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From Dave-Te...Giants Doing Homework on Jaylon Ferguson

nflscouting : 3/21/2019 1:16 pm
They wined & dined him & were very impressed with his workout. As a true pass rusher, his hands are great, BUT, oh boy, look at those absences in regards to lateral agility. His shuttles were very bad;

SACK ARTIST JAYLON FERGUSON POSSESSES THE BEST HANDS IN THIS GROUP
Jaylon Ferguson-#45
Louisiana Tech Bulldogs
6:4.6-271
Agility Tests...4.79 in the 40-yard dash…1.69 10-yard dash…2.75 20-yard dash…5.12 20-yard shuttle…8.08 three-cone drill…33-inch vertical jump…9'-09" broad jump…Bench pressed 225 pounds 24 times…34-inch arm length…10-inch hands…79-inch wingspan.
Note...Ferguson was not allowed to work out at the NFL Scouting Combine and his figures are from the school's recent Pro Day.
College Career...In 51 games at Louisiana Tech, Ferguson started 43 times at strong-side defensive end, recording 187 tackles (111 solos) that included 45.0 sacks for minus 287 yards, 66.5 stops for losses of 340 yards and 24 quarterback pressures. He caused eight fumbles, recovering four others, as he deflected seven passes and blocked two kicks.

Background...The major college's record-holder with 45.0 sacks, he topped the previous FBS mark of 44.0 sacks by Terrell Suggs of Arizona State (2000-02). The only other FBS player to post at least forty sacks during a career was Arkansas State's Ja'Von Rolland-Jones (43.5; 2014-17). Ferguson broke that record with 2.5 sacks in his final collegiate game - a win over Hawaii in the 2018 SoFi Hawaii Bowl. His 17.5 sacks in 2018 broke the school and Conference USA season record and rank seventh in NCAA annals.
Ferguson's 66.5 tackles-for-loss are other Louisiana Tech and league records, ranking fourth in FBS history behind Jason Babin of Western Michigan (75.0; 2000-03), Khalil Mack of Buffalo (75.0; 2010-13) and George Selvie of South Florida (69.0; 2006-09), moving past Aaron Donald of Pittsburgh (66.0; 2010-13).
One of the most coveted recruits in the South while attending West Feliciana High School, Ferguson lettered four times in both football and basketball. He received all-state honors and was an East all-star his senior year while garnering district and metro MVP honors in addition to his all-metro and all-district honors. He decided to remain in-state, enrolling at Louisiana Tech in 2015.
After sitting out his first season in college, Ferguson started five of twelve games during the 2016 campaign. He totaled 35 tackles (22 solos) on the year with a team-high 15 tackles for loss, tying for the team lead with six sacks while also recording two forced fumbles. He had a career day at UTSA in first career start, recording seven tackles (five solo, two assisted), two sacks and four tackles for loss.
Starting every game in 2017, Ferguson set the school season-record with 14.5 sacks (old record was set in 1986), which ranked third in the nation that campaign. He posted 49 tackles (27 solos), with a team-high 16.0 tackles for loss, earning All-Conference USA recognition. He would elevate to All-American status as a senior, as the league's 2018 Defensive Player of the Year broke league standards with 17.5 sacks. He registered 64 tackles, with 26.0 stops behind the line of scrimmage, another school and conference mark.

The Scouting Report
Athletic Ability...Ferguson has a solid, yet angular frame, but shows good upper and lower body muscle definition. He is most comfortable playing a 260-265 pounds, but has added bulk since the end of the 2018 season and feels that he has the frame that can carry additional bulk (will basically build to suit, depending if he is asked to play 3-4 linebacker or 4-3 rush end). He has a good bubble, quadriceps and calves, long arms, broad shoulders and tight waist.
Ferguson comes off the snap with good explosion. He has the athletic burst from the edge to surprise a slower blocker and shows a quick stride closing in the backfield. He runs with good body lean, but does have obvious hip stiffness for a defensive end. He also does not show the hip snap you look for in a linebacker and could struggle getting good depth in his pass drops, as a result, if moved to a stand-up position. He has just marginal lateral agility working down the line, relying more on his straight-line burst to angle to the quarterback. Still, for a defensive end, he shows quickness, good foot speed, fine balance, but only marginal change of direction skills. He generates a good push off the Xs on the pass rush, but is not the type that will leverage. He is a swift-moving player into the backfield, but not as good when working his way down the line.
Pursuit Skills...Ferguson shows good snap anticipation and wrap-up tackling technique, using his arms well (hands and arms are his best weapons) to try and dislodge the quarterback or runner from the ball. He is very alert to backside movement, but does have problems reacting to blocking schemes when working in-line, as he can be tripped up by low blocks. He needs to avoid double team activity, as he lacks the hip swerve to split or escape in a crowd. He does play with a good motor, but has to perform with better discipline, as he does not have the loose hips to recover when he out-runs the play. He shows better instincts and awareness coming off the edge than when working inside the box, but struggles some locating the ball in pass coverage. He has a keen nose for the ball in pursuit, but has to show that he can readily adjust on the move playing down the line.
Strength at the Point of Attack…Ferguson shows good explosion and suddenness coming off the snap. He closes with a quick burst and is very comfortable working in space. His speed coming off the edge will generally surprise an offensive tackle. He shows good bend coming off the corner and keeps his hands active, while displaying the quick feet to execute double moves. He has good playing strength, but is not the type that can stack and control in isolated situations. He generates very good pop with his hands, but is best when he tries to slip past tackles rather than engaging. Hand Usage...This is his best asset. Ferguson shows good hand usage to press, lock out and keep separation when trying to disengage from tight ends or lead blockers. He has the long arms to protect his legs from low blocks on the corner, but for some reason, loses sight of the same type of blocker when working in-line. He is quick to get his hands on the tight ends in attempts to reroute. He does a good job of stepping up and taking on the lead block, but reverts to giving a shoulder, causing him to get washed out of the play. When he gets good hand placement, he can control, get off the block and attack the ball.
Tackling Ability...Ferguson is an efficient wrap-up tackler who has the long reach-around agility to dislodge runners from the ball. He will square up and wrap, generating good explosion taking out the outside leg of a runner. He just struggles to shed when taking on bigger blockers. He wraps up and makes secure tackles on the move. He has the functional strength to drag down the ball carrier working on the outside and when he collides with the opponent, he hits with a thud. He does a good job of maintaining his base when meeting blockers head on, but when he leaves his chest open, the larger blockers can stymie him.
Run Defense...When Ferguson keeps his pads down, he can get under and around the blocker with ease. When he gets erect his stance and drops his hands, he is quickly engulfed. He has the burst to wreak havoc in the backfield and the speed to take the wide loop needed to avoid, but if he thinks he is going to win physical battles with an offensive lineman, he is soon defeated. He has good stacking ability vs. smaller blockers, but offensive lineman have great success containing him, once they get a piece of his jersey.
Pass Rush Ability...Ferguson’s explosive first step gets him most of his success as a pass rusher. He comes off the snap with suddenness and when he gets a clear lane, can zero in on the quarter-back in an instant. He has enough balance to sift out the screens and can get to the flat. Because of hip stiffness (5.12 20-yard shuttle, 8.08 three-cone drill is the worst for any down lineman in this draft - end or tackle), he struggles too much shooting the gaps, as he lacks spin moves to beat the double team (uses just a rip move there). If not for marginal hip snap and just adequate change of direction agility, he would be an ideal outside backer in a 3-4 due to his blitzing and pass rush ability off the edge. He runs with a quick burst to close on the quarterback and shows very good timing to get a jump on the blitz. His quickness and athletic agility lets him flush the quarterback out of the pocket and he shows good urgency getting to the ball. Because he lacks ideal hip swerve, he needs to develop a much better array of moves (swim, spin) to get leverage.
Compares To...Cameron Jordan-New Orleans Saints...Some scouts liken him more to the other Saints' pass rusher, Marcus Davenport, but Ferguson has much better hand grab/placement skills.
There is one area of concern - his lack of hip flexibility. As you can see from his shuttle and three-cone drills, he does not have even decent numbers for a down lineman. He has good straight-line suddenness, but does not have the body torque or hip snap to suddenly redirect working down the line than he can when just firing off the edge. He gets too tall and erect when trying to change direction, as he lacks fluidity in his hips. When he uses his hands, he can get balance to thread through traffic.

Do these guys with stiff hips ever work out?  
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He might be in the conversation at 37  
The_Boss : 3/21/2019 1:18 pm : link
I doubt he’s worth #17
17? 37?  
battttles : 3/21/2019 1:20 pm : link
He's borderline undraftable after that workout.
Brown Recluse  
nflscouting : 3/21/2019 1:21 pm : link
Well, Bruce Irvin had the same issue & so did Leslie O'Neal, BUT, how much do you put on your draft table for a situational guy? I'm breaking down film on him vs. the run & while I see very good wrapup technique, most plays are in front of him, very rare to see long pursuit, unless taking an edge into the backfield. When the dust settles later today, I'm going into my Combine archives to run up his shuttle & 3-cone numbers. Much like when I look in the mirror, I expect that research to not be pretty!
If Giants go Non-ER at 6  
Pan-handler : 3/21/2019 1:25 pm : link
I totally believe he is the pick at 17. Shades of small school JPP at 15. But more upside and production here.
One scout trick  
nflscouting : 3/21/2019 1:25 pm : link
If a team spends extra time wining & dining a guy, they have interest. There is no need to take a guy out just to have a free meal. Me? I see him as a late Day 2 type, draft wise, but its like dating - each of us has our own different perks & tastes we like in someone. Those sack numbers don't lie & you can see on film he has those Simeon Rice-like long arms. The best trait anyone wants in a great pass rusher are hands. Pull up youtube, watch the way he uses those hands to slingshot a QB to the ground. Against the run? Not loving him on film. Getting to the QB? Yum, yum, eat 'em up.
RE: Brown Recluse  
Brown Recluse : 3/21/2019 1:27 pm : link
In comment 14351553 nflscouting said:
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Well, Bruce Irvin had the same issue & so did Leslie O'Neal, BUT, how much do you put on your draft table for a situational guy? I'm breaking down film on him vs. the run & while I see very good wrapup technique, most plays are in front of him, very rare to see long pursuit, unless taking an edge into the backfield. When the dust settles later today, I'm going into my Combine archives to run up his shuttle & 3-cone numbers. Much like when I look in the mirror, I expect that research to not be pretty!


thats basically what I thought. Not very many. If I recall, this was the same issue with Owamagbe Odighizuwa. He was supposed to be the next Justin Tuck, except that Justin Tuck was often referred to by Osi as "gumby" because of how great he was at bending his hips, and also not losing his balance.
Suggs the guy who he broke his sack record  
Pan-handler : 3/21/2019 1:29 pm : link
at close to 10 lbs less also tested horribly and didnt even run the 3 cone.

There is a place where tape and insane production can transcend the measurables. I think the tape and production do that in the case of Jaylon.
RE: If Giants go Non-ER at 6  
AcidTest : 3/21/2019 1:30 pm : link
In comment 14351560 Pan-handler said:
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I totally believe he is the pick at 17. Shades of small school JPP at 15. But more upside and production here.


Agreed. i think he's the pick at #17, maybe even if they take someone like Gary at #6. Then get a RT at #37.
RE: One scout trick  
Pan-handler : 3/21/2019 1:31 pm : link
In comment 14351562 nflscouting said:
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If a team spends extra time wining & dining a guy, they have interest. There is no need to take a guy out just to have a free meal. Me? I see him as a late Day 2 type, draft wise, but its like dating - each of us has our own different perks & tastes we like in someone. Those sack numbers don't lie & you can see on film he has those Simeon Rice-like long arms. The best trait anyone wants in a great pass rusher are hands. Pull up youtube, watch the way he uses those hands to slingshot a QB to the ground. Against the run? Not loving him on film. Getting to the QB? Yum, yum, eat 'em up.


Yup, right or wrong this is the hugh upside ER guy they want outside of #6.

Have you heard any peeps on Greedy Williams for the Giants or more news on Haskins?
RE: 17? 37?  
RAIN : 3/21/2019 1:35 pm : link
In comment 14351550 battttles said:
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He's borderline undraftable after that workout.


Yes, because people are drafted exclusively based on their combine. Game tape > combine.
RE: Suggs the guy who he broke his sack record  
Amtoft : 3/21/2019 1:38 pm : link
In comment 14351570 Pan-handler said:
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at close to 10 lbs less also tested horribly and didnt even run the 3 cone.

There is a place where tape and insane production can transcend the measurables. I think the tape and production do that in the case of Jaylon.


I guarantee you Suggs didn't come close to an over 8 second 3cone. Just because someone has a slower 40 time has nothing to do with hips and bending which Suggs did very well.

Again I went through some of the combine scores where times are usually slower and I found only 1 3cone higher than 8 seconds, but still better than Ferguson and that 336 lb NG Daylon Mack.

Also 10 of his 17.5 sacks came in 3 games against North Texas, Texas-El Paso, and Hawaii.

I then watched his Mississippi state game. It was his only competition he had any good stats again. He had one sack which was a coverage sack where he snipped his ankle and one sack where he used his power and blew up the RT for a nice sack. The rest of the game he was not only controlled, but even super slow or just jogging around. No hustle at all.

This guy is not going to make it in the NFL. Maybe he if bulks up to 290+ lbs and moves to a 3-4 DE or a DT he maybe able to make it.
RE: RE: If Giants go Non-ER at 6  
Pan-handler : 3/21/2019 1:40 pm : link
In comment 14351574 AcidTest said:
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I totally believe he is the pick at 17. Shades of small school JPP at 15. But more upside and production here.



Agreed. i think he's the pick at #17, maybe even if they take someone like Gary at #6. Then get a RT at #37.


If you are looking hard enough, you will see the top guys they have shown the most interest in.

Its Haskins, Jaylon, Cody Ford. If all goes according to plan they will try for those 3 guys likely in that order. Cody might need a trade up and maybe Haskins too. Hence the Raider rumor.
RE: RE: Suggs the guy who he broke his sack record  
Pan-handler : 3/21/2019 1:42 pm : link
In comment 14351594 Amtoft said:
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at close to 10 lbs less also tested horribly and didnt even run the 3 cone.

There is a place where tape and insane production can transcend the measurables. I think the tape and production do that in the case of Jaylon.



I guarantee you Suggs didn't come close to an over 8 second 3cone. Just because someone has a slower 40 time has nothing to do with hips and bending which Suggs did very well.

Again I went through some of the combine scores where times are usually slower and I found only 1 3cone higher than 8 seconds, but still better than Ferguson and that 336 lb NG Daylon Mack.

Also 10 of his 17.5 sacks came in 3 games against North Texas, Texas-El Paso, and Hawaii.

I then watched his Mississippi state game. It was his only competition he had any good stats again. He had one sack which was a coverage sack where he snipped his ankle and one sack where he used his power and blew up the RT for a nice sack. The rest of the game he was not only controlled, but even super slow or just jogging around. No hustle at all.

This guy is not going to make it in the NFL. Maybe he if bulks up to 290+ lbs and moves to a 3-4 DE or a DT he maybe able to make it.


Giants bulked up Tuck. Yes I get Tuck had better hips. But Fergy has some other excellent attributes and the tape is better than you give it credit for. He is the ALL-Time NCAA sack guy for a reason.
RE: RE: RE: Suggs the guy who he broke his sack record  
Amtoft : 3/21/2019 1:43 pm : link
In comment 14351600 Pan-handler said:
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at close to 10 lbs less also tested horribly and didnt even run the 3 cone.

There is a place where tape and insane production can transcend the measurables. I think the tape and production do that in the case of Jaylon.



I guarantee you Suggs didn't come close to an over 8 second 3cone. Just because someone has a slower 40 time has nothing to do with hips and bending which Suggs did very well.

Again I went through some of the combine scores where times are usually slower and I found only 1 3cone higher than 8 seconds, but still better than Ferguson and that 336 lb NG Daylon Mack.

Also 10 of his 17.5 sacks came in 3 games against North Texas, Texas-El Paso, and Hawaii.

I then watched his Mississippi state game. It was his only competition he had any good stats again. He had one sack which was a coverage sack where he snipped his ankle and one sack where he used his power and blew up the RT for a nice sack. The rest of the game he was not only controlled, but even super slow or just jogging around. No hustle at all.

This guy is not going to make it in the NFL. Maybe he if bulks up to 290+ lbs and moves to a 3-4 DE or a DT he maybe able to make it.



Giants bulked up Tuck. Yes I get Tuck had better hips. But Fergy has some other excellent attributes and the tape is better than you give it credit for. He is the ALL-Time NCAA sack guy for a reason.


Tell me the game he had better tape against actual competition?
RE: Suggs the guy who he broke his sack record  
BlueLou'sBack : 3/21/2019 1:47 pm : link
In comment 14351570 Pan-handler said:
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at close to 10 lbs less also tested horribly and didnt even run the 3 cone.

There is a place where tape and insane production can transcend the measureables. I think the tape and production do that in the case of Jaylon.


Please link Suggs "terrible" tests. I recall a blazing 40 YD from Suggs, maybe it was at pro day after bad combine? I really don't recall him testing poorly at all, just the opposite!
Sy likes him  
BigBlue2112 : 3/21/2019 1:49 pm : link
David Syvertsen
‏@Ourlads_Sy Mar 19 More
Guys.....Jaylon Ferguson is the ALL TIME NCAA SACK LEADER.

Come on. It was a bad 3 cone...thats it. Watch the tape.

If you haven't already done so, check out Sy's twitter. Outstanding stuff. Hope he doesn't mind me posting his tweet here.
Suggs tested very poorly even when he re-ran.  
Zeke's Alibi : 3/21/2019 1:51 pm : link
That being said he never did a 3 cone and that is waaaay more concerning for a pas rusher. When you see a time like that I first thought he did it on grass.
RE: RE: RE: If Giants go Non-ER at 6  
Amtoft : 3/21/2019 1:52 pm : link
In comment 14351596 Pan-handler said:
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I totally believe he is the pick at 17. Shades of small school JPP at 15. But more upside and production here.



Agreed. i think he's the pick at #17, maybe even if they take someone like Gary at #6. Then get a RT at #37.



If you are looking hard enough, you will see the top guys they have shown the most interest in.

Its Haskins, Jaylon, Cody Ford. If all goes according to plan they will try for those 3 guys likely in that order. Cody might need a trade up and maybe Haskins too. Hence the Raider rumor.


I am not sure why you are so obsessed with this marginal player. No way he gets picked early. Since 2005 can you name the top 5 sack leaders? How about just second with 42 sacks only 3 less than Jaylon. It is Ja'Von Rolland-Jones who was in last years draft. He went undrafted after running a 7.53 3 cone and 4.65 SS.

Should we go sign him also?
RE: RE: Suggs the guy who he broke his sack record  
AcidTest : 3/21/2019 1:54 pm : link
In comment 14351594 Amtoft said:
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at close to 10 lbs less also tested horribly and didnt even run the 3 cone.

There is a place where tape and insane production can transcend the measurables. I think the tape and production do that in the case of Jaylon.



I guarantee you Suggs didn't come close to an over 8 second 3cone. Just because someone has a slower 40 time has nothing to do with hips and bending which Suggs did very well.

Again I went through some of the combine scores where times are usually slower and I found only 1 3cone higher than 8 seconds, but still better than Ferguson and that 336 lb NG Daylon Mack.

Also 10 of his 17.5 sacks came in 3 games against North Texas, Texas-El Paso, and Hawaii.

I then watched his Mississippi state game. It was his only competition he had any good stats again. He had one sack which was a coverage sack where he snipped his ankle and one sack where he used his power and blew up the RT for a nice sack. The rest of the game he was not only controlled, but even super slow or just jogging around. No hustle at all.

This guy is not going to make it in the NFL. Maybe he if bulks up to 290+ lbs and moves to a 3-4 DE or a DT he maybe able to make it.


This is one reason why I would not take Ferguson at #17. He also has some character concerns, and has stated that he doesn't want to play in cold weather. But I think the Giants will take him at #17.
RE: RE: RE: Suggs the guy who he broke his sack record  
Brown Recluse : 3/21/2019 1:55 pm : link
In comment 14351600 Pan-handler said:
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He is the ALL-Time NCAA sack guy for a reason.


Look at the list of NCAA all time sack leaders and tell me how many haven't done much of anything in the NFL.

Its no more significant with regards to NFL sucess than any other statistic.
Suggs Combine ##  
MojoEd : 3/21/2019 1:55 pm : link
4.84 40 and 19 reps. Google is your friend! :)
RE: Suggs Combine ##  
Amtoft : 3/21/2019 2:23 pm : link
In comment 14351628 MojoEd said:
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4.84 40 and 19 reps. Google is your friend! :)


By the way... Suggs put up those numbers at a power 5 school. He didn't have 10 sacks against Hawaii, Texas-El Paso, and North Texas.
I think the Giants are looking at him  
edavisiii : 3/21/2019 3:20 pm : link
on day 2. After all, there pass rush is more than one person away from being good again. Hey, they are doing their job by checking everyone out. I got the impression that Reese and Ross were not as thorough as they could have been
Haskins  
nflscouting : 3/21/2019 3:41 pm : link
They liked what they saw, but boy oh boy, that sleeper WR keeps catching their attention, so much so, Johnny Dixon got a free meal to sit down & talk with NYG brass after the workout. NE has tabbed the kid Day 2 & I think a lot of WR coaches are liking him better than even Campbell based on the crowd in the film room yesterday. That is what I love about Pro Days - the try-hard types get noticed
SUGGS  
nflscouting : 3/21/2019 3:47 pm : link
Outside of 31 reps, Suggs did not work out in Indy.
On Pro Day, he was 6 3/8-268, did a 4.32 20-shuttle/7.53 3-cone in 2003
Suggs  
nflscouting : 3/21/2019 3:48 pm : link
those numbers are from the official report provided to me from the league office. Google has it wrong
Dave  
ryanmkeane : 3/21/2019 3:59 pm : link
almost nobody has Dixon rated higher than Campbell. Where are you hearing that?
I really like his brother, Jazz  
Anakim : 3/21/2019 4:01 pm : link
Some character concerns, but what a talent
RE: Suggs  
MojoEd : 3/21/2019 4:03 pm : link
In comment 14351882 nflscouting said:
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those numbers are from the official report provided to me from the league office. Google has it wrong

Thanks! BIG difference. My world is shook if I can’t trust Google (sigh).
RE: Dave  
Amtoft : 3/21/2019 4:26 pm : link
In comment 14351917 ryanmkeane said:
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almost nobody has Dixon rated higher than Campbell. Where are you hearing that?


Dixon has extreme talent he just hasn't been healthy. Because of that he is probably a little raw.
RyanMKeane  
nflscouting : 3/21/2019 5:40 pm : link
I DID NOT say Dixon is rated ahead of Campbell. I said the Giants liked him better, but anyone knows Campbell goes Day 2, possibly one. Apples & Oranges. You look at needs & maybe the Giants think Campbell will be gone before they get around to a WR. Rush end, QB, ROT, seems to be more pressing needs. It's like going to a bar. A girl who is a 10 won't give you the time of day. A girl who is a 7 winks at you - waste money & effort on a 10 or see if there is better value later in a 7. Safe bet?
Amtoft-DIXON  
nflscouting : 3/21/2019 5:44 pm : link
Yes, hammys set him back for 2 years, but in the last 2? 60 receptions & 16 TDs. Just an FYI-he was a 5-star recruit, you don't lose that if you get healthy. Raw? Dude, he was one of three voted the best route runners at the Combine & look at those routes & catches on Pro Day. Might I remind folks that few knew of Antonio Brown when he came out. That is the scouting hidden element - find those about to come out of a cocoon.
MojoEd-GOOGLE  
nflscouting : 3/21/2019 5:47 pm : link
They do a nice job there, but understand, like sports reference, numbers are obtained by the media & they secure it. The official NFL Scouting Combine folders sent to teams also provide pro day tests. Suggs said "later folks" at Indy & then put on his show at ASU. I'm not knocking Ferguson, but everything is a straight-line blast to the QB & he excels at it. Just don't look for him going sideways to chase down a ball carrier. The only number that really matters is what gets tallied in the win/loss column
RE: Amtoft-DIXON  
Amtoft : 3/21/2019 5:50 pm : link
In comment 14352129 nflscouting said:
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Yes, hammys set him back for 2 years, but in the last 2? 60 receptions & 16 TDs. Just an FYI-he was a 5-star recruit, you don't lose that if you get healthy. Raw? Dude, he was one of three voted the best route runners at the Combine & look at those routes & catches on Pro Day. Might I remind folks that few knew of Antonio Brown when he came out. That is the scouting hidden element - find those about to come out of a cocoon.


It isn't just that. He has constantly been dinged up and has missed a bunch of practices. It is why he didn't play as much as he should have. This is just what I am being told. He doesn't have as many practices or snaps as someone like Paris Campbell is my point. He is more raw in that respect. Maybe I am wrong though.
Dave I’m a bit confused  
ryanmkeane : 3/21/2019 6:06 pm : link
you said a lot of WR coaches like Dixon better. That doesn’t seem to be accurate at all.
RE: Haskins  
Pan-handler : 3/21/2019 9:39 pm : link
In comment 14351862 nflscouting said:
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They liked what they saw, but boy oh boy, that sleeper WR keeps catching their attention, so much so, Johnny Dixon got a free meal to sit down & talk with NYG brass after the workout. NE has tabbed the kid Day 2 & I think a lot of WR coaches are liking him better than even Campbell based on the crowd in the film room yesterday. That is what I love about Pro Days - the try-hard types get noticed


Dixon is gonna get his number called at earlier than many expect.
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huygens20 : 3/22/2019 1:09 am : link
heres some info

https://twitter.com/PatrickClaybon/status/1108193830627692544?s=20

apparently he fell 7 times during the 3cone.


he looks like hes got great straightline speed but zero lateral agility.
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