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Haskins: one point that stands out over and over

ryanmkeane : 3/20/2019 3:30 pm
I feel like with these QB interviews at the combine, at the draft, pro days, etc...these QBs mainly say generic answers about leadership, arm talent, making all the throws, athleticism, saying their tape speaks for itself, etc, wanting to be "the best" player they can be, all that good stuff.

Haskins seems to always bring this up first before he says anything else: "you put me in any playbook, and I'll make it work" and "i take pride in my football intelligence and IQ of the game as the quarterback."

That should stand out to the NYG coaches and GM.
The draft process is a common-sense test.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/20/2019 3:32 pm : link
Who can follow the script best. It's like training for post-game press conferences.
'I am just glad to be here...  
Jimmy Googs : 3/20/2019 3:33 pm : link
hope I can help the ballclub."


Sincerely,

Nuke Laloosh
RE: The draft process is a common-sense test.  
ryanmkeane : 3/20/2019 3:34 pm : link
In comment 14349939 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Who can follow the script best. It's like training for post-game press conferences.

TTH what I'm saying is, I don't think he is scripted at all. He doesn't say generic answers like most of these guys. He gives specific examples as to what is going to make him a good player.
Even if you don't think  
The Dude : 3/20/2019 3:35 pm : link
Haskins is the guy, its not because of his attitude and how he carries himself.
Haskins...  
Gjfro : 3/20/2019 3:37 pm : link
there's no doubt the guy can make all the throws and the reviews of his demeanor and football acumen are strong as well...while I would prefer to trade next years 2nd round pick for Rosen (better risk reward), I think Haskins could be a franchise QB
He has a big accurate arm and know his stuff  
Chip : 3/20/2019 3:41 pm : link
but only playing in 13 games with minimum pass pressure is a red flag. He should have stayed in college one more year.
Davis Webb  
Leg of Theismann : 3/20/2019 3:49 pm : link
was pretty confident in his abilities too.

He said something last offseason about the fact that no one will ever outwork him and no one can spin it as well as he can.

He was cut shortly after that.
RE:  
Mr. Bungle : 3/20/2019 3:50 pm : link
In comment 14349964 Chip said:
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He should have stayed in college one more year.

And become the fourth QB taken after Tua, Fromm, and Herbert?
Chip  
ryanmkeane : 3/20/2019 3:50 pm : link
Gettleman and Shurmur have said multiple times one of their goals every year is to improve the OL and get a dominant OL. I don't think Haskins is going to be any less mobile than say, a Jared Goff or a Matt Ryan.
RE: Davis Webb  
ryanmkeane : 3/20/2019 3:54 pm : link
In comment 14349986 Leg of Theismann said:
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was pretty confident in his abilities too.

He said something last offseason about the fact that no one will ever outwork him and no one can spin it as well as he can.

He was cut shortly after that.

Webb was a 3rd-5th round prospects. Haskins is a 1st round QB, possibly top 10 prospect. There's a big difference there. Are you really comparing Webb to Haskins?
RE: 'I am just glad to be here...  
Thegratefulhead : 3/20/2019 3:58 pm : link
In comment 14349940 Jimmy Googs said:
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hope I can help the ballclub."


Sincerely,

Nuke Laloosh
TY love this
I like Haskins from the neck up  
EB222 : 3/20/2019 4:15 pm : link
And he throws a nice ball. But where Murray seems two clicks quicker
than everyone else, Haskins seems a click slower than most top prospects.

Lumbering may be overstating it, but a concern.
RE: RE: Davis Webb  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/20/2019 4:16 pm : link
In comment 14350000 ryanmkeane said:
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In comment 14349986 Leg of Theismann said:


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was pretty confident in his abilities too.

He said something last offseason about the fact that no one will ever outwork him and no one can spin it as well as he can.

He was cut shortly after that.


Webb was a 3rd-5th round prospects. Haskins is a 1st round QB, possibly top 10 prospect. There's a big difference there. Are you really comparing Webb to Haskins?


He wasn't comparing their ability. He was comparing their talk.
RE: RE:  
Zeke's Alibi : 3/20/2019 4:16 pm : link
In comment 14349988 Mr. Bungle said:
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In comment 14349964 Chip said:


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He should have stayed in college one more year.


And become the fourth QB taken after Tua, Fromm, and Herbert?


If he plays like he did last year this year in college he'd be in the conversation with Tua and ahead of Fromm and Herbert based on what they've produced on the field to date.
Haskins is better than herbert, IMO  
UConn4523 : 3/20/2019 4:20 pm : link
and less of an injury risk than Tua. It also doesn’t matter, either we like him enough to draft him or we don’t. The 2020 QBs have a lot to prove still, any one of them can regress or get hurt, please keep that in mind when doing these arbitrary rankings.
RE: Haskins is better than herbert, IMO  
Bill L : 3/20/2019 4:26 pm : link
In comment 14350060 UConn4523 said:
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and less of an injury risk than Tua. It also doesn’t matter, either we like him enough to draft him or we don’t. The 2020 QBs have a lot to prove still, any one of them can regress or get hurt, please keep that in mind when doing these arbitrary rankings.


That could be correct. However, I just want to point out that we in all in the midst of a "recency high" and this high is also impacted by looking at someone performing under the most optimal conditions he will ever have.
Doesn't Tua have the same "problem"?  
UConn4523 : 3/20/2019 4:36 pm : link
I don't get knocking Haskins for his surrounding talent yet clamoring for Tua or Fromm considering their supporting cast every year is filled with 5 star recruits and top requiting classes.

Just doesn't seem constructive to me, you can argue that for many top QB's coming out. If you don't like Haskins its perfectly fine, but his surrounding talent shouldn't be the reason why.
These QB's get so over-analyzed its ridiculous.  
Brown Recluse : 3/20/2019 4:42 pm : link
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RE: Doesn't Tua have the same  
Bill L : 3/20/2019 4:42 pm : link
In comment 14350100 UConn4523 said:
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I don't get knocking Haskins for his surrounding talent yet clamoring for Tua or Fromm considering their supporting cast every year is filled with 5 star recruits and top requiting classes.

Just doesn't seem constructive to me, you can argue that for many top QB's coming out. If you don't like Haskins its perfectly fine, but his surrounding talent shouldn't be the reason why.


If you're responding to me, I didn't mean the OSU supporting cast during the season. I mean that Pro Days are set up to make you look as good as you can possibly be. That's for everyone.
RE: Haskins is better than herbert, IMO  
Leg of Theismann : 3/20/2019 4:45 pm : link
In comment 14350060 UConn4523 said:
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and less of an injury risk than Tua. It also doesn’t matter, either we like him enough to draft him or we don’t. The 2020 QBs have a lot to prove still, any one of them can regress or get hurt, please keep that in mind when doing these arbitrary rankings.


This time last year no one even knew who Haskins was. Basically same thing with Murray. Neither were considered top prospects by any stretch of the imagination. Your point about the currently discussed 2020 QBs possibly getting hurt or regressing is fine, but you're forgetting about the 2-3 other QBs who will rise up the boards between now and April 2020.
And I'm not saying that for any other reason besides the fact that  
Leg of Theismann : 3/20/2019 4:48 pm : link
Tua, Fromm, and Herbert are certainly not "Sure" things. But it is pretty rare for QBs who are consensus top 10 picks to 1 year later be knocked out of the first round. Injury can certainly cause that, but who's the last big-name QB who was consensus top 10 pick who got injured/regressed and fell out of the first round after another year of school? I'm seriously asking because there may be a few I just can't think of any/many.
RE: RE: Haskins is better than herbert, IMO  
UConn4523 : 3/20/2019 4:55 pm : link
In comment 14350126 Leg of Theismann said:
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In comment 14350060 UConn4523 said:


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and less of an injury risk than Tua. It also doesn’t matter, either we like him enough to draft him or we don’t. The 2020 QBs have a lot to prove still, any one of them can regress or get hurt, please keep that in mind when doing these arbitrary rankings.



This time last year no one even knew who Haskins was. Basically same thing with Murray. Neither were considered top prospects by any stretch of the imagination. Your point about the currently discussed 2020 QBs possibly getting hurt or regressing is fine, but you're forgetting about the 2-3 other QBs who will rise up the boards between now and April 2020.


I'm not forgetting about other prospects. I'm addressing this notion that Haskins' supporting cast is a red flag. If its a red flag for him then it should be for Tua and Fromm as well.
The Dude nails it.  
Red Dog : 3/20/2019 5:27 pm : link
I'm not sure if Haskins is the right guy for the GIANTS or not, but I am rooting for him to make it as an NFL QB.
Here is a Dwayne Haskins film analysis  
RobCrossRiver56 : 3/20/2019 5:41 pm : link
by Strong Opinion Sports, you decide..

Dwayne Haskins Film Analysis - ( New Window )
Haskins apparently, again impressed  
Dave on the UWS : 3/20/2019 6:02 pm : link
the Giants officials at dinner last night. Who knows at this point, but I imagine he will be in the conversation at 6.
Excellent Listen  
DavidinBMNY : 3/20/2019 6:15 pm : link
Good find. I listened to the one on Rosen as well.
Rosen Yr 1 - The silver lining - ( New Window )
RE: Davis Webb  
mfsd : 3/20/2019 6:15 pm : link
In comment 14349986 Leg of Theismann said:
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was pretty confident in his abilities too.

He said something last offseason about the fact that no one will ever outwork him and no one can spin it as well as he can.

He was cut shortly after that.


I’ve always thought there was a correlation between how often Webb was quoted in the papers and him getting dumped. The only time a backup QB who’s never started an NFL game should be speaking to the media is never
Eli review  
DavidinBMNY : 3/20/2019 7:09 pm : link
From same guy who did haskins
Giants letting Eli down... - ( New Window )
RE: Here is a Dwayne Haskins film analysis  
DonQuixote : 3/20/2019 7:17 pm : link
In comment 14350229 RobCrossRiver56 said:
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by Strong Opinion Sports, you decide.. Dwayne Haskins Film Analysis - ( New Window )


A reasonable take but this guy was a HS QB, now a college student who has neither college nor NFL playing or scouting expertise.
Thats true  
RobCrossRiver56 : 3/20/2019 7:38 pm : link
I thought his points were well made and since we might draft the guy, it was worth a listen
RE: Haskins is better than herbert, IMO  
mrvax : 3/20/2019 7:49 pm : link
In comment 14350060 UConn4523 said:
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and less of an injury risk than Tua. It also doesn’t matter, either we like him enough to draft him or we don’t. The 2020 QBs have a lot to prove still, any one of them can regress or get hurt, please keep that in mind when doing these arbitrary rankings.


The 2020 QBs may be out of reach for the Giants. There will be at least 3 teams that will want those QBs and pick ahead of the Giants. 2020 draft is a long way off.
RE: He has a big accurate arm and know his stuff  
mdc1 : 3/21/2019 9:38 am : link
In comment 14349964 Chip said:
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but only playing in 13 games with minimum pass pressure is a red flag. He should have stayed in college one more year.


Agree. Sometimes its the intangibles. Please point to a statement game against seriously good teams in which he kicked their asses. Not feeling it. Don;'t get me started on the level of competition in the B10.
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