Had terrific completion percentage and yardage numbers last year despite a terrible offensive line and did most of his damage in the later 3rd of the season when OBJ was on the shelf. Said that if DG is able to use draft picks to acquire Eli's replacement, history may say that DG got the better of the deal. As it now stands, the trade is a toss-up in Quinn's opinion.
He absolutely destroys many of the arguments being posted daily on BBI
Actually, what he says is that they don't need to take a QB because Eli has plenty left which is fine. But then he says they can get one of the top three next year because they may be bad enough to be in position to draft one if them. Really? That's what he and others here are banking the future of the team on. That they may be bad enough to be in position to draft one if them. And if they go even 8-8 then what. I don't think they should force a QB pick but thinking they can get one of the top three next year because they may be bad enough to be in position to draft one if them is not a plan it's a fantasy.
Another ex-player/coach/front office guy that sees the sense of what they're doing with the roster.
Brady is on Sirius every weekday at 11am. He's shaping himself into a solid radio guy. He's come a long way from the bad suit and terrible body language in the green room.
and I didn't hear Brady Quinn bring any fresh compelling points as to how to handle the QB situation. Unless i missed some epiphany, Quinn said:
- Giants don't have to force taking a QB this year because they have Eli
- Eli threw for his 3rd most yards in his career last year and he's durable so whats the issue
- There will be a bunch of QBs available in the 2020 draft
So Quinn (imv) promotes Giants "punting" one more year unless Giants love a QB in this draft. And then simply draft one next year and start that rookie in 2020.
He absolutely destroys many of the arguments being posted daily on BBI
Actually, what he says is that they don't need to take a QB because Eli has plenty left which is fine. But then he says they can get one of the top three next year because they may be bad enough to be in position to draft one if them. Really? That's what he and others here are banking the future of the team on. That they may be bad enough to be in position to draft one if them. And if they go even 8-8 then what. I don't think they should force a QB pick but thinking they can get one of the top three next year because they may be bad enough to be in position to draft one if them is not a plan it's a fantasy.
He also contradicted himself by saying he doesn't think the Giants will be that bad this year so how do get into the top 3 draft spots?
It would be myopic to assume that there will not be any really studly and desirable non-QB players high up in the draft. Or that those teams high up and without a QB need will all just easily slide out for anyone who wants to move. Especially if it means sliding all the way to the bottom of the round.
Three QBs likely stretches out to near the #10 pick in the draft.
but I do think that people are overstating the difficulty in doing so. Frankly, I would rather have the 2019 second rounder to parlay in to another defensive hole-filler (or OL if we go DL-DL in the first round) and trade the 2020 second rounder (and even much more) to move (where i think we would most likely and even maximally be) a few spots to get into the top 10. Part of that is that I think the talent is as good or better than Rosen but mostly it's because I feel that the longevity risk is greatly less.
I think his point is that the Giants have a pretty good QB -- and they don't have to make a QB move this year if they are not convinced they have a great option. That you can watch and see what happens this year -- and if the team tanks -- well then you are coming into a strong QB draft. But it's possible that the team will do well too w/o Beckham and Eli in the second year of Shurmur's system and the improvements the Giants have put around him.
He also said no one is complaining about Tom Brady's age -- and he compared Eli to Rivers.
He made some really good points. Of course you can take the dim view and question it, but you can also say, don't rush into making the decision to bring in Eli's successor until you are ready to pull the trigger. That Eli is still a competent option to keep you in contention now and into the immediate future.
He also liked the Tate signing and the Giants' receiver options.
He also contradicted himself by saying he doesn't think the Giants will be that bad this year so how do get into the top 3 draft spots?
How does anyone think we are going to be in position to draft one of the top 3 QBs. Everyone here that wants to wait until 202 and this guy as well seem to leave out that little detail.
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He also contradicted himself by saying he doesn't think the Giants will be that bad this year so how do get into the top 3 draft spots?
How does anyone think we are going to be in position to draft one of the top 3 QBs. Everyone here that wants to wait until 202 and this guy as well seem to leave out that little detail.
I think many people have answered your question many times. You don't have to agree with the answers but please acknowledge that they were provided.
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He also contradicted himself by saying he doesn't think the Giants will be that bad this year so how do get into the top 3 draft spots?
How does anyone think we are going to be in position to draft one of the top 3 QBs. Everyone here that wants to wait until 202 and this guy as well seem to leave out that little detail.
I think many people have answered your question many times. You don't have to agree with the answers but please acknowledge that they were provided.
No. Actually, they haven't just like you here haven't. But please enlighten us.
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He also contradicted himself by saying he doesn't think the Giants will be that bad this year so how do get into the top 3 draft spots?
How does anyone think we are going to be in position to draft one of the top 3 QBs. Everyone here that wants to wait until 202 and this guy as well seem to leave out that little detail.
I think many people have answered your question many times. You don't have to agree with the answers but please acknowledge that they were provided.
I know that wasn't to me...but I have same question. How do we ensure we get into that position?
He made some really good points. Of course you can take the dim view and question it, but you can also say, don't rush into making the decision to bring in Eli's successor until you are ready to pull the trigger. That Eli is still a competent option to keep you in contention now and into the immediate future.
He also liked the Tate signing and the Giants' receiver options.
dim view? He made points that are made on this site everyday...not that they are right or wrong but its not some kind of "fresh take". I agree that we shouldn't just take a QB and if that means 2020 provides better options as to the overall restructuring plan then I am okay. But risk comes in many forms, and ultimately the Giants are going to have to take some level of it on no matter what they do. I think
Quinn's take was simply Eli is fine so no need to panic. Get a guy next year if we don't like the guys this year.
There are at least 3 and people here have added one or two more potential franchise Qb's. Let's say 4 for argument's sake.
It will be highly unlikely that these guys are going 1-4. Has 4 QB's in a row to start the draft ever happened? Will there be no quality position players in the draft? Let's say this draft class of 4 is equivalent to 2018. Maybe it's overall better but say it's equal. That puts the #4 QB at the #10 spot (i.e. in Rosen's place). So, to get one, the Giants have to be drafting in the first 10 spots.
So, where will they draft? Well, all you mortgage the future, trade Rosen or move up form 6 to get Murray/Haskins must think we will suck with our current QB. Otherwise, why the desperation? The easy peasy...we are already in the top 10.
What if DG is more right then wrong and Eli's 2018 post-bye performance is more representative of his current ability and we also use the 2019 second rounder to pick an RT who makes his way into the lineup and performs well. Well, then the offense is better and the team wins more. However, it would be wildly optimistic to believe that every hole is filled. So we win more and end up a middling team picking somewhere in the mid-teens. Honestly then I think that this is the most likely scenario.
So, we have to trade up from mid-teens to top 10. DG was here when we went 8 to #1 for ELi; he knows that cost. Going from say 15 to 8-10 would cost far less. Even if he wants to move higher he is already on record about trading the sun and moon to get what he wants. So, he puts together assets. Maybe a couple #1's and some higher 2020 picks. Yeah, other than (for example, Fromm), our 2020 draft sucks but we did a good job hole-filling in 2019 with 12 picks (or maybe we actually have more 2020 picks (or better 2019 players) because he consolidated some of those 12, and we have a shot load of cap space (did I read the most in the league somewhere?) to go FA in 2020 as opposed to the draft.
But what about competition? Well, right off the bat we can subtract 6 teams just from the 2018-2019 QB drafts. We can also take out teams that have younger QB's where a commitment has been made (e.g. DAL, PHL, KC, etc). Those teams either will finish worse than us and have no realistic reason to pick a QB or they will be better than us and no realistic reason to want to trade in front of us. The you can look at the teams with aging QB's (NO, SD, NE, etc). Odds are that they will finish better than us (worse draft-wise) so we will have a huge competitive advantage in a trade-up competition. Of the remaining teams, likely half or more will finish better than us and we will also have a competitive advantage in a trade-up. And these are all trade-ups to get one of *4*.
The weakest case we have, which I think is also the least likely, would be if we made the playoffs (deep) and even won the SB. We could still trade-up but now the cost would be huge. DG likely would still pay it so it may not be prohibitive, but perhaps we are at too much of a disadvantage. So here in this one scenario, I would be wrong and you would be right and we won't be assured of getting our next franchise QB. My only response to that is "fuck it. We won the SB, we made the playoffs, it was a joy to watch this competitive team and I'll be damn glad to ride Eli for another year".
like all 4. Oh well if they can only trade up to 10 they can take the guy that is there. That is not how you should be drafting a QB. All signs are pointing to the Cards getting rid of the guy that they took at 10 last year. I keep saying you only need to pick one guy.
like all 4. Oh well if they can only trade up to 10 they can take the guy that is there. That is not how you should be drafting a QB. All signs are pointing to the Cards getting rid of the guy that they took at 10 last year. I keep saying you only need to pick one guy.
If you can ensure a franchise QB will available around 10, then everybody ahead of that spot should trade back and get more value and pick there. What a waste taking a QB with the overall #1...
like all 4. Oh well if they can only trade up to 10 they can take the guy that is there. That is not how you should be drafting a QB. All signs are pointing to the Cards getting rid of the guy that they took at 10 last year. I keep saying you only need to pick one guy.
If you can ensure a franchise QB will available around 10, then everybody ahead of that spot should trade back and get more value and pick there. What a waste taking a QB with the overall #1...
It's one of four. Of course, the caveat is that you'd have to see all four equally. But we're already in just take a Qb, any QB, so that we have a QB territory anyway around here.
The name is “pick six”
Pick Six NFL Podcast Biggest NFL Free Agency Storylines with Brady Quinn... - ( New Window )
You mean encyclopodcast?
I skimmed til 10:00 and currently at 17:00 and they're still talking about the Giants, it is good haven't gotten to QB part of it yet.
21:25 for the QB talk for those interested
If DG gets a bargain deal for Rosen (if Rosen is truly a franchise QB, who knows)....many heads will explode.
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Exactly and he is on point.
Actually, what he says is that they don't need to take a QB because Eli has plenty left which is fine. But then he says they can get one of the top three next year because they may be bad enough to be in position to draft one if them. Really? That's what he and others here are banking the future of the team on. That they may be bad enough to be in position to draft one if them. And if they go even 8-8 then what. I don't think they should force a QB pick but thinking they can get one of the top three next year because they may be bad enough to be in position to draft one if them is not a plan it's a fantasy.
Brady is on Sirius every weekday at 11am. He's shaping himself into a solid radio guy. He's come a long way from the bad suit and terrible body language in the green room.
- Giants don't have to force taking a QB this year because they have Eli
- Eli threw for his 3rd most yards in his career last year and he's durable so whats the issue
- There will be a bunch of QBs available in the 2020 draft
So Quinn (imv) promotes Giants "punting" one more year unless Giants love a QB in this draft. And then simply draft one next year and start that rookie in 2020.
Did I capture it?
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He absolutely destroys many of the arguments being posted daily on BBI
Actually, what he says is that they don't need to take a QB because Eli has plenty left which is fine. But then he says they can get one of the top three next year because they may be bad enough to be in position to draft one if them. Really? That's what he and others here are banking the future of the team on. That they may be bad enough to be in position to draft one if them. And if they go even 8-8 then what. I don't think they should force a QB pick but thinking they can get one of the top three next year because they may be bad enough to be in position to draft one if them is not a plan it's a fantasy.
He also contradicted himself by saying he doesn't think the Giants will be that bad this year so how do get into the top 3 draft spots?
Three QBs likely stretches out to near the #10 pick in the draft.
Yep
He also said no one is complaining about Tom Brady's age -- and he compared Eli to Rivers.
He made some really good points. Of course you can take the dim view and question it, but you can also say, don't rush into making the decision to bring in Eli's successor until you are ready to pull the trigger. That Eli is still a competent option to keep you in contention now and into the immediate future.
He also liked the Tate signing and the Giants' receiver options.
How does anyone think we are going to be in position to draft one of the top 3 QBs. Everyone here that wants to wait until 202 and this guy as well seem to leave out that little detail.
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He also contradicted himself by saying he doesn't think the Giants will be that bad this year so how do get into the top 3 draft spots?
How does anyone think we are going to be in position to draft one of the top 3 QBs. Everyone here that wants to wait until 202 and this guy as well seem to leave out that little detail.
I think many people have answered your question many times. You don't have to agree with the answers but please acknowledge that they were provided.
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He also contradicted himself by saying he doesn't think the Giants will be that bad this year so how do get into the top 3 draft spots?
How does anyone think we are going to be in position to draft one of the top 3 QBs. Everyone here that wants to wait until 202 and this guy as well seem to leave out that little detail.
I think many people have answered your question many times. You don't have to agree with the answers but please acknowledge that they were provided.
No. Actually, they haven't just like you here haven't. But please enlighten us.
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He also contradicted himself by saying he doesn't think the Giants will be that bad this year so how do get into the top 3 draft spots?
How does anyone think we are going to be in position to draft one of the top 3 QBs. Everyone here that wants to wait until 202 and this guy as well seem to leave out that little detail.
I think many people have answered your question many times. You don't have to agree with the answers but please acknowledge that they were provided.
I know that wasn't to me...but I have same question. How do we ensure we get into that position?
He made some really good points. Of course you can take the dim view and question it, but you can also say, don't rush into making the decision to bring in Eli's successor until you are ready to pull the trigger. That Eli is still a competent option to keep you in contention now and into the immediate future.
He also liked the Tate signing and the Giants' receiver options.
dim view? He made points that are made on this site everyday...not that they are right or wrong but its not some kind of "fresh take". I agree that we shouldn't just take a QB and if that means 2020 provides better options as to the overall restructuring plan then I am okay. But risk comes in many forms, and ultimately the Giants are going to have to take some level of it on no matter what they do. I think
Quinn's take was simply Eli is fine so no need to panic. Get a guy next year if we don't like the guys this year.
great...
It will be highly unlikely that these guys are going 1-4. Has 4 QB's in a row to start the draft ever happened? Will there be no quality position players in the draft? Let's say this draft class of 4 is equivalent to 2018. Maybe it's overall better but say it's equal. That puts the #4 QB at the #10 spot (i.e. in Rosen's place). So, to get one, the Giants have to be drafting in the first 10 spots.
So, where will they draft? Well, all you mortgage the future, trade Rosen or move up form 6 to get Murray/Haskins must think we will suck with our current QB. Otherwise, why the desperation? The easy peasy...we are already in the top 10.
What if DG is more right then wrong and Eli's 2018 post-bye performance is more representative of his current ability and we also use the 2019 second rounder to pick an RT who makes his way into the lineup and performs well. Well, then the offense is better and the team wins more. However, it would be wildly optimistic to believe that every hole is filled. So we win more and end up a middling team picking somewhere in the mid-teens. Honestly then I think that this is the most likely scenario.
So, we have to trade up from mid-teens to top 10. DG was here when we went 8 to #1 for ELi; he knows that cost. Going from say 15 to 8-10 would cost far less. Even if he wants to move higher he is already on record about trading the sun and moon to get what he wants. So, he puts together assets. Maybe a couple #1's and some higher 2020 picks. Yeah, other than (for example, Fromm), our 2020 draft sucks but we did a good job hole-filling in 2019 with 12 picks (or maybe we actually have more 2020 picks (or better 2019 players) because he consolidated some of those 12, and we have a shot load of cap space (did I read the most in the league somewhere?) to go FA in 2020 as opposed to the draft.
But what about competition? Well, right off the bat we can subtract 6 teams just from the 2018-2019 QB drafts. We can also take out teams that have younger QB's where a commitment has been made (e.g. DAL, PHL, KC, etc). Those teams either will finish worse than us and have no realistic reason to pick a QB or they will be better than us and no realistic reason to want to trade in front of us. The you can look at the teams with aging QB's (NO, SD, NE, etc). Odds are that they will finish better than us (worse draft-wise) so we will have a huge competitive advantage in a trade-up competition. Of the remaining teams, likely half or more will finish better than us and we will also have a competitive advantage in a trade-up. And these are all trade-ups to get one of *4*.
The weakest case we have, which I think is also the least likely, would be if we made the playoffs (deep) and even won the SB. We could still trade-up but now the cost would be huge. DG likely would still pay it so it may not be prohibitive, but perhaps we are at too much of a disadvantage. So here in this one scenario, I would be wrong and you would be right and we won't be assured of getting our next franchise QB. My only response to that is "fuck it. We won the SB, we made the playoffs, it was a joy to watch this competitive team and I'll be damn glad to ride Eli for another year".
Let me know when the next franchise guy is here...
Why's that...
Let me know when the next franchise guy is here...
Next April, do you want to call me or should I call you?
If you can ensure a franchise QB will available around 10, then everybody ahead of that spot should trade back and get more value and pick there. What a waste taking a QB with the overall #1...
Quinn's take was simply Eli is fine so no need to panic. Get a guy next year if we don't like the guys this year.
great...
yes that was his point -- but he's not just some poster that's here everyday spitting at a computer screen and drooling on his key board
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like all 4. Oh well if they can only trade up to 10 they can take the guy that is there. That is not how you should be drafting a QB. All signs are pointing to the Cards getting rid of the guy that they took at 10 last year. I keep saying you only need to pick one guy.
If you can ensure a franchise QB will available around 10, then everybody ahead of that spot should trade back and get more value and pick there. What a waste taking a QB with the overall #1...
It's one of four. Of course, the caveat is that you'd have to see all four equally. But we're already in just take a Qb, any QB, so that we have a QB territory anyway around here.