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What is your DREAM scenario for Round 1?

Joey in VA : 3/20/2019 8:08 pm
No holds barred, you can orchestrate a trade up to 1, drop down and get more, blah blah blah. Bottom line, your right now (and it will change 100 times in 30 days) absolute dream picks at 6 and 17. The only thing I ask is to be reasonable with where guys are slated to go and I can't believe I'm saying it, just contribute, let's keep it clean and civil and share some grey matter.

Right now, my dream scenario is

Round 1, Pick 6 - QB Dwayne Haskins, OSU.

Round 1, Pick 17 - WR D.K. Metcalf, Miss St.

OR

Round 1, Pick 17 - TE T.J. Hockenson, Iowa

Chances are Metcalf is long gone by 17 but if there is any way he's there I nab him immediately. He's a matchup problem just with his size and he has elite speed to match it. You add a 6-3 lightning bolt who can block down field to an offense with Evan Engram and Saquon Barkley and a much improved OL from two years ago and you have the pieces in place.

Hockenson would be an immediate starter, updgrade our egde blocking in the run and the pass game and he's a talented down field pass catcher and a lot of times we played best out of 12 personnel and I think Shurmur is going to use a lot of that.

Haskins is the one today, who I want at 6 after his pro day. He looked much much quicker up close footwork wise and his arm talent speaks for itself. I have questions as do others on his experience and how easy he had it at OSU but we're talking prototype size, arm talent, bright kid with a calm demeanor who seems to just get it.

So you'd have finally a solid OL (yes my blind faith in DG means I'm assuming he fixes RT by September), a superstar do it all RB who teams have to box in, a TE/Y in Engram who can absolutely fly and a big strong armed QB with smarts and intangibles. And then a matchup nightmare in Metcalf or a solid reliable two way TE in Hockenson. And flame on!
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For a more realistic view...  
Dan in the Springs : 3/20/2019 9:31 pm : link
through pick 17:

1 AZ - Murray
2 SF- Bosa
3 NYJ - Williams
4 OAK - Allen
5 TB - White
6 NYG- Haskins
7 JAX - Gary
8 DET - Sweat
9 BUF - J Taylor
10 DEN - Lock
11 CIN - Metcalf
12 GB - Hockenson
13 MIA - Oliver
14 ATL - Ferrell
15 WAS - Burns
16 CAR - Murphy
17 NYG - Dillard

Have to hope for defense at #37 and beyond.
Reach for the stars scenario?  
SchindlersFist : 3/20/2019 9:35 pm : link
-Trade 2nd Round pick to AZ for Rosen
-Trade #6 to Denver for #10 and #41
-Oliver at #10
-Cody Ford at #17
...  
jayg5 : 3/20/2019 9:36 pm : link
6. Oliver
17. Jonah Williams
6. Josh Allen & 17. Christian Wilkins  
Eric on Li : 3/20/2019 9:42 pm : link
and perhaps moving up in the back end of the 1st for Daniel Jones.
At #6: Williams, Allen, Gary in that order  
Bill L : 3/20/2019 9:42 pm : link
At #17: Bush, Simmons, Bradbury in that order
2nd round: Dillard, Risner, best available OT in that order
3rd: best available LB, WR, TE in that order
Rest of the draft: rotate the third round positions but keep going, except in round 4 or 5 I will pick Stidham or the big QB (forgot his name)
Consolidate at least 4 picks for best 2020 pick.
Oops. Should be rotate best available  
Bill L : 3/20/2019 9:43 pm : link
LB, CB, WR, TE
Allen and J Williams  
ArlingtonMike : 3/20/2019 9:44 pm : link
Hockenson a very close plan B
RE: Realistically  
Stufftherun : 3/20/2019 9:49 pm : link
In comment 14350464 Anakim said:
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Assuming Quinnen, Bosa and Allen are all gone, I'd take Devin White at 6.

With 17, depending on who is available, I honestly wouldn't mind trading it and collecting a first rounder next year, plus more. Accrue enough assets to be able to go QB next year or perhaps, Trevor Lawrence in 2021.


If we kept it, Brian Burns if he was there. He's my sixth overall prospect, but I don't see many mocks having him go in the top-10.


Regarding Burns, perhaps these 3 bullet points will answer your question:

- Lacks functional play strength
- Lacks necessary dog for consistent combat at point of attack
- Gives away his position when setting edge

Iím with quite a few on the dream 1st round which is as follows:

# 6 QWill/ D.White
#17 Hock / Ford
Can I take murray at 6?  
djm : 3/20/2019 10:05 pm : link
If so, murray at 6. One of the front seven guys at 17. Gimme a LB there.

Hmm  
Sammo85 : 3/20/2019 10:15 pm : link
Dream -

6- DL - Quinnen Williams
17- Edge - Clelin Ferrell

Expecting -

6- DL - Rashan Gary
17- OL - Cody Ford
Dream Draft...  
Jerry K : 3/20/2019 10:20 pm : link
#6 Quinnen Williams, #17 Cody Ford, #37 N'Keal Harry.

Not quite a dream: #6 Josh Allen, #17 Drew Lock, #37 Garrett Bradbury.
6. Josh Allen  
Pascal4554 : 3/20/2019 10:35 pm : link
I was drooling yesterday watching Josh Allen highlights. Not sure if it is the level of competition he was facing, but his closing speed...my god...

17. Whatever offensive tackle is rated highest on Giants draft board, assuming the value makes sense at this spot

Joey, since you like Haskins Iím starting to get excited about him. If he is the Giants guy and is the pick at 6 Iím fine with it. Otherwise I want to see us build in the trenches.
Haskins at 6.  
Angus : 3/20/2019 10:35 pm : link
Jonah Williams at 17.
RE: Josh Allen  
Vanzetti : 3/20/2019 10:38 pm : link
In comment 14350463 Reb8thVA said:
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And Christian Wilkins


Yup. Thatís exactly what I was going to say

Could happen if. Somebody trades up for Haskins
I'm a little skeptical  
santacruzom : 3/20/2019 10:43 pm : link
of whether Haskins will have a career worthy of a the 6th overall pick, but I really like what I've seen of Hockenson and I think he could be tremendously useful on our team.
My dream draft rd 1 and 2  
tyrik13 : 3/20/2019 10:44 pm : link
#6 - Devin White
#17 - Devin Bush
#37 - Kíneal Harry
6. Haskins  
yatqb : 3/20/2019 11:05 pm : link
17, BDPA: Wilkins, Ferrell, White. I'd be happy with any of them.
he drafts White at 6  
Platos : 3/20/2019 11:30 pm : link
and a hog mollie at 17 and then in the presser when everyone blasts him for not taking Haskins he tells everyone to suck his shmuck(or some other yiddish word)
What the Rams & Philly did ...  
Manny in CA : 3/20/2019 11:33 pm : link

Set the table, THEN pick a good young QB, next year .

This year - Trade down to #10, pick up OT Jonah Williams, Alabama (via trade with Denver)

Use the proceeds to trade up from #17 to #12 (Green Bay) - TJ Hockenson (kick-ass dude, reminiscent of Jeremy Shockey)

Fix the defense with the 10+ picks left.

RE: What the Rams & Philly did ...  
montanagiant : 3/20/2019 11:42 pm : link
In comment 14350691 Manny in CA said:
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Set the table, THEN pick a good young QB, next year .

This year - Trade down to #10, pick up OT Jonah Williams, Alabama (via trade with Denver)

Use the proceeds to trade up from #17 to #12 (Green Bay) - TJ Hockenson (kick-ass dude, reminiscent of Jeremy Shockey)

Fix the defense with the 10+ picks left.

Yup..I agree!
Best ER on board  
section125 : 3/21/2019 12:11 am : link
at #6.
Best OT/LB/ER at #17
Best OL(C, OG/OT), CB at #37

Build the defense and fix the Oline 1st!

Trade #95 and whatever it takes for Rosen...
Dream scenario  
RAIN : 3/21/2019 12:11 am : link
Josh Allen at #6 and Devin White at #17.

Realistic Scenario is Devon White @ #6 and Jaylon Ferguson @ #17. We address Ol at #37 and trade up for a corner.
#6 QB Haskins  
Torrag : 3/21/2019 12:34 am : link
#17 LB Devin Bush
#37 RT Dalton Risner
#95 CB Kris Boyd
#108 ER Jalen Jelks
#133 S Darnell Savage
#142 WR Darius Slayton
#143 DL Kingsley Keke
#171 DL Marquis Copeland
#180 LB Landis Durham
My dream first 3  
GoDeep13 : 3/21/2019 12:42 am : link
6. Josh Allen EDGE
17. Jawaan Taylor OT
37. Jeffrey Simmons DT
as with last year  
Beer Man : 3/21/2019 3:34 am : link
there are a number of variations that I would be happy with
RE: #6 QB Haskins  
1st and 10 : 3/21/2019 3:42 am : link
In comment 14350718 Torrag said:
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#17 LB Devin Bush
#37 RT Dalton Risner
#95 CB Kris Boyd
#108 ER Jalen Jelks
#133 S Darnell Savage
#142 WR Darius Slayton
#143 DL Kingsley Keke
#171 DL Marquis Copeland
#180 LB Landis Durham


I second this draft, don't know much about the bottom 3, but I love the one's above.
...  
90.Cal : 3/21/2019 5:40 am : link
6. Kyler Murray/ Nick Bosa/ Quinnen Williams
17. Devin White/ Greedy Williams/Jawaan Taylor
Ok, Crazy dream draft  
KingBlue : 3/21/2019 6:47 am : link
Trade 17, 4th and a 2020 3rd to Jets for #3:

3rd - Q. Williams
6th - Duane Haskins
37th - Dalton Risner
Dream Scenario  
SGMen : 3/21/2019 7:03 am : link
Giants trade DOWN when QB D. Haskins is there at #6 with Denver, sending the #6 and a 4th for Denver's #10 and #1 next year, or something close to that. The key is two #1's and hope Haskins starts for Denver and struggles as a rookie, so Denver has losses and a poor record.

#10 RT J. Williams (starts day one)
#17 DL - best of a deep group
Rd2 OL - top interior OL, OC, that upgrades Hilapio / Pulley
Rd3 Defense, WR
Rd4 - 7 We have so many holes I just hope we hit on these picks with guys that can actually play more than just special teams.

Sorry, I'm not sold enough on Haskins NOT to take a risk in a trade down.

Realistically, would taking RT J. Williams at #6 be wrong IF you believe he can start at RT as a rookie and potentially LT for Solder? Some say he'll need an off-season in the weight room to add 5 to 10 pounds of muscle, but his technique is so solid that I'm not sure if adding muscle will change his game too too much.

I love J. Allen, Williams, Bosa, D. White, J. Williams - all of them at #6 are worthy.
RE: What the Rams & Philly did ...  
Diver_Down : 3/21/2019 7:07 am : link
In comment 14350691 Manny in CA said:
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Set the table, THEN pick a good young QB, next year .

This year - Trade down to #10, pick up OT Jonah Williams, Alabama (via trade with Denver)

Use the proceeds to trade up from #17 to #12 (Green Bay) - TJ Hockenson (kick-ass dude, reminiscent of Jeremy Shockey)

Fix the defense with the 10+ picks left.


Oh, Manny being Manny. Wait. I can't believe I'm saying this, but this is a salient scenario.
Joey: one thing Haskins can do that Eli can't is the halfback option  
idinkido : 3/21/2019 7:43 am : link
pass. Haskins is also IMO the better short passer. What is impressive is Haskins' demeanor and intelligence. He sees the field, something a lot of young QBs have trouble doing. Like most rookie QBs he has faults he needs to work on, and with a year behind Eli, he will have the time to work on them, as well as, learn the pro game. If the Giants don't get off to a good start, I think it's possible he may be a mid-season replacement of Eli.
I am not a college football guy  
pjcas18 : 3/21/2019 7:51 am : link
so I'm asking for opinion.

I have read what I believe is a contradictory evaluation (by many) about Hockenson.

A: I read he's a complete 2-way TE
B: I read he's a comp to Travis Kelce

Which is it?

Kelce is not a good blocker from what I have read.

so, if Hockenson is another receiving TE, even if he's an upgrade on Engram, why bother?

Or is what I read wrong, and Hockenson is more in the Gronk/Gonzalez mode of a true 2-way TE?

Regardless, I know history shouldn't dictate future but 2 1st round picks on TE's in 3 years is a terrible allocation of your most valuable resources.

My dream scenario would be:

#6 Allen or Sweat are there when the Giants pick
#17 DK Metcalf

my dream "scenario" in round 1 assumes though that the Cards pick Kyler Murray #1 and then the Giants trade a 3rd and Janoris Jenkins to the Cards for Rosen.


Murray and Haskins  
JKBlue : 3/21/2019 8:00 am : link
get gobbled up before us. Then have either Bosa, Williams or Allen fall to us for #6.
At #17 Jaawan Taylor.
#37 A.J. Brown.

If Rosen becomes available, we trade our 3rd this year and what ever else it takes to get him.


So we end up with a DL, OT, WR and QB
Allen with #6 pick  
Jimmy Googs : 3/21/2019 8:07 am : link
trade the #17 pick for an extra 2nd rounder this year and 1st rounder next year.

Use both #1s next year to move up and get top QB...
I'm with Joey on Haskins  
X : 3/21/2019 8:36 am : link
#6 Haskins
#17 Taylor if we don't sign Remmers and then best DL, LB or CB
RE: Allen with #6 pick  
Bill L : 3/21/2019 8:46 am : link
In comment 14350816 Jimmy Googs said:
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trade the #17 pick for an extra 2nd rounder this year and 1st rounder next year.

Use both #1s next year to move up and get top QB...


I think that this is the best post you've ever had.
PJ Re: Hockenson/Engram  
Diver_Down : 3/21/2019 9:07 am : link
If you can break down the two aspects of a TE (blocking/receiving) and assign a separate grade (0-100) for each skill, you can deduce whether a player is a "complete" TE.

Let's use Gronk as the ceiling. Excellent and willing in line blocker, excellent receiving, mismatch against anyone in the secondary, split out wide, etc. There is no dispute in that he is a "complete" TE. Blocking - 90; Receiving - 90. (I just can't assign a 100 as no one is perfect)

Then for arguments sake, let's use Engram as a receiving TE. Despite being willing to execute a block as called for on an individual play, he is awful. No amount of weight room/coaching is going to transform him into an inline blocking TE. He is a very good (not great) receiving TE. He still has too many drops that is likely attributed to concentration, but that can be overcome (if the ball is hitting your hands, you have to catch it). Blocking - 25; Receiving - 70;

Now, you brought up Kelce. He is an excellent receiving TE. I don't think anyone will question that aspect, but his blocking is very good. Blocking - 70; Receiving - 85;

Hockenson is a complete TE. He will improve but to make a Gronk comparison is unfair. Blocking - 70; Receiving - 70;

Hockenson fits into the team philosophy that DG wants. If anything, Engram doesn't fit. He has value, and we could use his receiving talent especially with OBJ gone and Shep not likely to remain next year. But if an opportunity presents itself to trade Engram, I wouldn't be shocked. Now, Hockenson might not be available at #17, but if he is, it would be a great value and allow DG's vision of being a power run-first offense come to fruition.
RE: PJ Re: Hockenson/Engram  
pjcas18 : 3/21/2019 9:28 am : link
In comment 14350903 Diver_Down said:
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If you can break down the two aspects of a TE (blocking/receiving) and assign a separate grade (0-100) for each skill, you can deduce whether a player is a "complete" TE.

Let's use Gronk as the ceiling. Excellent and willing in line blocker, excellent receiving, mismatch against anyone in the secondary, split out wide, etc. There is no dispute in that he is a "complete" TE. Blocking - 90; Receiving - 90. (I just can't assign a 100 as no one is perfect)

Then for arguments sake, let's use Engram as a receiving TE. Despite being willing to execute a block as called for on an individual play, he is awful. No amount of weight room/coaching is going to transform him into an inline blocking TE. He is a very good (not great) receiving TE. He still has too many drops that is likely attributed to concentration, but that can be overcome (if the ball is hitting your hands, you have to catch it). Blocking - 25; Receiving - 70;

Now, you brought up Kelce. He is an excellent receiving TE. I don't think anyone will question that aspect, but his blocking is very good. Blocking - 70; Receiving - 85;

Hockenson is a complete TE. He will improve but to make a Gronk comparison is unfair. Blocking - 70; Receiving - 70;

Hockenson fits into the team philosophy that DG wants. If anything, Engram doesn't fit. He has value, and we could use his receiving talent especially with OBJ gone and Shep not likely to remain next year. But if an opportunity presents itself to trade Engram, I wouldn't be shocked. Now, Hockenson might not be available at #17, but if he is, it would be a great value and allow DG's vision of being a power run-first offense come to fruition.


Thanks Diver. I didn't realize Kelce was that good a blocker, Belichick was asked once last year to compare Kelce and Gronk and he made it sound like there was a bigger blocking gap.

If it works out that way and the Giants get Hockenson the Giants should look to use the two TE's like the Pats used Gronk and Hernandez. Hernandez rarely, if ever, lined up as an inline blocker, and the Pats used him almost purely as a receiving option (like Giants fans want to do with Engram).

RE: RE: Allen with #6 pick  
Jimmy Googs : 3/21/2019 10:03 am : link
In comment 14350872 Bill L said:
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In comment 14350816 Jimmy Googs said:


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trade the #17 pick for an extra 2nd rounder this year and 1st rounder next year.

Use both #1s next year to move up and get top QB...



I think that this is the best post you've ever had.


thanks...its tough to choose from but you could be right.
RE: RE: PJ Re: Hockenson/Engram  
Diver_Down : 3/21/2019 10:05 am : link
In comment 14350937 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 14350903 Diver_Down said:


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If you can break down the two aspects of a TE (blocking/receiving) and assign a separate grade (0-100) for each skill, you can deduce whether a player is a "complete" TE.

Let's use Gronk as the ceiling. Excellent and willing in line blocker, excellent receiving, mismatch against anyone in the secondary, split out wide, etc. There is no dispute in that he is a "complete" TE. Blocking - 90; Receiving - 90. (I just can't assign a 100 as no one is perfect)

Then for arguments sake, let's use Engram as a receiving TE. Despite being willing to execute a block as called for on an individual play, he is awful. No amount of weight room/coaching is going to transform him into an inline blocking TE. He is a very good (not great) receiving TE. He still has too many drops that is likely attributed to concentration, but that can be overcome (if the ball is hitting your hands, you have to catch it). Blocking - 25; Receiving - 70;

Now, you brought up Kelce. He is an excellent receiving TE. I don't think anyone will question that aspect, but his blocking is very good. Blocking - 70; Receiving - 85;

Hockenson is a complete TE. He will improve but to make a Gronk comparison is unfair. Blocking - 70; Receiving - 70;

Hockenson fits into the team philosophy that DG wants. If anything, Engram doesn't fit. He has value, and we could use his receiving talent especially with OBJ gone and Shep not likely to remain next year. But if an opportunity presents itself to trade Engram, I wouldn't be shocked. Now, Hockenson might not be available at #17, but if he is, it would be a great value and allow DG's vision of being a power run-first offense come to fruition.



Thanks Diver. I didn't realize Kelce was that good a blocker, Belichick was asked once last year to compare Kelce and Gronk and he made it sound like there was a bigger blocking gap.

If it works out that way and the Giants get Hockenson the Giants should look to use the two TE's like the Pats used Gronk and Hernandez. Hernandez rarely, if ever, lined up as an inline blocker, and the Pats used him almost purely as a receiving option (like Giants fans want to do with Engram).


My grades are bit biased. Gronk is very good, but I can't assign a 100 to anyone. That implies perfection which should be unattainable. While Gronk's receiving numbers were as high this year, he is flat out sealing off defenders with his blocking. I really think he is as close to perfection sans injuries as there is when it comes to "complete" TEs. Perhaps, the 90 grades are a bit low. Conversely, when I give a a 25 to Engram, it is based on his willingness. He could easily do an Ole and make business decisions when it comes to blocking, but he tries that accounts for something in my book. As the grades pertain to Hock, my goal was to show that he is very even with both aspects of his game. His receiving should be higher, but it is hard to assign a grade comparing college to NFL. But there were many instances where Hock is running free with the deep safety making difficult catches. A man of his size shouldn't be able to get downfield as freely/smoothly as he does.
Trade our 2nd and other picks id necessary for Rosen  
PatersonPlank : 3/21/2019 10:35 am : link
Draft Allen at 6 and White at 17.

Backup:
Draft Allen at 6, and give #17 for Rosen

Backup backup
Draft Allen at 6, and Lock at 17
Trade  
mittenedman : 3/21/2019 11:24 am : link
the #6 and #17 to SF for Nick Bosa.

He's exactly what we need: a hard-nosed dominant Edge Rusher. He'll be every bit as good as his brother and the lynchpin of a D.
Edge and RT  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 3/21/2019 12:02 pm : link
are likely the biggest needs on this team.

An ideal scenario in my mind would likely have us filling those two needs and also getting a DL within the first 3 picks.



My dream scenario?  
Hades07 : 3/21/2019 1:10 pm : link
Easy, all the other teams decide to let the Giants make their 12 picks before anyone else gets to pick.

RE: Apologies for the double post  
Hades07 : 3/21/2019 1:11 pm : link
In comment 14350569 ChicagoMarty said:
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Yes I like Greedy but I think he has greater bust potential than a guy like Murphy


I like great busts.
More about Hockenson ....  
Manny in CA : 3/21/2019 5:04 pm : link

Reality #1, Odel Beckham is G-O-N-E; a "committee is going to try to replace him

Reality #, Evan Engram (try as he can) is NOT the big blocking bruiser that the coaching staff wants him to be. (The running game suffers because of that)

Reality #3 Evan Engram is a 235 lb. man running a 4.4. He's big enough to overpower CBs (and faster than most of them). Engram is the ideal #2 "possession" receiver

Jeremy Shockey is the guy Hockenson reminds me of. I remember, first time I saw him running over people on the field. Michael Strahan almost lost his mind on the sidelines, jumping up-and-down in delight.


No holds barred...  
Amtoft : 3/21/2019 5:17 pm : link
#6 Edge rusher Josh Allen ... just so amazing and exactly what we need. you said dream and it is possible. I almost wanted to put Quinnen Williams here but just can't picture him making it in any dream.

#17 OT Jawaan Taylor ... chances he slips not likely but you said dream and it is possible.

#37 WR AJ Brown ... I would love to say Nkeal Harry, but I don't think he or AJ Brown make it here, but if one did it would be AJ Brown who I love.
.  
idiotsavant : 3/21/2019 5:18 pm : link
1a.

Q Williams
Oliver
Trade 6+ E.E.

1b

Allen
Wilson wilkins (the DT, wtf name)

1.c

6. Allen as olb
17. Bush as ilb
37. Dexter Laurence as DT
RE: No holds barred...  
Amtoft : 3/21/2019 5:22 pm : link
In comment 14352073 Amtoft said:
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#6 Edge rusher Josh Allen ... just so amazing and exactly what we need. you said dream and it is possible. I almost wanted to put Quinnen Williams here but just can't picture him making it in any dream.

#17 OT Jawaan Taylor ... chances he slips not likely but you said dream and it is possible.

#37 WR AJ Brown ... I would love to say Nkeal Harry, but I don't think he or AJ Brown make it here, but if one did it would be AJ Brown who I love.


Actually scratch this...

#6 Edge rusher Josh Allen ... just so amazing and exactly what we need. you said dream and it is possible. I almost wanted to put Quinnen Williams here but just can't picture him making it in any dream.

#17 Ed Oliver ... There is a chance he falls here and I couldn't pass him up as I want him at 6 if the top 5 is Murray, Haskins, Allen, Bosa, and Q Williams.

#37 RT Dalton Risner ... Nasty RT who will probably be picked in the last part of the 1st and can play Center also. Would love him here.
Rosen for a 2nd this year and next  
Jint Fan in Buc Land : 3/21/2019 11:48 pm : link
(not buying this only will cost a 3rd crazy talk)

J Taylor OT at 6
Hockenson or Simmons or Bush at 17
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