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Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/20/2019 10:57 am
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Dwayne Haskins diagrams plays with Steve Mariucci - ( New Window )
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I view his biggest negative is that he slower then Eli  
George from PA : 3/20/2019 11:33 am : link
And as much of a statute....

My gut is telling me that the next generation of QBs will need to be able to do some damage with their feet.

But NYG knows better then me....
RE: RE: Okay, I think Eric received this text this morning...  
bw in dc : 3/20/2019 11:34 am : link
In comment 14349227 nzyme said:
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Hey Eric. We had a great dinner last night with DH. We think it's going to work out where we take him. Would you mind posting positive links about DH so we can get the base excited? I want to make sure most of the base is on board. Thanks - JM.



Let me guess...You want Murray?


No, I'm not interested in any QB at #6 or #17.

However, if gun to the head and QB is the route, I'd rather take Murray over Haskins. I really have suspicions over Haskins.

Murray's height and size is a major, major concern but he's so dynamic that I think he has a chance to work.

But, again, I would rather focus elsewhere in round one.

Later round QB target for me - Finley.
Has jt reported on the NYG  
Chris684 : 3/20/2019 11:48 am : link
like or dislike of Haskins?

I know he says they are not in on Rosen.

Just curious.
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Fast Eddie : 3/20/2019 11:48 am : link
In comment 14349273 capone said:
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Bummer in the interview? Will always hate that pompous ass mariucci




Playing in a charity golf tournament years ago and on the closest to the pin contest I got within 5 feet when I wrote down my name on the card I saw Marriuchi had been the closest one at 6 feet ....I wrote my name and then in parentheses I wrote : bummer mooch ...NYG!


Lol, thatís a great story
RE: Okay, I think Eric received this text this morning...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/20/2019 11:49 am : link
In comment 14349207 bw in dc said:
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Hey Eric. We had a great dinner last night with DH. We think it's going to work out where we take him. Would you mind posting positive links about DH so we can get the base excited? I want to make sure most of the base is on board. Thanks - JM.


I knew you'd think that.

On a serious note, the thing that intrigues me the most about Haskins is his football intelligence. This guy has "it."
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Thegratefulhead : 3/20/2019 11:53 am : link
In comment 14349202 arcarsenal said:
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Thanks for sharing this.

Haskins is a really bright kid. I think he'd absolutely love being a Giant - and I'd be quite happy if he landed here.
Rosen is a little more gifted but I think Haskins has the goods.
Eric I agree  
ryanmkeane : 3/20/2019 11:55 am : link
there's something about this kid. No doubt it seems like he can handle the pressure of being the NYG QB. That's almost more important than the rest of it.
RE: Eric I agree  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/20/2019 11:57 am : link
In comment 14349347 ryanmkeane said:
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there's something about this kid. No doubt it seems like he can handle the pressure of being the NYG QB. That's almost more important than the rest of it.


I hope people caught what Mariucci tried to do. He drew up the play, but then distracted him with the small talk, then came back and asked him to repeat the chalkboard stuff. And he didn't miss anything. This kid is 21 years old!
Eric  
ryanmkeane : 3/20/2019 12:00 pm : link
the question remains is Gettleman OK with waiting on defense for the draft if we go Haskins at 6. Then, we lose out on the top tier guys. 17 and 37 for the defense (or perhaps OL) isn't a bad fall back plan.

RE: RE: Eric I agree  
arcarsenal : 3/20/2019 12:01 pm : link
In comment 14349353 Eric from BBI said:
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there's something about this kid. No doubt it seems like he can handle the pressure of being the NYG QB. That's almost more important than the rest of it.



I hope people caught what Mariucci tried to do. He drew up the play, but then distracted him with the small talk, then came back and asked him to repeat the chalkboard stuff. And he didn't miss anything. This kid is 21 years old!


Yup. I caught that as well. Side tracked him on purpose a little bit to see if he was paying attention to the board or the small talk.

Haskins knows his shit.
I think the best comparison  
ryanmkeane : 3/20/2019 12:01 pm : link
for Haskins is Goff. Goff doesn't have great mobility, but his arm talent and smarts are off the charts.
the Warren Moon  
ryanmkeane : 3/20/2019 12:02 pm : link
thing was pretty cool. Nobody has mentioned that comparison.They were about the same size too.
Itís been noted several times that while Haskins was  
732NYG : 3/20/2019 12:02 pm : link
getting reads from the sidelines early in the season, he didnít later and made adjustments on his own as the season progressed. Iíd be happy with Haskins at 6, and I think the issues people take up with him are mostly untrue beyond his lack of running ability.
RE: Okay, I think Eric received this text this morning...  
ron mexico : 3/20/2019 12:02 pm : link
In comment 14349207 bw in dc said:
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Hey Eric. We had a great dinner last night with DH. We think it's going to work out where we take him. Would you mind posting positive links about DH so we can get the base excited? I want to make sure most of the base is on board. Thanks - JM.


haha it does feel that way.

Spill the bean Eric!!!
FWIW..  
bw in dc : 3/20/2019 12:04 pm : link
Mooch does this every year with some QBs a the Combine. It's nothing new.

Haskins likely committed to the do it in advance, knew the situation, and his team prepared him.
RE: FWIW..  
arcarsenal : 3/20/2019 12:05 pm : link
In comment 14349378 bw in dc said:
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Mooch does this every year with some QBs a the Combine. It's nothing new.

Haskins likely committed to the do it in advance, knew the situation, and his team prepared him.


Lol, you don't want to give this guy a shred of credit for anything.

We get it, you don't like him....
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figgy2989 : 3/20/2019 12:05 pm : link
In comment 14349378 bw in dc said:
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Mooch does this every year with some QBs a the Combine. It's nothing new.

Haskins likely committed to the do it in advance, knew the situation, and his team prepared him.


Holy shit, you will look at any opportunity to take a shot at this kid.
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bw in dc : 3/20/2019 12:07 pm : link
In comment 14349382 arcarsenal said:
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Mooch does this every year with some QBs a the Combine. It's nothing new.

Haskins likely committed to the do it in advance, knew the situation, and his team prepared him.



Lol, you don't want to give this guy a shred of credit for anything.

We get it, you don't like him....


That's not it at all. I'm just giving context that this segment with Mooch is nothing new.
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bw in dc : 3/20/2019 12:09 pm : link
In comment 14349383 figgy2989 said:
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Mooch does this every year with some QBs a the Combine. It's nothing new.

Haskins likely committed to the do it in advance, knew the situation, and his team prepared him.



Holy shit, you will look at any opportunity to take a shot at this kid.


Where is the shot? I was merely point out the segment by Mooch is something any QB could easily prepare for b/c he's been doing it for a while now.

Sort of a knock-off of what Gruden did on ESPN.
bw has to keep his  
Chris684 : 3/20/2019 12:11 pm : link
"2018 was a disaster and the Giants will slowly sink into the depths of misery" narrative alive.

Remember, the Giants were not supposed to be able to get a QB worth a damn for years after going with Saquon last year.

Here we are a year later with Rosen most likely available again, Murray/Haskins, and 2020 sitting there which is probably the best class out of 18/19/20.
Come on bw  
figgy2989 : 3/20/2019 12:12 pm : link
You knew what you were saying. The only reason he looked smart was because he was prepared.
RE: Come on bw  
bw in dc : 3/20/2019 12:17 pm : link
In comment 14349402 figgy2989 said:
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You knew what you were saying. The only reason he looked smart was because he was prepared.


It was just context. If you want to live in fantasy land and think Haskins did this extemporaneously, then God bless you, and have at it.
No way  
Fast Eddie : 3/20/2019 12:17 pm : link
To prepare for what looked like a very complex play recall....his football smarts are off the charts
Mooch does his version of this Gruden did it better  
Torrag : 3/20/2019 12:20 pm : link
Guys still come on the show and perform poorly in both cases. Others perform well. You can't take awy too much but as fans it's another small opiece of the opinion puzzle. Haskins handled himself well and dispalyed gis football smarts. As he has so far in every circumstance I've been able to acquire video of.

He's having a veryy good Draft prep 'season'.
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BSIMatt : 3/20/2019 12:26 pm : link
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on Haskins are inexperience, and he wasn't allowed to diagnose/adjust, he was supposedly told by the sideline.

This kind of puts that to bed.



HE called all the protections for Ohio State, audible adjustments from sideline is the norm in college, not the exception.
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arcarsenal : 3/20/2019 12:27 pm : link
Even if you want to believe he was given all of this information beforehand and was prepared for it - it still isn't easy to do in detail like that. I know I'd probably miss a couple details even if I knew he was going to ask me to do the same thing.

Nothing has led me to believe that he isn't a bright QB with a high football IQ. He's a student of the game and he is a really smart kid. He will put the work in and he has a legitimate NFL arm.

There are things I need to see him improve upon and work at - but that's what QB prospects are. Andrew Luck's aren't in drafts every year. More often than not, you're looking at guys with particular talent bases and flaws and have to make the determination as to how many flaws are coachable, how likely they are to ascend, what they likely won't improve upon, etc.

Virtually any QB we take at this point unless we're waiting for Trevor Lawrence is going to come with things the QB will need to work on and questions that need to be answered as he embarks upon his NFL journey. So, we can do that with anyone.

To me, Haskins has the most important stuff. The stuff that coaching isn't going to fix. The rest can be improved on.
Just to be clear...  
bw in dc : 3/20/2019 12:45 pm : link
I'm not saying or suggesting anything that questions Haskins's intellect. I'm raising the point that he likely knew how the session works and prepared accordingly. So the element of surprise isn't is dramatic as the clip would suggest...
bw  
ryanmkeane : 3/20/2019 12:50 pm : link
you're creating your own narrative out of nothing, no evidence, or anything that suggests this clip wasn't what it was...which was them having a cool conversation about football and Haskins diagnosing a play. If Haskins knew the "setup" beforehand...who gives a shit. He clearly showed he can handle it.
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Pan-handler : 3/20/2019 12:52 pm : link
In comment 14349433 arcarsenal said:
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Even if you want to believe he was given all of this information beforehand and was prepared for it - it still isn't easy to do in detail like that. I know I'd probably miss a couple details even if I knew he was going to ask me to do the same thing.

Nothing has led me to believe that he isn't a bright QB with a high football IQ. He's a student of the game and he is a really smart kid. He will put the work in and he has a legitimate NFL arm.

There are things I need to see him improve upon and work at - but that's what QB prospects are. Andrew Luck's aren't in drafts every year. More often than not, you're looking at guys with particular talent bases and flaws and have to make the determination as to how many flaws are coachable, how likely they are to ascend, what they likely won't improve upon, etc.

Virtually any QB we take at this point unless we're waiting for Trevor Lawrence is going to come with things the QB will need to work on and questions that need to be answered as he embarks upon his NFL journey. So, we can do that with anyone.

To me, Haskins has the most important stuff. The stuff that coaching isn't going to fix. The rest can be improved on.


Great post. Agreed on all points. Footwork isnt a guarantee to improve but it usually does if a guy wants to work at it. But even then he still is very accurate with his footwork being less than perfect (Darnold was kind of this way too)
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arcarsenal : 3/20/2019 12:53 pm : link
Prep work is a big deal for a QB.

I don't really care what he knew or didn't - I think there's plenty of evidence out there that Haskins is a smart football player who understands the game.

Murray doesn't strike me the same way.

Murray is a dynamite football player and has a higher ceiling than Haskins does - but there are going to be times where your athleticism can only carry you so far.

Haskins has it between the ears. Murray doesn't. I do think that matters.
RE: bw  
bw in dc : 3/20/2019 1:04 pm : link
In comment 14349460 ryanmkeane said:
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you're creating your own narrative out of nothing, no evidence, or anything that suggests this clip wasn't what it was...which was them having a cool conversation about football and Haskins diagnosing a play. If Haskins knew the "setup" beforehand...who gives a shit. He clearly showed he can handle it.


Simple question - is it easier to look good knowing the test question in advance or having no idea what the test question is going to be?
RE: RE: Eric I agree  
Giants38 : 3/20/2019 1:23 pm : link
In comment 14349353 Eric from BBI said:
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there's something about this kid. No doubt it seems like he can handle the pressure of being the NYG QB. That's almost more important than the rest of it.



I hope people caught what Mariucci tried to do. He drew up the play, but then distracted him with the small talk, then came back and asked him to repeat the chalkboard stuff. And he didn't miss anything. This kid is 21 years old!


I said this in another thread: a guy with his combination of arm talent and football intelligence is not going to fail. He may have things to work on at the next level, but Iím confident he will not fail.
A..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 3/20/2019 1:28 pm : link
simple question likely derived from a faulty premise:

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Simple question - is it easier to look good knowing the test question in advance or having no idea what the test question is going to be?


Common operating procedure for you though. Make up a narrative, present it as fact and then tell others to refute it.

Haskins seems to have all the tools...  
Pete in CO : 3/20/2019 2:06 pm : link
...football intelligence, good personality, big body, arm strength, accuracy. I would really like to get on board with this selection...

...But I just cannot get around the lack of success by OSU QBs - and many QBs coached by Urban Meyer - in the NFL. Probably unfair to Haskins, I realize. But does this type of criticism carry any weight w NFL team scouts? At what point do they separate the player from the system/team for which they played?
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Cap'n Bluebeard : 3/20/2019 2:28 pm : link
In comment 14349499 bw in dc said:
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you're creating your own narrative out of nothing, no evidence, or anything that suggests this clip wasn't what it was...which was them having a cool conversation about football and Haskins diagnosing a play. If Haskins knew the "setup" beforehand...who gives a shit. He clearly showed he can handle it.



Simple question - is it easier to look good knowing the test question in advance or having no idea what the test question is going to be?


So your contention is that not only did Haskins agree to go on the segment and knew what was coming in a general sense, but that Mariucci (or someone on the production team) actually gave him the exact scenarios? Hope you've got some proof of that.
RE: Haskins seems to have all the tools...  
arcarsenal : 3/20/2019 2:35 pm : link
In comment 14349670 Pete in CO said:
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...football intelligence, good personality, big body, arm strength, accuracy. I would really like to get on board with this selection...

...But I just cannot get around the lack of success by OSU QBs - and many QBs coached by Urban Meyer - in the NFL. Probably unfair to Haskins, I realize. But does this type of criticism carry any weight w NFL team scouts? At what point do they separate the player from the system/team for which they played?


Well, if this is your logic - I hope you aren't waiting for Tua because I can make the same argument for Alabama QB's.

AJ McCarron is going to be a career backup. Guys like Coker and Sims never made it.

How many PSU RB's dominated before Saquon Barkley? Were you worried about him because of that?

You HAVE to separate the player - otherwise you'll miss on a lot of really good ones.
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bw in dc : 3/20/2019 2:43 pm : link
In comment 14349756 Cap'n Bluebeard said:
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you're creating your own narrative out of nothing, no evidence, or anything that suggests this clip wasn't what it was...which was them having a cool conversation about football and Haskins diagnosing a play. If Haskins knew the "setup" beforehand...who gives a shit. He clearly showed he can handle it.



Simple question - is it easier to look good knowing the test question in advance or having no idea what the test question is going to be?



So your contention is that not only did Haskins agree to go on the segment and knew what was coming in a general sense, but that Mariucci (or someone on the production team) actually gave him the exact scenarios? Hope you've got some proof of that.


No. I'm saying he knew that A play would discussed and he would have to memorize the play.
You're right arc...  
Pete in CO : 3/20/2019 3:50 pm : link
...and I trust the scouts know how big his upside really is.
RE: The biggest knocks  
robbieballs2003 : 3/20/2019 3:51 pm : link
In comment 14349270 HoustonGiant said:
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on Haskins are inexperience, and he wasn't allowed to diagnose/adjust, he was supposedly told by the sideline.

This kind of puts that to bed.


Where did you read that? I heard the exact opposite. Ohio State had to tweak their offense to him as the season went on as he was doing more for that team than any QB they had before like calling out the protections and seeing the defense very well.
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Amtoft : 3/20/2019 3:51 pm : link
In comment 14349806 bw in dc said:
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you're creating your own narrative out of nothing, no evidence, or anything that suggests this clip wasn't what it was...which was them having a cool conversation about football and Haskins diagnosing a play. If Haskins knew the "setup" beforehand...who gives a shit. He clearly showed he can handle it.



Simple question - is it easier to look good knowing the test question in advance or having no idea what the test question is going to be?



So your contention is that not only did Haskins agree to go on the segment and knew what was coming in a general sense, but that Mariucci (or someone on the production team) actually gave him the exact scenarios? Hope you've got some proof of that.



No. I'm saying he knew that A play would discussed and he would have to memorize the play.


I don't think so... My memory isn't that good and I remembered the play every part.
The only thing this video proves is that he's  
mikeinbloomfield : 3/20/2019 4:24 pm : link
a likable guy. I don't know if even the creators of this video intended for anything else. This is a fairly simple play and doesn't really take into account what defense Denver was in, etc.
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Zeke's Alibi : 3/20/2019 4:26 pm : link
In comment 14350070 mikeinbloomfield said:
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a likable guy. I don't know if even the creators of this video intended for anything else. This is a fairly simple play and doesn't really take into account what defense Denver was in, etc.


Honestly, I love Haskins but it would be more of a red flag he couldn't pick that up. I mean I watched it an hour ago and I still can recall the play. Not the terminology, but the actual play.
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Thegratefulhead : 3/20/2019 5:06 pm : link
In comment 14349558 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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simple question likely derived from a faulty premise:



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Simple question - is it easier to look good knowing the test question in advance or having no idea what the test question is going to be?



Common operating procedure for you though. Make up a narrative, present it as fact and then tell others to refute it.
Kinda thought you were a dick for the way you seemed to hawk BW. I was very wrong.
Know who else was a big whiteboard guy?  
KerrysFlask : 3/20/2019 6:36 pm : link
Davis Webb

No denying Haskins is a good kid, but idk...
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/20/2019 6:48 pm : link
In comment 14350074 Zeke's Alibi said:
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a likable guy. I don't know if even the creators of this video intended for anything else. This is a fairly simple play and doesn't really take into account what defense Denver was in, etc.



Honestly, I love Haskins but it would be more of a red flag he couldn't pick that up. I mean I watched it an hour ago and I still can recall the play. Not the terminology, but the actual play.


That's the point. He remembered the actual terminology. He remembered everything. I seriously doubt any of us would have been able to do that.
RE: Know who else was a big whiteboard guy?  
GFAN52 : 3/20/2019 6:50 pm : link
In comment 14350290 KerrysFlask said:
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Davis Webb

No denying Haskins is a good kid, but idk...


Webb's passing pales in comparison to Haskins.
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Zeke's Alibi : 3/20/2019 6:51 pm : link
In comment 14350301 Eric from BBI said:
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a likable guy. I don't know if even the creators of this video intended for anything else. This is a fairly simple play and doesn't really take into account what defense Denver was in, etc.



Honestly, I love Haskins but it would be more of a red flag he couldn't pick that up. I mean I watched it an hour ago and I still can recall the play. Not the terminology, but the actual play.



That's the point. He remembered the actual terminology. He remembered everything. I seriously doubt any of us would have been able to do that.


It seems difficult to a layman, but when you play QB that type of terminology becomes second language.
And your right some guys can't. That is why its a red flag to me  
Zeke's Alibi : 3/20/2019 7:03 pm : link
if he couldn't. Your QB generally needs above average IQ. There are notable exceptions to this rule, but it isn't the norm. Generally the exceptions cruise on their superior athletic ability or arm talent.
They just re-ran the pro day on NFLN  
KerrysFlask : 3/20/2019 10:15 pm : link
and the kid looked pretty damn good. Moved better than the combine I thought.

And he talks the part. Says all the right things. Good personality to lead a franchise.

I'm warming to the idea of Haskins at 6. Especially if he doesn't see the field for a year.
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christian : 3/20/2019 11:07 pm : link
Of course he's prepped for the segment and ready for the camera. That's a given -- and yet we've seen plenty of guys come off poorly in similar gimmicks.

The impressive part is retaining, relaying, and understanding naturally. The less the mind commands of the brain, the more it can steer the body.

It's a good exercise -- as far as I know the Giants will still be giving the quarterbacks the plays before the games start -- so I'm not worried if he was prepped.
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