Big Blue Interactive The Corner Forum  
Back to the Corner

Archived Thread

Jaylon Ferguson Pro Day

Big Rick in FL : 3/19/2019 10:10 pm
Some numbers from his Pro Day. Not sure the 3 Cone and short shuttle are correct as those are some of the worst times if not the worst times I've ever seen for a Edge rusher.

Quote:
DE Jaylon Ferguson Pro Day results (from an NFL exec):

6046, 271
40: 4.82, 4.83
10: 1.69, 1.70
Bench: 24
VJ: 32
BJ: 9-9
SS: 5.12
3C: 8.08
Horrible  
jayg5 : 3/19/2019 10:13 pm : link
3-cone and short shuttle

If those are real numbers  
Marty866b : 3/19/2019 10:18 pm : link
He's going to drop like a rock.
The all time NCAA Sack Leader  
Sy'56 : 3/19/2019 10:36 pm : link
....His tape is very good.
damontre moore jr?  
Platos : 3/19/2019 10:41 pm : link
let me go youtube him now....
RE: The all time NCAA Sack Leader  
MM_in_NYC : 3/19/2019 10:46 pm : link
In comment 14348679 Sy'56 said:
Quote:
....His tape is very good.


Sy - can you recommend tape (games) for him to watch that you think best represent who is as a player?
Sy  
Marty866b : 3/19/2019 10:57 pm : link
Ferguson has all the physical attributes to be very good and his production is better then everyone but doesn't those 3 cone and short shuttle times scare you? I really thought he was going to test well and I had him as a possibility for us at #37. Also, would you consider Ferguson a true 4-3 defensive end or do you think he could play in a 3-4? Thanks
Tape is really good,  
prdave73 : 3/20/2019 1:13 am : link
but those numbers will not help him. Pretty disappointed, I was hoping for better results. One of those types who plays faster then timed.
His hands are very heavy..  
RAIN : 3/20/2019 2:07 am : link
And he can rush the passer. Id be more concerned with bad tape than poor agility numbers. I like him better than the other second tier edge guys.
Turtle-icious  
BlueLou'sBack : 3/20/2019 2:46 am : link
turtle-ish.
If he doesn't improve his numbers in subsequent workouts...  
Torrag : 3/20/2019 3:15 am : link
...he'll be available at #37 even with strong game tape. Probably doesn't last until our 3rd Rounder at #95 though imo.
Tape is amazing  
Pan-handler : 3/20/2019 5:10 am : link
But those numbers are pretty bad. Quite surprised but Terrel Suggs had some bad numbers too. There comes a point where the tape is so good that you can't ignore it. This may drop him a bit though.

3 cone surprises me the most.
Didnt realize he is 11 pounds heavier than Sweat too  
Pan-handler : 3/20/2019 5:12 am : link
Chubb had a pretty bad 3 cone too. Tape is just too darn good to ignore.
Conflicting numbers  
Pan-handler : 3/20/2019 5:20 am : link
At Pro Day, weighing in at 271 pounds, nearly 10 pounds heavier than where he played during his senior season where he stockpiled 17.5 sacks and 26 total tackles-for-loss, the defensive end ran a 4.75 40-yard dash, had 24 reps on the bench press and had a 32-inch vertical

Very good article below on Jaylon


Jaylon Ferguson Pro Day - ( New Window )
Dont know Suggs 3 cone but his numbers were bad too  
Pan-handler : 3/20/2019 5:28 am : link
LB Terrell Suggs:
40-yard Dash: 4.82

Vertical: 33 inches

Bench Press: 19 reps

RE: Dont know Suggs 3 cone but his numbers were bad too  
Big Rick in FL : 3/20/2019 5:58 am : link
In comment 14348758 Pan-handler said:
Quote:
LB Terrell Suggs:
40-yard Dash: 4.82

Vertical: 33 inches

Bench Press: 19 reps


Not take worried about the 40, bench or vertical. More concerned his COD times are equivalent to an OG or a NT.
RE: Sy  
Sy'56 : 3/20/2019 8:37 am : link
In comment 14348686 Marty866b said:
Quote:
Ferguson has all the physical attributes to be very good and his production is better then everyone but doesn't those 3 cone and short shuttle times scare you? I really thought he was going to test well and I had him as a possibility for us at #37. Also, would you consider Ferguson a true 4-3 defensive end or do you think he could play in a 3-4? Thanks


It is notable. But I think further information needs to be acquired. Did he slip? Did he nurse any soft tissue injuries in training? He doesn't play slow on tape, that is for sure. Stiffness is on my report, no denying that. I think he has the frame to be a versatile 5-tech for the 3-4 and run defending 4-3 DE. Exactly what NYG is looking for actually.
Sy  
Chris684 : 3/20/2019 8:53 am : link
What are your thoughts (roughly a month out) for 6 and 17?
Pan-handler  
AcidTest : 3/20/2019 8:56 am : link
says the Giants love him, and it's easy to see why when you watch his tape. He's relentless with heavy hands and good pass rush moves, although the stiffness is evident. The incident when he was 18 apparently won't affect him, but he also had a public intoxication charge IIRC.

Gettleman got rid of Hart, Flowers, Apple, Harrison, and Beckham for "character" reasons, so it would be somewhat surprising if they used a first round pick on Ferguson. He has also said he doesn't want to play in cold weather. But he does fit what they need.
RE: Pan-handler  
Pan-handler : 3/20/2019 12:45 pm : link
In comment 14348914 AcidTest said:
Quote:
says the Giants love him, and it's easy to see why when you watch his tape. He's relentless with heavy hands and good pass rush moves, although the stiffness is evident. The incident when he was 18 apparently won't affect him, but he also had a public intoxication charge IIRC.

Gettleman got rid of Hart, Flowers, Apple, Harrison, and Beckham for "character" reasons, so it would be somewhat surprising if they used a first round pick on Ferguson. He has also said he doesn't want to play in cold weather. But he does fit what they need.


These kids can mature you know. They are still quite young coming out of College. The Giants delve deep enough and meet with these kids to see if they are on the path to becoming men (or if they at least show the willingness to mature).
RE: Didnt realize he is 11 pounds heavier than Sweat too  
Amtoft : 3/20/2019 12:54 pm : link
In comment 14348754 Pan-handler said:
Quote:
Chubb had a pretty bad 3 cone too. Tape is just too darn good to ignore.


Chubb had a 7.09 3 cone. That isn't pretty bad for a 227 RB. However over 8 second 3 cone is insanely bad. I looked briefly at the Combine for DL that ran over 8 and so far I have only found one who ran 8.02 which is still faster than Jaylon. It is from NG 336 lb Daylon Mack! Not to mention the combine is a slower track than pro days.

That time is horrendous. 3cone usually shows bend and change of directions. DE is very important to have these skills. I hope we don't touch this kid.
RE: RE: Didnt realize he is 11 pounds heavier than Sweat too  
Pan-handler : 3/20/2019 1:00 pm : link
In comment 14349471 Amtoft said:
Quote:
In comment 14348754 Pan-handler said:


Quote:


Chubb had a pretty bad 3 cone too. Tape is just too darn good to ignore.



Chubb had a 7.09 3 cone. That isn't pretty bad for a 227 RB. However over 8 second 3 cone is insanely bad. I looked briefly at the Combine for DL that ran over 8 and so far I have only found one who ran 8.02 which is still faster than Jaylon. It is from NG 336 lb Daylon Mack! Not to mention the combine is a slower track than pro days.

That time is horrendous. 3cone usually shows bend and change of directions. DE is very important to have these skills. I hope we don't touch this kid.


Yes an over 8 3 cone is ridiculous. It doesnt make sense to me though when you watch the tape. There are guys where the production is so good that it overcomes the lack of certain measurables. Its more often this way than vice versa. Suggs was an example of this. And he broke Suggs sack record.
Dude racks up sacks  
Rflairr : 3/20/2019 1:16 pm : link
Against utep and other powder puffs
RE: RE: RE: Didnt realize he is 11 pounds heavier than Sweat too  
Amtoft : 3/20/2019 1:32 pm : link
In comment 14349487 Pan-handler said:
Quote:
In comment 14349471 Amtoft said:


Quote:


In comment 14348754 Pan-handler said:


Quote:


Chubb had a pretty bad 3 cone too. Tape is just too darn good to ignore.



Chubb had a 7.09 3 cone. That isn't pretty bad for a 227 RB. However over 8 second 3 cone is insanely bad. I looked briefly at the Combine for DL that ran over 8 and so far I have only found one who ran 8.02 which is still faster than Jaylon. It is from NG 336 lb Daylon Mack! Not to mention the combine is a slower track than pro days.

That time is horrendous. 3cone usually shows bend and change of directions. DE is very important to have these skills. I hope we don't touch this kid.



Yes an over 8 3 cone is ridiculous. It doesnt make sense to me though when you watch the tape. There are guys where the production is so good that it overcomes the lack of certain measurables. Its more often this way than vice versa. Suggs was an example of this. And he broke Suggs sack record.


having a 4.84 40 time is nothing like a 8+ 3cone... I mean that would be like Suggs running 5.50 forty.

I watched his game vs Mississippi State his only real competition last year. He had 2 sacks so I was interested in watching it. In watching he slow, jogs, and seems to give up on plays. He was pushed around at times and was just a non-factory for most of the game. He had a coverage sack where he ankle tackled the QB after he held the ball for to long and he had a legit sack where he used his power very nicely. He seems to have actually good power at times, but his speed and hustle left me wanting. I just don't see it. Maybe he can put on even more weight and move to 3-4 DE? If not I want nothing to do with him.
RE: Dude racks up sacks  
Pan-handler : 3/20/2019 1:35 pm : link
In comment 14349532 Rflairr said:
[quote] Against utep and other powder puffs [/quote

If we go Qb at 6 or non-ER at 6, this will be likely our top option at 17. You bank that the tape transcends the measurables like it did for a bunch of other guys like Suggs.
RE: RE: Dude racks up sacks  
Amtoft : 3/20/2019 1:39 pm : link
In comment 14349580 Pan-handler said:
Quote:
In comment 14349532 Rflairr said:
[quote] Against utep and other powder puffs [/quote

If we go Qb at 6 or non-ER at 6, this will be likely our top option at 17. You bank that the tape transcends the measurables like it did for a bunch of other guys like Suggs.


I will bet anything he will not be picked by us in the first. He won't even go round one. Production isn't everything. Don't look at the numbers because he had 10 of his 17.5 sacks in 3 games against Hawaii, North Texas, and Texas-El Paso.
RE: Dont know Suggs 3 cone but his numbers were bad too  
MojoEd : 3/20/2019 1:50 pm : link
In comment 14348758 Pan-handler said:
Quote:
LB Terrell Suggs:
40-yard Dash: 4.82

Vertical: 33 inches

Bench Press: 19 reps

Good call on Suggs
RE: Sy  
Sy'56 : 3/20/2019 3:02 pm : link
In comment 14348905 Chris684 said:
Quote:
What are your thoughts (roughly a month out) for 6 and 17?


I think they are going QB at 6, OL/DL at 17
Ignore  
PaulN : 3/20/2019 3:06 pm : link
What a player does on the field, it's the cones that make the player, you have to have those cones down pat.
He  
PaulN : 3/20/2019 3:08 pm : link
Would be a great addition to this team. I hope he is there for our round 2 pick, especially if we did not add an elite pass rusher by the time we pick there.
RE: Ignore  
Amtoft : 3/20/2019 3:10 pm : link
In comment 14349865 PaulN said:
Quote:
What a player does on the field, it's the cones that make the player, you have to have those cones down pat.


you know how many amazing college players there are that can't make the NFL? Look at Murray who people are worried about because they thought he was 5'8. If he was he wouldn't be drafted in the first round and he was ten times the player this guy is.
Back to the Corner