( New Window )
and  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/19/2019 4:28 pm : link
just to re-iterate... Bettcher can't blitz like he wants to if he doesn't have guys who can cover.
Eric - fix the  
section125 : 3/19/2019 4:31 pm : link
dline and oline. CBs can be found. Elite rushers are hard to find.
Rome wasn't built in a day and there is no way to fix everything in one season.
Lots of needs but I hope this guy finds his way to the Giants  
rasbutant : 3/19/2019 4:31 pm : link
Julian Love...
Link - ( New Window )
RE: Eric - fix the  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/19/2019 4:37 pm : link
In comment 14348159 section125 said:
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dline and oline. CBs can be found. Elite rushers are hard to find.
Rome wasn't built in a day and there is no way to fix everything in one season.


Two of the three starting DL spots are filled. I assume you are talking about the last DL spot and edge rushers to compete with Carter and Golden.
RE: and  
Pan-handler : 3/19/2019 4:42 pm : link
In comment 14348149 Eric from BBI said:
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just to re-iterate... Bettcher can't blitz like he wants to if he doesn't have guys who can cover.


Yes, This is the quandary. And Greedy is the best cover guy and its not really close ....
I was really hoping the Giants...  
BamaBlue : 3/19/2019 4:42 pm : link
would have taken interest in Bryce Callahan (Bears). I saw that he signed with Denver for $21M over 3 years. That was probably why he wasn't on the radar... he's a very good corner, but more of a nickel than a man-to-man cover guy.
As for ER  
Pan-handler : 3/19/2019 4:44 pm : link
The Giants LOVE Ferguson and there is a good chance he is there at 17.

So we'd nail down both CB and ER with our top 2 picks then could hit OT at the top of the 2nd. The WR group is sneaky deep and we could get one the next round or sooner if we trade Shepard.
Eric  
ChicagoMarty : 3/19/2019 4:48 pm : link
I share your concern with the cb situation

I think the best bet would be to use our #17 choice on someone like Byron Murphy should he slip or more likely DeAndre Baker.

This is a sensitive pick obviously. Hopefully, DG does not take a flyer on a qb here. Also if Remmers is not signed by the Draft than someone like Ford or Dillard will need to be taken to address ORT.

I think Dalton Risner may last until our #37. Dillard could sink but not likely.

In my mock, I have DG going with Salvion Smith at #142 and Michael Jackson at #143. I would much prefer to get a DeAndre Baker.
David Long from Michigan would be a nice pickup  
RawhideMarshall : 3/19/2019 4:57 pm : link
if he lasts until our 3rd round pick. Solid athlete with elite change of direction (led all DBs at the combine in 3 cone and 20 yard shuttle times). Michigan played a ton of man coverage, so he would seem like the right scheme fit for an attacking 3-4 defense.
Safety has been solved  
jvm52106 : 3/19/2019 4:59 pm : link
in the short term, though depth needed and edge is a work in progress. CB's can be had mid round and I think the Giants will sign one or two guys. We can blitz more with guys who can cover the middle (S and LB) and right now we only solved safety. LB is another area of need that will help with coverage.
RE: RE: RE: Eric that is exactly what I pointed out on the other thread  
Anakim : 3/19/2019 5:01 pm : link
In comment 14348115 Pan-handler said:
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In comment 14348106 Anakim said:


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In comment 14348080 Pan-handler said:


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And why I want Greedy Williams. He has that rare special pure cover ability you see maybe once every 5 years or so.



Does he? He's very grabby and handsy. Almost Apple-esque



Mmmmm watch some more tape on him. Heres one Greedy vs Ridley and others - ( New Window )


I watched him against Alabama and he was pretty much grabbing Jeudy the whole game
My CB rankings:  
Anakim : 3/19/2019 5:05 pm : link
11.
Byron Murphy

CB

Washington

15.
Greedy Williams

CB

LSU

18.
DeAndre Baker

CB

Georgia

25.
Rock Ya-Sin

CB

Temple

26.
Trayvon Mullen

CB

Clemson

35.
Justin Layne

CB

Michigan State

36.
Joejuan Williams

CB

Vanderbilt

37.
David Long

CB

Michigan

59.
Kendall Sheffield

CB

Ohio State

60.
Julian Love

CB

Notre Dame

64.
Michael Jackson

CB

Miami

65.
Amani Oruwariye

CB

Penn State

70.
Mark Fields

CB

Clemson

97.
Iman Marshall

CB

USC

106.
Lonnie Johnson Jr

CB
Grant Delpit is the better prospect  
Anakim : 3/19/2019 5:06 pm : link
If I'm taking Greedy, it's because of his potential. His H/W/S is desirable.
Agreed  
MM_in_NYC : 3/19/2019 5:41 pm : link
I think chances are high we select a CB within first three picks. If Greedy drops to 17 I would be surprised if we don't take him.

If Murphy drops he has to be in the picture at 37.

I wouldn't be surprised for Love at 37 either.

The PSU kid either wouldn't surprise me at 37.

Joejuan Williams is another player I think will go higher than people expect.
The way the game is called now  
ryanmkeane : 3/19/2019 6:09 pm : link
I really donít see corner as a true premium position. Guys can hardly cover the way they used to. If there was a true stud Revis type player in this draft Iíd take a crack in the first, but itís just not the same as it used to be. Corners can be found. Iíd pass with our first three picks..especially with our rare ability to get our asses kicked every game up front.
Yes, CB does seem  
OBJRoyal : 3/19/2019 6:49 pm : link
To need some depth added to it. A guy who can play as the #3 this year and take over for jackrabbit next year would be ideal.

I dont see that guy being picked at 6
RE: It's a need for sure  
DavidinBMNY : 3/19/2019 7:21 pm : link
In comment 14348065 Anakim said:
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Jackrabbit's future is unknown and we don't know what we have in Beal. At the very least they need to bring someone in to compete with Beal for the starting spot.


I feel like Jackrabbit is a prime trade candidate, if the team falls out of contention which as constructed should happen. If he is healthy I can't see them hanging on to him at the deadline. So I agree they will be drafting but since they just grabbed Beal I can't see them picking a CB earlier then Rd 4.
Justin Layne from Mich St  
Earl the goat : 3/19/2019 7:35 pm : link
And Saivion Smith from Alabama would be great picks in the 4th and 5th respectively
Any CB drafted this year would be a compete unknown  
Deejboy : 3/19/2019 7:39 pm : link
Basically pretend the Giants drafted Beal in the 3rd round. In fact, Beal is ahead of any player drafted this year cause he had a year of studying.
RE: There's some interesting guys  
DavidinBMNY : 3/19/2019 8:08 pm : link
In comment 14348123 English Alaister said:
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Fields out of Clemson, Jamal Peters I really like and both could be 5 to 7, Joejuan williams is a 3rd round possibility and looks like a talent. Amani Oruwariye. Just a few I like.
I think DG likes long corners - and he may be intrigued by the guys coming out of Kentucky.†
RE: Any CB drafted this year would be a compete unknown  
DavidinBMNY : 3/19/2019 8:10 pm : link
In comment 14348490 Deejboy said:
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Basically pretend the Giants drafted Beal in the 3rd round. In fact, Beal is ahead of any player drafted this year cause he had a year of studying.
And he has to produce. A whole year of his deal is gone already. He's under contract for 3 more years...
Has DG ever drafted a corner high?  
adamg : 3/19/2019 8:14 pm : link
My memory of his picks tells me he goes for corners later in the draft. Maybe a couple of day 3 picks will be corners.
What round?  
WillVAB : 3/19/2019 8:28 pm : link
4th at the earliest, probably round 5 and deservedly so.
RE: The way the game is called now  
Pan-handler : 3/19/2019 8:38 pm : link
In comment 14348362 ryanmkeane said:
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I really donít see corner as a true premium position. Guys can hardly cover the way they used to. If there was a true stud Revis type player in this draft Iíd take a crack in the first, but itís just not the same as it used to be. Corners can be found. Iíd pass with our first three picks..especially with our rare ability to get our asses kicked every game up front.


Thats the point, in terms of pure coverage Greedy has rare ability in that department. Bettchers D needs guys who are good in man to man. Greedy would free him up to do alot more stuff. Also the comp might re-elevate Jackrabbits game too.
Possibly 3rd or 4th rounds.......  
Simms11 : 3/19/2019 9:06 pm : link
Look for guys with potential that can be developed. Need depth this year and guys that can compete for jobs. Jenkins will probably be gone after this year IMO.
Eric is right.....  
Doomster : 3/19/2019 9:41 pm : link
Basically, all we have is one corner.....

DG better hope Beal's shoulder is ok, and that he plays as advertised......but he is a rookie and he will be on a learning curve....he is going to make mistakes, and he has to learn from them....

After that, what do they have? Just bodies.....

They need players, not bodies....have to get lucky in the draft and maybe a few low end free agents step up.....

As for Jenkins, he is 30 this year.....he is not part of the future after his contract runs out.....but until you have a replacement, he is all we have....
Iím getting the impression they want pass rushers  
bradshaw44 : 3/19/2019 9:54 pm : link
Specifically to mask the weakness in the D. You canít have dominant players in every unit. Youíve got Jenkins as your anchor. The hope is Beal comes along nicely and Grant and one mid round draft pick can hold it down as back up. Iím basing this on Jt saying the Giants are trying to win this year. If we load up on DL and OL with the first four picks that can help mask the deficiencies in other units like CB and WR. Take time away from opposing QBs helps the CBs. Give time to your QB helps your WRs.
It's a spot that reminds me of the Giants of the 80s  
JonC : 3/19/2019 9:56 pm : link
Invest in the talent up front, build a tough, productive running game and a rugged defensive front seven, and spend less on the backend.
RE: It's a spot that reminds me of the Giants of the 80s  
Giants38 : 3/19/2019 10:40 pm : link
In comment 14348657 JonC said:
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Invest in the talent up front, build a tough, productive running game and a rugged defensive front seven, and spend less on the backend.


Well, our GM thinks we're playing 1968 football, and part of me thinks he actually believes it's 1968. And I know what you are getting at - and it's not a 1 to 1 analogy - but it's quite a bit easier to play corner when your front seven includes LT, Carson, Banks, Marshall, etc. Our front seven features, Markus Golden!
RE: It's a spot that reminds me of the Giants of the 80s  
christian : 3/19/2019 11:01 pm : link
In comment 14348657 JonC said:
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Invest in the talent up front, build a tough, productive running game and a rugged defensive front seven, and spend less on the backend.


I'm afraid you're right and the Giants are building for a game that has structurally and fundamentally changed.

Gettleman is either a genius and bucking the trend, or totally out of touch.
I think the defense is just shot  
O Butter Giants 2019 : 3/19/2019 11:13 pm : link
lost cause, just like this year.

Maybe they'll get something decent in this year's draft?
I don't expect a CB early  
Big_Pete : 3/20/2019 1:39 am : link
I am not expecting a CB with one of our premium picks (I expect we are looking at OL, DL, ER and QB for those).

CB was a need last offseason and look how we addressed it with cheaper free agents and undrafted players.

I think CB comes into the picture from our third round pick onward and will depend on how the draft shakes out.

A couple of guys on my radar are Sean Bunting (Central Michigan), Mark Fields (Clemson) and Jamel Dean (Auburn)
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