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EB222 : 3/20/2019 8:54 pm
Today, the Giants did a great job of selling their interest in
Dwayne Haskins.

If they can induce another team to jump ahead of them to
secure Haskins, they would probably be left with either
Q. Williams, Josh Allen or Nick Bosa.

Well played, gentlemen.
I'm sorry  
Joey in VA : 3/20/2019 8:57 pm : link
i don't buy that. It's doing your homework. I don't see a team investing the time and money to do this just to pretend something, it's not a good use of anyone's time. It's due diligence if the scenario breaks and Haskins is the guy.
And unless my math is wrong 2 QB plus  
George from PA : 3/20/2019 9:08 pm : link
The 3 studs equals 5.....not 6
We've had reports that the Giants  
DonQuixote : 3/20/2019 9:11 pm : link
are interested in Haskins, and that the Giants are not interested in Haskins.

This tells me we do not know if the Giants are interested in Haskins, which is how it should be.
Take it  
joeinpa : 3/20/2019 9:16 pm : link
You re not a Haskins fan.

You might be disappointed in the Giants pick
Call me crazy, but  
CT Charlie : 3/20/2019 9:47 pm : link
I think Jerry Reese liked to cultivate an air of inscrutability but he actually didn't play games, while DG claims to be straightforward and up-front but he actually enjoys trying to fake people out.
RE: Call me crazy, but  
smshmth8690 : 3/20/2019 10:07 pm : link
In comment 14350609 CT Charlie said:
Quote:
I think Jerry Reese liked to cultivate an air of inscrutability but he actually didn't play games, while DG claims to be straightforward and up-front but he actually enjoys trying to fake people out.


Good. I'm on board with not tipping your hand. I know by most accounts, it probably won't happen, but I hope this interest in Haskins, is just to bring the price down for Rosen.
EB222  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/20/2019 10:20 pm : link
Perhaps.

But watching Shurmur, Abrams, and Haskins huddling up today... they looked awfully cozy and chummy with each other.

Haskins ticks a lot of boxes... size, arm, straight arrow, media doesn't faze him, well spoken...

If you put gun to my head right now, I think Haskins is not only the pick, but we may give up our #2 to move up a few spots.
RE: EB222  
Mike in NJ : 3/20/2019 10:29 pm : link
In comment 14350642 Eric from BBI said:
Quote:
Perhaps.

But watching Shurmur, Abrams, and Haskins huddling up today... they looked awfully cozy and chummy with each other.

Haskins ticks a lot of boxes... size, arm, straight arrow, media doesn't faze him, well spoken...

If you put gun to my head right now, I think Haskins is not only the pick, but we may give up our #2 to move up a few spots.


I agree, but my fear is it is going to take more than that to move up. Last year the Jets gave up 3 second rounders to move up from 6 to 3. With them being the team sitting at 3 this year I would assume they would expect to get something close to the same value.

Agreed  
MojoEd : 3/20/2019 10:29 pm : link
If NYG thinks Haskins is a franchise QB, they wonít leave it to chance that he slips to #6. They will trade up. If they arenít convinced enough to trade up for him (or Murray or Lock) they will likely pass on QBs this go round all together.
DG is a pragmatist  
Torrag : 3/21/2019 1:30 am : link
It woudln't have done him any good to claim he didn't love Barkley last year. Why? Everyone loved him. So instead he gushed over him. People were confused, was it gamesmanship? This year he may play it differently, we'll see. Methinks DG has played some poker in his day.
the Giants  
BigBlueCane : 3/21/2019 4:26 am : link
don't do lies. It's very easy to tell when they've locked onto someone.

And I doubt they have to trade up to get Haskins.
If you think the vast attention paid to Haskins was a smokescreen  
BlueLou'sBack : 3/21/2019 5:22 am : link
you are truly clueless.

The earth is flat, too.
Let's see how many people they send  
BlueLou'sBack : 3/21/2019 5:25 am : link
to cover Lock's pro day, and if it's the same people.
God no to Haskins  
Tom from LI : 3/21/2019 5:25 am : link
if he falls to 6 and they want him so be it. Do not give up anymore draft collateral to get him.

I am not a fan of any of these QB's this year.

ugh, I pray they don't draft him.

You give the Giants way too much credit  
ZogZerg : 3/21/2019 6:31 am : link
I'll be ticked if they trade up for Haskins.
They would be bidding against themselves.
It's perfectly justifiable for the Giants to spend a lot of time  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/21/2019 7:30 am : link
working with Haskins.

It can also mean absolutely nothing, one way or the other.
This was a good move buy the Giant front office  
George : 3/21/2019 8:33 am : link
They checked out a legitimate first round candidate who plays a position of need, and they got a lot of information. I don't think this was a phony ploy.

BUT teams check out potential picks all the time (Ernie Accorsi, in his book, talks about driving through the countryside with Jeremy Shockey to figure out how the guy ticked): the difference here is that the Giants went public with it. It's all the buzz right now, and not just on BBI - and that's intentional.

I think Giants would be perfectly fine if Washington, Denver, Cincinnati, and/or Miami traded up ahead of #6 to grab a QB this year: hell, in a perfect world TWO of them would in an attempt to snag Haskins and Lock (after Arizona takes Murray).

I think Gettleman's moves so far indicate the way he's going to rebuild this team: start with the OL, make the defense respectable, and THEN, probably next year, address the QB situation so that whoever it is that he anoints as our new Messiah can walk into a situation that's set up to let him succeed, with all the right pieces in place around him, rather than make the Chosen One do it all by himself.
Maybe  
Rong5611 : 3/21/2019 8:34 am : link
Maybe. G-Men need to do their homework on Haskins, Murray, Lock, maybe Jones. It's logical for Shurmur to do the visit...and to highlight it as well.

But...DG also stated they needed the draft to build their defense, which is their most immediate need along with a replacement for Wheeler at RT (and maybe a WR too).

Gut tells me they are going best defensive player in RD1, unless Murray is obtainable without giving up too much.

Draft is must see TV in April...will be very interesting.
I don't think the entourage the Giants.....  
Reb8thVA : 3/21/2019 10:16 am : link
sent to observe Haskins is diagnostic of anything.

There is an assumption that a big entourage and positive commentary means Haskins is who they covet.

Hammer, is correct. It could mean real genuine excitement or simply due diligence. I don't think it is a deliberate maskirovka operation either, but if one of the by products of the exercise is the Giants aren't interested in him and one of the prospects they are falls to him, then that is a good thing.

Analysis is a difficult thing and in most cases when our projections are wrong its because we didn't check our assumptions or examine for biases.
Reb  
EB222 : 3/21/2019 10:48 am : link

You are correct about biases. Mine are for Rosen or Jones at 37.

I do think the Giants were a bit over the top if Haskins is indeed
their target.

I was also impressed with Haskins, and yes Eric, everything about
him screams Giants. I wouldn't be disappointed if Shurmur signs
off on him, but still believe a defensive player at 6 and Rosen
thereafter adds the most value.
RE: EB222  
DonQuixote : 3/21/2019 7:46 pm : link
In comment 14350642 Eric from BBI said:
Quote:
Perhaps.

But watching Shurmur, Abrams, and Haskins huddling up today... they looked awfully cozy and chummy with each other.

Haskins ticks a lot of boxes... size, arm, straight arrow, media doesn't faze him, well spoken...

If you put gun to my head right now, I think Haskins is not only the pick, but we may give up our #2 to move up a few spots.


This is what I think too. There is an awfully lot of smoke pointing toward a Haskins pick whatever that takes, and then moving on with the rest of the draft.
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