Help me out re: QB options

He said these were the best numbers since Luck. Arc even says he is nowhere near Luck.

But don't worry the opinions change hourly depending on who the flavor of the day is.

The absolute statements being made about these quarterbacks with a grain of salt.

If your confusion is based on what your reading on BBI, remember these are just opinions of fans, amateurs, who have a rooting interest agenda just like you and me.

I look at Haskins and think Wow!, “Love his arm, love his demeanor, love he s a Giants guy. “. Combine this with my desire to have the next guy in place to avoid a possible third loss season with no one there, and I m all in on the guy.

So if your looking for guidance as to what you want the Giants to do, root for what you want to happen

I will say this, the consensus among the NFL teams is that Haskins will be a top 5 pick, yet we have people here who state they wouldn’t waste a first day pick on him.


Those that make the same arguments against the quarterbacks this year as they did last season point to the performances of those kids and say, “See I told you, not that impressive”

I look at them remembering Simms and Eli in rookie seasons and think, “See those guys have potential. “

I think my view is geared to the long run and some not all, really believe Giants can contend right now with the right moves, and don’t want to waste” a pick.

Haskins is young with much room to grow, I m hoping he s the guy

But I find it hard to believe that Haskins doesn’t measure up to last year’s prospects. Murray and Mayfield are the undersized super athletic types. They’re in a different category good or bad depending on your viewpoint. It would seem to me that Darnold, Rosen and Haskins are very similar, talented pocket passers with somewhat varying levels of athleticism. How you can tell one is a better prospect than the other is beyond my skills, and though we are all entitled to our opinions, I would bet most of the posters here. In the long run it only matters what the Giants think.

If we have to trade up to secure him, the giants need to do that. The price will be much steeper next year. I’d hate to lose a first round pick but I think we can execute this trade by giving up next years first with pick six.

or so leading up to the draft. You will hear how QB’s aren’t strong this particular year, etc. And then all of a sudden there are two or three “really good” QB’s and they skyrocket up the mock drafts. I guess it’s the importance of the position. This year, I honestly have no idea how any of these guys will turn out, all seem to have question marks. The top 2 (Murray and Haskins) are very different players, but each has lack of starting experience as a common trait.

Haskins surrounded by a great offense had one of the best years of any college QB ever.

If more mobile, he would be ideal. Eventhough, he is only one year of experience.....he will cost at least our 6th.

I personally prefer Lock, has more wiggle and has similar traits to Mahomes, imo. But to will cost our 6th.

Jones, Grier and others are also possibilities...maybe costing 17th.

Now, who knows how they view Rosen but should only cost a 2nd.

I suspect these are their options

If you go back and look at old mock drafts done several months before the combine, you always see qbs in very different places. I don’t think Goff even showed up in the first round on a few. I think qb more than any other position, people talk themselves into picking them. It is a major hit or miss position in the draft.

In comment 14350806 crooza172 said:

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If we have to trade up to secure him, the giants need to do that. The price will be much steeper next year. I’d hate to lose a first round pick but I think we can execute this trade by giving up next years first with pick six.

I am really starting to warm up to this opinion. We are in a great position to move up being at #6 with a lot of draft capital. It might be unlikely but what happens if skip on a QB and win 7 - 9 games this year? The cost to move up would be huge.

Rosen could be an option but right now we have no idea.

opinions and no one will know for sure for at least a few years. There are no easy answers right now.

Anyone think the Giants would work a deal for Jacoby Brissett as an interim and potentially a long-term back-up? It may be a little late to make the deal, Brissett is in the final year of his rookie contract and could be a solid bridge between Eli and a 2020 QB. He wouldn't come cheap, but it gives the Giants some options.

Evaluations are subjective. People forget, it wasn't like the Giants didn't like any of the QBs last year --they just couldn't come to a consensus. They were very different, and different people place emphasis on different things. And in terms of stats and pedigree, the QBs in this draft stack up just fine --success at big programs, comparable stats to top guys in other years. It comes down to things like, how do you feel about Murray's height, or are you concerned about Haskins playing one year or how much weight do you put to the guys around him. There is no objective way to weigh these things. Lock has all the tools, by any account, has shown inconsistency, but also improved year to year. So how do you rank that potential verses another guy with better consistency but maybe lesser ceiling because he doesn't have the same tools? That's a subjective read.

In comment 14350805 BillT said:

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But I find it hard to believe that Haskins doesn’t measure up to last year’s prospects. Murray and Mayfield are the undersized super athletic types. They’re in a different category good or bad depending on your viewpoint. It would seem to me that Darnold, Rosen and Haskins are very similar, talented pocket passers with somewhat varying levels of athleticism. How you can tell one is a better prospect than the other is beyond my skills, and though we are all entitled to our opinions, I would bet most of the posters here. In the long run it only matters what the Giants think.

This is a good point. Disregarding Murray and Mayfield, who appear to have everything except physical stature, Lock and Haskins appear to compare equally with the other QBs from last year. They all have perceived flaws and it is a matter of which flaws are real and how does a team adjust to those flaws.

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How’d did the bad draft year for quarterbacks suddenly offer up a gem?

A supposedly bad draft class at a particular position generally refers to the depth of the position, not the absence of any quality prospects at all. Last year's class had four top 10 picks at QB and a fifth QB picked at the end of the 1st round. That's a deep QB class. This year's group won't match that number, and they'll likely be drafted in relatively lower slots in the aggregate, so it's considered a weaker class. But that doesn't mean that there aren't necessarily any good QBs in the group - it's just that there isn't the same quantity (or pedigree over multiple college seasons) that last year's group featured.

That said, QBs typically get overdrafted due to the importance of the position, so even a weak year will offer up a few prospects whose profiles are inflated simply due to the position itself. That doesn't happen as frequently at other positions.

Evaluation of the best available QB fit for his scheme, there is no other option

to fill. If they go QB this year, hopefully they’ll chop wisely.

Haskins is my guy because of a few things. One his 3rd/4th down completion % is amazing. That is when you have the most pressure. Also he played 6 of the top 51 passing Def last year and put up 1900+ with 21 TDs and 2 Int (one which was a tip ball off the WRs hands). When he was down he kept battling and making throws. He handles pressure situations very well.

QBs shoot up the board as the draft approaches. I'd expect the same to happen for Daniel Jones as well. I don't think any of these guys is an elite prospect except possibly Murray, and even he gives me pause.

In comment 14350805 BillT said:

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But I find it hard to believe that Haskins doesn’t measure up to last year’s prospects. Murray and Mayfield are the undersized super athletic types. They’re in a different category good or bad depending on your viewpoint. It would seem to me that Darnold, Rosen and Haskins are very similar, talented pocket passers with somewhat varying levels of athleticism. How you can tell one is a better prospect than the other is beyond my skills, and though we are all entitled to our opinions, I would bet most of the posters here. In the long run it only matters what the Giants think.

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