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GF1080 : 3/20/2019 11:36 am
Some friendlies coming up and with Berhalter now coaching we'll be able to see his vision for the team. Saw this article today as well so I figured we can get some discussion going. The younger guys all playing in Europe has me very excited for the future of the squad.


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I am still very pissed that  
superspynyg : 3/20/2019 12:05 pm : link
they missed the cup. Not only that but Italy missed as well.
I watched RB Leipzig's game against Schalke last weekend -  
Del Shofner : 3/20/2019 12:10 pm : link
Tyler Adams is killing it in the Bundesliga - was probably man of the match or close to it. The announcers, who are not pro-MLS at all, were raving about him.
Youth  
GF1080 : 3/20/2019 12:29 pm : link
Pulisic
Steffen
McKennie
Adams
Weah
Sargent
Yedlin
Brooks
Miazaga

It's exciting and some of these guys are already major contributors on their teams in Europe.
Thanks for the info.  
Fred-in-Florida : 3/20/2019 1:22 pm : link
Can’t watch the game so i Dvr’d it. Hopefully we can develop some of these younger guys!
its funny, after reading the posted link  
UConn4523 : 3/20/2019 1:26 pm : link
it makes you scratch your head about ESPN's ability to cover Soccer, and stink almost everywhere else. That's a nice summary of where the team is at right now for those of us who've been out of the loop for a while.
I'd be hesitant to use Pulisic as something other than a winger  
Go Terps : 3/20/2019 1:33 pm : link
That was his best role for Dortmund, I think it's his best role for USMNT too.
Two things  
Tim in Capital City : 3/20/2019 2:15 pm : link
1) Yedlin is neither young nor a good soccer player.
2) This ESPN guy’s lineup bears no resemblance to what Berhalter seems to be trying to put together.
Yedlin  
GF1080 : 3/20/2019 2:26 pm : link
25 isn't young? News to me.

He's a good player for Newcastle can't help if he's misused.
RE: Two things  
Pep22 : 3/20/2019 2:26 pm : link
In comment 14349707 Tim in Capital City said:
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1) Yedlin is neither young nor a good soccer player.
2) This ESPN guy’s lineup bears no resemblance to what Berhalter seems to be trying to put together.


You seem to have your finger on the pulse. Can you go into as much detail as you have time for to describe what GB envisions and what players should land where in terms of "in the mix" at the respective XI spots?
Yedlin..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 3/20/2019 2:27 pm : link
is a very good player who is versatile.

He's also only 25 years old.

Heard that Berhalter wants to use him in a couple of different positions.
Pep22  
Tim in Capital City : 3/20/2019 2:34 pm : link
I’m picking up some sarcasm there. I don’t claim to understand what Berhalter thinks beyond what he’s said, but it seems that he is attempting to institute a system that favors a right back that can tuck inside, help with linkup play, and sort of play as a second defensive CM. Yedlin doesn’t fit that model at all. It is why he’s going to try to play Adams at that role during the next two friendles. Yedlin would seem to fit the Arriola position better which is expected to track back and provide wide cover defensively.

Now you could argue that the system Berhalter is attempting isn’t going to work against better competition, and he’s going to need to revert back to a more classic 4-3-3, but I don’t think that’s what you’re arguing.
Berhalter..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 3/20/2019 2:36 pm : link
has said he plane on trying Yedlin out at RW.
My view on Yedlin  
Tim in Capital City : 3/20/2019 2:37 pm : link
Pros: Athletic. Fast. Can occasionally hit a nice cross.
Cons: Lacks tactical awareness, not a very good 1-on-1 defender, has the touch of a donkey.

Cons number 1 and 2 have improved under Rafa and could continue to improve, but I still don’t know that he’s the answer given he’s going to be 29 when the next WC kicks off, and once he slows down, he’s going to get exploited defensively.
RE: Berhalter..  
Tim in Capital City : 3/20/2019 2:38 pm : link
In comment 14349783 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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has said he plane on trying Yedlin out at RW.


Precisely. So why is this article putting him at RB? We have not seen a US manager who has given such straightforward answers to reporter questions in a long time. It’s really goddamn refreshing to know that not only does GB have a plan, but he’s willing to share it.
RE: Pep22  
Pep22 : 3/20/2019 3:17 pm : link
In comment 14349775 Tim in Capital City said:
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I’m picking up some sarcasm there. I don’t claim to understand what Berhalter thinks beyond what he’s said, but it seems that he is attempting to institute a system that favors a right back that can tuck inside, help with linkup play, and sort of play as a second defensive CM. Yedlin doesn’t fit that model at all. It is why he’s going to try to play Adams at that role during the next two friendles. Yedlin would seem to fit the Arriola position better which is expected to track back and provide wide cover defensively.

Now you could argue that the system Berhalter is attempting isn’t going to work against better competition, and he’s going to need to revert back to a more classic 4-3-3, but I don’t think that’s what you’re arguing.


Sorry, there was no sarcasm intended. I genuinely wanted to get a better feel than I do now for GB and upcoming players.
Pep  
Tim in Capital City : 3/21/2019 12:42 pm : link
Apologies if I misread your tone. I came across this on twitter (link), and I think it’s a pretty good description of what Berhalter has tried to do so far.

GB has said he’s going to try out Adams in that RB/CM role.

Bradley or Trapp appear to be the favorite for QBs right now. Weston M is the linker, Pulisic is the creator. Unclear who the wings are...I’d guess Arriola on the right and perhaps Baird on the left. Pretty sad, but Zardes is probably the Striker/Finisher. As for the backs, something like Ream, Brooks, Miazga.
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That looks to be  
Tim in Capital City : 3/21/2019 7:24 pm : link
the lineup but with Morris instead of Baird and Long instead of Miazga. Also surprised that Sean Johnson is starting in goal. Oh, and I’d take Bradley over Trapp.
Decent start  
Joey from GlenCove : 3/21/2019 8:19 pm : link
Real opportunities.
This team is a breath of fresh air vs that disinterested  
Zeke's Alibi : 3/21/2019 8:20 pm : link
group that lost to TnT.
RE: This team is a breath of fresh air vs that disinterested  
Joey from GlenCove : 3/21/2019 8:22 pm : link
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group that lost to TnT.


Man you said it. But ppl will go nuts when Bradley starts in the gold
Cup
You know I really don't have a huge issue with Bradley.  
Zeke's Alibi : 3/21/2019 8:41 pm : link
He has been a victim of circumstance here and forcing him into a role that doesn't suit his strengths. Hard to hate his work rate, which to me should be a staple of any American team. We need to develop our own unique style and that should be part ofit.
We need some legit strikers  
Zeke's Alibi : 3/21/2019 8:47 pm : link
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RE: We need some legit strikers  
Joey from GlenCove : 3/21/2019 8:50 pm : link
In comment 14352345 Zeke's Alibi said:
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Yes. I really thought jozy was going to be something.
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Del Shofner : 3/21/2019 9:17 pm : link
In comment 14349775 Tim in Capital City said:
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Berhalter ... is attempting to institute a system that favors a right back that can tuck inside, help with linkup play, and sort of play as a second defensive CM. ... he’s going to try to play Adams at that role during the next two friendlies.


Didn't take Ecuador long to figure out that that "tucking inside ... as a second defensive CM" leaves the US with no right back.

If anyone can do it, Adams can, but I'm not sure about it as a system.
RE: .  
Zeke's Alibi : 3/21/2019 9:20 pm : link
In comment 14352378 Del Shofner said:
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In comment 14349775 Tim in Capital City said:


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Berhalter ... is attempting to institute a system that favors a right back that can tuck inside, help with linkup play, and sort of play as a second defensive CM. ... he’s going to try to play Adams at that role during the next two friendlies.



Didn't take Ecuador long to figure out that that "tucking inside ... as a second defensive CM" leaves the US with no right back.

If anyone can do it, Adams can, but I'm not sure about it as a system.


Nearly led to goal, good thing they are as bad at finishing as we are.
How has there not been a goal....this game  
Zeke's Alibi : 3/21/2019 9:23 pm : link
has been wide open.
McKennie sprains an ankle (at best) -  
Del Shofner : 3/21/2019 9:39 pm : link
not what Schalke needed, they're fighting relegation as it is.
Zardes with the deflection goal  
Del Shofner : 3/21/2019 9:49 pm : link
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Del  
Tim in Capital City : 3/22/2019 10:26 am : link
It won’t take better competition (and I’m not sure if Ecuador last night qualified) to exploit the lack of a right back. What I couldn’t figure out is why when the formation morphed into a back 3 (Ream had no offensive responsibility), they didn’t slide over instead of just leaving the right back spot open.

I’m definitely not sold on the formation, but I am relieved that Adams performed really well in it. My big concern with him at RB was that it would hamstring some of his best attributes, yet he seemed to get more comfortable and more active in the position as the game wore on.

I do think this formation could work well against the lesser concacaf competition.
Playing vs. Chile  
Pete in MD : 3/26/2019 8:10 pm : link
right now. Pulisic buts them ahead early!
RE: Playing vs. Chile  
Del Shofner : 3/26/2019 8:42 pm : link
In comment 14358306 Pete in MD said:
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right now. Pulisic buts them ahead early!


Looking pretty bad since that goal. Chile tied it up quickly and has dominated since. And now Pulisic is out with an injury ...
We need more mobile defenders if we are going with this floating 3  
Zeke's Alibi : 3/26/2019 8:45 pm : link
in the back. On the plus side we were finding space and opportunity on the offensive side. That will be gone with Pulisic out I'm sure.
That being said even though we were finding space and opportunity  
Zeke's Alibi : 3/26/2019 8:47 pm : link
the lack of technical ability of our players is evident. Remember when we used to be at least the best athletes on the field? Now we seem outmatched athletically and technically.
quad problem for Pulisic -  
Del Shofner : 3/26/2019 8:49 pm : link
- beats a knee, I guess.
Well Zardes still has lead in his feet.  
Zeke's Alibi : 3/26/2019 9:20 pm : link
This team is a tough watch without Pulisic.
ends 1-1  
Del Shofner : 3/26/2019 9:57 pm : link
We looked terrible for about 60 minutes, from Pulisic's goal until the 65th minute or so. Not sure what Berhalter did at that point but we played a decent last 25 minutes. Chile clearly has superior talent to the team we fielded tonight, but it seems like Berhalter is experimenting with a lot of players so it's hard to tell.
We seemed more organized after Trapp came in.  
Zeke's Alibi : 3/26/2019 10:07 pm : link
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