The Lying Season

i don't buy that. It's doing your homework. I don't see a team investing the time and money to do this just to pretend something, it's not a good use of anyone's time. It's due diligence if the scenario breaks and Haskins is the guy.

The 3 studs equals 5.....not 6

are interested in Haskins, and that the Giants are not interested in Haskins.

This tells me we do not know if the Giants are interested in Haskins, which is how it should be.

You re not a Haskins fan.

You might be disappointed in the Giants pick

I think Jerry Reese liked to cultivate an air of inscrutability but he actually didn't play games, while DG claims to be straightforward and up-front but he actually enjoys trying to fake people out.

In comment 14350609 CT Charlie said:

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I think Jerry Reese liked to cultivate an air of inscrutability but he actually didn't play games, while DG claims to be straightforward and up-front but he actually enjoys trying to fake people out.

Good. I'm on board with not tipping your hand. I know by most accounts, it probably won't happen, but I hope this interest in Haskins, is just to bring the price down for Rosen.

Perhaps.

But watching Shurmur, Abrams, and Haskins huddling up today... they looked awfully cozy and chummy with each other.

Haskins ticks a lot of boxes... size, arm, straight arrow, media doesn't faze him, well spoken...

If you put gun to my head right now, I think Haskins is not only the pick, but we may give up our #2 to move up a few spots.

In comment 14350642 Eric from BBI said:

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Perhaps. But watching Shurmur, Abrams, and Haskins huddling up today... they looked awfully cozy and chummy with each other. Haskins ticks a lot of boxes... size, arm, straight arrow, media doesn't faze him, well spoken... If you put gun to my head right now, I think Haskins is not only the pick, but we may give up our #2 to move up a few spots.

I agree, but my fear is it is going to take more than that to move up. Last year the Jets gave up 3 second rounders to move up from 6 to 3. With them being the team sitting at 3 this year I would assume they would expect to get something close to the same value.

If NYG thinks Haskins is a franchise QB, they won’t leave it to chance that he slips to #6. They will trade up. If they aren’t convinced enough to trade up for him (or Murray or Lock) they will likely pass on QBs this go round all together.

It woudln't have done him any good to claim he didn't love Barkley last year. Why? Everyone loved him. So instead he gushed over him. People were confused, was it gamesmanship? This year he may play it differently, we'll see. Methinks DG has played some poker in his day.

don't do lies. It's very easy to tell when they've locked onto someone.

And I doubt they have to trade up to get Haskins.

you are truly clueless.

The earth is flat, too.

to cover Lock's pro day, and if it's the same people.

if he falls to 6 and they want him so be it. Do not give up anymore draft collateral to get him.

I am not a fan of any of these QB's this year.

ugh, I pray they don't draft him.

I'll be ticked if they trade up for Haskins.
They would be bidding against themselves.

working with Haskins.

It can also mean absolutely nothing, one way or the other.

They checked out a legitimate first round candidate who plays a position of need, and they got a lot of information. I don't think this was a phony ploy.

BUT teams check out potential picks all the time (Ernie Accorsi, in his book, talks about driving through the countryside with Jeremy Shockey to figure out how the guy ticked): the difference here is that the Giants went public with it. It's all the buzz right now, and not just on BBI - and that's intentional.

I think Giants would be perfectly fine if Washington, Denver, Cincinnati, and/or Miami traded up ahead of #6 to grab a QB this year: hell, in a perfect world TWO of them would in an attempt to snag Haskins and Lock (after Arizona takes Murray).

I think Gettleman's moves so far indicate the way he's going to rebuild this team: start with the OL, make the defense respectable, and THEN, probably next year, address the QB situation so that whoever it is that he anoints as our new Messiah can walk into a situation that's set up to let him succeed, with all the right pieces in place around him, rather than make the Chosen One do it all by himself.

Maybe. G-Men need to do their homework on Haskins, Murray, Lock, maybe Jones. It's logical for Shurmur to do the visit...and to highlight it as well.

But...DG also stated they needed the draft to build their defense, which is their most immediate need along with a replacement for Wheeler at RT (and maybe a WR too).

Gut tells me they are going best defensive player in RD1, unless Murray is obtainable without giving up too much.

Draft is must see TV in April...will be very interesting.

sent to observe Haskins is diagnostic of anything.

There is an assumption that a big entourage and positive commentary means Haskins is who they covet.

Hammer, is correct. It could mean real genuine excitement or simply due diligence. I don't think it is a deliberate maskirovka operation either, but if one of the by products of the exercise is the Giants aren't interested in him and one of the prospects they are falls to him, then that is a good thing.

Analysis is a difficult thing and in most cases when our projections are wrong its because we didn't check our assumptions or examine for biases.

You are correct about biases. Mine are for Rosen or Jones at 37.

I do think the Giants were a bit over the top if Haskins is indeed
their target.

I was also impressed with Haskins, and yes Eric, everything about
him screams Giants. I wouldn't be disappointed if Shurmur signs
off on him, but still believe a defensive player at 6 and Rosen
thereafter adds the most value.

In comment 14350642 Eric from BBI said:

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Perhaps. But watching Shurmur, Abrams, and Haskins huddling up today... they looked awfully cozy and chummy with each other. Haskins ticks a lot of boxes... size, arm, straight arrow, media doesn't faze him, well spoken... If you put gun to my head right now, I think Haskins is not only the pick, but we may give up our #2 to move up a few spots.

This is what I think too. There is an awfully lot of smoke pointing toward a Haskins pick whatever that takes, and then moving on with the rest of the draft.