Well that is an explanation and thank you for taking the time to provide it. Now, that I've seen it in detail I think my response is just what my response was previously. That's not a plan that's a fantasy. Even given everything works out as you describe the Giants are left taking whoever the other teams didn't want not the player they want. Also, if it is a guy you like why wouldn't the team picking at 10 be just ecstatic they are getting a franchise QB with the 10. And, not to mention, that the top QBs could all be gone by 6 And that's just for starters.
All I've ever said about waiting until 2020 for a QB is that it's not a plan, it's a fantasy. I stand by my assessment.
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like all 4. Oh well if they can only trade up to 10 they can take the guy that is there. That is not how you should be drafting a QB. All signs are pointing to the Cards getting rid of the guy that they took at 10 last year. I keep saying you only need to pick one guy.
If you can ensure a franchise QB will available around 10, then everybody ahead of that spot should trade back and get more value and pick there. What a waste taking a QB with the overall #1...
It's one of four. Of course, the caveat is that you'd have to see all four equally. But we're already in just take a Qb, any QB, so that we have a QB territory anyway around here.
But we aren't in a "just take any QB" situation around here.
The front office(s) for the past several years has not seen the need to change out from Eli otherwise they would have actually done it. And since we paid his bonus and promised him the starting job this year, this trend continues under DG.
Eli will be lame duck QB for 2019 and the Giants will continue delaying/punting an inevitable change until there is no other choice. Maybe we will get lucky in that circumstance and we will find bOTH a QB within our reach AND one the FO sees as a franchise type.
Well that is an explanation and thank you for taking the time to provide it. Now, that I've seen it in detail I think my response is just what my response was previously. That's not a plan that's a fantasy. Even given everything works out as you describe the Giants are left taking whoever the other teams didn't want not the player they want. Also, if it is a guy you like why wouldn't the team picking at 10 be just ecstatic they are getting a franchise QB with the 10. And, not to mention, that the top QBs could all be gone by 6 And that's just for starters.
All I've ever said about waiting until 2020 for a QB is that it's not a plan, it's a fantasy. I stand by my assessment.
I think grab what you can in 2019 isn't any different a plan.
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like all 4. Oh well if they can only trade up to 10 they can take the guy that is there. That is not how you should be drafting a QB. All signs are pointing to the Cards getting rid of the guy that they took at 10 last year. I keep saying you only need to pick one guy.
If you can ensure a franchise QB will available around 10, then everybody ahead of that spot should trade back and get more value and pick there. What a waste taking a QB with the overall #1...
It's one of four. Of course, the caveat is that you'd have to see all four equally. But we're already in just take a Qb, any QB, so that we have a QB territory anyway around here.
But we aren't in a "just take any QB" situation around here.
The front office(s) for the past several years has not seen the need to change out from Eli otherwise they would have actually done it. And since we paid his bonus and promised him the starting job this year, this trend continues under DG.
Eli will be lame duck QB for 2019 and the Giants will continue delaying/punting an inevitable change until there is no other choice. Maybe we will get lucky in that circumstance and we will find bOTH a QB within our reach AND one the FO sees as a franchise type.
and then again, maybe we won't find both...
I agree that he Giants are not in that situation. I meant on BBI
Well, I think taking what "BBI" has to say with a grain of salt Â
Well that is an explanation and thank you for taking the time to provide it. Now, that I've seen it in detail I think my response is just what my response was previously. That's not a plan that's a fantasy. Even given everything works out as you describe the Giants are left taking whoever the other teams didn't want not the player they want. Also, if it is a guy you like why wouldn't the team picking at 10 be just ecstatic they are getting a franchise QB with the 10. And, not to mention, that the top QBs could all be gone by 6 And that's just for starters.
All I've ever said about waiting until 2020 for a QB is that it's not a plan, it's a fantasy. I stand by my assessment.
I think grab what you can in 2019 isn't any different a plan.
I never said anything like that. In fact, just above I said "I don't think they should force a QB pick". And if you're on the Haskins Pro Day thread I think you'd see that getting Haskins would be far from grabbing "what you can in 2019."
If you're talking first round, I'm going to disagree with you there. Â
like all 4. Oh well if they can only trade up to 10 they can take the guy that is there. That is not how you should be drafting a QB. All signs are pointing to the Cards getting rid of the guy that they took at 10 last year. I keep saying you only need to pick one guy.
If you can ensure a franchise QB will available around 10, then everybody ahead of that spot should trade back and get more value and pick there. What a waste taking a QB with the overall #1...
It's one of four. Of course, the caveat is that you'd have to see all four equally. But we're already in just take a Qb, any QB, so that we have a QB territory anyway around here.
But we aren't in a "just take any QB" situation around here.
The front office(s) for the past several years has not seen the need to change out from Eli otherwise they would have actually done it. And since we paid his bonus and promised him the starting job this year, this trend continues under DG.
Eli will be lame duck QB for 2019 and the Giants will continue delaying/punting an inevitable change until there is no other choice. Maybe we will get lucky in that circumstance and we will find bOTH a QB within our reach AND one the FO sees as a franchise type.
and then again, maybe we won't find both...
So just to be clear, you’re opinion is that we should just get a QB... any QB other than Eli?
Also - DG specifically said he did not make any promises to Eli, so not sure where you got this idea that Eli was promised the job. Then again, the alternative at this point is Tanney/Lauletta, so I think it is safe to say Eli will start.
So just to be clear, you’re opinion is that we should just get a QB... any QB other than Eli?
Also - DG specifically said he did not make any promises to Eli, so not sure where you got this idea that Eli was promised the job. Then again, the alternative at this point is Tanney/Lauletta, so I think it is safe to say Eli will start.
My opinion is we better have a short list of QBs worth drafting in 2019 AND 2020, and rank them accordingly right now. I don't care that its a year off...that is the situation the team put itself in by punting the QB decision until now.
Fine with pushing this QB selection until next year but ONLY IF the evaluation today warrants waiting. Unfortunately, it puts that much more pressure on the evals next year and the means to acquire as the kick the can strategy runs off the road at that point.
Whether you agree or not. Good counter to the prevailing narrative.
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Quinn's take was simply Eli is fine so no need to panic. Get a guy next year if we don't like the guys this year.
great...
yes that was his point -- but he's not just some poster that's here everyday spitting at a computer screen and drooling on his key board
Agreed, he also didn't come up with anything the droolers didnt on the situation.
All I've ever said about waiting until 2020 for a QB is that it's not a plan, it's a fantasy. I stand by my assessment.
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like all 4. Oh well if they can only trade up to 10 they can take the guy that is there. That is not how you should be drafting a QB. All signs are pointing to the Cards getting rid of the guy that they took at 10 last year. I keep saying you only need to pick one guy.
If you can ensure a franchise QB will available around 10, then everybody ahead of that spot should trade back and get more value and pick there. What a waste taking a QB with the overall #1...
It's one of four. Of course, the caveat is that you'd have to see all four equally. But we're already in just take a Qb, any QB, so that we have a QB territory anyway around here.
But we aren't in a "just take any QB" situation around here.
The front office(s) for the past several years has not seen the need to change out from Eli otherwise they would have actually done it. And since we paid his bonus and promised him the starting job this year, this trend continues under DG.
Eli will be lame duck QB for 2019 and the Giants will continue delaying/punting an inevitable change until there is no other choice. Maybe we will get lucky in that circumstance and we will find bOTH a QB within our reach AND one the FO sees as a franchise type.
and then again, maybe we won't find both...
All I've ever said about waiting until 2020 for a QB is that it's not a plan, it's a fantasy. I stand by my assessment.
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like all 4. Oh well if they can only trade up to 10 they can take the guy that is there. That is not how you should be drafting a QB. All signs are pointing to the Cards getting rid of the guy that they took at 10 last year. I keep saying you only need to pick one guy.
If you can ensure a franchise QB will available around 10, then everybody ahead of that spot should trade back and get more value and pick there. What a waste taking a QB with the overall #1...
It's one of four. Of course, the caveat is that you'd have to see all four equally. But we're already in just take a Qb, any QB, so that we have a QB territory anyway around here.
But we aren't in a "just take any QB" situation around here.
The front office(s) for the past several years has not seen the need to change out from Eli otherwise they would have actually done it. And since we paid his bonus and promised him the starting job this year, this trend continues under DG.
Eli will be lame duck QB for 2019 and the Giants will continue delaying/punting an inevitable change until there is no other choice. Maybe we will get lucky in that circumstance and we will find bOTH a QB within our reach AND one the FO sees as a franchise type.
and then again, maybe we won't find both...
I agree that he Giants are not in that situation. I meant on BBI
Except of course my posts...
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Well that is an explanation and thank you for taking the time to provide it. Now, that I've seen it in detail I think my response is just what my response was previously. That's not a plan that's a fantasy. Even given everything works out as you describe the Giants are left taking whoever the other teams didn't want not the player they want. Also, if it is a guy you like why wouldn't the team picking at 10 be just ecstatic they are getting a franchise QB with the 10. And, not to mention, that the top QBs could all be gone by 6 And that's just for starters.
All I've ever said about waiting until 2020 for a QB is that it's not a plan, it's a fantasy. I stand by my assessment.
I think grab what you can in 2019 isn't any different a plan.
I never said anything like that. In fact, just above I said "I don't think they should force a QB pick". And if you're on the Haskins Pro Day thread I think you'd see that getting Haskins would be far from grabbing "what you can in 2019."
At 6 if not sooner. And we're all entitled to our opinions.
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At 6 if not sooner. And we're all entitled to our opinions.
Well, I guess I can agree with the later part of this post while I shudder at the the thought of the first.
I'm the smart one.
(now watch the multitude of members post here just to refute that.)
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I can't deal with a debate between BillT and Bill L... I'm getting confused.
I'm the smart one.
(now watch the multitude of members post here just to refute that.)
He's right!
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In comment 14349449 Zeke's Alibi said:
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like all 4. Oh well if they can only trade up to 10 they can take the guy that is there. That is not how you should be drafting a QB. All signs are pointing to the Cards getting rid of the guy that they took at 10 last year. I keep saying you only need to pick one guy.
If you can ensure a franchise QB will available around 10, then everybody ahead of that spot should trade back and get more value and pick there. What a waste taking a QB with the overall #1...
It's one of four. Of course, the caveat is that you'd have to see all four equally. But we're already in just take a Qb, any QB, so that we have a QB territory anyway around here.
But we aren't in a "just take any QB" situation around here.
The front office(s) for the past several years has not seen the need to change out from Eli otherwise they would have actually done it. And since we paid his bonus and promised him the starting job this year, this trend continues under DG.
Eli will be lame duck QB for 2019 and the Giants will continue delaying/punting an inevitable change until there is no other choice. Maybe we will get lucky in that circumstance and we will find bOTH a QB within our reach AND one the FO sees as a franchise type.
and then again, maybe we won't find both...
So just to be clear, you’re opinion is that we should just get a QB... any QB other than Eli?
Also - DG specifically said he did not make any promises to Eli, so not sure where you got this idea that Eli was promised the job. Then again, the alternative at this point is Tanney/Lauletta, so I think it is safe to say Eli will start.
Brinson is a tool
So just to be clear, you’re opinion is that we should just get a QB... any QB other than Eli?
Also - DG specifically said he did not make any promises to Eli, so not sure where you got this idea that Eli was promised the job. Then again, the alternative at this point is Tanney/Lauletta, so I think it is safe to say Eli will start.
My opinion is we better have a short list of QBs worth drafting in 2019 AND 2020, and rank them accordingly right now. I don't care that its a year off...that is the situation the team put itself in by punting the QB decision until now.
Fine with pushing this QB selection until next year but ONLY IF the evaluation today warrants waiting. Unfortunately, it puts that much more pressure on the evals next year and the means to acquire as the kick the can strategy runs off the road at that point.
Got it now?