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| “It was excellent,’’ Shurmur said. “We obviously have spent a lot of time evaluating him, and this is one piece of it. We got the chance to work with him on the board and take him to dinner, and he certainly is an accomplished and impressive young man.’’ There is evidence of Haskins’ ability from his one record-breaking year as a starting quarterback at Ohio State. Shurmur, as a former quarterbacks coach and offensive coordinator, likes to get a sense of things by being in the building. “Just watch him throw,’’ Shurmur said. “The important thing about Pro Days in general is you come to his school, you get to see how he interacts with his teammates, get to talk to the people that have worked with him.’’ |
He has a very quick release he reminds of Kurt Warner a little bit except I can't say that because Kurt is white so I will say Kyler Murray.
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Why was he never made to move or show some ability to do that? He might be fine until he is flushed from the pocket and they start to get after him. Because an Ol blows a block or receiver does not finish a rout and he panics because he cannot get away. Thats when the really bad things happen. A big statue with a big arm but rattle him and he is in trouble. A nightmare in our league. Snurmur is all BS he complemetns every QB he sees as it should be. Lets see what they do on draft day .
I thought he looked better physically this time vs the Combine. He even admitted he's cut weight since then, and admitted he wasn't in top shape.
Today didn't solve the issue that is a big question mark throughout the season - how will Haskins deal with an NFL environment where you have less time to read the defense and less time to throw.
Red flag though that a kid knowing that one of his biggest job interviews he wasnt in shape??? Love his ability... But that worries me.
I thought he looked better physically this time vs the Combine. He even admitted he's cut weight since then, and admitted he wasn't in top shape.
Today didn't solve the issue that is a big question mark throughout the season - how will Haskins deal with an NFL environment where you have less time to read the defense and less time to throw.
Red flag though that a kid knowing that one of his biggest job interviews he wasnt in shape??? Love his ability... But that worries me.
My guess is Team Haskins got some negative/constructive feedback after the Combine and DH smartly listened to it...
What? Haskins is the anti-RGIII.
The tone of that locker room will be totally different if we have Haskins in there. Imagine a year from now when Eli hangs it up, you have your 2nd year QB ready to go with your 3rd year phenom RB, that's setting up for a decent future if we can get those two in the same huddle.
Haskins over Rosen? That's a fifteen year mistake.
Dude, seriously? You're gonna pick ONE GAME where his whole team simply got outplayed by the opposing team and write off the dude's whole career? That was a road game against a big rival that was like Purdue's National Championship game basically, they were amped up and no great team is immune to having a bad game. Not to mention the OSU defense gave up 49 points which was not Haskins' fault. He still threw for 470 yards, 2 TDs, 1 INT, completed 67% of his passes, he far from shit the bed in that game.
I noticed you conveniently didn't mention the Michigan game where Haskins dropped 62 pts on a great defense, or PSU game where Haskins took a punch in the mouth and hung in there and delivered a 4th qtr comeback victory against one of the best D's in the country.
True, but some QB's and their surrounding will reveal more evidence. For example, Sonny Dyke's asinine RPO system nearly got Goff killed his senior year at Cal. He took some big hits. But some of the best throws I saw all year in 2015 were by Goff right before the hammer was dropped. It was very impressive.
Haskins has experienced NOTHING like that. So, to me, it makes it a layer harder to construe...
The prevailing opinion is that the Giants should be all-in on Haskins and will probably have to trade up to get him.
The prevailing opinion is that the Giants should be all-in on Haskins and will probably have to trade up to get him.
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Compare him to _insert_other_black_qb_name_
Right... amazing to me.
I would like to believe that isn't the mindset... But nobody says anything about guys like (WR) Renfro or Isabella going to the Pats time & time again... Let's ease up on the hypersensitivity folks,,, I am sure there is no malice behind comments.
First of all, they absolutely do make those comments about Pats WRs. And secondly, it's curious that you'd rush to the defense of an obvious troll.
That said - if you love the QB, you do what you have to do.
We did it to get Eli and once the smoke cleared and the Chargers were still without any trophies in the Rivers era, people realized that all that complaining about how we could have had Merriman as well as Rivers (I think people used to argue that we could have had the kicker, too... Kaeding?.. that was good) etc. meant nothing and that the trade was totally worth it.
We'd all make the Eli deal again if given the chance.
Well, most of us....
The prevailing opinion is that the Giants should be all-in on Haskins and will probably have to trade up to get him.
I think trading up to get him is an inevitably at this point, if we do really like him. Thankfully unless we are expecting competition from the Jags we shouldn't have to give up too much. A couple seconds or second first should suffice. And before people tell me its too much go look at what teams generally give up to move to get QBs. Even giving up the second first would be paying less than what teams generally give up.
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I've been surfing around the various sports media outlets today just to get a feel for what former personnel men and players are thinking.
The prevailing opinion is that the Giants should be all-in on Haskins and will probably have to trade up to get him.
I think trading up to get him is an inevitably at this point, if we do really like him. Thankfully unless we are expecting competition from the Jags we shouldn't have to give up too much. A couple seconds or second first should suffice. And before people tell me its too much go look at what teams generally give up to move to get QBs. Even giving up the second first would be paying less than what teams generally give up.
The question is where do you trade up to? The Raiders at 4 or the Bucs at 5?
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I really, really want Haskins -
Indeed.
Just change it to "I really, really DON'T want Haskins... " and we can pencil you right in!
I think you're more anti-Haskins than I am pro-Haskins, honestly.
So, you can't really call me out like this, buddy.
Against Washington, he faced no pressure through 3 quarters, even the announcers were saying he had all day.
At the 7:45 mark in this 9 minute highlight video, you will see once pressure comes he folds like a cheap suit.
He threw two balls which should have been intercepted, balls were being thrown behind, in the ground, he took sack after sack.
He is a pure pocket passer, who has little to no mobility. Without a perfect O line in front of him, combined with the Giants O line, this can be a fatal mistake.
here is the video, watch from the 7:45 mark when Washington begins to bring pressure. I've provided the link
Haskins 7:45 - ( New Window )
Just change it to "I really, really DON'T want Haskins... " and we can pencil you right in!
I think you're more anti-Haskins than I am pro-Haskins, honestly.
So, you can't really call me out like this, buddy.
The better way to characterize my view here is I'm really anti-Haskins at #6. Well, any QB.
This crop really bothers me because each has a hole in their game/profile that creates too much risk for a first round investment.
So when I start throwing Finley out there it's assuming the so called top three - Haskins, Murray, Lock - are off the board by the second round...
Against Washington, he faced no pressure through 3 quarters, even the announcers were saying he had all day.
At the 7:45 mark in this 9 minute highlight video, you will see once pressure comes he folds like a cheap suit.
He threw two balls which should have been intercepted, balls were being thrown behind, in the ground, he took sack after sack.
He is a pure pocket passer, who has little to no mobility. Without a perfect O line in front of him, combined with the Giants O line, this can be a fatal mistake.
here is the video, watch from the 7:45 mark when Washington begins to bring pressure. I've provided the link
Haskins 7:45 - ( New Window )
Not convinced from what I watched that he "folded" as you stated.
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Just change it to "I really, really DON'T want Haskins... " and we can pencil you right in!
I think you're more anti-Haskins than I am pro-Haskins, honestly.
So, you can't really call me out like this, buddy.
The better way to characterize my view here is I'm really anti-Haskins at #6. Well, any QB.
This crop really bothers me because each has a hole in their game/profile that creates too much risk for a first round investment.
So when I start throwing Finley out there it's assuming the so called top three - Haskins, Murray, Lock - are off the board by the second round...
Right, so you've conveniently set yourself up to pull for a scenario you know has zero chance of playing out (NYG drafting Ryan Finley or doing something like trading for the Bengals backup), and have now laid the groundwork to spend another year complaining that Jints Central didn't do what you wanted them to do, are still the 'ol boys club, and round and round we'll go! :)
We both know that's how this will go...
Against Washington, he faced no pressure through 3 quarters, even the announcers were saying he had all day.
At the 7:45 mark in this 9 minute highlight video, you will see once pressure comes he folds like a cheap suit.
He threw two balls which should have been intercepted, balls were being thrown behind, in the ground, he took sack after sack.
He is a pure pocket passer, who has little to no mobility. Without a perfect O line in front of him, combined with the Giants O line, this can be a fatal mistake.
here is the video, watch from the 7:45 mark when Washington begins to bring pressure. I've provided the link
Haskins 7:45 - ( New Window )
I guess you also looked at the coaches tape and deemed that this was NOT a coverage sack?
The prevailing opinion is that the Giants should be all-in on Haskins and will probably have to trade up to get him.
I honestly have no idea why it took until the guy’s Pro Day for this to become apparent. If they want Haskins, they will obviously have to move up, for two reasons: 1) another team is looking to jump them to get him; and 2) the Giants cannot risk the Raiders picking him at 4.
People fall in love with mock drafts and think, ok, we’ll get him at 6. Mock drafts are often done under the presumption that no trades are made. When you look at the last few years, almost all 1st round QBs were selected after trades up. The one exception was Mayfield, last year. We can’t sit at 6 and expect to get Haskins.
That said, if other personnel people think we should do x, DAG will do y. Maybe because he’s a contrarian. Or maybe because he thinks it’s 1968.
Seriously., close your eyes, and just think which makes more sense: Gettleman introducing Haskins as the pick or him introducing Jones? Now open them. Bet you don’t imagine it being Haskins.
From the standpoint of being surrounded by elite talent and having ideal conditions to throw, the comparison is very apt. Just let this draft process marinate and I guarantee you many on this Buckeye offense gets drafted, and drafted in high rounds.
Why is Haskins a better athlete? Leinert ran a 4.88 forty. Haskins ran 5.06. And he was a two sport star at Mater Dei in football and basketball.
Like last year these prospects are not perfect but there is no guarantee that we will be in position to grab the perfect prospect when they are available.
Can the QB avoid a rush with good footwork?
Can the QB make all the throws with Accuracy?
Is arm strength strong enough?
Does the QB make good decisions?
Can the QB read a defense?
Haskins seems like he fits the mold to these questions, kind of reminds me of Ben Roethlisberger is I had to pick a current NFL player.
I'm not a scout but I like him better than last years prospects I don't think I would mind this pick. If they pick him, the coaches and scouts think he has what it takes, I do not see a ton of things that would worry me. He is a safer pick if trying to avoid bust potential compared to Murray.
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Funny, Warren Moon is exactly the QB he reminds me of. I think it’s the release and arm strength.
He’s a pro style QB, so any RGIII comparisons are either ill informed or made for more nefarious reasons.
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Just change it to "I really, really DON'T want Haskins... " and we can pencil you right in!
I think you're more anti-Haskins than I am pro-Haskins, honestly.
So, you can't really call me out like this, buddy.
The better way to characterize my view here is I'm really anti-Haskins at #6. Well, any QB.
This crop really bothers me because each has a hole in their game/profile that creates too much risk for a first round investment.
So when I start throwing Finley out there it's assuming the so called top three - Haskins, Murray, Lock - are off the board by the second round...
The only two QBs I personally like is Murray and Jones. Jones proved that he could operate under constant duress and with WRs that had inconsistent hands and struggled to separate. I wouldn’t take Jones at #6 but I’d be ok with him at 17. I’d also be ok if we skipped QB all together.
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Just change it to "I really, really DON'T want Haskins... " and we can pencil you right in!
I think you're more anti-Haskins than I am pro-Haskins, honestly.
So, you can't really call me out like this, buddy.
The better way to characterize my view here is I'm really anti-Haskins at #6. Well, any QB.
This crop really bothers me because each has a hole in their game/profile that creates too much risk for a first round investment.
So when I start throwing Finley out there it's assuming the so called top three - Haskins, Murray, Lock - are off the board by the second round...
I’m not the least bit enamored with Haskins either. And don’t get me wrong, I love his story as a kid that grew up a Giants fan and I think it’d be cool and seen as a plus that he was. But I don’t like how slow everything is for him and how he has a really hard time operating under, and escaping, pressure.
The only two QBs I personally like is Murray and Jones. Jones proved that he could operate under constant duress and with WRs that had inconsistent hands and struggled to separate. I wouldn’t take Jones at #6 but I’d be ok with him at 17. I’d also be ok if we skipped QB all together.
What exactly did Jones prove? They got crushed by a great Clemson team. The following week they got hammered at home by a horrendous Wake Forest team. Jones didn’t prove a thing to me.
The Marino comparison is a good one as well. As they said on the broadcast, he’s an old style nfl QB, the kind we have seen have success in the league over the past 40 years. Don’t be shocked if Mr. Old School Dave Gettleman falls in love with that.
He’s also an ideal QB for the KC plan. He’s 21, not 22 or 23. Could benefit from a year of nfl weight training and conditioning. He honestly played in a system that did not always showcase his arm talent. My point is the kids got all the physical tools, some untapped potential, and has not hit his ceiling. Might I add he dreams of being a Giant. He wants to wear blue.
If Shurmur wants him I think Gettleman tries to get him. I still love the idea of an edge player in round one, so if there is anyway I can keep one of my first round picks I do it. The Giants have 12 picks. They aren’t bringing in 12 drafted players. Gettleman is going to make a trade somewhere.
I like Haskins, feel the "he has trouble under pressure" thing is absolute crap - there was another thread that disproves that theory (despite the two plays sxdxa says he found which is then disputed by another poster). His completion percentage under pressure is very good according to the chart provided in that thread.
I am not sure they need to move up to get him and I do not want to move up to get him. But if DG and PS think he is the right guy, ok. I'd much rather save picks and fix the defense and oline.
The being out of shape thing is a put off(if true), but that is easily cured. But he is a bit slow, definitely not a mobile QB in the Aaron Rodgers or even Drew Brees style of drop back QBs.
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Why was he never made to move or show some ability to do that? He might be fine until he is flushed from the pocket and they start to get after him. Because an Ol blows a block or receiver does not finish a rout and he panics because he cannot get away. Thats when the really bad things happen. A big statue with a big arm but rattle him and he is in trouble. A nightmare in our league. Snurmur is all BS he complemetns every QB he sees as it should be. Lets see what they do on draft day .
I thought he looked better physically this time vs the Combine. He even admitted he's cut weight since then, and admitted he wasn't in top shape.
Today didn't solve the issue that is a big question mark throughout the season - how will Haskins deal with an NFL environment where you have less time to read the defense and less time to throw.
Okay here is my big issue with him with comments he made today. You know you are going to the combine the biggest thing for your career and he comes in by his own admission a little heavy he has had 2 and a half months to be ready. This is not that important to him to be in shape? What happens when you give the big money. I am not questioning his ability but I am questioning his attitude.
as opposed to Kyler Murray's one record breaking year?
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""one record-breaking year as a starting quarterback""
as opposed to Kyler Murray's one record breaking year?
Not a fan of his either..
Incredibly lazy analysis, because what did Leinert in at the NFL level was atrocious study habits and lack of discipline. In other words partying and drugs and drinking.
There is zero evidence to this point that Haskins has any of these traits - just the opposite.
That's why the most important asset any player has is in his head and heart.
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""one record-breaking year as a starting quarterback""
as opposed to Kyler Murray's one record breaking year?
Not a fan of his either..
If you are saying you are worried he(they) only started one year at QB, then that is a legit concern.
The counter is that it was an extremely good year for such a green player who also showed improvement virtually each week. I doubt he was just lucky.
I'm on the fence with this. I'd still prefer to go ER/DL/OL first 3 picks.
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Daniel Jones over him in a heartbeat. Haskins = another RGIII.
You do realize the only thing they have in common is their black .... nothing about their style of play is the same
Goes along with the same lazy logic of not wanting Jones because Jones is at duke and Dave Brown went there.
Im not advocating for Jones. Simply pointing out both groups use the similar logic when comparing QBs from the past to the present
Bite your tongue.
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Haskins reminds me of Leinert. Great numbers while surrounded by great talent with some solid physical skills.
Incredibly lazy analysis, because what did Leinert in at the NFL level was atrocious study habits and lack of discipline. In other words partying and drugs and drinking.
There is zero evidence to this point that Haskins has any of these traits - just the opposite.
That's why the most important asset any player has is in his head and heart.
Interesting rebuttal. Where did I suggest personality and character similarities?
I was focusing exclusively on their college teams and their similar physical skills.
And I'm lazy...
Okay here is my big issue with him with comments he made today. You know you are going to the combine the biggest thing for your career and he comes in by his own admission a little heavy he has had 2 and a half months to be ready. This is not that important to him to be in shape? What happens when you give the big money. I am not questioning his ability but I am questioning his attitude.
I hear you. I don't think that's unfair.
However, give him and his team credit for correcting the issue - because they essentially admitted as much - and getting Haskins ready for today.