...well, let's just assume for the moment that a team has to get to either the second or third pick to snag the Ohio State QB.
At #2 San Fran would be willing to trade down because they have Jimmy Garoppolo (and assuming he'll be OK); at #3 the Jets have Darnold. #1 is not in the discussion since it's assumed the Cards are going Kyler Murray.
The approximate point value of second overall pick: 2,600; third overall pick 2,200.
And here is a list of the teams that may trade up to snag Dwayne Haskins and the approximate draft points they have for Rounds 1, 2 and 3:
Oakland Raiders (3,780) -- 4, 24, 27, 35
New York Giants (3,210) -- 6, 17, 37, 95
Denver Broncos (2,035) -- 10, 41, 71
Cincinnati Bengals (1,970) -- 11, 42, 72
Washington Redskins (1,826) -- 15, 46, 76, 96
Miami Dolphins (1,780) -- 13, 48, 78
Clearly the Raiders and the Giants have accrued enough 2019 draft stock to trade up into the second or third slot. Everyone else would probably have to package a 2020 high pick as well.
And if Oakland wants to stay with Derek Carr (which is no guarantee), then the Giants probably hold destiny in their own hands to snag Dwayne Haskins. That said, I don't think the Jets and Giants want to deal with one another, which means the Giants would have to trade for San Fran's #2. And IMO, the #2 will command more points than the standard chart value of 2,200.
Bottom line: I'm gonna venture a guess that the Giants will trade their 6 and 17 (~2,550 Points) for Dwayne Haskins.
Or Q. Williams - the best player in the draft. If we keep drafting the best overall player we have to improve...right?
I have no idea what they are going to do. But I certainly think everything is on the table.
Last time they had #2 pick they took Barkley...
I hope that DG is better at hiding intentions than Reese was. Although last year everyone thought he was taking Barkley and sure enough...
that said, hiding intentions at #6 is more important than doing so a #2.
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with better and more experienced QBs next year.
Why not suck two years in a row and get the kid from Clemson - he's better than anyone coming out next year.
And if he blows out his knee or arm? What's the plan?
What a horrible post. What the Giants did in the 1980s has nothing to do with what they would do this year.
I have no idea what they are going to do. But I certainly think everything is on the table.
Maybe, but, if we trade up for Haskins this would be FAR FAR worse than the perceived issue with trading OBJ. With little cap room and lots of needs still we have to keep as many picks as possible.
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The alst time the Giants had the second pick in the first rd they took LT. If the Gmen look to move up to #2 it won't be for Haskins, it will be for Bosa or Allen. The Giants love tradition and history. No way we move to #2 for Haskins.
Last time they had #2 pick they took Barkley...
Damn, I was thinking 3 last year.. grr.. Fuck that then, never mind.
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The alst time the Giants had the second pick in the first rd they took LT. If the Gmen look to move up to #2 it won't be for Haskins, it will be for Bosa or Allen. The Giants love tradition and history. No way we move to #2 for Haskins.
What a horrible post. What the Giants did in the 1980s has nothing to do with what they would do this year.
Really... Hmm, interesting since most here say DG is a dinosaur and the Giants lack forward thinking etc.. But, please, share your fucking thoughts.
Eli would be 1st player taken in this draft (if he were coming out in 2019), just as he was in 2004. Not the same scenario.
Pick either Murray or Haskins if available at #6. If not available, that leaves either Bosa, Q. Williams. J. Allen, White or Wilkins to us.
I like Haskisn but I seriously doubt that he is the greatest rookie QB since Luck.
Sign me up for staying put at #6 and taking the best DLineman that is there.
Not exactly. The big 3 non QB are Q.Will, Allen and Boss.
2 QBs and those 3 are quite possible to go in the top 5.
Then it becomes does your particular team have a guy rated close to those blue-chippers.
Neither. Not at 6. Not at 17. Never.
If Haskins doesnt go 2 he will go 5. Would tampa who just brought in a qb friendly coach take him? or trade down to fill new holes on D.
5 top of the draft and we pick 6th. even a minor trade to 5 could be all we need.
My point was simply that there are gems to be found in supposedly weak QB classes and duds that come out of strong QB classes.
Even in the 2004 draft that we're all so familiar with, there wound up being three HOF QBs... and JP Losman.
Last year, many (including myself), strongly believed the Giants had to come out of the 2018 NFL Draft with their replacement for Eli. Obviously, despite the drafting of Lauletta (who sadly already seems to be written off by those inside and outside the building), they didn't do that.
Now the reverse seems to have happened, there are those who think the Giants can still wait. Perhaps I'm making the same exact mistake again, but I can't see how the Giants can avoid taking a QB high for the second year in a row. jtgiants thinks the Giants will go this route. He usually knows what is going on. But this is the second year in a row where the Giants will have a shot at the second best QB in the draft. How many chances are they going to have? These opportunities don't come around often.
I said it last night and I'll say it again, what stood out to me yesterday was how chummy Shurmur, Abrams, and Haskins were with each other right out in the open. It was almost as if Haskins was already a Giant.
If the Giants think Haskins is their guy, they will trade up to draft him if they think they are in danger of losing him.
Eric ... What if the plan is to get Wilson in FA with some off the new cap space and have him groom the youngster not Eli. The talks that his wife is unhappy in Seattle due to her career taking a hit is not just BS. So with that NY, Cali, Miami or Atl are the spots she'll be ok with and NY is her preferred spot.
Neither. Not at 6. Not at 17. Never.
And you know this how? Oh that’s right you don’t you have as much of a clue as everyone else as to what they do
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Nor are they drafting Lock.
Neither. Not at 6. Not at 17. Never.
And you know this how? Oh that’s right you don’t you have as much of a clue as everyone else as to what they do
I agree. I hate when people try to present as if they know something they don't.
You said it yourself: if you don't have a QB, you can't win. That being said we'll be in position to draft a QB high for the foreseeable future, especially after Eli hangs them up. I know fans hate the thought of tanking or having another year of no hope, but it's worth it in the long run to pick the right QB. If Haskins is that guy, so be it. But if they're drafting the best guy this year out of desperation, the opportunity cost is the QBs in the 2020 and 2021 drafts, AT LEAST. Is Haskins still worth it then?
I think about 75% of the people here assumed the Giants were taking Barkley.
I have no idea what the Giants are going to do come April 25th. Its very possible at this point that the Giants really don't know what they will be doing. There are just so many perms and combs. The bottom line is though as Eric said you can not win in this league without a top-end QB an in all likelihood the Giants will have to trade up at some point to get one if not this year then next. And the question becomes which year is it going to cost more to move up for what quality player.
This year, for example, you only take a Haskins at 6 if you really like him and if you really like him then its hard not to justify moving up to get him. The one thing I am not sure I see is the Giants giving up a ton to move up. One sense I have is that they in part wanted to get the 17th pick to still have a first rounder for the defense if they did indeed use the 6th on a QB.
One other quick point: can we get rid of the 'the Giants are all-in on Eli for another year.' In reality, the Giants are sticking with Eli for another year largely because there really aren't any better options.
Except losing that mantra kneecaps so many people's arguments around here and blows up too many conspiracy theories for it to expect to take hold.
The one thing I disagree with is I'm thinking they Haskins ahead of Murray at this point. Just the interview stuff and demeanor seems like he would scare off the front office coupled with his size.
If they are convinced he is the guy, they should go get him... whatever the cost (They will determine his value).
I think they will have to trade up if they want Haskins.
2. “No guts, no glory.” Doesn’t sound like the type of statement you make if the plan is to stand pat and take the best guy available at #6. Couple that with that with the statements made on Francesa’s show about taking a QB if everything works out, and his comments about following “the Chiefs model.” Clearly addressing the QB position is on his mind.
3. The Gettleman/Accorsi relationship. Gettleman has referenced Ernie several times lately, he is clearly someone he looks to for advice, and Ernie’s signature move so to speak was moving up for Eli. Trading up to grab one of the quarterbacks would be Gettleman’s legacy, just as trading up for Eli is Ernie’s legacy.
Haskins is better than Fromm. You don't throw for nearly 5,000 yards, 50 TD's against 8 ints against the schedule Ohio State has by accident. 1 year be damned, he's a winner.
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Regardless of how you feel about how much Eli has left, how many times are the Giants going to be in THIS position to draft a QB high?
You said it yourself: if you don't have a QB, you can't win. That being said we'll be in position to draft a QB high for the foreseeable future, especially after Eli hangs them up. I know fans hate the thought of tanking or having another year of no hope, but it's worth it in the long run to pick the right QB. If Haskins is that guy, so be it. But if they're drafting the best guy this year out of desperation, the opportunity cost is the QBs in the 2020 and 2021 drafts, AT LEAST. Is Haskins still worth it then?
They’re not tanking, but for argument’s sake, let’s say that happened.Can you imagine this board reacting as they do, with tank loss after tank loss? Look how so many on here IMPLODE during fucking preseason games
One other quick point: can we get rid of the 'the Giants are all-in on Eli for another year.' In reality, the Giants are sticking with Eli for another year largely because there really aren't any better options.
Well, there are better, cheaper options than $17M for a 38 year old QB who struggles with consistency.
So if you think they are keeping Eli just one more year as a placeholder, because that's what you seem to be implying, what's the point of that? To have a $17M co-QB coach? Or to make sure the product on the field is watchable?
Help me understand exactly what you mean here.
Because based on Gettleman's own words, and I can get the quotes from earlier this week, they think Eli can lead this team and contend.
If anything, it supports the point that he's the best option for this year.
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One other quick point: can we get rid of the 'the Giants are all-in on Eli for another year.' In reality, the Giants are sticking with Eli for another year largely because there really aren't any better options.
Well, there are better, cheaper options than $17M for a 38 year old QB who struggles with consistency.
So if you think they are keeping Eli just one more year as a placeholder, because that's what you seem to be implying, what's the point of that? To have a $17M co-QB coach? Or to make sure the product on the field is watchable?
Help me understand exactly what you mean here.
Because based on Gettleman's own words, and I can get the quotes from earlier this week, they think Eli can lead this team and contend.
Many here feel with the OL improved and some pieces on D in place, that we can contend. For perspective, you didn’t care for Eli during our 2 SBs in 4 years run. What you say about Eli and replacing him cheaper is skewed. Heavily so.
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One other quick point: can we get rid of the 'the Giants are all-in on Eli for another year.' In reality, the Giants are sticking with Eli for another year largely because there really aren't any better options.
Well, there are better, cheaper options than $17M for a 38 year old QB who struggles with consistency.
So if you think they are keeping Eli just one more year as a placeholder, because that's what you seem to be implying, what's the point of that? To have a $17M co-QB coach? Or to make sure the product on the field is watchable?
Help me understand exactly what you mean here.
Because based on Gettleman's own words, and I can get the quotes from earlier this week, they think Eli can lead this team and contend.
Where are the better, cheaper options? Manning may not have lit the world on fire the last couple of years, but he has been better than anyone that’s abailabke.
I don't understand the sensitivity to this phrase.
I actually think Lock is the better player between him and Josh Allen as he is the more willing passer but can take off if need be. If we were to go QB, I wouldn’t be opposed to Haskins or Lock. Lock has the arm strength to play in MetLife
I see what you did there 😄
Many here feel with the OL improved and some pieces on D in place, that we can contend. For perspective, you didn’t care for Eli during our 2 SBs in 4 years run. What you say about Eli and replacing him cheaper is skewed. Heavily so.
I get it - so they are committed to Eli leading this improving team to contend. They are all-in. I don't agree with it as a strategy, but I understand why it is a strategy.
I don't get why Colin, Fat-Mara, etc are so sensitive to that comment.
Because that's his ceiling.
I don't understand the sensitivity to this phrase.
Really? Could it be because it is uttered by people trying to show there is some organizational mandate to keep him, and since you are the ringleader of that type of ridiculousness that you know exactly why that phrase is intentionally used?