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section125 : 3/20/2019 9:44 am
Morning all. Read the excerpt from Klapisch's book in the Post. Very Interesting. Gives a different view on Jeter and Cashman.

I sort of suspected Jeter had a hard side to him and what has sort of bothered me was him going out with women virtually half his age - don't know why but I suspect it was a power thing. But hey, he got to make it with all kind of beautiful women, so I suppose good for him. His feud with Cashman was over money I that suspect Jeter expected The Boss would have given him - except the Boss wasn't there. Good for Cashman to stick to his belief.

Anyway, FWIW, they keep winning down in Florida. Seem to do it easily. I am glad that it appears both Bird and Voit will make the big club, despite it meaning somebody was injured(Hicks). Get a better look at both in true MLB games. Interesting also that Tino thinks Voit has improved his fielding and will continue to improve - good work ethic. It will also be nice to see Wade on the big team. He looks ready to start hitting.

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So anyone want to play the  
rnargi : 3/20/2019 9:52 am : link
"Guess who goes on the DL today?" game?
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section125 : 3/20/2019 9:54 am : link
In comment 14349030 rnargi said:
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"Guess who goes on the DL today?" game?


a pox on you, sir!
Jeter has always been a dickhead at his core  
Greg from LI : 3/20/2019 9:55 am : link
Great player, but that's why I never worshiped him the way a lot of Yankee fans did.
Never a big Jeter guy  
dune69 : 3/20/2019 9:58 am : link
Bernie was my guy and before him, Mattingly.
Not sure if other clubs do it,  
section125 : 3/20/2019 9:59 am : link
but bringing guys like Pettitte, Gator, Willie, Tino, O'Neill (to name a few) and having Reggie there really must be a tremendous thing for the kids.
Competition seems to have brought out the best in both  
mfsd : 3/20/2019 10:01 am : link
Bird and Voit, they've both looked good.

I haven't watched too much spring training aside from some highlights and a few innings here and there, but has everyone noticed the spring Judge is having? My God. MVP caliber season coming...please stay healthy.

El Gary hit a rocket double to right center yesterday that was a good sign - the way he hits when he's right.

As much as the Sevy injury is a bummer, looking forward to seeing guys like Cessa and German get their chance. Yanks should be able to slug their way through the injuries early on, but we need a healthy Sevy if this team wants to contend in October.
RE: Competition seems to have brought out the best in both  
section125 : 3/20/2019 10:03 am : link
In comment 14349046 mfsd said:
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Bird and Voit, they've both looked good.

I haven't watched too much spring training aside from some highlights and a few innings here and there, but has everyone noticed the spring Judge is having? My God. MVP caliber season coming...please stay healthy.

El Gary hit a rocket double to right center yesterday that was a good sign - the way he hits when he's right.

As much as the Sevy injury is a bummer, looking forward to seeing guys like Cessa and German get their chance. Yanks should be able to slug their way through the injuries early on, but we need a healthy Sevy if this team wants to contend in October.


Gary actually had two rocket doubles to RC field, closer to center..
Jeter did the public PR game very well as a player  
Dunedin81 : 3/20/2019 10:11 am : link
Privately he was rumored to be an asshole, but that was all well and good until the beat writers didn't need him anymore and now they are taking turns dumping on him. I never worshiped Jeter either, but given a choice between him and the writers who sucked up to him and are now taking aim I'll take Jeter every time.
Thanks, that's quite the read...  
Dan in the Springs : 3/20/2019 10:11 am : link
really paints Jeter as the villain. Not sure how I feel about that - although I agree that the image I had of him in his twenties was nothing like the image I had of him in his mid-thirties.

Would love to contrast that story to the one Stanton could tell about his view of the whole thing.

Thanks for sharing!
Do some home work and some googling back to the winter  
arniefez : 3/20/2019 10:22 am : link
of 2008 when Cashman was trying to sign CC. Jeter made Arod's life with the Yankees very difficult and the team was toxic back in those days. Jeter is and always was fraud off the field. Still one of the 10 greatest Yankees of all time. But not the team guy and "Captain" he was made out to be.
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beatrixkiddo : 3/20/2019 10:24 am : link
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dune69: Never a big Jeter guyBernie was my my guy.


Loved Bernie too. Bernie is a genuinely coo, nice guy, a close family friend of ours did some work on his house and they became friends, he watches his dog for him sometimes when they are heading out of town.
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arcarsenal : 3/20/2019 10:27 am : link
Thanks for the link - looking forward to the book. Looks like a really interesting read.
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mfsd : 3/20/2019 10:28 am : link
In comment 14349048 section125 said:
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Bird and Voit, they've both looked good.

I haven't watched too much spring training aside from some highlights and a few innings here and there, but has everyone noticed the spring Judge is having? My God. MVP caliber season coming...please stay healthy.

El Gary hit a rocket double to right center yesterday that was a good sign - the way he hits when he's right.

As much as the Sevy injury is a bummer, looking forward to seeing guys like Cessa and German get their chance. Yanks should be able to slug their way through the injuries early on, but we need a healthy Sevy if this team wants to contend in October.



Gary actually had two rocket doubles to RC field, closer to center..


Nice, only saw one of them. Good sign if he's getting locked in.

That's a great read about Cashman and Jeter
great read  
jestersdead : 3/20/2019 10:29 am : link
amazing that the early 2000s Jeter/A Rod have done a public 180 now. A Rod for being labeled a dick, seems to be really embracing the media and his on air performance. I enjoy listening to him during the playoffs, he comes off very knowledgeable
RE: Never a big Jeter guy  
arcarsenal : 3/20/2019 10:34 am : link
In comment 14349041 dune69 said:
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Bernie was my guy and before him, Mattingly.


Those were the guys I liked most from afar, as well.

Mattingly was one of my favorite baseball players when I was a kid - before I really identified as a "fan" of either NY team. I just loved Donnie Baseball. Collected his cards, the whole 9.

And when the Yanks were in the midst of their dynasty years, Bernie was always the guy I thought was the easiest to really root for and pull for - just such a cool customer and low-key persona - and the guy was a heck of a hitter. Not considered a "core 4" guy, but he was right there with Jeter, Pettite, Po, and Mo and just as important to a lot of those teams.
It is easy to pile on after  
section125 : 3/20/2019 10:45 am : link
reading stories like this. I don't want to do that because there are two sides to each story. I prefer to remember Jeter as the guy diving into the stands or making the backhand flip to Jorge. I'm sure it is hard to turn the cap around and be the guy cutting the check as opposed to depositing the check. I will probably buy the book.

Jeter wanted to win at all costs...  
Dunedin81 : 3/20/2019 11:07 am : link
he was too proud to admit that he was a shitty shortstop (he worked at it, but he never would have accepted that the team would have been better off with him elsewhere) or that A-Rod could have played it better, but when it came to putting in the work nobody did more. That's something that has been lacking from this team since he retired.
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arcarsenal : 3/20/2019 11:08 am : link
Judge is the perfect combination of talent and persona to be the next face of the Yankees, in my opinion. It's almost impossible to find one single thing not to like about #99. Even friends of mine who really dislike NYY admit that they can't hate him.
Judge is a likable, marketable face...  
Dunedin81 : 3/20/2019 11:19 am : link
of a successful, marketable team. But if the worm turns and they struggle, or he leaves via free agency, they'll find things to hate about him too.
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Eli Wilson : 3/20/2019 11:21 am : link
In comment 14349211 arcarsenal said:
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Judge is the perfect combination of talent and persona to be the next face of the Yankees, in my opinion. It's almost impossible to find one single thing not to like about #99. Even friends of mine who really dislike NYY admit that they can't hate him.


My wife is a Red Sox fan and she like Judge, so you're completely correct.
Oh brother  
HomerJones45 : 3/20/2019 11:21 am : link
Klapsich writes a love letter for his pal Cashman and you guys suck it up. " surprisingly broad shoulders and a thrumming disinterest in small talk. There is, in the fixity of his gaze and jawline, the set of a man taken lightly for too long. Hes one of those people who came to power fairly, on the strength of his smarts and sweat equity."

JFC. Was Klapsich jerking it to Cashman's picture when he was writing this shit?
For precisely the same reason he's running down Jeter...  
Dunedin81 : 3/20/2019 11:23 am : link
because he needs Cashman now. I liked Jeter and I like Cashman, but I hate the idea of a love-fest when you need the guy and a pile-on when you don't.
RE: Oh brother  
section125 : 3/20/2019 11:24 am : link
In comment 14349256 HomerJones45 said:
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Klapsich writes a love letter for his pal Cashman and you guys suck it up. " surprisingly broad shoulders and a thrumming disinterest in small talk. There is, in the fixity of his gaze and jawline, the set of a man taken lightly for too long. Hes one of those people who came to power fairly, on the strength of his smarts and sweat equity."

JFC. Was Klapsich jerking it to Cashman's picture when he was writing this shit?


Not surprising you would ignore the point of the chapter and focus on those couple sentences....do you purposely look to be obnoxious?
RE: Judge is a likable, marketable face...  
arcarsenal : 3/20/2019 11:25 am : link
In comment 14349246 Dunedin81 said:
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of a successful, marketable team. But if the worm turns and they struggle, or he leaves via free agency, they'll find things to hate about him too.


Of course - things can change. But, I have a hard time seeing Judge leaving unless he winds up having completely insane demands, etc.

Barring injury or something really, really surprising - I think Judge is going to be in pinstripes for a very long time and will find a lot of success here.
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bceagle05 : 3/20/2019 11:29 am : link
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Not considered a "core 4" guy, but he was right there with Jeter, Pettite, Po, and Mo and just as important to a lot of those teams.

The whole "Core Four" thing started in 2009, because Jeter, Pettitte, Mo and Posada were the four remaining guys from the 90s dynasty, and were homegrown players to boot. They were viewed as the core leaders of the 2009 title team. Had Bernie still been around in 2009, it would've been the Core Five. A lot of people view it as disrespectful to Bernie, but I've never seen it that way. Those guys were never called the Core Four in the late 90s.
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arcarsenal : 3/20/2019 11:36 am : link
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Not considered a "core 4" guy, but he was right there with Jeter, Pettite, Po, and Mo and just as important to a lot of those teams.


The whole "Core Four" thing started in 2009, because Jeter, Pettitte, Mo and Posada were the four remaining guys from the 90s dynasty, and were homegrown players to boot. They were viewed as the core leaders of the 2009 title team. Had Bernie still been around in 2009, it would've been the Core Five. A lot of people view it as disrespectful to Bernie, but I've never seen it that way. Those guys were never called the Core Four in the late 90s.


I know - but I always felt like Bernie was sort of underappreciated in some circles. Hell, there's a book Phil Pepe wrote about 5 years ago titled "Core Four: The Heart and Soul of the Yankees Dynasty" - which, to me, alludes to those 4 guys being the real key to those teams and those runs.

I doubt Bernie himself ever worried about this stuff - doesn't seem like his M.O. But part of me always felt like he'd get left out of important conversations regarding the NYY dynasty era. Could also just be anecdotal evidence and personal experience biases. Who knows.
Bernie and Mo were my favorites...  
Dunedin81 : 3/20/2019 11:39 am : link
IDK if Bernie was underappreciated. But yeah Bernie was every bit as much of the dynasty as the other four. especially when Andy actually played games in another uniform (something none of the others did).
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HomerJones45 : 3/20/2019 11:47 am : link
In comment 14349268 section125 said:
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Klapsich writes a love letter for his pal Cashman and you guys suck it up. " surprisingly broad shoulders and a thrumming disinterest in small talk. There is, in the fixity of his gaze and jawline, the set of a man taken lightly for too long. Hes one of those people who came to power fairly, on the strength of his smarts and sweat equity."

JFC. Was Klapsich jerking it to Cashman's picture when he was writing this shit?



Not surprising you would ignore the point of the chapter and focus on those couple sentences....do you purposely look to be obnoxious?
Thanks for your usual insight. Any chance that the author's point was influenced by his love and adoration for one of the subjects? Nah.

Don't think about it at all; thinking about things probably makes your head hurt.
Andujar  
RasputinPrime : 3/20/2019 2:53 pm : link
really needs to learn how to throw the baseball. That arm angle has way too much variability. Cost us a run in a one run game today.
RE: Jeter has always been a dickhead at his core  
mitch300 : 3/20/2019 2:59 pm : link
In comment 14349037 Greg from LI said:
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Great player, but that's why I never worshiped him the way a lot of Yankee fans did.

agree. Remember last year the 20 year anniversary of the 98 team. He couldn't show up because he had his daughters 1y/o birthday party. So he couldn't fly up in his private jet and leave after the ceremony and make it back for the party? Plus, his video is in front of the Marlins background. Was that needed.
I don't know that Bernie was underappreciated by the fans  
Greg from LI : 3/20/2019 3:12 pm : link
But he really did tend to get overlooked by the team once they started running with that Core 4 stuff. Bernie was the first guy to come up from the farm at the beginning of the renaissance and he was probably their best player in the 1996-2000 seasons. He should have been celebrated by the team every bit as much as Pettitte, Rivera, Jeter, and Posada, and he really wasn't.

I don't think he really cares because he never enjoyed being the focus of attention, though.
Aside from Bernie  
Mike from SI : 3/20/2019 3:20 pm : link
the core 4 stuff also overlooks the non-farmhands whom I loved and were essential to the team: O'Neill, Tino, and Coney.

Btw, does it sound like we're getting both Bird and Voit on the Opening Day roster?
Today's injury:  
Dave in Hoboken : 3/20/2019 3:27 pm : link
Joel Sherman

Verified account

@Joelsherman1

Tyler Wade was removed with tightness in both of his hips, #Yankees say
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Ryan in Albany : 3/20/2019 3:27 pm : link
Joel Sherman
@Joelsherman1
Tyler Wade was removed with tightness in both of his hips, #Yankees say
oh come on  
Greg from LI : 3/20/2019 3:28 pm : link
This is getting ridiculous
Ahh dicks.  
Mike from SI : 3/20/2019 3:28 pm : link
What are we, the new Mets?
RE: I don't know that Bernie was underappreciated by the fans  
HomerJones45 : 3/20/2019 3:36 pm : link
In comment 14349878 Greg from LI said:
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But he really did tend to get overlooked by the team once they started running with that Core 4 stuff. Bernie was the first guy to come up from the farm at the beginning of the renaissance and he was probably their best player in the 1996-2000 seasons. He should have been celebrated by the team every bit as much as Pettitte, Rivera, Jeter, and Posada, and he really wasn't.

I don't think he really cares because he never enjoyed being the focus of attention, though.
+1. Throwback player. .297 lifetime average, 287 homers, 1250 RBI's, lifetime OBP .381 lifetime OPS .858. Amazingly, only had one season where he topped off at 100+ K's and that was when he was 24. Great player.
Sevi throwing from 60' with no discomfort.  
Bubba : 3/20/2019 3:45 pm : link
Will throw again tomorrow.
Bird HBP on arm had to leave game.  
Dave in Hoboken : 3/20/2019 3:53 pm : link
Says he'll play tomorrow, but who knows. He was wearing an elbowpad, but the ball missed it, of course.
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section125 : 3/20/2019 4:30 pm : link
In comment 14349322 HomerJones45 said:
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In comment 14349256 HomerJones45 said:


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Klapsich writes a love letter for his pal Cashman and you guys suck it up. " surprisingly broad shoulders and a thrumming disinterest in small talk. There is, in the fixity of his gaze and jawline, the set of a man taken lightly for too long. Hes one of those people who came to power fairly, on the strength of his smarts and sweat equity."

JFC. Was Klapsich jerking it to Cashman's picture when he was writing this shit?



Not surprising you would ignore the point of the chapter and focus on those couple sentences....do you purposely look to be obnoxious?

Thanks for your usual insight. Any chance that the author's point was influenced by his love and adoration for one of the subjects? Nah.

Don't think about it at all; thinking about things probably makes your head hurt.


You continue to be irrelevant...
RE: I don't know that Bernie was underappreciated by the fans  
arcarsenal : 3/20/2019 6:04 pm : link
In comment 14349878 Greg from LI said:
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But he really did tend to get overlooked by the team once they started running with that Core 4 stuff. Bernie was the first guy to come up from the farm at the beginning of the renaissance and he was probably their best player in the 1996-2000 seasons. He should have been celebrated by the team every bit as much as Pettitte, Rivera, Jeter, and Posada, and he really wasn't.

I don't think he really cares because he never enjoyed being the focus of attention, though.


This captures my impression pretty well. I'd agree with this.

Very good news on Sevy... but jeez, now Birdy gets pegged and Wade has bad hips? Da heck.

One more week of minefields to dodge before the real bullets fly.
FWIW, Wade said it's not a big deal at all  
Greg from LI : 3/20/2019 6:19 pm : link
Said he gets hip tightness periodically early in the season and expects to be just fine in a couple of days.
Jeter as a rookie had earned the veterans respect.  
idinkido : 3/20/2019 6:59 pm : link
I know people who have been socially with him who say he is down to earth guy. Jeter is very private. I know on Davis Island (his Tampa home) he refuses to wave or acknowledge his neighbors and, maybe, he feels he has to be that way to maintain his privacy. Give Jeter credit because unlike most of us who sometimes have put our foot in our mouth, Jeter had enough sense not to say anything controversial that would have made some days feel like a nightmare.
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