If the Giants decide that Rosen is the best "available" QB addition, I don't believe
pick #37 is enough to get a deal done, especially with NE sitting at 32, with ammo to move up.
I also believe a pure pick #17 is too much. I would offer picks 17 and 95 for
Rosen and the Cards pick #65.
Seems a realistic price for a potential, if tarnished, franchise QB. I would try
to close the deal as soon as possible.
Regardless of what we pay, if we try him at QB and he fails, we'll have wasted another couple of years.
I don't see a realistic scenario where we get him and he comes in immediately and starts, and if he comes in, sits behind eli and plays next year, he's already another year closer to his second contract.
This is wrong. Rosen is cheap. The cap hit is very manageable.
So if he isn’t the answer, and he should start right away to determine that, we’ll likely be bad again and back in the mix for a high draft pick.
We’re likely not going anywhere with Eli this year. So this year should be used as an audition.
It's dreaming to think a 3rd pick would net a young QB like Rosen. The bidding in all likelihood starts at a 2nd and goes up from there.
2.) If he does succeed, now you have to deal Murray and if it's preseason isn't lights out - good luck with that.
3.) If he doesn't succeed, now you have to take pennies on the dollar for Rosen b/c he didn't get the job done and every knows it
I think that if the Cards are hell bent on taking Murray - a draft day trade might net the most value for Rosen. Maybe a QB needy team panics if Lock, Haskins and Murray go early and they are willing to part with a mid to late round 1 or early rd 2 pick... that's prolly their best bet.
And for those saying he sucked last year go back and look at Josh Allen and Sam Darnold. Rosen's numbers are right in line with them except he had the worst OL in football. Neither the Jets nor Buffalo are trading their QB. The 37th pick for Rosen is still a huge advantage in our favor. Our third round pick is basically a 3rd round compensatory pick. If that is the best offer that Arizona gets why wouldn't they just hold onto him for 3 more years as insurance and then get a comp pick when he leaves via FA?
Totally agree robbie. Everyone talks like no one else is or will be interested. For the price he's getting paid and the little risk of getting him I'd be happy to get him for a 2 maybe even #17. Sy said he'd give up our 6 for him.
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One, if the best offer Arizona gets for Rosen is a third they will just hold onto him. They don't have to trade him. Two, we have no future QB. The longer we wait, the higher the price becomes because we lose leverage. We can play it off like we will take Haskins early. No QB available at 37 is going to be on par with Rosen.
And for those saying he sucked last year go back and look at Josh Allen and Sam Darnold. Rosen's numbers are right in line with them except he had the worst OL in football. Neither the Jets nor Buffalo are trading their QB. The 37th pick for Rosen is still a huge advantage in our favor. Our third round pick is basically a 3rd round compensatory pick. If that is the best offer that Arizona gets why wouldn't they just hold onto him for 3 more years as insurance and then get a comp pick when he leaves via FA?
Totally agree robbie. Everyone talks like no one else is or will be interested. For the price he's getting paid and the little risk of getting him I'd be happy to get him for a 2 maybe even #17. Sy said he'd give up our 6 for him.
Well then it is a good thing he isn't the GM. Giving up the 6th pick in the draft for a guy that went 10th last year, and then looked like shit his rookie year would be a disaster.
I watched most of them play Atlanta, Green Bay, Oakland, and Denver, and then bits and pieces of other games (mostly for various fantasy implications).
What you are seeing as a guy sticking in the pocket and making the throws, I saw as a guy that was indecisive and late on his reads. I don't remember which game it was exactly, but during one of them I do remember texting my brother and saying "watching Rosen play is giving me bad flashbacks to my days watching Dave Brown."
2. Seems like the only rumblings right now are Pats -- they would trade pick #32 (and maybe other picks ) that means Giants #2 pick is #36 pick which is in ballpark of Pats 1st rounder ... and if everything is equal .. Cards would go with Giants .. No team wants to do a high profile trade with NE for fear of being wrong.
3.After this year Giants are officially in team rebuild mode .. you will have a guarantee starter with load salary for 2 years - if things don't work out then in 2021 you draft new QB starter .
Just seems like a no brainer for Giants ..
Regardless of what we pay, if we try him at QB and he fails, we'll have wasted another couple of years.
I don't see a realistic scenario where we get him and he comes in immediately and starts, and if he comes in, sits behind eli and plays next year, he's already another year closer to his second contract.
I would only do it if you plan to bring him in and play him in 2019. If he lights it up then great, we have our franchise QB, otherwise draft another in 2020.
And no more than our 3rd for Rosen. If the Cards are willing to move him after 1 year, he has to be viewed as tainted goods. Plus we would be on the hook for 6+ mil per year guaranteed for 2 more years. That weighs heavily on his value.
But you are right, if you plan to sit him for a year behind Eli, then it makes no sense because you haven't learned anything about him going into the 202 draft, and you don't know if you need to move on.
But for a small enough investment, it would be worth a shot.
Like everyone else, I have no idea what offer AZ would accept to trade Rosen, but chances are multiple teams will be interested. And if that's the case, Rosen will be traded at his MARKET VALUE, not at some bargain price because people think that AZ has to trade him.
Think of it this way. You just accepted an offer for your dream job, but it's out of state and you're going to have to sell your house ASAP.
When your home goes on the market you get three offers within days. Do you lose leverage because you HAVE to sell or do you gain leverage because you have three bidders competing against one another to buy your home?
And I also agree with Robbie. If AZ only gets low-ball offers they may choose to keep Rosen. They could actually let Murray sit for half the season (like Eli did) and start Rosen. And if Rosen showed improvement in year two his value would likely increase.
youre out of your mind if you think they have any leverage. if they take murray, rosen is a goner...no way they keep two guys like that and create a QB controversy when they have so many needs. they will sip rosen to highest bidder to get as many draft picks as possible to fill needs....