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Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/20/2019 7:38 am
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I think  
Amtoft : 3/20/2019 12:42 pm : link
Haskins runs in the 4.8 range today. He isn't fast, but he isn't over 5 QB.
RE: I think  
bw in dc : 3/20/2019 12:50 pm : link
In comment 14349450 Amtoft said:
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Haskins runs in the 4.8 range today. He isn't fast, but he isn't over 5 QB.


Funny you bring this up. After all the great times at the Combine by the DLs and others, it was suggested in some circles that the Indy surface was "souped-up" to produce faster results. Some of the times this year caught a lot of people off guard - in terms of being better than expected...
RE: What seems clear to me is that the Giants are a year late  
Eric on Li : 3/20/2019 12:54 pm : link
In comment 14349395 Go Terps said:
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The prospects last year were much more appealing IMO.


Mayfield/Darnold yes, the others no. But they didn't have a shot at Mayfield. Darnold's tools are better vs. Jones/Haskins, but I'm not sure if he has the field vision either of those 2 have. He was much more mistake prone in college. Are Haskins/Jones + Barkley > Darnold? I'd probably hedge and say yes if you're asking to pick which group I'd rather have as a fan.
He's a Jersey boy  
Jay in Toronto : 3/20/2019 1:07 pm : link
of course they would take him out to dinner.

;)
RE: RE: RE: They had dinner with Darnold and Rosen too  
BSIMatt : 3/20/2019 1:08 pm : link
In comment 14349447 Jimmy Googs said:
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And didn't draft them.
Due diligence.



This is true, but I'll add..the Giants are drafting 6th, not 2nd..and there's no Saquon Barkley in this draft.



maybe there is and he just doesn't play RB...



I meant that as a prospect that stood out like Saquon, regardless of position. Bosa and Williams aren't graded, or regarded as highly as Barkley was coming out. The only thing that put the quarterbacks in discussion with Saquon was positional importance. None of the quarterbacks as pure prospects carried a grade anywhere near him, he was in his own tier..but they were quarterbacks and because of the importance of the position, they were in the discussion.


Carry that forward to this year, at 6 slot, I'm not sure a prospect is there that clearly distinguishes himself like that for the Giants, and Haskins grade seems to be right in the mix with last years group of quarterbacks.
Are Haskins/Jones + Barkley > Darnold?  
Torrag : 3/20/2019 1:10 pm : link
Interesting way to look at it and I agree. I'd rather have Barkley/Haskins than Darnold/White-Sweat-etc.
I Think Haskins Will Be Great  
Giants38 : 3/20/2019 1:17 pm : link
So I hope heís the pick. I think his improvement from start 1 to start 14 was noticeable. Part of the reason he didnít face pressure was his ability to identify it pre-snap and adjust line assignments. Thatís incredible for such an inexperienced guy. A guy with his arm talent and his intelligence and football smarts - which donít appear in question - will not fail. Iím confident the guy is going to be a stud.

Incidentally, a guy many of us wanted as GM last year - Louis Riddick - is attending the OSU pro day (and only this pro day), to watch his top ranked QB in action.

Yes, the red zone troubles are an issue. But his accuracy at all levels and even under pressure - as shown by Ian Whartonís chart - is incredible. Yes, many of you try to poke holes in it. But the guy is a stud in my book.
That gal reporter who tried to definitively state  
BlueLou'sBack : 3/20/2019 1:22 pm : link
that the Giants had no interest in Haskins at 6 got played. As did a few others preaching that line.

Like it or lump it, Haskins is in serious consideration at 6, and that's not smoke. No way the contingent Mike G noted, Shurmur, Shula, Chris Mara, Chris Petit and whomever else he mentioned are holding private meetings and dinner with Haskins to blow smoke up anyone's ASS.

That just ain't happening.
RE: That gal reporter who tried to definitively state  
BSIMatt : 3/20/2019 1:24 pm : link
In comment 14349548 BlueLou'sBack said:
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that the Giants had no interest in Haskins at 6 got played. As did a few others preaching that line.

Like it or lump it, Haskins is in serious consideration at 6, and that's not smoke. No way the contingent Mike G noted, Shurmur, Shula, Chris Mara, Chris Petit and whomever else he mentioned are holding private meetings and dinner with Haskins to blow smoke up anyone's ASS.

That just ain't happening.


Exactly, Actions speak louder than words.
RE: RE: What seems clear to me is that the Giants are a year late  
Go Terps : 3/20/2019 1:31 pm : link
In comment 14349470 Eric on Li said:
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The prospects last year were much more appealing IMO.



Mayfield/Darnold yes, the others no. But they didn't have a shot at Mayfield. Darnold's tools are better vs. Jones/Haskins, but I'm not sure if he has the field vision either of those 2 have. He was much more mistake prone in college. Are Haskins/Jones + Barkley > Darnold? I'd probably hedge and say yes if you're asking to pick which group I'd rather have as a fan.


I don't agree with your assessment of this year's QBs...particularly Haskins. I don't want any part of a QB with shitty feet, and Haskins has shitty feet.

Darnold + Devin White is better than Haskins/Jones + Barkley by quite a bit, in my view. With the former I've got the guys that are going to run my offense and defense. Bedrock players. With the latter I've got a QB with either shitty feet or a weak arm and a running back. No comparison.
RE: RE: I think  
Amtoft : 3/20/2019 1:35 pm : link
In comment 14349459 bw in dc said:
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Haskins runs in the 4.8 range today. He isn't fast, but he isn't over 5 QB.



Funny you bring this up. After all the great times at the Combine by the DLs and others, it was suggested in some circles that the Indy surface was "souped-up" to produce faster results. Some of the times this year caught a lot of people off guard - in terms of being better than expected...


I think Ohio State has a fast track and I think he did have issues with his legs cramping. He also looked a little out of shape. I would expect they spent a lot of time working on him running faster. He isn't fast at all though, but he pretty good feet in my opinion.
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arcarsenal : 3/20/2019 1:35 pm : link
Funny... Louis Riddick is talking about how Haskins is displaying good footwork right now during his pro day.

He does have questions about his footwork, but it's in specific areas and instances. To say he just has shitty footwork in general is lazy and not true.

His biggest footwork questions are on his deep ball and how he resets himself when he's forced out of the pocket.

His standard pocket footwork really isn't much of a problem and isn't nearly as bad as I think you're making it seem
Everyone looks great in their pro day  
Go Terps : 3/20/2019 1:39 pm : link
Let's see how he looks in the NFL against A gap pressure with Fletcher Cox pressuring in the A gap.

It isn't lazy to say he has shitty feet. It's the truth, it's backed up by analysts all over the place, and it was borne out on the field by Ohio State being one of the worst red zone teams in the country. No thanks on this guy.
Yikes  
Go Terps : 3/20/2019 1:40 pm : link
Say "A gap" again, dickhead. Typing on your phone sucks sometimes.
And Haskins is going into the shop for a year  
Oscar : 3/20/2019 1:40 pm : link
If he comes to the Giants. They can address any bad habits.
RE: RE: As Joey said pocket mobility and awareness  
.McL. : 3/20/2019 1:42 pm : link
In comment 14349437 bw in dc said:
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THe example I like to use is Herbert. Coming into this year, everybody thought Herbert was the next great thing. Some may still think so, but in general I think there is some tarnish on his star. From about game start 18 and on he struggled. I believe that part of his struggle was that teams caught on that he was a 1 read and run guy. Teams started defending that, and Herbert couldn't adjust. I have never seen Herbert as a guy that confidently goes through progressions and that's a problem for the NFL. But it wasn't obvious until after game start 18 or so...





I was off Herbert early because the hype didn't match the game day production. But it's very clear that Herbert has a ton of tools. He's a terrific, gited athlete and I'm really interested to see how h progresses this year.

I'll say this. I think Herbert, like almost all college QBs, would also look very good with the Buckeye offense last year. That were loaded.

Yeah, I always had issues with the 1 read and run offense. there were suggestions that it was the system and not him. So I was anxious to see progression from him (in both senses of the word in this context!). We didn't get it, and you're right the production didn't match the hype. He has all the physical tools, size, mobility, arm strength, nice spiral, decent accuracy... I just not sure he can process all the reads though. Doesn't seem like it, because once defenders started taking away that 1st read, and they had somebody spying, then it was time to adjust the system. Neither the system nor the QB adjusted. That says something to me.
I'd take Barkley over Devin White every day  
BSIMatt : 3/20/2019 1:42 pm : link
and twice on Sundays.

With regards to the quarterbacks, I think somehow, last years class is being overvalued. The closer it came to the draft, the more it seemed there was no consensus as to who even was the top quarterback. It wasn't until very late that Mayfield emerged as a candidate for #1 overall, but till that point most did not consider him the top prospect..early on it seemed a Darnold/Rosen race. Even right up to the draft there seemed to be no consensus on the ordering of last years QB prospects. They all had their strengths, but they all had issues. For Darnold, the one point that came up was that he seemingly regressed in his last year , and had issues with ball security(36 turnovers in two years). None of these QBs coming out last year came without questions or concerns.
RE: Everyone looks great in their pro day  
Amtoft : 3/20/2019 1:44 pm : link
In comment 14349587 Go Terps said:
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Let's see how he looks in the NFL against A gap pressure with Fletcher Cox pressuring in the A gap.

It isn't lazy to say he has shitty feet. It's the truth, it's backed up by analysts all over the place, and it was borne out on the field by Ohio State being one of the worst red zone teams in the country. No thanks on this guy.


When I say he has good feet I mean he drifts in the pocket well. He had a lot of pressure this year playing against a lot of top Def and made some bad throws off the back of his foot and didn't always throw with lower body etc. When I say good feet I mean how he drifts while reading plays. He has work on throwing on bad feet.
RE: And Haskins is going into the shop for a year  
Go Terps : 3/20/2019 1:44 pm : link
In comment 14349595 Oscar said:
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If he comes to the Giants. They can address any bad habits.


You can't draft a QB #6 overall and then sit him for a year. It's a horrendous use of a key resource that could be used to help the team now in 2019. If you draft him with no intention of playing him, why not just wait a year to draft a QB?
Red zone offense  
Kyle in NY : 3/20/2019 1:45 pm : link
struggled in the middle of the season because OSU's run game really took a step back this past year, not because of Haskins' "shitty feet." OSU OL was not a great rum blocking unit..
RE: RE: And Haskins is going into the shop for a year  
Amtoft : 3/20/2019 1:46 pm : link
In comment 14349603 Go Terps said:
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If he comes to the Giants. They can address any bad habits.



You can't draft a QB #6 overall and then sit him for a year. It's a horrendous use of a key resource that could be used to help the team now in 2019. If you draft him with no intention of playing him, why not just wait a year to draft a QB?


Didn't you want a QB last year who would have sat behind Eli then also?
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.McL. : 3/20/2019 1:46 pm : link
In comment 14349581 arcarsenal said:
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Funny... Louis Riddick is talking about how Haskins is displaying good footwork right now during his pro day.

He does have questions about his footwork, but it's in specific areas and instances. To say he just has shitty footwork in general is lazy and not true.

His biggest footwork questions are on his deep ball and how he resets himself when he's forced out of the pocket.

His standard pocket footwork really isn't much of a problem and isn't nearly as bad as I think you're making it seem


I think the problem with what you said though is, how often do NFL QBs have the luxury of "standard pocket footwork"?

But again, he has so little experience, you have to cut him some slack and say it may be coachable...

But again, he has so little experience, its what you don't know.
RE: RE: And Haskins is going into the shop for a year  
Default : 3/20/2019 1:48 pm : link
In comment 14349603 Go Terps said:
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If he comes to the Giants. They can address any bad habits.



You can't draft a QB #6 overall and then sit him for a year. It's a horrendous use of a key resource that could be used to help the team now in 2019. If you draft him with no intention of playing him, why not just wait a year to draft a QB?


It's the same team that is using a $23 million dollar cap hit for a QB that would be valued at half that on another team, not to mention used a #2 pick overall on a RB.

Nothing this team does anymore would surprise me.
Amtoft  
Go Terps : 3/20/2019 1:49 pm : link
I wanted to release Eli and draft a QB last year. I still would release Eli, but I wouldn't draft any of these QBs in round 1.
Haskins is not the statue  
Kyle in NY : 3/20/2019 1:51 pm : link
that he's being made out to be by some. I'm guessing there's a lot of parroting of analysis going on without actually watching the guy play. Last few games of the season he showed he was capable of moving in the pocket, resetting after coming off his spot, and throwing from different platforms. He's not elite at it, at least not yet, but we're not talking Byron Leftwich here.
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arcarsenal : 3/20/2019 1:51 pm : link
In comment 14349608 .McL. said:
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Funny... Louis Riddick is talking about how Haskins is displaying good footwork right now during his pro day.

He does have questions about his footwork, but it's in specific areas and instances. To say he just has shitty footwork in general is lazy and not true.

His biggest footwork questions are on his deep ball and how he resets himself when he's forced out of the pocket.

His standard pocket footwork really isn't much of a problem and isn't nearly as bad as I think you're making it seem



I think the problem with what you said though is, how often do NFL QBs have the luxury of "standard pocket footwork"?

But again, he has so little experience, you have to cut him some slack and say it may be coachable...

But again, he has so little experience, its what you don't know.


There's an incorrect narrative that formed about Haskins and pressure - which is that he struggled and couldn't handle it.

This isn't reality as much as there's not a ton of tape on him facing it in general. And when he did, the numbers actually say he fared pretty well..

His footwork will need to improve in some areas, but his feet are not bad all around and it would be crazy to take him off the board based on that alone.

Haskins got better all year long and he's still ascending. The guy we see right now is not the final product.

Riddick and McShay both sound very high on him. Just made a beautiful throw down the left sideline.

Look - if you want to poke holes in Haskins' game, you can - you can do it with everyone. Name a QB you like, I'll find things about them and say "well, I don't like this, so...."

Some guys have fewer flaws than others.

Haskins isn't a perfect prospect, but there's a lot to like here. At least that's how I feel.
This whole GL talk is lazy  
Amtoft : 3/20/2019 1:51 pm : link
First of all a spread offense inside the 10 is not a good offense. It is why most teams run big offense and throws are usually off play action. If you can't run inside the 10 then you are going to struggle as there is no threat. He wasn't bad at say the 17, but when the field shrunk and teams knew they couldn't run... that isn't a recipe for success.
RE: Amtoft  
Amtoft : 3/20/2019 1:52 pm : link
In comment 14349613 Go Terps said:
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I wanted to release Eli and draft a QB last year. I still would release Eli, but I wouldn't draft any of these QBs in round 1.


That is interesting. Sorry didn't realize that is what you wanted. I would prefer to play Haskins like we did with Eli in his first year. Starting him day one isn't always the best way IMO.
arc is on point  
Kyle in NY : 3/20/2019 1:53 pm : link
and I've actually said I'd probably rather go defense at #6. But he's absolutely a day 1 QB
He looks leaner  
Amtoft : 3/20/2019 1:54 pm : link
today which is good to see.
He's not a perfect prospect, as were none of the quarterbacks  
BSIMatt : 3/20/2019 1:56 pm : link
available in the top ten a year ago. Putting Darnold on a pedestal and ripping Haskins is bad comedy.
RE: RE: Amtoft  
Go Terps : 3/20/2019 1:56 pm : link
In comment 14349623 Amtoft said:
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I wanted to release Eli and draft a QB last year. I still would release Eli, but I wouldn't draft any of these QBs in round 1.



That is interesting. Sorry didn't realize that is what you wanted. I would prefer to play Haskins like we did with Eli in his first year. Starting him day one isn't always the best way IMO.


The only reason to go forward with Eli is to try to win with him this year.
That's the path the front office has chosen, and as such they should work to surround him with the best possible pieces. That means drafting players at 6 & 17 to play now.
RE: arc is on point  
Amtoft : 3/20/2019 1:57 pm : link
In comment 14349626 Kyle in NY said:
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and I've actually said I'd probably rather go defense at #6. But he's absolutely a day 1 QB


Yeah to be clear I would rather go Joey Bosa, Quinnen Wiliams, Josh Allen, Kyler Murray, Ed Oliver, and then Montez Sweat in that order, but I like Haskins and think he will be very good. If he had another year I would have him as my 4th best, but the lack of experience is to risky with such talent available.
RE: RE: RE: Amtoft  
Amtoft : 3/20/2019 1:58 pm : link
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I wanted to release Eli and draft a QB last year. I still would release Eli, but I wouldn't draft any of these QBs in round 1.



That is interesting. Sorry didn't realize that is what you wanted. I would prefer to play Haskins like we did with Eli in his first year. Starting him day one isn't always the best way IMO.



The only reason to go forward with Eli is to try to win with him this year.
That's the path the front office has chosen, and as such they should work to surround him with the best possible pieces. That means drafting players at 6 & 17 to play now.


I don't agree... I think easing QBs in if you can is the way to go. I mean look how bad QBs struggle when they are rushed. Goff for example people wanted to run out of town. ease them in I think is a better way to go if you can. Just different thinking who knows which way is better for each QB
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arcarsenal : 3/20/2019 2:03 pm : link
I don't look at a model when it comes to QB's and how you break them in - I look at the player.

A guy who is a 3 year starter in college and guys from big programs with experience are usually fine to go with out of the gates.

But limited experience, guys from smaller programs... guys who are raw and need development - it can benefit a player like this to spend a few weeks on the sidelines.

Lamar Jackson, for instance, he did well enough when he got the gig - but he wouldn't have been ready in Week 1 and likely would have struggled a lot. They needed time with him to coach him up and install packages they could run with him since they wren't going to approach the passing attack the same way as they had been with Flacco.

It's a player basis - it's not a one-size-fits-all scenario. Or at least it shouldn't be.
If they draft a QB, and the year goes the way the roster indicates  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/20/2019 2:06 pm : link
that it's going to, a rookie QB is going to get 4 games to play at the end of the year.
RE: RE: arc is on point  
Kyle in NY : 3/20/2019 2:07 pm : link
In comment 14349640 Amtoft said:
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and I've actually said I'd probably rather go defense at #6. But he's absolutely a day 1 QB



Yeah to be clear I would rather go Joey Bosa, Quinnen Wiliams, Josh Allen, Kyler Murray, Ed Oliver, and then Montez Sweat in that order, but I like Haskins and think he will be very good. If he had another year I would have him as my 4th best, but the lack of experience is to risky with such talent available.


One more year would certainly help the eval process. But consider the strides he made in his first year as a starter. He improved vastly across the board. He's still so inexperienced, there's a lot to work with.
first year starter  
GiantGrit : 3/20/2019 2:11 pm : link
At a powerhouse with monumental expectations (who also had their HC suspended) comes in and

70 % completion
50 touchdowns
8 picks

"lack of experience concerns me"

Why? He wouldn't be starting day 1.

Guy has the exact temperament you want from a quarterback. Very smart football iq. He's young BUT has had success reading defenses.



This is coming from someone who did not like him at first.
inexperience goes both ways  
GiantGrit : 3/20/2019 2:12 pm : link
I'd argue his success with a lack of experience makes him even more enticing.
Thatís funny  
djm : 3/20/2019 2:17 pm : link
I could swear I saw a bunch of ďleaksĒ from various outlets screaming that the giants didnít like Haskins. BBI of course insisted that these leaks are a sign of a dysfunctional organization. On que, one week later we now get a different report.

Leaks = bullshit.
RE: inexperience goes both ways  
Zeke's Alibi : 3/20/2019 2:21 pm : link
In comment 14349697 GiantGrit said:
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I'd argue his success with a lack of experience makes him even more enticing.


Yeah it is interesting. Guy stays and plays like he did last year and he is in the discussion with Tua and Fromm for sure.
RE: inexperience goes both ways  
FatMan in Charlotte : 3/20/2019 2:26 pm : link
In comment 14349697 GiantGrit said:
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I'd argue his success with a lack of experience makes him even more enticing.


While that is one side, history has shown that QB's who have just a season under their belts have failed more often than similarly rated prospects with multiple years as a starter.

But there are some notable exceptions, so it isn't a hard and fast rule.
RE: inexperience goes both ways  
Amtoft : 3/20/2019 2:28 pm : link
In comment 14349697 GiantGrit said:
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I'd argue his success with a lack of experience makes him even more enticing.


More exciting, but also more risky. His upside is huge and honestly I think his low is an average NFL QB. However the lack of experience means you are risking a lot on your franchise. There is statistics on QBs and starts and amount of throws etc. The less the more chance of bust.
RE: RE: inexperience goes both ways  
Zeke's Alibi : 3/20/2019 2:29 pm : link
In comment 14349745 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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I'd argue his success with a lack of experience makes him even more enticing.



While that is one side, history has shown that QB's who have just a season under their belts have failed more often than similarly rated prospects with multiple years as a starter.

But there are some notable exceptions, so it isn't a hard and fast rule.


I don't think its a product of actually only playing one year worth of games. It's the why they were only one year starters. If they were NFL QB's why didn't the surpass the guy ahead of them. I think Haskins answers that well because Urban wants running QBs and JT Barrett is the protoype he wants to run his offense.
RE: RE: inexperience goes both ways  
GiantGrit : 3/20/2019 2:33 pm : link
In comment 14349745 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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I'd argue his success with a lack of experience makes him even more enticing.



While that is one side, history has shown that QB's who have just a season under their belts have failed more often than similarly rated prospects with multiple years as a starter.

But there are some notable exceptions, so it isn't a hard and fast rule.


No doubt. He's not a sure thing. He is capable of making any throw...i'm sold on his football IQ and work ethic. Maryland back shoulder fade with under a minute left popped to me. Excellent ball placement. I think with quarterbacks especially, fit is so so important. This kid is a perfect culture fit. It doesn't feel like a force - it feels the opposite way actually. More and more i see of him, the more comfortable i am with the idea of him being the next guy.
It's a variance thing  
AcesUp : 3/20/2019 2:45 pm : link
1 year QBs bust more because there is simply less tape on the guys. There's less opportunity to expose warts on the player. Take Haskins composure under pressure, you're seeing wildly differing opinions on him there. It probably has to do with him looking God awful against pressure early and improving as the season went. It's still a huge question, one that could better be answered with another year.

This is only going to become more and more common.
Players are more business savvy now and understand the importance of getting to that 2nd contract as quickly as possible. Also, the new CBA has only made rookie QBs more valuable, so teams are more likely than ever to take that gamble there. From the player perspective, the money on the first contract at #1 overall vs #10 overall isn't remotely as exaggerated as it was a decade ago. There's not a whole lot of incentive to wait it out to try to be the top overall pick if you're already getting an early round 1 projection. The Parcells thing about 3 year starters is as good as dead, you'll be looking at too narrow a pool.
RE: RE: RE: inexperience goes both ways  
Pan-handler : 3/20/2019 2:49 pm : link
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I'd argue his success with a lack of experience makes him even more enticing.



While that is one side, history has shown that QB's who have just a season under their belts have failed more often than similarly rated prospects with multiple years as a starter.

But there are some notable exceptions, so it isn't a hard and fast rule.



No doubt. He's not a sure thing. He is capable of making any throw...i'm sold on his football IQ and work ethic. Maryland back shoulder fade with under a minute left popped to me. Excellent ball placement. I think with quarterbacks especially, fit is so so important. This kid is a perfect culture fit. It doesn't feel like a force - it feels the opposite way actually. More and more i see of him, the more comfortable i am with the idea of him being the next guy.


Really well put.
Gettleman  
BigBlueCane : 3/20/2019 2:50 pm : link
looks like he's going to break one of his own rules, regarding talking himself into liking a player b/c of position with Haskins.

Was Gettleman even at this dinner?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/20/2019 3:21 pm : link
I'm seeing comments that suggest he wasn't one of the people there.
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.McL. : 3/20/2019 5:42 pm : link
In comment 14349618 arcarsenal said:
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Funny... Louis Riddick is talking about how Haskins is displaying good footwork right now during his pro day.

He does have questions about his footwork, but it's in specific areas and instances. To say he just has shitty footwork in general is lazy and not true.

His biggest footwork questions are on his deep ball and how he resets himself when he's forced out of the pocket.

His standard pocket footwork really isn't much of a problem and isn't nearly as bad as I think you're making it seem



I think the problem with what you said though is, how often do NFL QBs have the luxury of "standard pocket footwork"?

But again, he has so little experience, you have to cut him some slack and say it may be coachable...

But again, he has so little experience, its what you don't know.



There's an incorrect narrative that formed about Haskins and pressure - which is that he struggled and couldn't handle it.

This isn't reality as much as there's not a ton of tape on him facing it in general. And when he did, the numbers actually say he fared pretty well..

His footwork will need to improve in some areas, but his feet are not bad all around and it would be crazy to take him off the board based on that alone.

Haskins got better all year long and he's still ascending. The guy we see right now is not the final product.

Riddick and McShay both sound very high on him. Just made a beautiful throw down the left sideline.

Look - if you want to poke holes in Haskins' game, you can - you can do it with everyone. Name a QB you like, I'll find things about them and say "well, I don't like this, so...."

Some guys have fewer flaws than others.

Haskins isn't a perfect prospect, but there's a lot to like here. At least that's how I feel.


Yeah, I'm not concerned at this point with any of his flaws. I haven't seen anything that absolutely takes him off the board.

He does get sloppy with his feet at times
He unnecessarily sidearms the ball sometimes
He has a funny wrist motion during his release

I tend to think all that can be cleaned up with coaching and experience.
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