THe example I like to use is Herbert. Coming into this year, everybody thought Herbert was the next great thing. Some may still think so, but in general I think there is some tarnish on his star. From about game start 18 and on he struggled. I believe that part of his struggle was that teams caught on that he was a 1 read and run guy. Teams started defending that, and Herbert couldn't adjust. I have never seen Herbert as a guy that confidently goes through progressions and that's a problem for the NFL. But it wasn't obvious until after game start 18 or so...
I was off Herbert early because the hype didn't match the game day production. But it's very clear that Herbert has a ton of tools. He's a terrific, gited athlete and I'm really interested to see how h progresses this year.
I'll say this. I think Herbert, like almost all college QBs, would also look very good with the Buckeye offense last year. That were loaded.
Yeah, I always had issues with the 1 read and run offense. there were suggestions that it was the system and not him. So I was anxious to see progression from him (in both senses of the word in this context!). We didn't get it, and you're right the production didn't match the hype. He has all the physical tools, size, mobility, arm strength, nice spiral, decent accuracy... I just not sure he can process all the reads though. Doesn't seem like it, because once defenders started taking away that 1st read, and they had somebody spying, then it was time to adjust the system. Neither the system nor the QB adjusted. That says something to me.
With regards to the quarterbacks, I think somehow, last years class is being overvalued. The closer it came to the draft, the more it seemed there was no consensus as to who even was the top quarterback. It wasn't until very late that Mayfield emerged as a candidate for #1 overall, but till that point most did not consider him the top prospect..early on it seemed a Darnold/Rosen race. Even right up to the draft there seemed to be no consensus on the ordering of last years QB prospects. They all had their strengths, but they all had issues. For Darnold, the one point that came up was that he seemingly regressed in his last year , and had issues with ball security(36 turnovers in two years). None of these QBs coming out last year came without questions or concerns.
Let's see how he looks in the NFL against A gap pressure with Fletcher Cox pressuring in the A gap.
It isn't lazy to say he has shitty feet. It's the truth, it's backed up by analysts all over the place, and it was borne out on the field by Ohio State being one of the worst red zone teams in the country. No thanks on this guy.
When I say he has good feet I mean he drifts in the pocket well. He had a lot of pressure this year playing against a lot of top Def and made some bad throws off the back of his foot and didn't always throw with lower body etc. When I say good feet I mean how he drifts while reading plays. He has work on throwing on bad feet.
RE: And Haskins is going into the shop for a year Â
If he comes to the Giants. They can address any bad habits.
You can't draft a QB #6 overall and then sit him for a year. It's a horrendous use of a key resource that could be used to help the team now in 2019. If you draft him with no intention of playing him, why not just wait a year to draft a QB?
struggled in the middle of the season because OSU's run game really took a step back this past year, not because of Haskins' "shitty feet." OSU OL was not a great rum blocking unit..
RE: RE: And Haskins is going into the shop for a year Â
If he comes to the Giants. They can address any bad habits.
You can't draft a QB #6 overall and then sit him for a year. It's a horrendous use of a key resource that could be used to help the team now in 2019. If you draft him with no intention of playing him, why not just wait a year to draft a QB?
Didn't you want a QB last year who would have sat behind Eli then also?
Funny... Louis Riddick is talking about how Haskins is displaying good footwork right now during his pro day.
He does have questions about his footwork, but it's in specific areas and instances. To say he just has shitty footwork in general is lazy and not true.
His biggest footwork questions are on his deep ball and how he resets himself when he's forced out of the pocket.
His standard pocket footwork really isn't much of a problem and isn't nearly as bad as I think you're making it seem
I think the problem with what you said though is, how often do NFL QBs have the luxury of "standard pocket footwork"?
But again, he has so little experience, you have to cut him some slack and say it may be coachable...
But again, he has so little experience, its what you don't know.
RE: RE: And Haskins is going into the shop for a year Â
If he comes to the Giants. They can address any bad habits.
You can't draft a QB #6 overall and then sit him for a year. It's a horrendous use of a key resource that could be used to help the team now in 2019. If you draft him with no intention of playing him, why not just wait a year to draft a QB?
It's the same team that is using a $23 million dollar cap hit for a QB that would be valued at half that on another team, not to mention used a #2 pick overall on a RB.
that he's being made out to be by some. I'm guessing there's a lot of parroting of analysis going on without actually watching the guy play. Last few games of the season he showed he was capable of moving in the pocket, resetting after coming off his spot, and throwing from different platforms. He's not elite at it, at least not yet, but we're not talking Byron Leftwich here.
Funny... Louis Riddick is talking about how Haskins is displaying good footwork right now during his pro day.
He does have questions about his footwork, but it's in specific areas and instances. To say he just has shitty footwork in general is lazy and not true.
His biggest footwork questions are on his deep ball and how he resets himself when he's forced out of the pocket.
His standard pocket footwork really isn't much of a problem and isn't nearly as bad as I think you're making it seem
I think the problem with what you said though is, how often do NFL QBs have the luxury of "standard pocket footwork"?
But again, he has so little experience, you have to cut him some slack and say it may be coachable...
But again, he has so little experience, its what you don't know.
There's an incorrect narrative that formed about Haskins and pressure - which is that he struggled and couldn't handle it.
This isn't reality as much as there's not a ton of tape on him facing it in general. And when he did, the numbers actually say he fared pretty well..
His footwork will need to improve in some areas, but his feet are not bad all around and it would be crazy to take him off the board based on that alone.
Haskins got better all year long and he's still ascending. The guy we see right now is not the final product.
Riddick and McShay both sound very high on him. Just made a beautiful throw down the left sideline.
Look - if you want to poke holes in Haskins' game, you can - you can do it with everyone. Name a QB you like, I'll find things about them and say "well, I don't like this, so...."
Some guys have fewer flaws than others.
Haskins isn't a perfect prospect, but there's a lot to like here. At least that's how I feel.
First of all a spread offense inside the 10 is not a good offense. It is why most teams run big offense and throws are usually off play action. If you can't run inside the 10 then you are going to struggle as there is no threat. He wasn't bad at say the 17, but when the field shrunk and teams knew they couldn't run... that isn't a recipe for success.
I wanted to release Eli and draft a QB last year. I still would release Eli, but I wouldn't draft any of these QBs in round 1.
That is interesting. Sorry didn't realize that is what you wanted. I would prefer to play Haskins like we did with Eli in his first year. Starting him day one isn't always the best way IMO.
I wanted to release Eli and draft a QB last year. I still would release Eli, but I wouldn't draft any of these QBs in round 1.
That is interesting. Sorry didn't realize that is what you wanted. I would prefer to play Haskins like we did with Eli in his first year. Starting him day one isn't always the best way IMO.
The only reason to go forward with Eli is to try to win with him this year.
That's the path the front office has chosen, and as such they should work to surround him with the best possible pieces. That means drafting players at 6 & 17 to play now.
and I've actually said I'd probably rather go defense at #6. But he's absolutely a day 1 QB
Yeah to be clear I would rather go Joey Bosa, Quinnen Wiliams, Josh Allen, Kyler Murray, Ed Oliver, and then Montez Sweat in that order, but I like Haskins and think he will be very good. If he had another year I would have him as my 4th best, but the lack of experience is to risky with such talent available.
I wanted to release Eli and draft a QB last year. I still would release Eli, but I wouldn't draft any of these QBs in round 1.
That is interesting. Sorry didn't realize that is what you wanted. I would prefer to play Haskins like we did with Eli in his first year. Starting him day one isn't always the best way IMO.
The only reason to go forward with Eli is to try to win with him this year.
That's the path the front office has chosen, and as such they should work to surround him with the best possible pieces. That means drafting players at 6 & 17 to play now.
I don't agree... I think easing QBs in if you can is the way to go. I mean look how bad QBs struggle when they are rushed. Goff for example people wanted to run out of town. ease them in I think is a better way to go if you can. Just different thinking who knows which way is better for each QB
I don't look at a model when it comes to QB's and how you break them in - I look at the player.
A guy who is a 3 year starter in college and guys from big programs with experience are usually fine to go with out of the gates.
But limited experience, guys from smaller programs... guys who are raw and need development - it can benefit a player like this to spend a few weeks on the sidelines.
Lamar Jackson, for instance, he did well enough when he got the gig - but he wouldn't have been ready in Week 1 and likely would have struggled a lot. They needed time with him to coach him up and install packages they could run with him since they wren't going to approach the passing attack the same way as they had been with Flacco.
It's a player basis - it's not a one-size-fits-all scenario. Or at least it shouldn't be.
If they draft a QB, and the year goes the way the roster indicates Â
and I've actually said I'd probably rather go defense at #6. But he's absolutely a day 1 QB
Yeah to be clear I would rather go Joey Bosa, Quinnen Wiliams, Josh Allen, Kyler Murray, Ed Oliver, and then Montez Sweat in that order, but I like Haskins and think he will be very good. If he had another year I would have him as my 4th best, but the lack of experience is to risky with such talent available.
One more year would certainly help the eval process. But consider the strides he made in his first year as a starter. He improved vastly across the board. He's still so inexperienced, there's a lot to work with.
I could swear I saw a bunch of “leaks” from various outlets screaming that the giants didn’t like Haskins. BBI of course insisted that these leaks are a sign of a dysfunctional organization. On que, one week later we now get a different report.
I'd argue his success with a lack of experience makes him even more enticing.
While that is one side, history has shown that QB's who have just a season under their belts have failed more often than similarly rated prospects with multiple years as a starter.
But there are some notable exceptions, so it isn't a hard and fast rule.
I'd argue his success with a lack of experience makes him even more enticing.
More exciting, but also more risky. His upside is huge and honestly I think his low is an average NFL QB. However the lack of experience means you are risking a lot on your franchise. There is statistics on QBs and starts and amount of throws etc. The less the more chance of bust.
I'd argue his success with a lack of experience makes him even more enticing.
While that is one side, history has shown that QB's who have just a season under their belts have failed more often than similarly rated prospects with multiple years as a starter.
But there are some notable exceptions, so it isn't a hard and fast rule.
I don't think its a product of actually only playing one year worth of games. It's the why they were only one year starters. If they were NFL QB's why didn't the surpass the guy ahead of them. I think Haskins answers that well because Urban wants running QBs and JT Barrett is the protoype he wants to run his offense.
I'd argue his success with a lack of experience makes him even more enticing.
While that is one side, history has shown that QB's who have just a season under their belts have failed more often than similarly rated prospects with multiple years as a starter.
But there are some notable exceptions, so it isn't a hard and fast rule.
No doubt. He's not a sure thing. He is capable of making any throw...i'm sold on his football IQ and work ethic. Maryland back shoulder fade with under a minute left popped to me. Excellent ball placement. I think with quarterbacks especially, fit is so so important. This kid is a perfect culture fit. It doesn't feel like a force - it feels the opposite way actually. More and more i see of him, the more comfortable i am with the idea of him being the next guy.
1 year QBs bust more because there is simply less tape on the guys. There's less opportunity to expose warts on the player. Take Haskins composure under pressure, you're seeing wildly differing opinions on him there. It probably has to do with him looking God awful against pressure early and improving as the season went. It's still a huge question, one that could better be answered with another year.
This is only going to become more and more common.
Players are more business savvy now and understand the importance of getting to that 2nd contract as quickly as possible. Also, the new CBA has only made rookie QBs more valuable, so teams are more likely than ever to take that gamble there. From the player perspective, the money on the first contract at #1 overall vs #10 overall isn't remotely as exaggerated as it was a decade ago. There's not a whole lot of incentive to wait it out to try to be the top overall pick if you're already getting an early round 1 projection. The Parcells thing about 3 year starters is as good as dead, you'll be looking at too narrow a pool.
I'd argue his success with a lack of experience makes him even more enticing.
While that is one side, history has shown that QB's who have just a season under their belts have failed more often than similarly rated prospects with multiple years as a starter.
But there are some notable exceptions, so it isn't a hard and fast rule.
No doubt. He's not a sure thing. He is capable of making any throw...i'm sold on his football IQ and work ethic. Maryland back shoulder fade with under a minute left popped to me. Excellent ball placement. I think with quarterbacks especially, fit is so so important. This kid is a perfect culture fit. It doesn't feel like a force - it feels the opposite way actually. More and more i see of him, the more comfortable i am with the idea of him being the next guy.
Funny... Louis Riddick is talking about how Haskins is displaying good footwork right now during his pro day.
He does have questions about his footwork, but it's in specific areas and instances. To say he just has shitty footwork in general is lazy and not true.
His biggest footwork questions are on his deep ball and how he resets himself when he's forced out of the pocket.
His standard pocket footwork really isn't much of a problem and isn't nearly as bad as I think you're making it seem
I think the problem with what you said though is, how often do NFL QBs have the luxury of "standard pocket footwork"?
But again, he has so little experience, you have to cut him some slack and say it may be coachable...
But again, he has so little experience, its what you don't know.
There's an incorrect narrative that formed about Haskins and pressure - which is that he struggled and couldn't handle it.
This isn't reality as much as there's not a ton of tape on him facing it in general. And when he did, the numbers actually say he fared pretty well..
His footwork will need to improve in some areas, but his feet are not bad all around and it would be crazy to take him off the board based on that alone.
Haskins got better all year long and he's still ascending. The guy we see right now is not the final product.
Riddick and McShay both sound very high on him. Just made a beautiful throw down the left sideline.
Look - if you want to poke holes in Haskins' game, you can - you can do it with everyone. Name a QB you like, I'll find things about them and say "well, I don't like this, so...."
Some guys have fewer flaws than others.
Haskins isn't a perfect prospect, but there's a lot to like here. At least that's how I feel.
Yeah, I'm not concerned at this point with any of his flaws. I haven't seen anything that absolutely takes him off the board.
He does get sloppy with his feet at times
He unnecessarily sidearms the ball sometimes
He has a funny wrist motion during his release
I tend to think all that can be cleaned up with coaching and experience.
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THe example I like to use is Herbert. Coming into this year, everybody thought Herbert was the next great thing. Some may still think so, but in general I think there is some tarnish on his star. From about game start 18 and on he struggled. I believe that part of his struggle was that teams caught on that he was a 1 read and run guy. Teams started defending that, and Herbert couldn't adjust. I have never seen Herbert as a guy that confidently goes through progressions and that's a problem for the NFL. But it wasn't obvious until after game start 18 or so...
I was off Herbert early because the hype didn't match the game day production. But it's very clear that Herbert has a ton of tools. He's a terrific, gited athlete and I'm really interested to see how h progresses this year.
I'll say this. I think Herbert, like almost all college QBs, would also look very good with the Buckeye offense last year. That were loaded.
Yeah, I always had issues with the 1 read and run offense. there were suggestions that it was the system and not him. So I was anxious to see progression from him (in both senses of the word in this context!). We didn't get it, and you're right the production didn't match the hype. He has all the physical tools, size, mobility, arm strength, nice spiral, decent accuracy... I just not sure he can process all the reads though. Doesn't seem like it, because once defenders started taking away that 1st read, and they had somebody spying, then it was time to adjust the system. Neither the system nor the QB adjusted. That says something to me.
With regards to the quarterbacks, I think somehow, last years class is being overvalued. The closer it came to the draft, the more it seemed there was no consensus as to who even was the top quarterback. It wasn't until very late that Mayfield emerged as a candidate for #1 overall, but till that point most did not consider him the top prospect..early on it seemed a Darnold/Rosen race. Even right up to the draft there seemed to be no consensus on the ordering of last years QB prospects. They all had their strengths, but they all had issues. For Darnold, the one point that came up was that he seemingly regressed in his last year , and had issues with ball security(36 turnovers in two years). None of these QBs coming out last year came without questions or concerns.
It isn't lazy to say he has shitty feet. It's the truth, it's backed up by analysts all over the place, and it was borne out on the field by Ohio State being one of the worst red zone teams in the country. No thanks on this guy.
When I say he has good feet I mean he drifts in the pocket well. He had a lot of pressure this year playing against a lot of top Def and made some bad throws off the back of his foot and didn't always throw with lower body etc. When I say good feet I mean how he drifts while reading plays. He has work on throwing on bad feet.
You can't draft a QB #6 overall and then sit him for a year. It's a horrendous use of a key resource that could be used to help the team now in 2019. If you draft him with no intention of playing him, why not just wait a year to draft a QB?
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If he comes to the Giants. They can address any bad habits.
You can't draft a QB #6 overall and then sit him for a year. It's a horrendous use of a key resource that could be used to help the team now in 2019. If you draft him with no intention of playing him, why not just wait a year to draft a QB?
Didn't you want a QB last year who would have sat behind Eli then also?
He does have questions about his footwork, but it's in specific areas and instances. To say he just has shitty footwork in general is lazy and not true.
His biggest footwork questions are on his deep ball and how he resets himself when he's forced out of the pocket.
His standard pocket footwork really isn't much of a problem and isn't nearly as bad as I think you're making it seem
I think the problem with what you said though is, how often do NFL QBs have the luxury of "standard pocket footwork"?
But again, he has so little experience, you have to cut him some slack and say it may be coachable...
But again, he has so little experience, its what you don't know.
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If he comes to the Giants. They can address any bad habits.
You can't draft a QB #6 overall and then sit him for a year. It's a horrendous use of a key resource that could be used to help the team now in 2019. If you draft him with no intention of playing him, why not just wait a year to draft a QB?
It's the same team that is using a $23 million dollar cap hit for a QB that would be valued at half that on another team, not to mention used a #2 pick overall on a RB.
Nothing this team does anymore would surprise me.
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Funny... Louis Riddick is talking about how Haskins is displaying good footwork right now during his pro day.
He does have questions about his footwork, but it's in specific areas and instances. To say he just has shitty footwork in general is lazy and not true.
His biggest footwork questions are on his deep ball and how he resets himself when he's forced out of the pocket.
His standard pocket footwork really isn't much of a problem and isn't nearly as bad as I think you're making it seem
I think the problem with what you said though is, how often do NFL QBs have the luxury of "standard pocket footwork"?
But again, he has so little experience, you have to cut him some slack and say it may be coachable...
But again, he has so little experience, its what you don't know.
There's an incorrect narrative that formed about Haskins and pressure - which is that he struggled and couldn't handle it.
This isn't reality as much as there's not a ton of tape on him facing it in general. And when he did, the numbers actually say he fared pretty well..
His footwork will need to improve in some areas, but his feet are not bad all around and it would be crazy to take him off the board based on that alone.
Haskins got better all year long and he's still ascending. The guy we see right now is not the final product.
Riddick and McShay both sound very high on him. Just made a beautiful throw down the left sideline.
Look - if you want to poke holes in Haskins' game, you can - you can do it with everyone. Name a QB you like, I'll find things about them and say "well, I don't like this, so...."
Some guys have fewer flaws than others.
Haskins isn't a perfect prospect, but there's a lot to like here. At least that's how I feel.
That is interesting. Sorry didn't realize that is what you wanted. I would prefer to play Haskins like we did with Eli in his first year. Starting him day one isn't always the best way IMO.
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I wanted to release Eli and draft a QB last year. I still would release Eli, but I wouldn't draft any of these QBs in round 1.
That is interesting. Sorry didn't realize that is what you wanted. I would prefer to play Haskins like we did with Eli in his first year. Starting him day one isn't always the best way IMO.
The only reason to go forward with Eli is to try to win with him this year.
That's the path the front office has chosen, and as such they should work to surround him with the best possible pieces. That means drafting players at 6 & 17 to play now.
Yeah to be clear I would rather go Joey Bosa, Quinnen Wiliams, Josh Allen, Kyler Murray, Ed Oliver, and then Montez Sweat in that order, but I like Haskins and think he will be very good. If he had another year I would have him as my 4th best, but the lack of experience is to risky with such talent available.
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I wanted to release Eli and draft a QB last year. I still would release Eli, but I wouldn't draft any of these QBs in round 1.
That is interesting. Sorry didn't realize that is what you wanted. I would prefer to play Haskins like we did with Eli in his first year. Starting him day one isn't always the best way IMO.
The only reason to go forward with Eli is to try to win with him this year.
That's the path the front office has chosen, and as such they should work to surround him with the best possible pieces. That means drafting players at 6 & 17 to play now.
I don't agree... I think easing QBs in if you can is the way to go. I mean look how bad QBs struggle when they are rushed. Goff for example people wanted to run out of town. ease them in I think is a better way to go if you can. Just different thinking who knows which way is better for each QB
A guy who is a 3 year starter in college and guys from big programs with experience are usually fine to go with out of the gates.
But limited experience, guys from smaller programs... guys who are raw and need development - it can benefit a player like this to spend a few weeks on the sidelines.
Lamar Jackson, for instance, he did well enough when he got the gig - but he wouldn't have been ready in Week 1 and likely would have struggled a lot. They needed time with him to coach him up and install packages they could run with him since they wren't going to approach the passing attack the same way as they had been with Flacco.
It's a player basis - it's not a one-size-fits-all scenario. Or at least it shouldn't be.
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and I've actually said I'd probably rather go defense at #6. But he's absolutely a day 1 QB
Yeah to be clear I would rather go Joey Bosa, Quinnen Wiliams, Josh Allen, Kyler Murray, Ed Oliver, and then Montez Sweat in that order, but I like Haskins and think he will be very good. If he had another year I would have him as my 4th best, but the lack of experience is to risky with such talent available.
One more year would certainly help the eval process. But consider the strides he made in his first year as a starter. He improved vastly across the board. He's still so inexperienced, there's a lot to work with.
70 % completion
50 touchdowns
8 picks
"lack of experience concerns me"
Why? He wouldn't be starting day 1.
Guy has the exact temperament you want from a quarterback. Very smart football iq. He's young BUT has had success reading defenses.
This is coming from someone who did not like him at first.
Leaks = bullshit.
Yeah it is interesting. Guy stays and plays like he did last year and he is in the discussion with Tua and Fromm for sure.
While that is one side, history has shown that QB's who have just a season under their belts have failed more often than similarly rated prospects with multiple years as a starter.
But there are some notable exceptions, so it isn't a hard and fast rule.
More exciting, but also more risky. His upside is huge and honestly I think his low is an average NFL QB. However the lack of experience means you are risking a lot on your franchise. There is statistics on QBs and starts and amount of throws etc. The less the more chance of bust.
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I'd argue his success with a lack of experience makes him even more enticing.
While that is one side, history has shown that QB's who have just a season under their belts have failed more often than similarly rated prospects with multiple years as a starter.
But there are some notable exceptions, so it isn't a hard and fast rule.
I don't think its a product of actually only playing one year worth of games. It's the why they were only one year starters. If they were NFL QB's why didn't the surpass the guy ahead of them. I think Haskins answers that well because Urban wants running QBs and JT Barrett is the protoype he wants to run his offense.
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I'd argue his success with a lack of experience makes him even more enticing.
While that is one side, history has shown that QB's who have just a season under their belts have failed more often than similarly rated prospects with multiple years as a starter.
But there are some notable exceptions, so it isn't a hard and fast rule.
No doubt. He's not a sure thing. He is capable of making any throw...i'm sold on his football IQ and work ethic. Maryland back shoulder fade with under a minute left popped to me. Excellent ball placement. I think with quarterbacks especially, fit is so so important. This kid is a perfect culture fit. It doesn't feel like a force - it feels the opposite way actually. More and more i see of him, the more comfortable i am with the idea of him being the next guy.
This is only going to become more and more common.
Players are more business savvy now and understand the importance of getting to that 2nd contract as quickly as possible. Also, the new CBA has only made rookie QBs more valuable, so teams are more likely than ever to take that gamble there. From the player perspective, the money on the first contract at #1 overall vs #10 overall isn't remotely as exaggerated as it was a decade ago. There's not a whole lot of incentive to wait it out to try to be the top overall pick if you're already getting an early round 1 projection. The Parcells thing about 3 year starters is as good as dead, you'll be looking at too narrow a pool.
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I'd argue his success with a lack of experience makes him even more enticing.
While that is one side, history has shown that QB's who have just a season under their belts have failed more often than similarly rated prospects with multiple years as a starter.
But there are some notable exceptions, so it isn't a hard and fast rule.
No doubt. He's not a sure thing. He is capable of making any throw...i'm sold on his football IQ and work ethic. Maryland back shoulder fade with under a minute left popped to me. Excellent ball placement. I think with quarterbacks especially, fit is so so important. This kid is a perfect culture fit. It doesn't feel like a force - it feels the opposite way actually. More and more i see of him, the more comfortable i am with the idea of him being the next guy.
Really well put.
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Funny... Louis Riddick is talking about how Haskins is displaying good footwork right now during his pro day.
He does have questions about his footwork, but it's in specific areas and instances. To say he just has shitty footwork in general is lazy and not true.
His biggest footwork questions are on his deep ball and how he resets himself when he's forced out of the pocket.
His standard pocket footwork really isn't much of a problem and isn't nearly as bad as I think you're making it seem
I think the problem with what you said though is, how often do NFL QBs have the luxury of "standard pocket footwork"?
But again, he has so little experience, you have to cut him some slack and say it may be coachable...
But again, he has so little experience, its what you don't know.
There's an incorrect narrative that formed about Haskins and pressure - which is that he struggled and couldn't handle it.
This isn't reality as much as there's not a ton of tape on him facing it in general. And when he did, the numbers actually say he fared pretty well..
His footwork will need to improve in some areas, but his feet are not bad all around and it would be crazy to take him off the board based on that alone.
Haskins got better all year long and he's still ascending. The guy we see right now is not the final product.
Riddick and McShay both sound very high on him. Just made a beautiful throw down the left sideline.
Look - if you want to poke holes in Haskins' game, you can - you can do it with everyone. Name a QB you like, I'll find things about them and say "well, I don't like this, so...."
Some guys have fewer flaws than others.
Haskins isn't a perfect prospect, but there's a lot to like here. At least that's how I feel.
Yeah, I'm not concerned at this point with any of his flaws. I haven't seen anything that absolutely takes him off the board.
He does get sloppy with his feet at times
He unnecessarily sidearms the ball sometimes
He has a funny wrist motion during his release
I tend to think all that can be cleaned up with coaching and experience.