...well, let's just assume for the moment that a team has to get to either the second or third pick to snag the Ohio State QB.
At #2 San Fran would be willing to trade down because they have Jimmy Garoppolo (and assuming he'll be OK); at #3 the Jets have Darnold. #1 is not in the discussion since it's assumed the Cards are going Kyler Murray.
The approximate point value of second overall pick: 2,600; third overall pick 2,200.
And here is a list of the teams that may trade up to snag Dwayne Haskins and the approximate draft points they have for Rounds 1, 2 and 3:
Oakland Raiders (3,780) -- 4, 24, 27, 35
New York Giants (3,210) -- 6, 17, 37, 95
Denver Broncos (2,035) -- 10, 41, 71
Cincinnati Bengals (1,970) -- 11, 42, 72
Washington Redskins (1,826) -- 15, 46, 76, 96
Miami Dolphins (1,780) -- 13, 48, 78
Clearly the Raiders and the Giants have accrued enough 2019 draft stock to trade up into the second or third slot. Everyone else would probably have to package a 2020 high pick as well.
And if Oakland wants to stay with Derek Carr (which is no guarantee), then the Giants probably hold destiny in their own hands to snag Dwayne Haskins. That said, I don't think the Jets and Giants want to deal with one another, which means the Giants would have to trade for San Fran's #2. And IMO, the #2 will command more points than the standard chart value of 2,200.
Bottom line: I'm gonna venture a guess that the Giants will trade their 6 and 17 (~2,550 Points) for Dwayne Haskins.
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And I may be suffering from a severe case of confirmation bias, but Haskins just reeks of NYG to me. It's very easy for me to see him answering questions from the NY media.
It's very possible but the Giants will have to move up to #2 and give up #17.
If they went up to #2, I'd take Bosa or Allen.
...your words:
"The best quarterback draft class in a decade is next year.... so there is absolutely no need for desperation or panic. This offense with a vastly improved defense will easily be as good as anyone else in the NFC East in 2019"
I was with you on all of your statements save the last one above. The Giants have the draft capital NOW to secure Haskins (assuming they like him a lot).
But take your last statement to its logical conclusion:
(1) The Giants play well in 2019;
(2) The Giants will not have a premium first round pick in 2020; thus,
(3) The Giants will not have the Draft capital to pick from "the best quarterback draft class in a decade" next year.
Doesn't add up.
If the Giants play well enough to make a run in the playoffs, meaning Eli had a very good year, he will be extended by two years and there will be less urgency to draft a franchise quarterback next year. He will play every bit as long as Brady or Brees, perhaps longer. We can only hope to be so lucky.
Assuming they are a .500 team and they decide not to extend Eli, which is what many in the media and on this site seem to be suggesting at this point, they will be in the mid to late teens. Assuming they will need to move up to the top of the board from that position, it could cost them as much as their three top picks next year and probably one or more top picks the following year. Not painless, but easily doable - it is what the Eagles and Rams did several years ago to get Wentz and Goff. One or more of the three quarterbacks next year meets Gettleman's HOF thesis - so assuming they each stay healthy in 2019, they will no doubt be worth every bit of that draft capital for this team going forward.
And of course, there is always the chance with injuries etc that the Giants finish amongst the bottom of the league again this year and are drafting in the top five for the third year in a row next year. Which would then land them their guy with very little draft capital required, if any.
Adds up quite well actually. But anyway you look at it, it is vital that the Giants "stock up" with as many "best players available" from this year's draft as possible...
It would be pretty funny (and clever) if the Giants showed all this attention to Dwayne Haskins with the full intention of going defense at #6!
"never draft for need" is a nice platitude, but one look at this roster on the defensive side indicates a whole bunch of needs at every level, and they're certainly going to draft that way. Nothing they did in free agency has set them up for a draft in which they don't have to feel forced to draft to fill a need. They need everything, from safety to defensive line.
Earlier I was sure they would, but that was before one of these two apparently dropped into their laps.