Aditi Kinkhabwala
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Dwayne Haskins told @MoveTheSticks and I that meeting w/ the Giants was awesome... We had some good talks, ate some good food and it was a great experience." Said hes meeting w/ #Broncos, #Raiders, #Dolphins and #Redskins next.
Haskins mentioned "Good food". That's a red flag.
Interesting draft changes at the top if the Raiders took Haskins. Makes sense with the Dolphins and Redskins interest.
RE: Anyone remember how giddy Tommy C was around Eli in the draft process
but I think his preference for working with vets and a top of the draft stocked with defensive playmakers prevents them from taking a QB
I remember watching Gruden do his QB Camp show on ESPN when Carr was a draft prospect. He was effusive with praise about Carr and it seemed genuine. So I think he likes what he has there, but needs to add better support...
It's not just me right? Like even the body language and everything when they are talking seems to be like this is the guy I want to work with and stake my career.
I've heard we had the whole army out to watch that day as well. Can anyone say from their observation how Shurmer/Shula/Gettleman's body language/non-verbals looked after watching that one? Or even at Darnold's?
I am just curious if we have a point of comparison from last year.
RE: Eric or anyone who watched Rosen's pro day last year
I've heard we had the whole army out to watch that day as well. Can anyone say from their observation how Shurmer/Shula/Gettleman's body language/non-verbals looked after watching that one? Or even at Darnold's?
I am just curious if we have a point of comparison from last year.
Yeh I'm getting fucking excited watching them cavort. It just feels like this it, the next face of the franchise, and I'm all aboard. Mayfield was my guy last year, but I knew that was never happening, this year it is Haskins. I like Murray, but something about his attitude/IQ tells me he's missing that unquantifiable it. Will flash based on his talent and athletic ability, but never gets over that hump.
On the flipside, Haskins screams to me can't miss prospect. He is the type of QB that college hasn't been producing. Guys that can really on their legs tend to use it as a crutch and never progress like they should. Even when Haskins can run he doesn't. He wants to throw the ball.
Problem is, you just never know. I've seen too many "can't miss" guys miss. You do the best you can do.
The issues with Haskins are obvious... he's only played in a handful of games. He had a great team around him including a great OL. That makes things easier.
Problem is, you just never know. I've seen too many "can't miss" guys miss. You do the best you can do.
The issues with Haskins are obvious... he's only played in a handful of games. He had a great team around him including a great OL. That makes things easier.
I don't think that OL was great at all. Go watch the vs Penn State or Michigan or TCU etc. He had a ton of pressure against him all season. In fact he faced 6 of the top 51 Def this year throwing for like 1900+ yards 19 TDs and 2 Int which one was a tip ball of the WRs hands.
Probably the Jets at 3 would be the spot to move to?
We can match any package they can put together unless they give up like 3 number 1s.
If the Redskins or another team offered next years 2020 1st in addition to this years 1st I could see them topping the Giants. I dont see DG spending 2020 picks.
Problem is, you just never know. I've seen too many "can't miss" guys miss. You do the best you can do.
The issues with Haskins are obvious... he's only played in a handful of games. He had a great team around him including a great OL. That makes things easier.
Can't Miss determined by who? With the attitude, IQ, and arm talent the guy has its hard not seeing him be a starting NFL QB in this league. Maybe he never becomes a special QB I can buy that, I'm just not seeing how he isn't going to be an average starting NFL QB for the majority of his career.
We can match any package they can put together unless they give up like 3 number 1s.
If the Redskins or another team offered next years 2020 1st in addition to this years 1st I could see them topping the Giants. I dont see DG spending 2020 picks.
That is a pretty big move up... I don't think they do that especially after RG3 cost them many years. They got lucky that year also drafting Cousins.
We can match any package they can put together unless they give up like 3 number 1s.
If the Redskins or another team offered next years 2020 1st in addition to this years 1st I could see them topping the Giants. I dont see DG spending 2020 picks.
Our 6 + 17 has a higher worth than Redksins 1st this year and next.
We can match any package they can put together unless they give up like 3 number 1s.
If the Redskins or another team offered next years 2020 1st in addition to this years 1st I could see them topping the Giants. I dont see DG spending 2020 picks.
Our 6 + 17 has a higher worth than Redksins 1st this year and next.
It wouldn't cost that much... it would cost probably our 2nd this year and 2nd next year... still don't think we move up unless it is a 3rd or less.
I've heard we had the whole army out to watch that day as well. Can anyone say from their observation how Shurmer/Shula/Gettleman's body language/non-verbals looked after watching that one? Or even at Darnold's?
I am just curious if we have a point of comparison from last year.
I watched Rosen's and Darnold's
Rosen was like watching the making of "How to Play QB" video. He was expected to look good and he did. It was outside at UCLA. Did a lot of play-action stuff with rollouts to both sides. Looked like a natural doing it. Frankly, I don't recall seeing any of the brass...
I don't see the Giants giving up both their #1s for Haskins.
I think your're right. I think they really like Cody Ford in that spot. However, if he's the guy, he's the guy and we know DG comes from the Accorsi school. You give up what you have to when you've identified him.
RE: RE: Eric or anyone who watched Rosen's pro day last year
I've heard we had the whole army out to watch that day as well. Can anyone say from their observation how Shurmer/Shula/Gettleman's body language/non-verbals looked after watching that one? Or even at Darnold's?
I am just curious if we have a point of comparison from last year.
I watched Rosen's and Darnold's
Rosen was like watching the making of "How to Play QB" video. He was expected to look good and he did. It was outside at UCLA. Did a lot of play-action stuff with rollouts to both sides. Looked like a natural doing it. Frankly, I don't recall seeing any of the brass...
They were there. In fact they had a private workout with him prior to the pro day.
I could probably list 100 players off of the top of my head who were supposed to be "can't miss".
Sure by other people. I don't take stock into how other people rate can't miss, mostly cause I believe it is a super overused word. If you aren't hitting over 80 percent on your own personal can't miss prospects I think you are overusing that word.
I don't see the Giants giving up both their #1s for Haskins.
I think your're right. I think they really like Cody Ford in that spot. However, if he's the guy, he's the guy and we know DG comes from the Accorsi school. You give up what you have to when you've identified him.
Just look at last year... to move from 6 to 4 or 3 won't cost nearly what you are talking.
They were there. In fact they had a private workout with him prior to the pro day.
I don't doubt it. I just don't remember seeing them. I remember seeing some old guy there for the Pats. For a second, I thought it was Ernie Adams, their PM for Belichick's special needs. But I don't think it was. Made sense, because there was talk that the Pats were very interested and might trade up...
They went from 6 to 3 in a QB heavy draft... that means you pay more. Won't cost that much this year.
Teams always overpay to move up for QB, doesn't matter if it is QB heavy draft or not. This year is a bit different because there are less teams looking and if it costs us anymore than 17 or two seconds we should pass. Mostly because the other teams looking to trade up or so far down in draft position it would take a severe overpay for them to get there.
No... Someone mentioned he was still getting in even better shape after coming into the combine to big. Said he will run for teams at their visits if they want him too.
don't see the Giants moving up for Haskins, except maybe to #5. The cost would be tremendous, and we have so many other holes. But that workout was incredible, and I think increases the chance the Giants would take him at #6.
I have the same concerns that have already been mentioned, namely that he has started so few games, frequently had all day to throw, and isn't particularly mobile. But the enormous contingent of Giants and their constant attention do seem to indicate that he's the favorite at #6.
I have a hard time seeing the Raiders moving on from Carr at this point and Chucky's reputation is to rehab veterans more than it is develop rookies.
Cincinnati could be a dark horse.
Miami ultimately waits for 2020.
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Aditi Kinkhabwala
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Dwayne Haskins told @MoveTheSticks and I that meeting w/ the Giants was awesome... We had some good talks, ate some good food and it was a great experience." Said hes meeting w/ #Broncos, #Raiders, #Dolphins and #Redskins next.
Haskins mentioned "Good food". That's a red flag.
Interesting draft changes at the top if the Raiders took Haskins. Makes sense with the Dolphins and Redskins interest.
Why?
Definitely a nice relationship there.
I remember watching Gruden do his QB Camp show on ESPN when Carr was a draft prospect. He was effusive with praise about Carr and it seemed genuine. So I think he likes what he has there, but needs to add better support...
It's not just me right? Like even the body language and everything when they are talking seems to be like this is the guy I want to work with and stake my career.
I am just curious if we have a point of comparison from last year.
I am just curious if we have a point of comparison from last year.
I didn't see it.
Yeh I'm getting fucking excited watching them cavort. It just feels like this it, the next face of the franchise, and I'm all aboard. Mayfield was my guy last year, but I knew that was never happening, this year it is Haskins. I like Murray, but something about his attitude/IQ tells me he's missing that unquantifiable it. Will flash based on his talent and athletic ability, but never gets over that hump.
On the flipside, Haskins screams to me can't miss prospect. He is the type of QB that college hasn't been producing. Guys that can really on their legs tend to use it as a crutch and never progress like they should. Even when Haskins can run he doesn't. He wants to throw the ball.
The issues with Haskins are obvious... he's only played in a handful of games. He had a great team around him including a great OL. That makes things easier.
I think by Darnolds pro day in the rain the Giants were already comfortable with SB and the thinking was Darnold was going to the Browns.
The issues with Haskins are obvious... he's only played in a handful of games. He had a great team around him including a great OL. That makes things easier.
I don't think that OL was great at all. Go watch the vs Penn State or Michigan or TCU etc. He had a ton of pressure against him all season. In fact he faced 6 of the top 51 Def this year throwing for like 1900+ yards 19 TDs and 2 Int which one was a tip ball of the WRs hands.
If the Redskins or another team offered next years 2020 1st in addition to this years 1st I could see them topping the Giants. I dont see DG spending 2020 picks.
The issues with Haskins are obvious... he's only played in a handful of games. He had a great team around him including a great OL. That makes things easier.
Can't Miss determined by who? With the attitude, IQ, and arm talent the guy has its hard not seeing him be a starting NFL QB in this league. Maybe he never becomes a special QB I can buy that, I'm just not seeing how he isn't going to be an average starting NFL QB for the majority of his career.
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We can match any package they can put together unless they give up like 3 number 1s.
If the Redskins or another team offered next years 2020 1st in addition to this years 1st I could see them topping the Giants. I dont see DG spending 2020 picks.
That is a pretty big move up... I don't think they do that especially after RG3 cost them many years. They got lucky that year also drafting Cousins.
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We can match any package they can put together unless they give up like 3 number 1s.
If the Redskins or another team offered next years 2020 1st in addition to this years 1st I could see them topping the Giants. I dont see DG spending 2020 picks.
Our 6 + 17 has a higher worth than Redksins 1st this year and next.
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We can match any package they can put together unless they give up like 3 number 1s.
If the Redskins or another team offered next years 2020 1st in addition to this years 1st I could see them topping the Giants. I dont see DG spending 2020 picks.
Our 6 + 17 has a higher worth than Redksins 1st this year and next.
It wouldn't cost that much... it would cost probably our 2nd this year and 2nd next year... still don't think we move up unless it is a 3rd or less.
I am just curious if we have a point of comparison from last year.
I watched Rosen's and Darnold's
Rosen was like watching the making of "How to Play QB" video. He was expected to look good and he did. It was outside at UCLA. Did a lot of play-action stuff with rollouts to both sides. Looked like a natural doing it. Frankly, I don't recall seeing any of the brass...
I would hope not, given the defensive needs.
I think your're right. I think they really like Cody Ford in that spot. However, if he's the guy, he's the guy and we know DG comes from the Accorsi school. You give up what you have to when you've identified him.
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I've heard we had the whole army out to watch that day as well. Can anyone say from their observation how Shurmer/Shula/Gettleman's body language/non-verbals looked after watching that one? Or even at Darnold's?
I am just curious if we have a point of comparison from last year.
I watched Rosen's and Darnold's
Rosen was like watching the making of "How to Play QB" video. He was expected to look good and he did. It was outside at UCLA. Did a lot of play-action stuff with rollouts to both sides. Looked like a natural doing it. Frankly, I don't recall seeing any of the brass...
They were there. In fact they had a private workout with him prior to the pro day.
Sure by other people. I don't take stock into how other people rate can't miss, mostly cause I believe it is a super overused word. If you aren't hitting over 80 percent on your own personal can't miss prospects I think you are overusing that word.
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I don't see the Giants giving up both their #1s for Haskins.
I think your're right. I think they really like Cody Ford in that spot. However, if he's the guy, he's the guy and we know DG comes from the Accorsi school. You give up what you have to when you've identified him.
Just look at last year... to move from 6 to 4 or 3 won't cost nearly what you are talking.
They were there. In fact they had a private workout with him prior to the pro day.
I don't doubt it. I just don't remember seeing them. I remember seeing some old guy there for the Pats. For a second, I thought it was Ernie Adams, their PM for Belichick's special needs. But I don't think it was. Made sense, because there was talk that the Pats were very interested and might trade up...
They went from 6 to 3 in a QB heavy draft... that means you pay more. Won't cost that much this year.
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That is worth significatly more than the 17.
They went from 6 to 3 in a QB heavy draft... that means you pay more. Won't cost that much this year.
Teams always overpay to move up for QB, doesn't matter if it is QB heavy draft or not. This year is a bit different because there are less teams looking and if it costs us anymore than 17 or two seconds we should pass. Mostly because the other teams looking to trade up or so far down in draft position it would take a severe overpay for them to get there.
No... Someone mentioned he was still getting in even better shape after coming into the combine to big. Said he will run for teams at their visits if they want him too.
No, neither did most of the other OSU players
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That is worth significatly more than the 17.
They went from 6 to 3 in a QB heavy draft... that means you pay more. Won't cost that much this year.
To move from 6 to 3 we would be dealing with the same team that made that exact move last year, they aren't taking less than what they had to give up.
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40 or 3 cone?
No, neither did most of the other OSU players
I'm not surprised. That looked like a very slow field.
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That is worth significatly more than the 17.
They went from 6 to 3 in a QB heavy draft... that means you pay more. Won't cost that much this year.
To move from 6 to 3 we would be dealing with the same team that made that exact move last year, they aren't taking less than what they had to give up.
You take what you can get. If they truly want to move then you can't get what you can't get.
I have the same concerns that have already been mentioned, namely that he has started so few games, frequently had all day to throw, and isn't particularly mobile. But the enormous contingent of Giants and their constant attention do seem to indicate that he's the favorite at #6.