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Concerns about Haskins

DC Gmen Fan : 3/21/2019 12:21 pm
I'm not much of a college football guru, but in the light following I've been doing w/r/t the draft and the noise about the Giants drafting Haskins at 6, I had some questions maybe some more enlightened on this site could answer.

Is it correct that Haskins has only played 1 or 2 full seasons at OSU? Yes he had a tremendous campaign last year, but I'd be more curious to see him over a couple years - with more tape on him and defenses better able to game plan for him, I'd be very curious to see another campaign.

He came out of Bullis. I went to Bullis. It's a small school, playing relatively smaller other schools (Gtown Prep, Landon, etc). I'm impressed at what he did there, but maybe not as impressed as someone who would have come out of a larger public high school playing known area powerhouses.

This trend of guys coming out of college after limited(ish) experience is growing. By all accounts, he is a great guy who has played well in 2018 and has great attributes and interviews. But has he really had the chance to gain the experience necessary to mature mentally and overcome adversity on the field?

I think he has the potential to be an outstanding NFL player; but is he ready to be a #6 pick overall?

Thoughts?
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Did Haskins  
XBRONX : 3/21/2019 7:57 pm : link
looked gassed in the fourth quarter of any game this year? If not, who gives a shit about his pro day.
RE: Did Haskins  
UConn4523 : 3/21/2019 8:05 pm : link
In comment 14352288 XBRONX said:
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looked gassed in the fourth quarter of any game this year? If not, who gives a shit about his pro day.


Thatís my point as well. Add in how often there are breaks in the NFL compared to college and I couldnít be any less concerned about this.

Timeouts, TV timeouts, 15/20 penalties per game, two minute warnings, and 5-10 play reviews per game will give him more breathers than heíll know what to do with.
Has there been any narrative about the appearance of being gassed  
Mike in Prescott : 3/21/2019 8:10 pm : link
that any knowledgeable pundit or team Haskins has put out? I find it interesting that we have discussed it at length here, but I'm not seeing anything media wise.
Has there been any narrative about the appearance of being gassed  
Mike in Prescott : 3/21/2019 8:12 pm : link
that any knowledgeable pundit or team Haskins has put out? I find it interesting that we have discussed it at length here, but I'm not seeing anything media wise.
RE: Has there been any narrative about the appearance of being gassed  
arcarsenal : 3/21/2019 8:17 pm : link
In comment 14352299 Mike in Prescott said:
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that any knowledgeable pundit or team Haskins has put out? I find it interesting that we have discussed it at length here, but I'm not seeing anything media wise.


Nope. This was not a talking point until yesterday.

When people want to find holes, they'll find them - even if they have to exaggerate them or create them.

I can't recall reading one single evaluation that mentioned his conditioning as a potential problem area or any question regarding his ability to finish games strong.

It's funny - if you try to credit a guy for a good pro day showing, you're greeted with a chorus of "it's a pro day... who cares? Its meaningless and everyone looks good throwing against air.."

But, when we can draw something bad from it.... well, now it means something!

Pro days really don't simulate game environments well at all. Guys throw more than an entire games' worth of passes in about 15 minutes. This doesn't happen on Sundays and this is going to matter even less for a guy like Haskins who will be a traditional dropback . passer.

We all found amusement in Eli's beach body picture from years ago, and none of us cared because we already knew what Eli had accomplished. Haskins not looking like a Greek God is apparently raising the ol' antennae, though.

It is what it is. He's got his concerns for sure, but I can't get myself to believe this is a real one. Wasn't he working out before he threw, too?
RE: Has there been any narrative about the appearance of being gassed  
Zeke's Alibi : 3/21/2019 8:18 pm : link
In comment 14352301 Mike in Prescott said:
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that any knowledgeable pundit or team Haskins has put out? I find it interesting that we have discussed it at length here, but I'm not seeing anything media wise.


They mebtioned during broadcast and the guy said it to nitpick by as his own admission. It's a non issue.
RE: bw  
bw in dc : 3/21/2019 8:22 pm : link
In comment 14352284 Go Terps said:
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I can't recall a QB looking that physically taxed at his workout.


Someone today tried to say that Haskins was "soaked" before he started to throw and was sweating all along.

Total bullsh-t. Haskins's shirt was dry when he started and then sweat starting pouting through - around his neck, his chest, the arms...And that's when he started to grab his hips, bend over, put his arms on his receivers, etc.

Gassed.
I'm OK with Haskins  
English Alaister : 3/21/2019 8:24 pm : link
The positives are clear but the conditioning is definitely a red flag. What the hell else did he have to do the last 3 months?
RE: RE: bw  
UConn4523 : 3/21/2019 8:32 pm : link
In comment 14352319 bw in dc said:
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In comment 14352284 Go Terps said:


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I can't recall a QB looking that physically taxed at his workout.



Someone today tried to say that Haskins was "soaked" before he started to throw and was sweating all along.

Total bullsh-t. Haskins's shirt was dry when he started and then sweat starting pouting through - around his neck, his chest, the arms...And that's when he started to grab his hips, bend over, put his arms on his receivers, etc.

Gassed.


Go watch it. The video posted in yesterdayís thread shows the back of his shirt already wet with sweat. Then he does his 50 throws in 20 minutes, by the end heís clearly sweating more in the front. Tired? Sure. But he absolutely didnít just throw yesterday.

But once you pounce on a narrative you donít let up for anything. So I donít expect you to agree with me at all.
This is one of the more ridiculous narratives I've seen here.  
Zeke's Alibi : 3/21/2019 8:34 pm : link
You know what didn't suffer even though he was allegedly gassed after throwing 100 passes? His throwing accuracy or power.
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arcarsenal : 3/21/2019 8:39 pm : link
bw being bw... nothing new here!

Once he's got his narrative, he won't let go.

First it was Haskins' "ClubMed" pocket where he never faced a lick of pressure and had 20 seconds to deliver each of his passes, now it's the whole "gassed" out of shape thing where we're now painting this picture like the guy could barely finish the workout and was down on one knee because he couldn't catch his breath.

RE: RE: RE: bw  
bw in dc : 3/21/2019 8:47 pm : link
In comment 14352329 UConn4523 said:
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Go watch it. The video posted in yesterdayís thread shows the back of his shirt already wet with sweat. Then he does his 50 throws in 20 minutes, by the end heís clearly sweating more in the front. Tired? Sure. But he absolutely didnít just throw yesterday.

But once you pounce on a narrative you donít let up for anything. So I donít expect you to agree with me at all.


I do disagree. But I don't think a major factor. My concerns still center on his actual play at OSU.

For me, it's really a matter of placement. I just don't see Haskins as a top pick.
The narrative appears to be that conditioning doesn't matter  
Go Terps : 3/21/2019 8:56 pm : link
The Giants like Haskins? Conditioning doesn't matter. At the draft it will be, "The Giants passed on Haskins? Well he was out of shape so why risk it?" They could draft Shurmur's kid at 6 and there would be people here backing it up.

Haskins being out of shape isn't a narrative. It's the truth, and he's even backed that up himself.

If you want a narrative, implying that conditioning isn't critical for an NFL quarterback is a doozy of a narrative.
Call me primitive  
RomanWH : 3/21/2019 8:56 pm : link
But I'd rather have a QB who looks tired and can still throw accurately at the end of games versus a QB who has impeccable stamina but throws horribly inaccurate passes.

If anything, the Pro day performance strengthened my opinion of Haskins in showing the conditioning questions from the combine were overblown. Much like when Darnold threw in the rain last year.
If we can all agree that it's nitpicking...  
Dan in the Springs : 3/21/2019 8:57 pm : link
then yes - he was sweating pretty hard. Not sure I can go along with gassed.

I like the theory posted earlier by bw (I think?) that he let himself gain weight following the season. Didn't he weigh 231 at the combine but said he played at 221? Putting on 9 pounds of flab in a couple of months is much more of a concern to me than sweating at the pro day.

It's still not enough of a concern to drop him off the board though. You have to figure the Giants dieticians will help him get right. Lots of good athletes coming out need to transform their bodies entering the NFL and we know how a strength & conditioning program can help guys.

Also, at his age I also gained a lot of weight quickly. I'd always been fit and then my wife got pregnant and our whole diet was thrown out of wack for a time. Not having ever dealt with extra weight I didn't even realize what was happening to me until the weight was already on. Wouldn't be surprised if Haskins was the same way - didn't take his diet & conditioning seriously because he'd never had to. He'll do much better under the watch and care of the training staff.
RE: The narrative appears to be that conditioning doesn't matter  
arcarsenal : 3/21/2019 9:01 pm : link
In comment 14352349 Go Terps said:
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The Giants like Haskins? Conditioning doesn't matter. At the draft it will be, "The Giants passed on Haskins? Well he was out of shape so why risk it?" They could draft Shurmur's kid at 6 and there would be people here backing it up.

Haskins being out of shape isn't a narrative. It's the truth, and he's even backed that up himself.

If you want a narrative, implying that conditioning isn't critical for an NFL quarterback is a doozy of a narrative.


Again, show me someone - anyone who thought this was a problem on Saturdays at any point during the football season.

I'll wait.
RE: RE: The narrative appears to be that conditioning doesn't matter  
bw in dc : 3/21/2019 9:05 pm : link
In comment 14352354 arcarsenal said:
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Again, show me someone - anyone who thought this was a problem on Saturdays at any point during the football season.

I'll wait.


Well, hard to get tired at the ClubMed Horseshoe. ;)
Giants will have him for a visit where they will examine medically and  
GFAN52 : 3/21/2019 9:07 pm : link
I'm sure also look at his stamina/conditioning in addition to all the other tests they'll run him through. No sense in worrying until after they bring him in.
Conditioning matters to a reasonable point.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/21/2019 9:13 pm : link
For a pocket passer, what's the argument that it deserves a ton of attention. Everyone on this board has seen Eli Manning's beach photos. He looks like a math teacher.

Looking like he chases dinner with a six pack of Iron City Beer doesn't seem to have impacted Ben Roethlisberger's career.
It's ridiculous the amount of fitness needed to play QB in the NFL  
Zeke's Alibi : 3/21/2019 9:17 pm : link
is minimal unless you are a running QB which he isn't.
Ben would have called the workout after about the tenth ball  
Zeke's Alibi : 3/21/2019 9:18 pm : link
yesterday.
arc  
Go Terps : 3/21/2019 9:27 pm : link
Playing 13 games for Ohio State in the Big Ten usually against inferior competition ain't the NFL.

No one's saying the guy is going to keel over and die on the field, but fatigue can impact footwork (already an issue for him), technique, timing, and accuracy. We're talking about a pocket passer here... If that stuff starts to go in the fourth quarter or in December, it could impact his game dramatically.

I'd be surprised if they pick him.
RE: RE: RE: Why does it matter how  
Eman11 : 3/21/2019 9:31 pm : link
In comment 14352260 RobCarpenter said:
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In comment 14351920 joeinpa said:


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Many seasons a guy has played in college

Some of you want a ready made canít miss NFL quarterback and wonít be an advocate of drafting one until that guy is a available, good luck.



For me I'd like to see how he or any QB does when he plays a team for the 2nd time. Once a staff has played against a guy they have a better idea of how to attack him and conversely I'd like to see what adjustments the QB makes as well.



You mean like Michigan? He played them in 2017, see my post above.


Yeah, that's one in his favor. I still would like to see more than just one and should've been clearer in my post and not just limit it to playing one team twice.

That's not a knock on him though and he clearly did well when playing UM the second time, it's just I'd like to see more of him or any QB for that matter playing teams again. I'm a big believer in experience especially at QB and while it's not a deal breaker for me, it's definitely something I'd really like to have when drafting one.

RE: arc  
arcarsenal : 3/21/2019 10:04 pm : link
In comment 14352387 Go Terps said:
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Playing 13 games for Ohio State in the Big Ten usually against inferior competition ain't the NFL.

No one's saying the guy is going to keel over and die on the field, but fatigue can impact footwork (already an issue for him), technique, timing, and accuracy. We're talking about a pocket passer here... If that stuff starts to go in the fourth quarter or in December, it could impact his game dramatically.

I'd be surprised if they pick him.


Right, but none of this stuff came up at any point during the season. Literally zero questions regarding his conditioning that I had seen until this became a "thing" yesterday - during a pro day.

If this was a topic during his actual playing time @ OSU, I'd give it more attention. But I really can't find anything from before yesterday that cited it as something anyone was even remotely worried about.

It feels like something being manufactured here by people who just don't want the Giants to draft him more than anything else.

Are you going to hold the same strikes against Tua because he plays for Alabama and they beat up on a lot of inferior competition? It's not Haskins' fault he dominated in the Big 10.

Michigan's defense was legit and Haskins shredded the shit out of them.

Everyone loves Murray and he played in a conference where basically no one even plays defense at all. Mayfield came from the same program... he seemed to do quite well as a rookie.

The competition points seem to only come up when convenient. I don't think he could possibly have done more than 50 TD's and 70%+ in his first year.

Maybe we won't take him. I have no idea what the Giants will do.

I'm good with it if they take him @ 6, but I'm not going to give up on the entire season or throw a fit if they don't.
arc...  
bw in dc : 3/21/2019 10:15 pm : link
Here's the issue - getting prepared for the stretch into the draft, one of the biggest moments of his life, Haskins admittedly let himself go. And then he scrambled to get it right for his Pro Day.

He self-corrected, but it certainly looked like is crammed for a test to get there.

So maybe it's a one-off moment, and this will be nothing and vanish. But it's worth discussing why one of the seemingly top players in the draft got lazy and lost his focus...
I personally think the 1 year concern is fair w/ both Murray + Haskins  
Eric on Li : 3/21/2019 10:37 pm : link
each played 14-15 games. Maybe 1/3 of those games were against solid competition where they weren't favored by more than 10 points. And maybe once or twice they were even underdogs. The more tape that gets out there, especially when there's a full offseason to study that tape, things get a lot harder. And it goes without saying year 1 in the NFL they are going to be underdogs literally 10+ times.

I say this as someone who likes Haskins and wouldn't be disappointed if we got him. As someone else said, if he went back to school and put up another huge year he'd be the #1 overall pick next year and draw comparisons to Brees. So there's upside that comes with the risk and I trust that Gettleman/Shurmur aren't going to force a pick here. That's why it's good that we still have Eli around, but that's another story.

I actually think Murray is the riskier prospect, though his athleticism has more upside I suppose. But he was thoroughly overmatched in that Alabama game. And the Mayfield comp doesn't fully hold up for me because Mayfield started 40 games over 3 years, put up consistent numbers, and didn't rely nearly as much on his legs. He played great on the big stage his last year. And he was still far from a sure thing. Most people thought Darnold was going #1 up until the day of the draft. Murray has a ton of ability but also a ton of risk. More athletic than Mayfield sure. But more athletic very rarely translates meaningfully into being a great QB.
Fairly sure we can find concerns in every QB  
Jimmy Googs : 3/21/2019 11:21 pm : link
except Eli naturally.

Letís just stay the course,,,
Eric  
Johnny5 : 3/21/2019 11:24 pm : link
I disagree on Murray being overmatched against Alabama. Alabama played GREAT defense that day and they shut him down in the 1st half, but they couldn't stop him in the 2nd half. He willed 34 pts on that defense and put them back into the game pretty much by himself. The guy is a competitor that's for sure. And it seemed like the only other person that came to play on that OK offense besides Murray was Lamb. They had no running game (other than Murray) and Brown had an AWFUL game. That game was a great view into Murray, because you saw the pressure and great coverage keep him in check, you saw him take a pounding and get rattled, and then come back and drop 34 pts on a damn good college defense that was trying to knock him around. That game sold me on him as an NFL QB.

But as I said before, I don't necessarily dislike Haskins. I have a feeling we aren't picking either of these two but I don't stress over who the Giants pick. I root for the pick and the player as long as they are a Giant or until they prove they don't deserve it.
RE: Fairly sure we can find concerns in every QB  
Johnny5 : 3/21/2019 11:25 pm : link
In comment 14352475 Jimmy Googs said:
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except Eli naturally.

Letís just stay the course,,,

Oh geezus will you stop... lol
Is sweating...  
Brown_Hornet : 3/22/2019 12:46 am : link
...the same a suckling wind?
I'm going to nitpick  
montanagiant : 3/22/2019 1:49 am : link
He just does not come across as a QB that has "IT". I see Jamis Winston 2.0 and I shudder to think there are fans demanding we trade up to get the guy.

just my honest opinion
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arcarsenal : 3/22/2019 8:16 am : link
Well, he's black... and not mobile... so, Winston is a great comp!

Very similar numbers here, too...



We can also ignore the part where Haskins' football IQ trumps Winston's by a mile, the part where he has a better arm, is more accurate, throws far less picks, and has a much better character.
To add context..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 3/22/2019 8:29 am : link
to the concerns about a guy playing one one season - it isn't a hard and fast rule, nor should it be.

What historical data shows is that QB's with less than 18 starts, compared to similarly ranked peers perform worse than them the vast majority of the time. They also have a much higher failure rate in the NFL

There have been notable examples who have bucked this trend, but it really should serve as a way to put more scrutiny behind the pick.

It isn't an end-all.be-all - it is just a red flag that needs to be acknowledged
RE: To add context..  
Gatorade Dunk : 3/22/2019 9:20 am : link
In comment 14352604 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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to the concerns about a guy playing one one season - it isn't a hard and fast rule, nor should it be.

What historical data shows is that QB's with less than 18 starts, compared to similarly ranked peers perform worse than them the vast majority of the time. They also have a much higher failure rate in the NFL

There have been notable examples who have bucked this trend, but it really should serve as a way to put more scrutiny behind the pick.

It isn't an end-all.be-all - it is just a red flag that needs to be acknowledged

I think that's fair. There's certainly more volatility that comes with having a smaller sample size from which to draw analyses and conclusions, so I would expect that the bust risk is increased. What it's not, IMO, is an indicator that a player is more likely to bust, just that the risk that he might is greater, and that's perfectly logical when you think about it:

If a player has only one season of starting experience and it's mediocre, he's not going to get drafted anyway - he'll either go back to school (if he has eligibility remaining) or end up as a UDFA (or maybe a late round pick if his athletic potential might warrant a flyer). In either case, he's unlikely to be on fans' radar as a potential disappointment. He basically has nothing but upside relative to his draft value. But a player who has one great season and is drafted off of that, especially a QB, is likely to be a relatively high draft pick.

High draft picks in general carry with them a higher expectation, so it follows that there is more room along the spectrum where an otherwise solid player might be considered a disappointment relative to draft slot. Players with multiple seasons of experience at the college level give teams more opportunity to draft them in their proper range, so some of that upside/downside volatility is mitigated.

All of which is to say, it's naive to pretend that there isn't SOME additional risk with a player like Haskins or Murray who have less experience and less tape to evaluate. There's absolutely a chance that the one superb season was a flash in the pan. But that's where the rest of the player evaluation model becomes that much more important. How coachable is the player? What's his work ethic and football intellect like? Was his great season the culmination of a development trend that bore fruit when he finally got his opportunity, or is he a fortunate cog in an otherwise successful machine?

Those are incredibly important considerations, and we'll have to trust that if the Giants believe that Haskins (or Murray, or even Quinnen Williams, who also has only one great season of tape but not a QB) is the guy, then they're satisfied internally with their answers to those questions.
RE: The narrative appears to be that conditioning doesn't matter  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 3/22/2019 10:58 am : link
In comment 14352349 Go Terps said:
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The Giants like Haskins? Conditioning doesn't matter. At the draft it will be, "The Giants passed on Haskins? Well he was out of shape so why risk it?" They could draft Shurmur's kid at 6 and there would be people here backing it up.

Haskins being out of shape isn't a narrative. It's the truth, and he's even backed that up himself.

If you want a narrative, implying that conditioning isn't critical for an NFL quarterback is a doozy of a narrative.


You seem to be completely unaware of the fact that you do the same damn thing that you accuse everyone else of; you grab should of anything that suits your chosen narrative.

You are no different. Get over yourself.
The other factor..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 3/22/2019 12:03 pm : link
that many personnel people believe impacts the one season discussion is that it isn't that large of a sample size to start to find some consistent trends or flaws on film, both from a scouting standpoint and from an adjustment standpoint that opposing college D's might have used to stop the player.

Especially if the QB is coming from a powerhouse where it is often difficult to tell if it is the player or the system (it also applies to small school guys too).
Can we..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 3/22/2019 12:05 pm : link
get some examples of this?

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If you want a narrative, implying that conditioning isn't critical for an NFL quarterback is a doozy of a narrative.


Are there really concerns every year about QB prospects as to if they are well-conditioned?

This almost seems to be a fabricated negative. Maybe even strike the almost part
Watching tge UW  
Now Mike in MD : 3/22/2019 12:07 pm : link
Game i was struck by how many of his passes were at or behind the LOS. He got a lot of yards by his receivers making guys miss. Was that a regular staple of OSUs offense?
Meyer's teams..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 3/22/2019 12:11 pm : link
have run a variety of different screens as a regular part of the offense.
RE: Can we..  
Go Terps : 3/22/2019 12:13 pm : link
In comment 14352945 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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get some examples of this?



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If you want a narrative, implying that conditioning isn't critical for an NFL quarterback is a doozy of a narrative.



Are there really concerns every year about QB prospects as to if they are well-conditioned?

This almost seems to be a fabricated negative. Maybe even strike the almost part


It usually doesn't come up because first round considerations at QB are rarely as chubby as Haskins. Actually, quarterback draft prospects in any round are rarely as chubby as he is.

So it begs the question, why did he enter the draft process chubby?
I wondered what GT would hitch his wagon to  
figgy2989 : 3/22/2019 12:17 pm : link
once Beckham was gone. It appears that Haskins is up.

Of course, where GT goes, soon bw will appear.
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arcarsenal : 3/22/2019 12:20 pm : link
Since when does this qualify as "chubby" ?



I even saw a poster this morning say he's a "fat QB"

Weird takes, man.
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Amtoft : 3/22/2019 12:26 pm : link
In comment 14352975 arcarsenal said:
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Since when does this qualify as "chubby" ?



I even saw a poster this morning say he's a "fat QB"

Weird takes, man.


He was heavy at the combine. He even said as much. It is a worry but you see him working now and clearly getting in shape and it doesn't bother me as much.
RE: I wondered what GT would hitch his wagon to  
Go Terps : 3/22/2019 12:38 pm : link
In comment 14352967 figgy2989 said:
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once Beckham was gone. It appears that Haskins is up.

Of course, where GT goes, soon bw will appear.


I thought this thread was about concerns around Haskins.
He's like a dog with a bone on this  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/22/2019 12:40 pm : link
once he gets a taste of a narrative to bite the player's ruined forever.
Dog with a bone?  
Go Terps : 3/22/2019 12:43 pm : link
I don't care that much, because we're not drafting him.
RE: Dog with a bone?  
Amtoft : 3/22/2019 12:51 pm : link
In comment 14353012 Go Terps said:
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I don't care that much, because we're not drafting him.


Haskins is very likely and we would be lucky to have him. He is legit. To me Murray and Haskins are the only top QBs in this draft.
RE: RE: Dog with a bone?  
Go Terps : 3/22/2019 12:54 pm : link
In comment 14353030 Amtoft said:
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In comment 14353012 Go Terps said:


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I don't care that much, because we're not drafting him.



Haskins is very likely and we would be lucky to have him. He is legit. To me Murray and Haskins are the only top QBs in this draft.


Based on the chatter we've heard from jtgiants, JonC, and others, I don't see us taking a QB at 6. And if we do, I think Jones is more likely - and to be clear I don't want them to pick Jones either.

It just doesn't make sense if we're committed to Eli this year.
RE: RE: RE: Dog with a bone?  
Amtoft : 3/22/2019 12:57 pm : link
In comment 14353035 Go Terps said:
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In comment 14353030 Amtoft said:


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In comment 14353012 Go Terps said:


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I don't care that much, because we're not drafting him.



Haskins is very likely and we would be lucky to have him. He is legit. To me Murray and Haskins are the only top QBs in this draft.



Based on the chatter we've heard from jtgiants, JonC, and others, I don't see us taking a QB at 6. And if we do, I think Jones is more likely - and to be clear I don't want them to pick Jones either.

It just doesn't make sense if we're committed to Eli this year.


That makes zero sense. DG said he wants to do the KC route of bringing in a QB and having him sit. The fact we aren't extending Eli should show we are going QB early in this draft and I would bet if Haskins is there we take him. I wouldn't be shocked with a trade up.

In fact I will say there is no way we can come out of this draft without a future QB. Next year who is our QB? If they wanted Eli he would be signed longer. That is the Giants way.
RE: RE: Can we..  
Gatorade Dunk : 3/22/2019 1:18 pm : link
In comment 14352959 Go Terps said:
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In comment 14352945 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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get some examples of this?



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If you want a narrative, implying that conditioning isn't critical for an NFL quarterback is a doozy of a narrative.



Are there really concerns every year about QB prospects as to if they are well-conditioned?

This almost seems to be a fabricated negative. Maybe even strike the almost part



It usually doesn't come up because first round considerations at QB are rarely as chubby as Haskins. Actually, quarterback draft prospects in any round are rarely as chubby as he is.

So it begs the question, why did he enter the draft process chubby?

Here's another QB that people considered chubby at the combine:

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