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| “It was excellent,’’ Shurmur said. “We obviously have spent a lot of time evaluating him, and this is one piece of it. We got the chance to work with him on the board and take him to dinner, and he certainly is an accomplished and impressive young man.’’ There is evidence of Haskins’ ability from his one record-breaking year as a starting quarterback at Ohio State. Shurmur, as a former quarterbacks coach and offensive coordinator, likes to get a sense of things by being in the building. “Just watch him throw,’’ Shurmur said. “The important thing about Pro Days in general is you come to his school, you get to see how he interacts with his teammates, get to talk to the people that have worked with him.’’ |
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Incredibly lazy analysis, because what did Leinert in at the NFL level was atrocious study habits and lack of discipline. In other words partying and drugs and drinking.
There is zero evidence to this point that Haskins has any of these traits - just the opposite.
That's why the most important asset any player has is in his head and heart.
Interesting rebuttal. Where did I suggest personality and character similarities?
I was focusing exclusively on their college teams and their similar physical skills.
And I'm lazy...
Well your lazy words were already refuted by, you know, an actual USC fan who seems to know a bit more about the bs physical comparison you make. So I thought I'd add in another little difference between the two players, as reported about Matt and as known to this point about Haskins.
The real point is you often like to trumpet opinions, with very little factual basis to back it up.
Yeah it's 2019, I should be used to that by now since I've spent a lifetime in fields where no nothing "critics" wield undue influence.
You are welcome to your opinion, five years from now we'll see if it was valid. I'm out.
And for what it’s worth, what makes any analysis and comparison in football so complicated is the difficulty to boil it down to pure science. So art - opinion - plays a big part. Here and even in NFL front offices.
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""one record-breaking year as a starting quarterback""
as opposed to Kyler Murray's one record breaking year?
Not a fan of his either..
If you are saying you are worried he(they) only started one year at QB, then that is a legit concern.
The counter is that it was an extremely good year for such a green player who also showed improvement virtually each week. I doubt he was just lucky.
I'm on the fence with this. I'd still prefer to go ER/DL/OL first 3 picks.
Well, I can understand Murray because of Mayfield but Haskins not being able to beat out J.T. Barrett is a red flag to me.
Bottom line you will need to use extra draft picks to get Murray which I don't want to and Haskins just doesn't have "It" IMO. i'd pass on both
Shurmur's coaching record is only 15-34. What's he done to earn an all-in?
Where as Purdue was absolutely a high pressure situation, on the road, the Boilermakers who didn't have half the talent of either Michigan or OSU, pummeled the latter into submission with nary a response from.
That should be setting off alarm bells about Haskins and the rest of his Buckeye teammates.
I wouldn’t say that. I was as high on Barkley as anyone last year and adamant that we take him from day 1. I never wavered once. And I’m almost equally entrenched in the 2020 QB strategy. I feel that’s where the best talent is and I feel they are eminently gettable.
But then again, I’ve got that “Chinese patience” thing going for me where was can wait thousands of years for our strategy to unfold.
Against Washington, he faced no pressure through 3 quarters, even the announcers were saying he had all day.
At the 7:45 mark in this 9 minute highlight video, you will see once pressure comes he folds like a cheap suit.
He threw two balls which should have been intercepted, balls were being thrown behind, in the ground, he took sack after sack.
He is a pure pocket passer, who has little to no mobility. Without a perfect O line in front of him, combined with the Giants O line, this can be a fatal mistake.
here is the video, watch from the 7:45 mark when Washington begins to bring pressure. I've provided the link
Haskins 7:45 - ( New Window )
I watched 1 minute of that and it just looks like what he will be like in the pro's. This is a mistake of monumental proportions...
He is slow, painfully slow, clock him with a calendar slow. Some of those throws were horrid and I am talking about the mechanics. Looks like he is pushing the ball.
I want absolutely no part of this guy.
mistake, mistake mistake.
He is the target, as he should be.
He is the target, as he should be.
If the Giants decide not to draft I’m pretty sure some team will jump the Giants and that will push a defensive player down to them which might not have been there without Murray and Haskins going on the top 5.
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Ohio State Coach Ryan Day (formerly their OC) worked directly with Pat Shurmur at the Eagles as their QB coach.
They gonna know this kid inside and out. If they pick him they will be thoroughly confident he can be our next QB.
Perhaps Im not remembering but I dont recall the talk being nearly as effusive for ANY of the QBs last year. All the praise seemed much more reserved.
The highest praise seemed to be about Rosens table manners Lol
Rosen never slurped his soup or called the server "Honey".. not once ;-P . Josh Allen, on the other hand, used a salad fork to eat his Chateaubriand.. Classless fuck
Lol this made me chuckle...
I heard he asked for A1 sauce for his steak and wore a napkin on his collar.
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In the coming days, Ohio State QB Dwayne Haskins is scheduled to work out for Raiders and Dolphins in Columbus, and then he’s also scheduled to visit the Redskins, Broncos and Giants, per league sources.
I like Rosen as well, but his confidence was clearly damaged by his year in Arizona.
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""one record-breaking year as a starting quarterback""
as opposed to Kyler Murray's one record breaking year?
Not a fan of his either..
You'd prefer a guy who played for four years and broke no records at all?
It's great if the stars align and a prospect with the talent and pedigree of Trevor Lawrence (or Andrew Luck, or Peyton Manning, etc.) are available at the same time that you're in position to draft them. Sometimes the composition of your roster, including age of incumbents, forces you to consider prospects that aren't completely devoid of concerns. That's true at every position, but certainly more high profile when you're looking at QBs.
Would most people feel more comfortable if Haskins went back to school for another year and duplicated his performance? Of course. But do you genuinely believe that it's unlikely that he would? Because unless you honestly think that his 2018 season was a fluke, you're holding out on a concern that is far less significant (IMO) than one that might be related to the kid's actual talent level and potential.
We've been spoiled as Giants fans for the past 15 years. Chances are, whoever Eli's successor ends up being, it will require a leap of faith by the fans, who are likely to nitpick every prospect because that's what happens when you haven't needed to worry about the position in a decade and a half.
Bottom line you will need to use extra draft picks to get Murray which I don't want to and Haskins just doesn't have "It" IMO. i'd pass on both
The fact that Haskins, as a freshman, couldn't beat out a senior who was a returning starter (who had started in 2014, part of 2015, and all of 2016) and was also the team's 2nd leading rusher in each of those three years prior in an offense in which his head coach has historically favored QBs who can run - that's your big red flag?
Look, you don't like Haskins. You're not sold that he's the guy for the Giants. Those are both fine - you're absolutely entitled to your opinion, and I don't think most people would try to claim that Haskins is an airtight prospect. But please at least try to apply a little bit of context to your argument about what is supposedly a red flag for you.
Once upon a time, Aaron Rodgers couldn't beat out Kyle Boller, either.
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Well, I can understand Murray because of Mayfield but Haskins not being able to beat out J.T. Barrett is a red flag to me.
Bottom line you will need to use extra draft picks to get Murray which I don't want to and Haskins just doesn't have "It" IMO. i'd pass on both
The fact that Haskins, as a freshman, couldn't beat out a senior who was a returning starter (who had started in 2014, part of 2015, and all of 2016) and was also the team's 2nd leading rusher in each of those three years prior in an offense in which his head coach has historically favored QBs who can run - that's your big red flag?
Look, you don't like Haskins. You're not sold that he's the guy for the Giants. Those are both fine - you're absolutely entitled to your opinion, and I don't think most people would try to claim that Haskins is an airtight prospect. But please at least try to apply a little bit of context to your argument about what is supposedly a red flag for you.
Once upon a time, Aaron Rodgers couldn't beat out Kyle Boller, either.
Kyle Boller wasn't there when Aaron Rodgers was there. Reggie Robertson started games 1 and 2 of Aaron Rodgers first season, but Rodgers played in both as he eased in and became the full time starter in game 3.
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Well, I can understand Murray because of Mayfield but Haskins not being able to beat out J.T. Barrett is a red flag to me.
Bottom line you will need to use extra draft picks to get Murray which I don't want to and Haskins just doesn't have "It" IMO. i'd pass on both
The fact that Haskins, as a freshman, couldn't beat out a senior who was a returning starter (who had started in 2014, part of 2015, and all of 2016) and was also the team's 2nd leading rusher in each of those three years prior in an offense in which his head coach has historically favored QBs who can run - that's your big red flag?
Look, you don't like Haskins. You're not sold that he's the guy for the Giants. Those are both fine - you're absolutely entitled to your opinion, and I don't think most people would try to claim that Haskins is an airtight prospect. But please at least try to apply a little bit of context to your argument about what is supposedly a red flag for you.
Once upon a time, Aaron Rodgers couldn't beat out Kyle Boller, either.
Kyle Boller wasn't there when Aaron Rodgers was there. Reggie Robertson started games 1 and 2 of Aaron Rodgers first season, but Rodgers played in both as he eased in and became the full time starter in game 3.
I stand corrected - I had mistakenly assumed that Rodgers spent his freshman year caddying for Boller. In any case, I still don't think it's a massive indictment of Haskins that he couldn't beat out an incumbent senior three-year starter when he was just a freshman.
Mitch Trubisky couldn't beat out Marquise Williams, either.
Who is Marquise Williams?
Exactly.
Here's what matters...
Dwayne Haskins is a legitimate NFL QB prospect. JT Barrett was not/is not/never will be. He's buried on the Saints depth chart somewhere, and given their decision to hang onto Teddy, I don't think they see him being anything more than a clipboard holder.
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Well, I can understand Murray because of Mayfield but Haskins not being able to beat out J.T. Barrett is a red flag to me.
Bottom line you will need to use extra draft picks to get Murray which I don't want to and Haskins just doesn't have "It" IMO. i'd pass on both
The fact that Haskins, as a freshman, couldn't beat out a senior who was a returning starter (who had started in 2014, part of 2015, and all of 2016) and was also the team's 2nd leading rusher in each of those three years prior in an offense in which his head coach has historically favored QBs who can run - that's your big red flag?
Look, you don't like Haskins. You're not sold that he's the guy for the Giants. Those are both fine - you're absolutely entitled to your opinion, and I don't think most people would try to claim that Haskins is an airtight prospect. But please at least try to apply a little bit of context to your argument about what is supposedly a red flag for you.
Once upon a time, Aaron Rodgers couldn't beat out Kyle Boller, either.
Kyle Boller wasn't there when Aaron Rodgers was there. Reggie Robertson started games 1 and 2 of Aaron Rodgers first season, but Rodgers played in both as he eased in and became the full time starter in game 3.
I stand corrected - I had mistakenly assumed that Rodgers spent his freshman year caddying for Boller. In any case, I still don't think it's a massive indictment of Haskins that he couldn't beat out an incumbent senior three-year starter when he was just a freshman.
Not a worry just a Cal fan and had season tickets and went to those Aaron Rodgers games... man the good days of college football for me... so long ago. To me look at Kurt Warner... didn't start until his SR year and won like the low league player of the year. He didn't start and couldn't beat out much lesser talent, but we good when he played and then ended up in the NFL and played great. That is who Haskins reminds me of if I had to pick someone.
Mitch Trubisky couldn't beat out Marquise Williams, either.
Who is Marquise Williams?
Exactly.
Here's what matters...
Dwayne Haskins is a legitimate NFL QB prospect. JT Barrett was not/is not/never will be. He's buried on the Saints depth chart somewhere, and given their decision to hang onto Teddy, I don't think they see him being anything more than a clipboard holder.
Some people are designed for the college football game and that doesn't always translate to the NFL. JT Barrett is a perfect example of this. So is Tim Tebow for example. Who do you think could of beat out Tim Tebow in college football? Tom Brady didn't start until his JR year. He couldn't beat out Scott Dreisbach or Brian Griese.
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Well, I can understand Murray because of Mayfield but Haskins not being able to beat out J.T. Barrett is a red flag to me.
Bottom line you will need to use extra draft picks to get Murray which I don't want to and Haskins just doesn't have "It" IMO. i'd pass on both
The fact that Haskins, as a freshman, couldn't beat out a senior who was a returning starter (who had started in 2014, part of 2015, and all of 2016) and was also the team's 2nd leading rusher in each of those three years prior in an offense in which his head coach has historically favored QBs who can run - that's your big red flag?
Look, you don't like Haskins. You're not sold that he's the guy for the Giants. Those are both fine - you're absolutely entitled to your opinion, and I don't think most people would try to claim that Haskins is an airtight prospect. But please at least try to apply a little bit of context to your argument about what is supposedly a red flag for you.
Once upon a time, Aaron Rodgers couldn't beat out Kyle Boller, either.
LOL..You're wrong, Rodgers transferred in 2003 to Cal and started the 5th game of the season replacing BollerCal ended up 7-3 that season.
But please if you're going to use a comparison apply a little bit of fact to it
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I still don't understand the JT Barrett thing or why it matters.
Mitch Trubisky couldn't beat out Marquise Williams, either.
Who is Marquise Williams?
Exactly.
Here's what matters...
Dwayne Haskins is a legitimate NFL QB prospect. JT Barrett was not/is not/never will be. He's buried on the Saints depth chart somewhere, and given their decision to hang onto Teddy, I don't think they see him being anything more than a clipboard holder.
Some people are designed for the college football game and that doesn't always translate to the NFL. JT Barrett is a perfect example of this. So is Tim Tebow for example. Who do you think could of beat out Tim Tebow in college football? Tom Brady didn't start until his JR year. He couldn't beat out Scott Dreisbach or Brian Griese.
Tebow accomplished a helluva lot more than Barrett did
I'd a great arm and very accurate. Don't see him ruining the team that drafts him.
When pressured, Haskins consistently throws behind the receivers, both in the flat and over the middle.
Though he may be "slow a foot" he seemed mobile enough on occasions to move around or scramble, though again, if he throws, the tendency is to throw behind receivers.
As for my view on Haskin, I am indifferent. I would prefer an edge rusher at #6. There are just too many good ones in this draft. BPA.
When pressured, Haskins consistently throws behind the receivers, both in the flat and over the middle.
Though he may be "slow a foot" he seemed mobile enough on occasions to move around or scramble, though again, if he throws, the tendency is to throw behind receivers.
I am with you.
As for my view on Haskin, I am indifferent. I would prefer an edge rusher at #6. There are just too many good ones in this draft. BPA.
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he’s the future, I’m all in as a fan..That said, lots of coachspeak in here, imv
Shurmur's coaching record is only 15-34. What's he done to earn an all-in?
Because he wasn't going to be a first round top 10 QB. You really think Brady would have went back for his SR year if he was a top 10 QB.
Also the point being that what makes a good College QB Tim Tebow or JT Barrett doesn't mean they will be good NFL QBs. I don't know if you can name any top NFL QB that would have replaced Tim Tebow in College?
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I still don't understand the JT Barrett thing or why it matters.
Mitch Trubisky couldn't beat out Marquise Williams, either.
Who is Marquise Williams?
Exactly.
Here's what matters...
Dwayne Haskins is a legitimate NFL QB prospect. JT Barrett was not/is not/never will be. He's buried on the Saints depth chart somewhere, and given their decision to hang onto Teddy, I don't think they see him being anything more than a clipboard holder.
Some people are designed for the college football game and that doesn't always translate to the NFL. JT Barrett is a perfect example of this. So is Tim Tebow for example. Who do you think could of beat out Tim Tebow in college football? Tom Brady didn't start until his JR year. He couldn't beat out Scott Dreisbach or Brian Griese.
Tebow accomplished a helluva lot more than Barrett did
I'm not sure by what basis you can say Tebow accomplished more than Barrett (let alone "a helluva lot more") other than winning the Heisman, which is subjective anyway.
Barrett threw for more yards and TDs, rushed for more yards (but fewer TDs), and accounted for more total yards (12,697 to 12,232) and TDs (147 to 145) than Tebow over the course of their respective careers. And while Tebow was behind Chris Leak in his freshman year (WHY COULDN'T HE BEAT OUT CHRIS LEAK???), Barrett had Cardale Jones taking playing time from him in his sophomore season.
So, aside from you just digging your heels in on what you feel is a fatal flaw for Haskins, can you please tell us what Tebow did that represents accomplishing "a helluva lot more than Barrett"? I think you probably just don't realize how good of a college QB JT Barrett was.
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Because he wasn't going to be a first round top 10 QB. You really think Brady would have went back for his SR year if he was a top 10 QB.
Also the point being that what makes a good College QB Tim Tebow or JT Barrett doesn't mean they will be good NFL QBs. I don't know if you can name any top NFL QB that would have replaced Tim Tebow in College?
That's exactly the point, one year of starting is not enough to judge anyone and should be a cause of concern IMO.
Regarding Tebow, one of the biggest reasons why he was good in COllege was the system they had running in Florida built specifically to take advantage of his height, strength, and running ability. That Offense was built around Tebow and it was unique to Florida. Tebow also stayed his senior year because he needed to get his draft stock up. Still was picked way too high
With that said he still accomplished a heck of a lot more than Barrett ever will in the NFL
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I still don't understand the JT Barrett thing or why it matters.
Mitch Trubisky couldn't beat out Marquise Williams, either.
Who is Marquise Williams?
Exactly.
Here's what matters...
Dwayne Haskins is a legitimate NFL QB prospect. JT Barrett was not/is not/never will be. He's buried on the Saints depth chart somewhere, and given their decision to hang onto Teddy, I don't think they see him being anything more than a clipboard holder.
Some people are designed for the college football game and that doesn't always translate to the NFL. JT Barrett is a perfect example of this. So is Tim Tebow for example. Who do you think could of beat out Tim Tebow in college football? Tom Brady didn't start until his JR year. He couldn't beat out Scott Dreisbach or Brian Griese.
Tebow accomplished a helluva lot more than Barrett did
I'm not sure by what basis you can say Tebow accomplished more than Barrett (let alone "a helluva lot more") other than winning the Heisman, which is subjective anyway.
Barrett threw for more yards and TDs, rushed for more yards (but fewer TDs), and accounted for more total yards (12,697 to 12,232) and TDs (147 to 145) than Tebow over the course of their respective careers. And while Tebow was behind Chris Leak in his freshman year (WHY COULDN'T HE BEAT OUT CHRIS LEAK???), Barrett had Cardale Jones taking playing time from him in his sophomore season.
So, aside from you just digging your heels in on what you feel is a fatal flaw for Haskins, can you please tell us what Tebow did that represents accomplishing "a helluva lot more than Barrett"? I think you probably just don't realize how good of a college QB JT Barrett was.
Tebow won a playoff game in the NFL, Barrett is on a Practice squad..lol