He hasn’t grabbed the headlines like Jamal Adams, but Peppers was a productive defensive chess piece in his own right. His 12 pressures were the third-most among safeties last year, and his 23 coverage stops ranked 18th – and Peppers is only still getting familiar with the position....
While receiving two first-rounders back might have been more exciting, getting Peppers is like receiving a first-rounder you’re certain you’ll hit on. With three more years of team control at a much lower price than Collins, the addition of Peppers in yesterday’s trade is far from inconsequential....
He is slightly better at covering than Landon collins, but per PFF ranked 53rd among all safeties in coverage and Collins was 59th. Collins was significantly better at in the box run stopping, but Peppers was still good.
Peppers could improve. However, he is an in the box safety. He does not make as many impact plays as Collins so far. He could get better. He needs to be an all-pro for this deal to be worth it. He has to turn into Kam Chancellor.
He is slightly better at covering than Landon collins, but per PFF ranked 53rd among all safeties in coverage and Collins was 59th. Collins was significantly better at in the box run stopping, but Peppers was still good.
Peppers could improve. However, he is an in the box safety. He does not make as many impact plays as Collins so far. He could get better. He needs to be an all-pro for this deal to be worth it. He has to turn into Kam Chancellor.
All he needs to do is be better than Collins.. and he definitely has more athletic ability than Collins
He is slightly better at covering than Landon collins, but per PFF ranked 53rd among all safeties in coverage and Collins was 59th. Collins was significantly better at in the box run stopping, but Peppers was still good.
Peppers could improve. However, he is an in the box safety. He does not make as many impact plays as Collins so far. He could get better. He needs to be an all-pro for this deal to be worth it. He has to turn into Kam Chancellor.
1. Where do you see him as PFF's 53rd safety in coverage? I thought they had him low 20s for 2018 (I'll look for link/article)?
2. You overrate how many impact plays Collins makes. Defining impact plays as INTs + FF + FR + PD + TFL + QBHits, these are there numbers the last 2 seasons:
He is slightly better at covering than Landon collins, but per PFF ranked 53rd among all safeties in coverage and Collins was 59th. Collins was significantly better at in the box run stopping, but Peppers was still good.
Peppers could improve. However, he is an in the box safety. He does not make as many impact plays as Collins so far. He could get better. He needs to be an all-pro for this deal to be worth it. He has to turn into Kam Chancellor.
I don't have PFF Edge, but for 2018 they gave Collins a 70.4 overall (39th best S) while giving Peppers a 77.6 overall (19th best). So they clearly viewed Peppers as the superior player last season.
Coming out of college and most felt the Browns reached for him in the first.
He is still learning the safety position since he played LB in college.
He is a freak athlete and is developing.
But now one can say today if he will be a great safety since he has only played it for 2 years total.
Let's hope he keeps developing and the new system doesn't set him back .
He is slightly better at covering than Landon collins, but per PFF ranked 53rd among all safeties in coverage and Collins was 59th. Collins was significantly better at in the box run stopping, but Peppers was still good.
Peppers could improve. However, he is an in the box safety. He does not make as many impact plays as Collins so far. He could get better. He needs to be an all-pro for this deal to be worth it. He has to turn into Kam Chancellor.
This is just wrong. In the box safety? Needs to be an all pro? BS.
We've upgraded at safety for a fraction of the cost.
We've upgraded at safety for a fraction of the cost
You have people complaining daily about the cost of some of our players - so of the very ones who complain about Peppers. Yet, he is likely to have little drop-off from Collins at a 5th of the price.
hate when people use PFF to make any arguments regarding performance.
Most of the time, it isn't even directionally correct.
I would rather see people use PFF data than to just pull arguments out of their ass. Majority of the people on here posting with a strong opinion on Peppers, either positive or negative, have probably barely ever seen him play. At least with PFF I know the opinion is coming from someone watching him in action.
While receiving two first-rounders back might have been more exciting, getting Peppers is like receiving a first-rounder you’re certain you’ll hit on. With three more years of team control at a much lower price than Collins, the addition of Peppers in yesterday’s trade is far from inconsequential....
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Peppers could improve. However, he is an in the box safety. He does not make as many impact plays as Collins so far. He could get better. He needs to be an all-pro for this deal to be worth it. He has to turn into Kam Chancellor.
Peppers could improve. However, he is an in the box safety. He does not make as many impact plays as Collins so far. He could get better. He needs to be an all-pro for this deal to be worth it. He has to turn into Kam Chancellor.
All he needs to do is be better than Collins.. and he definitely has more athletic ability than Collins
Peppers could improve. However, he is an in the box safety. He does not make as many impact plays as Collins so far. He could get better. He needs to be an all-pro for this deal to be worth it. He has to turn into Kam Chancellor.
1. Where do you see him as PFF's 53rd safety in coverage? I thought they had him low 20s for 2018 (I'll look for link/article)?
2. You overrate how many impact plays Collins makes. Defining impact plays as INTs + FF + FR + PD + TFL + QBHits, these are there numbers the last 2 seasons:
Collins 2017: 2 + 1 + 2 + 6 + 3 + 2 = 16 impact plays (1.06/game)
Collins 2018: 0 + 1 + 0 + 4 + 5 + 2 = 12 impact plays (1/game)
Peppers 2017: 1 + 0 + 1 + 3 + 1 + 0 = 6 impact plays (0.46/game)
Peppers 2018: 1 + 0 + 3 + 5 + 5 + 4 = 18 impact plays (1.125/game)
Peppers struggled his rookie season, but he made just as many impact plays as Collins last year in just his 2nd season.
Peppers could improve. However, he is an in the box safety. He does not make as many impact plays as Collins so far. He could get better. He needs to be an all-pro for this deal to be worth it. He has to turn into Kam Chancellor.
I don't have PFF Edge, but for 2018 they gave Collins a 70.4 overall (39th best S) while giving Peppers a 77.6 overall (19th best). So they clearly viewed Peppers as the superior player last season.
Peppers
Collins
He is still learning the safety position since he played LB in college.
He is a freak athlete and is developing.
But now one can say today if he will be a great safety since he has only played it for 2 years total.
Let's hope he keeps developing and the new system doesn't set him back .
Most of the time, it isn't even directionally correct.
Most of the time, it isn't even directionally correct.
It's worse when they can't even get a handle on the data they're trying to share and don't cite it correctly...
Yes because Peppers is not nearly as exposed in coverage as LC is.
Peppers could improve. However, he is an in the box safety. He does not make as many impact plays as Collins so far. He could get better. He needs to be an all-pro for this deal to be worth it. He has to turn into Kam Chancellor.
This is just wrong. In the box safety? Needs to be an all pro? BS.
We've upgraded at safety for a fraction of the cost.
You have people complaining daily about the cost of some of our players - so of the very ones who complain about Peppers. Yet, he is likely to have little drop-off from Collins at a 5th of the price.
Should we have spent $11 millions for Collins, no.
Says more about the S class
Most of the time, it isn't even directionally correct.
I would rather see people use PFF data than to just pull arguments out of their ass. Majority of the people on here posting with a strong opinion on Peppers, either positive or negative, have probably barely ever seen him play. At least with PFF I know the opinion is coming from someone watching him in action.