Some teams interested in Rosen plan to sit and develop him

taken QBs in the last two drafts?

That said, it's Colin Cowherd...

"Good Teams"

In comment 14351037 Beer Man said:

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"Good Teams"

That's true....and sad.

That you can't sit him. Obviously more than one Good team disagrees.

If we were to offer #17 for Rosen to beat other offers, we need a sweetener. Haasan Reddick and/or a 2020 pick.

The guy is clueless. He has no sources.

that Colin mentioned "good teams" as why the Giants aren't in the named teams. But, yet, Green Bay is included? They won 1 game more than us with the highest paid QB in the game.

few teams out -i.e., Dallas, Washington, Pittsburgh, - they are "bad" teams. Either the players think the org is bad or the players themselves are bad....

truly one of the worst guys in sports media

Rosen was the most pro ready QB last year. He doesn't need to sit. It certainly wouldn't hurt, but they are just making stuff up now. I'm sure some of those teams are interested, but not because they feel he NEEDS to sit.

I think every team would take him as a backup this season.That is no secret.

In comment 14351069 ZogZerg said:

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Rosen was the most pro ready QB last year. He doesn't need to sit. It certainly wouldn't hurt, but they are just making stuff up now. I'm sure some of those teams are interested, but not because they feel he NEEDS to sit.

Maybe he's still in the protocol?

And yet Cowherd's stupidity manages to stand out even amongst this very stupid group of people.

it will be to sit for this year. Why not, what did he do last year that says he HAS to start? The Giants are one of those teams and people read good teams thne wrong way. I don't think it means great records but established teams with a track record. The Gmen are definitely part of that supposed pack.

New England makes sense but don't discount La Chargers..

said he has to start. He is a good get no matter what and that would be up to the Giants to decide.

(And we don't have any indication that they actually do...)

I think the problem would be that any of those "good" teams could give up their lesser-valued #1 which would beat the Giants' 2nd RD offer. But if teams like Jax, Denver, Wash and Miami are not interested, then the Giants' other #1 (17) would be too high for Rosen.

is where DG wants his top players to be strong in, which is a great locker room presents. He checks all the other boxes but DG is dumping locker room problems.


I can't see the Giants trading for Rosen

In comment 14351187 JohnB said:

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is where DG wants his top players to be strong in, which is a great locker room presents. He checks all the other boxes but DG is dumping locker room problems. I can't see the Giants trading for Rosen

I dont think that is true, OBJ gave everyone beats headphones and see what happened to him...

at the bottom of the first giving their first for Rosen. You might be able to snag him for a 2nd plus other picks as it’s only a few picks into the second but if multiple teams get involved it seems likely the Giants would have to give up #17.

Remember when we use to pick at the bottom of the first round?

In comment 14351187 JohnB said:

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is where DG wants his top players to be strong in, which is a great locker room presents. He checks all the other boxes but DG is dumping locker room problems. I can't see the Giants trading for Rosen

What's interesting to me is Rosen hasn't said or done anything controversial since he arrived in Zona. At least nothing that's been big enough for the media to magnify.

Even when he was getting annihilated by his sieve of an OL, he was poised and just kept playing.

Maybe he's more mature and dependable than his chief critics...

Chose Mason Rudolph early last year.

Colin is a clown.

In comment 14351228 bw in dc said:

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In comment 14351187 JohnB said: Quote: is where DG wants his top players to be strong in, which is a great locker room presents. He checks all the other boxes but DG is dumping locker room problems. I can't see the Giants trading for Rosen What's interesting to me is Rosen hasn't said or done anything controversial since he arrived in Zona. At least nothing that's been big enough for the media to magnify. Even when he was getting annihilated by his sieve of an OL, he was poised and just kept playing. Maybe he's more mature and dependable than his chief critics...

There's nothing interesting about it. Many of these issues don't really manifest themselves large enough to create a story until 2 or 3 years into a players career. See Jay Cutler.

Also, Rosen wasn't good last year. So there's that. I don't care how shitty his offensive line was. For a guy who was supposed to be the next sure thing, he looked like he's behind the curve.

Rosen was not good last year.

But I think as a rookie playing behind that miserable OL was a huge factor in that outcome.

his first year, btw.

or San Diego.

To drive up the price for Rosen...

See there are MANY teams that want him. We need a 1st rd pick!

Etc, etc..

to trade Rosen this year, especially if they don’t get something they want. The advantage of 1st round picks now is that they no longer sign mind blowing massive deals like they used to. The so called “QB hell” from years ago had a lot to do with giving a player like Jamarcus Russel $100 million dollars. It’s so much easier to move off a 1st round QB nowadays, the financial investment is nothing in the grand scheme. I am not saying it doesn’t hurt to miss on a first round pick, but you aren’t forced to pay them mega deals so in reality he could just be a high priced backup. Sam Bradford returned a first rounder. Odds are some team will give up a lot more than the media is trying to make it sound like. If they don’t get a first for this draft, they can wait and see who misses out next year. They don’t lose anything by keeping him.

For probably 25 teams if he’s available for a 3rd round pick. Maybe for 31 teams. Which is why he’ll probably go for a high 2, maybe a low #1 to New England or New Orleans.

In comment 14351331 bw in dc said:

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Rosen was not good last year. But I think as a rookie playing behind that miserable OL was a huge factor in that outcome.

I would posit that the same holds true for any QB. Including 15 year vets.

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If true, #37 wont do it... if we were to offer #17 for Rosen to beat other offers, we need a sweetener. Haasan Reddick and/or a 2020 pick.

why would n't 37 be in running ? a good team's 1 round pick would be in the upper 20s and lower 30s . not too far away from our second pick

we could add a lower rounder and it would be a compelling offer compared to good teams first round

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his first year, btw.

Eli came in and played like 7 of the top 10 defenses in the league. A tough row to ho. Eli also came in a different era. Even then I remember him showing the flashes of what you look for in a franchise pocket passer. Going through his progressions and making right reads, he just needed to speed it up a bit. Now with the way you are allowed to play defense a rookie QB better come in and perform.

team will take him and hope he develops. What team would invest anything more than say a 4th RD pick for him?

In comment 14351331 bw in dc said:

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Rosen was not good last year. But I think as a rookie playing behind that miserable OL was a huge factor in that outcome.

Kyle Lauletta also played behind a bad OLine. So why not forget Rosen and stick with KL and see what he does behind a good OLine?

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In comment 14351333 bw in dc said: Quote: his first year, btw. Eli came in and played like 7 of the top 10 defenses in the league. A tough row to ho. Eli also came in a different era. Even then I remember him showing the flashes of what you look for in a franchise pocket passer. Going through his progressions and making right reads, he just needed to speed it up a bit. Now with the way you are allowed to play defense a rookie QB better come in and perform.

Well, if you are interested, go back and compare the offensive players Eli had at his disposal versus what Rosen had. Eli had a nice corp of WRs, RBs, and a TE.

Again, neither had an auspicious start. But each did get the most important part to starting an NFL career - experience and live reps.

In comment 14351480 JohnB said:

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In comment 14351331 bw in dc said: Quote: Rosen was not good last year. But I think as a rookie playing behind that miserable OL was a huge factor in that outcome. Kyle Lauletta also played behind a bad OLine. So why not forget Rosen and stick with KL and see what he does behind a good OLine?

I'm not opposed to that. I think that's fair.

In comment 14351394 Bill L said:

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In comment 14351331 bw in dc said: Quote: Rosen was not good last year. But I think as a rookie playing behind that miserable OL was a huge factor in that outcome. I would posit that the same holds true for any QB. Including 15 year vets.

That's the problem - the 38 year old QB needs an OL that is way above average to be productive because he doesn't have any improvisational skills.

I'm sure he doesn't have any sources, but definitely not anywhere near the worst sports personalities, in a field littered with Carlton, Bayless, Stephen A. Smith.

In comment 14351425 Zeke's Alibi said:

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In comment 14351333 bw in dc said: Quote: his first year, btw. Eli came in and played like 7 of the top 10 defenses in the league. A tough row to ho. Eli also came in a different era. Even then I remember him showing the flashes of what you look for in a franchise pocket passer. Going through his progressions and making right reads, he just needed to speed it up a bit. Now with the way you are allowed to play defense a rookie QB better come in and perform.

Bbi wants to give up a 6th and7th overall and SB for Josh Rosen. Imagine what they would give for Nick Mullens who had double the QBR rating.

as a backup to Murray?

In comment 14351078 Greg from LI said:

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And yet Cowherd's stupidity manages to stand out even amongst this very stupid group of people.

LOL, Ok that was funny

In comment 14351517 bw in dc said:

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In comment 14351394 Bill L said: Quote: In comment 14351331 bw in dc said: Quote: Rosen was not good last year. But I think as a rookie playing behind that miserable OL was a huge factor in that outcome. I would posit that the same holds true for any QB. Including 15 year vets. That's the problem - the 38 year old QB needs an OL that is way above average to be productive because he doesn't have any improvisational skills.

How would you know it needs to be way above average? Can we just get it to average and see what happens, and THEN judge?